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The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Dub13, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. bobby benitez

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    I'm not offended, the ink on my American politics degree is barely dry. When I say his support isn't that big I mean below 10m. How many more votes has he got that Saddam Hussain or Mitch Romey wouldn't have? Once Fox dump him and the republican party cast him aside (both of which has begun already) then he will just have a few million nut cases he will abandon himself because he never gave 2 fucks about them. Twitter and Facebook will mute him too.

    That speech last night was the first step in keeping himself and his family out of jail. Raise the tensions and then cut a deal to go quietly.
     
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    Hope that last line is on the money but we are talking Trump here so I suspect not. Again, with regard to his followers, there was a huge movement of moderate republicans to vote democrat this time around because of Trump so to say that he got 3 million more votes with a significant defection to the democrats suggests that he has garnered a huge number of additional supporters since 2016. All the scum laying under rocks have come out. I think Trumpism is alive and very well in America and it is not going away regardless of the outcome of this election.
     
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    Trump is actually going to get around 7 million more votes than he got last time. 63 million in 2016,not far off pushing through 70 million now.
     
  4. SUPERFAN

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    They said on the radio earlier that trump got more votes 4 years ago than Obama got in either of his 2 election wins.
     
  5. Roll on 19

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    The total actual votes doesnt mean a thing in that beacon of democracy and fairness that is the United Stated of Trump.

    Trump got 63m votes in 2016, Hillary Clinton got 66m

    Biden has just under 70m this time around compared to Trumps 67m (as of Wednesday - havent seem running totals since)
     
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    I'm pretty sure that's not correct. Obama had the popular vote record up until this election.
     
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    Maybe it was this election, they said 69 million votes?
     
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    Yeah,he'll get more this time.
     
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    This has made my day.
     
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  10. Roll on 19

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    What happens if its a tie on the college electoral votes?

    Besides the obvious Trump declaring himself President for another 4 years as he wasnt beaten or voted out
     
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    Penalties :D
     
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    Just listened to 5 minutes of Sean Hannity in full flow and it's very easy to see how America is like it is. It's all bollocks but the way it's presented is obviously very convincing to who it's aimed at and when its backed up by twitter and Facebook you realise it's not just stupid people who can easily be taken in by it. Rupert Murdoch is responsible for so much of the worst of America, the UK and the world. If the standards of what news coverage has to meet doesn't improve,then we're in big trouble. Fox News won a libel case against them by arguing no reasonable viewer takes Tucker Carlson seriously. We've seen the damage misinformation has done with Trump,Brexit and covid and that's without considering what had been accepted as normal before all of that. No party has won power in the UK since the 70's without Murdochs backing. Every single publication he owned backed the Iraq war and there's a lot more outlets using those tactics now.

    The type of media that is extremely dangerous is expanding all the time,we have it in Ireland too. If we don't insist on stricter standards, deplatform those who aren't acting responsibly then we're fucked. Deplatforming works and its not a denial of free speech which is what people will say. You can say what you want but you don't have a right to a platform controlled by somebody else. The question I'd ask the "I'm uncomfortable with deplatforming,it has the opposite effect and we should listen to what everybody has to say" people is......How's that working out? We've been lucky in this country that the loons are still a tiny minority because it hasn't really been in the biggest media moguls interests to destabilise society,but with covid that's changing. Why? Because its bitten financially for big business and the impact lockdowns have on peoples mentality and finances,makes them ripe to accept disinformation based on things they really want to believe. A guy I listen to on English radio has a saying,its don't blamed the conned,blame those who have conned them. I still find that hard in a lot of cases,but I'm definitely becoming more sympathetic to it. Seeing people who've I've known for years go down these rabbit holes,who were never anything other than intelligent and reasonable before has made me more sympathetic. I know stricter controls on media can be a dodgy route to take,but the alternative is much worse at this point.
     
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    My brother has fallen down the covid rabbit hole. Like you said, intelligent and reasonable all his life and now he found himself with nothing but time on his hands and access to a world of information. Once they mention Bill Gates you know the direction its going. He also mentioned Belarus as one of only 2 countries in the world not involved in reshaping the planet to suit Bill and his mates. He has stopped putting shit in the WhatsApp group which in many ways is worrying because he's probably headed off to some place where he will mind agreement. This probably needs its own thread because the world is full of this now and I honestly have no idea how to pull him back from the cliff he's about to walk of.

    I should add that with the brexit party renaming itself the anti lockdown party and Trump basically being aligned to the covid nutters its makes the conversation a little easier. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence knows something is wrong when you're in agreement with those scumbags.
     
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    Things like this play right into the hands of those who want to spread conspiracy theories for their own ends,as does the British government in general. How do you convince somebody who believes its all a big pharma hoax that it's not,with things like this happening?

     
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    The US Congress decides in the event of a draw.
     
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    Pennsylvania project Biden win so that's that. 273 and hopefully after other tight state counts its the actual blue wave they talked about leaving the man child with nothing but his horse shit.

    I'll give the orange prick one thing, we've all been educated that little bit more on US politics whether we wanted to or not.
     
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    Nice to have some good news. Hasn't been much of it about this year.
     
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    Trump just got the full 2020 experience. He caught Covid, lost his job and is about to get evicted from his house.
     
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