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Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Red7778, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. vodkacolly

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    Saw a video of some fella getting rammed by a car yesterday at Citywest shopping centre. Not sure what the dispute was over or whether it was gang-related but along with the tourists getting robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight near the Guinness storehouse, it's just another example of what a kip Dublin is at times.
     
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    Those poor folks in the lorry were Chinese.

    It seems now that the driver may not have known and called the ambulance. Was wondering yesterday how the ambulance was called as there did not appear to be a incident or checkpoint to stop the lorry.
     
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    Truly shocking. Feel really sorry for people like this. Just looking for a better life and been taken advantage of
     
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    was reading earlier that he had only picked up the container around an hour previous.
    i work down at dublin port now and i see lads all the time coming along in their cabs and collecting containers, they just hook up to what they're told to collect, not sure if they're supposed to check the load, from what i've seen they don't anyway.
     
  5. GaryMc

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    They are meant to check the seal has not been broken and there is some paperwork usually inside the load. Seemingly when he went to check the paperwork, he found them and rang the ambulance.

    Terrible tragedy for him if he is innocent in it all.
     
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    He was described as a "close associate" of the husband of the owner of the truck, who is involved in the business. That doesn't necessarily mean anything but if the owners did have something to do with it, it is possible he was aware of it. They have to satisfy themselves before they can rule anything out anyway I guess.
     
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    This carry on with direct provision is a fucking joke. Latest one was trying to sneak 70 refugees into Achill.

    It's definitely a bit of NIMBY here once again but the government have to accept you can't dramatically change the population of a town over night. There are enough city's and large town's through out Ireland that should be housing these or else take the lead from the Special Olympic's and accomadate them in individual homes all over Ireland.
     
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    Just checked and the population of Achill is 2700. As I understand it hotels put themselves forward to act as direct provision centres. Theres a lot of problems with Direct Provision and I'd like to see it abolished with something better put in place for refugees but 70 people is not a dramatic change to the population. How many extra people do they have there during the summer months? I'm guessing thousands.
     
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    Two people aged 38 from Warrington arrested in relation to the lorry deaths
     
  10. bobby benitez

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    Achill Island is spilt into a load of tiny towns, the population of most of them will be less than 100, Keel has a population of 500. Increasing the population by 15% is daft.

    The hotel being used as direct provision also takes it off the market for tourists which directly impacts the income of a huge percentage of the population down there.

    My point isn't about Achill anyway, it's about the government trying to sneak large numbers of refugees into small towns almost over night. There is no plan to even deal to those in existing centres, if there was then getting small towns to be more accepting would be a million times easier. The lack of any kind of plan is the problem.
     
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    I'm 99.9% sure it wouldn't.
     
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    Direct provision is another system that is dreadfully managed while people wait up to 10 years for decisions while filing appeals that drag on for years, the legal system is probably doing quite well out of it I'm sure. The whole system is a sham, streamline the process, have these as very short term options and if the person is to be granted asylum then have it sorted in 12 months maximum and if they're not then leave them off. Freezing someones life in limbo for years and years in a hotel is inhumane. If they're being granted asylum then get it sorted and get them integrated into society where they can work and live in peace.

    Better if they could avoid creating ghettos too while they're relocating people, I've heard anecdotally that there's serious trouble in Balbriggan these days, could be a lot of scaremongering too in fairness but there's very little about it in the media so it's hard to know and the ones that are reporting on it are the ones that are living for issues with immigrants to spread their hate.
     
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    Jesus we are getting a kicking for everything lately!! I'd say you're wrong on that point ed, so not sure how you're sure.

    This is a problem, for once, that can be landed solely at the doorstep of the public service. As you say, either process the applications faster or, if you don't have the ability or resources to process them faster, allow people to work while they are waiting for the decision. You can't have it both ways, people's lives are being put on hold for years and at the same time they are easy targets for irish racists to say they are sponging off the state.
     
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    My point was about Achill Bob and a place that caters for thousands of visitors cant credibly claim not to have the services or infrastructure to handle 70 people. Also it's the hotel owner taking it off the market for tourists as he/she volunteered.
     
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    You're probably correct but if a town knew they were getting 8 families for 18 months then they would be more welcoming. But when the local hotel owner agrees a deal on the sly that essentially ends the hotel as a hotel then the reaction will be as predictable as it has been. Already today I read about 2 towns in Leitrim and Tipperary that have softened their initial stance from the original 100% no. That was come about through consultation.
     
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    Sure you're all probably too busy ambulance chasing and gouging us poor consumers pursuing fraudulent insurance claims that you'd never have the time for asylum seeker appeals! At least us accountants have always been a stauchly reliable pillar of society :rolleyes:
     
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    It's different catering for people that want to use your pubs and restaurants for 3 days at a time to having 70 people land on your door step full-time. The school population will double over night. The schools down there will have 1 or 2 teachers teaching 8 different age groups. An additional 30 kids thrown in will require a new school.

    The bottom line is Achill or Oughterard or similar places could house them, if we were taking in the quantity of refugees that Italy are for example then I would say they have as much an obligation as any other part of the country to do their bit. The fact is Ireland takes a disgracefully small amount, the numbers are so small that it isn't right to dump them on these communities and change their way of life over night when there would be hundreds of towns much more suitable.

    Finally the part about the hotel owner is irrelevant, he or she or they have made a business decision to guarantee them a pay out for the foreseeable.
     
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    That they wont be spending money in pubs or restaurants is not is not an imposition. Leaving aside the school place side of things which I dont understand as I cant for the life of me work out how 30 kids who will likely be spread through different age groups would require a new school.If an extra 3 or 4 kids per class is a problem then theres bigger problems in those schools already(I accept that might be my misunderstanding but I've always thought higher pupil numbers was a good thing in areas like that with traditionally low numbers) your argument seems to be that these 70 people will change the people of Achills way of life by not contributing enough financially to the local economy while also having animosity towards the hotel owner for making a decision that benefits him financially and which will probably benefit the local economy in other ways.I'm not arguing there isn't better places to put them because I dont know,but the negative impact these people are supposedly going to have on the area seems like a red herring to me.
     
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