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Scouting / Transfer committee

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Dubred, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. bobby benitez

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    Fair enough, I was under the impression it was in place in some form or another a long time before that.
     
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    The plan was for a DOF but Rodgers refused to work with one so they compromised on a committee.Sturridge and Coutinho were the first signings under that model.If we believe what we read though,apparently there was somebody at the club pushing for Sturridge in that window.
     
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    Assaidi was signed in the first window, judging by how often he played him its safe to assume Rodgers wasn't 100% in the loop on that one.
     
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    Forgot about him. Alberto, Aspas, Borini. My god there has been some truely dreadful signings that got nowhere near the first team on a regular basis.

    I suppose they were not draining the wage bill as much as the likes of Deggen, Jokanovic (Remember him), Vorinin, Cole and Aqualani.

    I know all clubs have flops, however LFC in last 10 years has been spectactular.
     
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    Jokanovic in fairness to him packed his bags as soon as he knew he wasn't wanted, didn't hang around stealing a wage like those other pricks.
     
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    I'll just leave this here!
     
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    Klopp, when asked if he has the final say on all transfer deals, said: “Yes. But does anybody have the final say? For example, say I wanted to take Zlatan Ibrahimovic and we have to pay £100m plus a big contract at 35 I think I would have to ask first.

    “Sometimes my staff and I have an idea about a player, then we collect information and then we have players our scouts bring in and we speak about it. If I don’t want a player to come here then he will not come. If a player I want doesn’t fit our budget then he will not come. It’s a normal situation.”

    I've said all along that is the situation, the same as Brendan had. If the manager wants a player that we can get then we will try get him, if like Balotelli a player is clearly unsuitable then the manager says no.
     
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    We wont go into Ballotelli again but I also believe Rodgers had to say yes before any player arrived.That on its own isn't even close to equating to control of transfers because I think its pretty much accepted at this point and has been for a long time that others could veto players he wanted and I think its very apparent that it led to horse trading ie. Rodgers yields to some of their choices that he's not 100% sold on so they'll yield to some of his they're not keen on or vice versa.We all have an idea of the players that Rodgers pushed for and the ones others on the committee pushed for and imo that type of situation is not conducive to a good success rate in the transfer market.If Klopp is working under the same model as Rodgers,which given nobody else from the committee has left seems likely,then it will have to run a lot more smoothly.Rodgers cant have any complaints on that score,because he knew what he was signing up for and the buck has to stop with the manager but I also hope we take steps to avoid situations that made everybodys job harder than it had to be.
     
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    It's about four minutes into the pre match interview for the Exeter game, see here for the full interview.
     
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    Which of these dopes decided it wasn't a good idea to sign Delli Alli. We've made some ridiculously stupid decisions transfer wise over the last couple of decades. This could be one of the worst. A Liverpool fan too. Very frustrating
     
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    From listening to Rodgers last week and plenty before and after Im guessing this was down to the money men because when you've a lad who's desperate to sign then you must have seriously lowballed him on the money side of things. I'll throw in a conspiracy theory though,I think theres more than enough evidence to suggest that Rodgers and others on the committee didn't see eye to eye on plenty of transfers.Also everybody else on the committee is still there.Is it possible that whoever deals with the money side of things(Ayre?)would deliberately act in a way that would make sure a signing that Rodgers wants and the rest of the committee doesn't, falls through? Nothing other than what I've said there to back that up by the way.
     
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    I honestly think it is just to simplistic to think everything Rodgers said last week was 100% correct. Yes, players should have been signed and in hindsight it is easy to say that it was a major cock up to let a very talented player slip through the fingers.

    There is only so many top talents that can be on the books of any club at the same time. It is not unrealistic to think that the club felt they had their own emerging talent about to come through. Yes, this one does look like the money men won, but no matter what impression that the manager had garnered from interviewing the player the same player's agent was likely offering him to other club's at that time. Spurs may not have felt they had enough emerging talent on their own books and took the chance of offering a very large attractive contract.

    All above could of course be total nonsense, but I am just putting it out there to say that there are always two sides to every story.
     
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    Agree with you there, we have won the race for tonnes of young talented players that disappeared. It's easy to say now we missed out on a proper one but you can't win them all. Man Utd, Arsenal etc all missed out too.
     
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    Rodgers said Karl Robinson brought Ali to him and they spoke for 2 hours in a hotel room and that Ali was an LFC fan who was extremely keen to sign.He also said that he thought it was more or less a done deal at that point and thats about it on the Ali situation.Which part of that do you reckon he wasn't being 100% honest about pal?
     
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    I did not say 'honest' I said 'correct', that is not me using semantics to alter my own or anybody else's viewpoint. 'More or less' is never a done deal. If Rodgers left a meeting thinking he had a done deal but had no contract signed then he and the club screwed up. Perhaps the contract was there on the table but the agent was not letting his client sign 'despite a keenness that the player may have had for signing.'

    It is easy to express an honest opinion based on an impression from dealing with a 3rd party. That impression may not be the correct judgement of the other persons intentions.
     
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    But he didn't say it was a done deal,he said he thought it was.Him being incorrect in that assumption is not him being incorrect in what he said.I'm sure he knew he was putting it out there that it was somebody elses fault that Ali didn't happen though but it was. There could be all sorts of reasons why the deal didn't get done but whatever they were it wouldn't make anything Rodgers said incorrect pal.
     
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    Alli only recently signed an improved deal at spurs. I think he was on 10k a week before that. Surely if our scouts had seen him and if they were good at their job with the technique he has it would have been a no brainer. Ah well, its a real shame
     
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    My edit wont work but that part where I say it was somebody elses fault it didn't happen should have "imo" after it.
     
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    I take it as a given, as I equally think you realise when I speculate I also have no ITK information. Nothing is simple when you follow the fortunes through good and bad a team you support with a passion.
     
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    Of course mate but given the context I just wanted to add that. Everything aside,what a goal that was he got today.
     

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