A no deal Brexit back on the cards after. What appears to be a disappointing weekends discussions. Still a possibility of a last minute fudge deal.
Bit of common sense here is to get the kn0b heads in Westminster to act like grown ups for a short period of time, ask for the extension and build on the slight bit of headway made. Maybe then he/they ''get Brexit done'' and he gains the confidence of the United Kingdom and is elected by the people with a majority Government to run as Cummings and the billionaires see fit.
Johnson’s backers in the city need Brexit done by end of this year. Some new EU laws around offshore accounts coming into force next year would leave them exposed badly and seemingly that is one of the reasons Boris needs it done now rather than an extension.
Word coming out that Johnson is capitulating and the deal he's willing to take back to parliament is basically May's deal with the customs border going in the irish sea. If that is the case there will be no mystic meg points for anybody who predicted the DUP would eventually go under the bus as it's up there with the most obvious things in political history but it will be interesting to see how everybody spins it and whether it will get the votes in parliament. It's not what him or Cummings wants but the alternative is an extension forced by the Benn Act which would be a disaster for them electorally. The number one prize here for Johnson is simply to remain Prime Minister and theres nothing or nobody he wouldnt betray to ensure that happens. There will likely still have to be an extension but I'd imagine it will be spun as so that parliament gets to vote on this new better deal Boris has negotiated,just like he said he would.
Fair play to Johnson if he gets this across the line he'll have achieved something wonderful, we will no longer have to hear a word about Brexit anymore.
Just the 5 or 6 years of trade negotiations now and the constant bickering about who's to blame for all the job losses but he might be regretting sacking 21 MPs because the maths doesn't look good for him even if he could convince enough on the opposite benches to vote for a deal he called the biggest humiliation since Suez, and that was before it put a customs border between Northern Ireland and the mainland UK. But their parliament agreeing to a deal the EU agreed to give nearly 3 years ago would be perfectly in keeping with the spirit of Brexit. Since then...a billion to the DUP,billions more on preparation,exhorbitant amounts of capital leaving the country,hundreds of thousands of job losses including Teresa Mays,incalculable damage to the fabric of their society,the Tory party and the union almost certain to be broken up sooner rather than later(because if Northern Ireland are being allowed to remain in the customs union you can bet your bollocks Nicola Sturgeon is going to push for remain voting Scotland to be allowed to protect themselves economically) .... to arrive at a destination inferior to the place they started and all to solve internal division in the Tory party and latterly to get Johnson into power.
Over 3 years into this shambles and I still cannot believe the utter determination to commit such an act of national self-harm. No-one has given a shred of concrete benefit which they will get out of Brexit and no-one has forced them to. Absolutely incredible. Shafted by nostalgia for an empire whilst what's left of their country is fragmenting. The United Kingdom of England and Wales in 20 years time.
Once the DUP accept they're going under the bus then surely even they must realise that remaining is a million times better than what they're getting? It would be an easy sell too, the only way to stay fully aligned to her majesty is to keep the status quo.
I don't think there is a cheque big enough to make them sell their loyalisim. Some things have no price and thats one of them.
I think you give them far too much credit when it comes to any principle Bob. I'm not saying they'll row in behind Boris here but they've as much form for what politicians call "pragmatism" as any other party. They're not stupid enough not to know that the position they've taken on Brexit increases the chances of a United Ireland yet they've taken that road anyway. To me it seems obvious it's because of the political opportunities it afforded them in the short term and they were happy to ignore the long term implications of that. Ian Paisley was the same,he'd rather of died than accept the Good Friday Agreement until he saw politics moving on without him and his son has no problem taking personal bribes despite knowing it would damage unionist credibility with the potential to put Sinn Fein in a stronger position in the next Assembly. Whatever way they land on this I think it will be what they deem is in their best interests rather than the unions.
They're as bad if not worse than anyone but when it comes to the queen I do believe their soul has no price. I suspect they have decided on a tactic of agree to anything and renege on everything.
Looks likes a deal will be ready but DUP will reject. Sinn Fein should turn up and vote on it and back it. That would throw the cat among the pigeons. I see Boris needs to convince a few Lib Dem and Labour MPs, probably naive but why would Corbyn not back the deal and get it over the line?
It's an awful deal for the british people mate. They've removed the level playing field clause from May's deal which is probably what has the likes of Rees Mogg and the ERG on board because it gives the Tories free rein to decimate workers rights and there's no way Corbyn can vote for that and anyone in his party that does have no right to be in the Labour party.Sinn Fein would be committing electoral suicide by taking their seats in Westminster and it would be very wrong for them to do it because they were elected on an abstentionist policy and dont have a mandate to be there. The Lib Dem policy is to oppose any form of Brexit so theres no votes for Johnson there. If he has the numbers to pass it with the DUP on board then he'll get them on board but I doubt he has.
Haha,the Brexit Party are calling for an extension beyond October 31st. The Tory Party propagandists in BBC and ITV are claiming Johnson has done something miraculous by achieving a NI only backstop even though it was what the EU offered May initially and it was a major concession on their part to extend it to the whole UK after May ended up in hoc to the DUP. MP's who were castigated for voting for May's deal 3 times are now being castigated for not wanting Johnsons inferior deal. Just another day with Brexit
Plus from a purely political perspective, if the Conservatives pass it using labour votes they win a landslide election.
As much as I despise the DUP, there does seem to be very little thought from both the EU and the Tories about the issue of how a border in the Irish sea could have an impact on peace in NI. Its accepted from everybody with a brain or who isn't a scumbag that a hard border on land could see a return to violence so surely a border in the sea must carry some risk of that aswell? Obviously a border in the sea makes far more sense but still.