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Discussion in 'General LFC Discussion' started by Dub13, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. Dub13

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    So any thoughts on this system..?It looks like we will be using some forum of it in our transfer policy exactly how much we don't know yet.Here is a good article that explains it a bit better,I was surprised to read that Damien Comolli among others use a system like this Spurs were very foolish to let him go IMO.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...iples-such-as-Moneyball-and-Sabermetrics.html

     
  2. stamullenredmen

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    its got to be worth a shot really isnt it?if it minimises the dud transfers then its happy days all round
     
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    if it helps us get great players on the cheap im all for it;)
     
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    Read something about this before but thanks for posting that Dub13, very interesting read. Will be fasinating to see how it applies in football where there are far more variables than in baseball but with computer programmes I guess it's just a matter of coming up with a system once and applying it then, probably with different levels of importance placed on different skills for players in different positions.

    The other thing that intrigues me is, what level these players being assesed are playing at? I mean, is it possible to stand out at certain skills when playing in a league where the standard is lower and how do they apply these stats when comparing to players playing at a higher level of the game. One thing is for sure, fasinating times ahead.
     
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    The book Soccernomics is prefaced with a piece about Bill James and how his thinking revolutionised the game. Very interesting.
     
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    Sounds very interesting and worth a go,considering the amount of players we have signed over the years who have been terrible for one reason or another..

    I think this will have a impact on the youth teams too.
     
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    Yea interesting point about the skill set of lower leagues or foreign ones,this will be a crucial element and one you have to get right for this system to have any chance of working.
     
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    sounds like championship manager
     
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    It's definitley worth a try. It has to be better than paying overinflated prices for overrated players.
     
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    LOL...it does a bit,maybe they are waiting for the new game to come out next week before targeting new players.
     
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    Dont think you can apply logic like this towards football. Be interesting to see how it goes but I dont think there is any hard and fast rule that will allow you cut out dud transfers or not miss out on others.

    Basically, you can do whatever research you like, apply whatever formula you like, there is absolutely no guarantees transfers will work and there is no formula that can be applied to transfers of footballers, simply doesnt work like that. Either they are a good player who settles in and suits the country ad playing style or, quite simply they are not!

    Veron - fantastic footballer. Came to England in his prime and faile dmiserably, nobody could of seen or predicted that.

    Forlan - a highly thought of talent, came to england and should of had all the attributes to make him a success, failed miserably, went to spain and became one of the best around over there.

    Bergkamp - shit in italy, great in england.

    Its down to managers and how they use the player, e.g. compare Henry on the wing at Juve to as main striker at Arsenal.....no logic, or formula or anything of the sort can identify and alter these things and make things more likely a success or failure, it just doesnt work like that!
     
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    People seem to home in on the buying side of the equation but there is also the selling.
    Henry was mentioned in the previous post--he was sold at the right time.
    If you can sell someone and get another in who does the same job or better and costs less surely that is part of the process.
    Atm we have a few who maybe should be sold and I don't mean squad players.
     
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    If this system was to be implemented in full I think that would suggest we would be in for a directer of football type of roll and he would be in charge of buying players.
     
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    No harm in sticking your post in here aswell Rocco:

     
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    it works in baseball not in the nfl or nba.It wont work in soccer/football over here.Baseball has 200 game seasons that sabremetics describe a winning won as being over.500,that wont work here.

    And the Sox as a moneyball team is a myth:

    As I discussed previously, Theo Epstein has spent millions in free agency and in acquiring big contracts via trades. Looking at the players acquired they don’t exactly fit the mold of low-cost, low batting average hitters, that strictly excel at getting on base.

    Epstein does value traditional scouting as he documented in publications with Baseball America over the years. Yes, he does have Bill James on payroll as a consultant. However, Theo is not a Money Ball GM.

    The market dictates that if you spend money you are adding talent, plain and simple. The contracts of Dice-K, Lowell, Beckett, Victor Martinez, Jason Bay, J.D. Drew, Billy Wagner, Okajima, Youkillis, Pedroia, Lester; show these aren’t “low-cost productive players under team control†as Zduriencik favors a la Billy Beane.
     
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    Just noticed my previous post...prophetic

    People seem to home in on the buying side of the equation but there is also the selling.
    Henry was mentioned in the previous post--he was sold at the right time.
    If you can sell someone and get another in who does the same job or better and costs less surely that is part of the process.
    Atm we have a few who maybe should be sold and I don't mean squad players.
     
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    Look anything is worht a shot and as long as there willin to give Kenny the money to buy players.

    Sounds like the UTd philosophy only pay big money for players who are under 25.
     
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    As dissapointed as I am about spending £35m on Carroll. Selling Torres now was good buisness and theres always a possibility we could sell Andy in 4/5 years and make a profit on him. Time will tell.
     
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    Was just looking at that myself. Very perceptive
     
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    Thats the theory.
     

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