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Joel Matip

Discussion in 'Player Performances' started by GaryMc, Aug 20, 2016.

  1. GaryMc

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    no thread on this lad

    If he is any kind of player, he should play next week.

    5 goals conceded in 2 games is a joke.
     
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    Agreed . Play him against Burton and see how he gets on for match fitness .
     
  3. Irishkop96

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    Him in for klavan..see how we get on
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    Harsh on Klavan.I'm making these comments under the assumption none of us watched him much in Germany.He's been very solid preseason,played well last week and a poor game on a day when we left him badly exposed and almost everybody was shit sees a clamour for him to be replaced by a guy who I'm also assuming none of us have seen much of?I have a feeling that we've still a few dodgy days to come as a defensive unit.We dumped Moreno for last week,want to dump Klavan for this week,that's 2 changes before the 3rd league game.Let's say Matip has a poor game in that one,I'm assuming people will question his place in the side,which considering we're calling for Klavan to be dropped on the back of one bad game is a fair assumption.I can't help feeling that we need continuity to become a more solid unit and we'll have to put up with some bad individual performances in the mean time,it's unlikely we'll chop and change and eventually stumble into defensive solidity.If Matip is in Klopps mind,the man he sees as the best fit to partner Lovren,then fair enough.Put him in and give him the time he needs to settle but personally I'd rather see Klavan given the opportunity to make up for last week,his displays against Barca and Arsenal means he deserve that chance for me.
     
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    Hi Babbs,

    IMHO, whether Klavin deserves another chance or not is one thing, but whether he should play in the next game or not is something entirely different imho...

    We've a problem, we've let in 5 goals in the past two games and Klavin was one part of the defensive unit responsible. Ideally, I'd change more than just him, but you know the score on the LB position in terms of our options so to be honest, I'm tempted to give Milner a second game there before reverting to Moreno (or possibly even then trying Balotelli, the way things are looking for the LB role).

    I also want to see Can back in the starting eleven next game.. I'm struggling massively with Hendo as you probably know, but putting that aside for a moment I think Can in midfield can help support the back four on occassion. If need be, lets play Hendo and Can, drop Wjndlum next game also and see if we can get a clean sheet and thereafter, maybe even two....

    Matip was brought in long before Klavin so there's a reason for that and personally, I'm hoping its because he's better.
     
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    Our defensive problems are systemic and changing Klavan for Matip isn't going to solve those problems.The whole unit becoming more cohesive is what's going to change it.Continuity where possible is the sensible way to go when trying to find cohesiveness and I'd want to be pretty sure Matip is a better player before I'd advocate dropping Klavan for him because there's a good chance you take a step back when integrating a new player.Can on the other hand I'd put straight back in because I'm sure he's better than Henderson in that role and I'm sure Henderson is better than Wijnaldum in his role.I want Klopp to put our best players in their best positions (that includes playing Sturridge as a striker not where he played him yesterday)and if Matip is one of our best players,fine but most people shouting for that change have no idea if he is or not.
     
  8. Garrett

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    Hey,

    I've no idea for fact if Matip is better than Klavin or not for fact, but what I do know is we went after Matip long before Klavin and that tells me he was further up the list of options, if nothing else. My hunch is that Matip is the better player.

    Our current defensive arrangments ain't working so I'm all for change in an attempt to find a better combination - rather than put the same lads out again and just hope they make a better show of it next time around.

    You mention that our problems are systemic, so do you think we would be better with a different defensive set up (3 at the back for example) ? Personally I think if we are sticking with current arrangements then it's as much about getting the right players playing together, as getting the actual system we play to perfected - some will naturally be better than others and I'm ready to try alternatives to Klavin as a starting point.
     
  9. GaryMc

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    Wasn't listening to Today FM, however Brian Kerr was slating Klavan on Saturday. Said when he was in charge of Faroes, they scored three goals against Estonia and Klavan was very poor. See it is in Indo as well

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...l-defender-after-dismal-display-34981512.html
     
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    The head of the EstonianFA has already responded saying that Kerr was completely wrong! They only conceded 2 goals to the Faroes and Klaven didn't play at all in the match!
     
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    Not mentioned in the Indo article either. They are a tabloid though so I don't expect them to do any actual journalism like fact check and stuff. Thing is they would have had a better story if they did.
     
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    Faroe Islands v Estonia, 07 June 2011
    Score 2-0 to Faroe Islands
    Referee Antti Munukka
    Competition UEFA European Championship Group C
    Venue Svangaskard Stadium, Toftir
    Attendance 1,715
    View Faroe Islands v Estonia head to head

    2 [​IMG] Faroe Islands
    Manager: Brian Kerr

    0 [​IMG] Estonia
    Manager: Tarmo Ruutli

    Goals:
    Frodi Benjaminsen penalty 43 [​IMG]
    Arnbjorn Hansen
    47 [​IMG]
    Goals:
    Starting lineup:

    Goalkeeper Jakup Mikkelsen
    Defender Atli Danielsen
    Defender Hjalgrim Elttor
    Defender Atli Gregersen
    Defender Einar Hansen
    Defender Pol Johannus Justinussen
    Defender Jonas Thor Naes
    Midfielder Rogvi Baldvinsson
    Midfielder Frodi Benjaminsen (captain)
    Midfielder/Forward Arnbjorn Hansen
    Forward Christian Lamhauge Holst
    Starting lineup:
    Goalkeeper Sergei Pareiko
    Defender Enar Jaager
    Defender Dmitri Kruglov
    Defender Raio Piiroja (captain)
    Midfielder Sander Puri
    Midfielder Taavi Rahn
    Midfielder Konstantin Vassiljev
    Forward Jarmo Ahjupera
    Forward Tarmo Kink
    Forward Kaimar Saag
    Forward Sergei Zenjov
    Substitutions:
    Simun Samuelsen for Arnbjorn Hansen 69
    Christian Mouritsen for Christian Lamhauge Holst 85
    Suni Olsen for Hjalgrim Elttor 90
    Substitutions:
    Gert Kams for Jarmo Ahjupera 66
    Sergei Mosnikov for Kaimar Saag 82
    Cards:
    Pol Johannus Justinussen 75 Y
    Pol Johannus Justinussen 89 Y
    Pol Johannus Justinussen 89 R
    Cards:
    Sander Puri 42 Y
    Sergei Zenjov 46 Y
    Sander Puri 57 Y
    Sander Puri 57 R
    Sergei Pareiko 75 Y
    On the bench:
    Goalkeeper Rene Torgard
    Midfielder Bogi Lokin
    Midfielder Suni Olsen
    Midfielder Simun Samuelsen
    Forward Christian Mouritsen
    On the bench:
    Goalkeeper Artur Kotenko
    Defender Andrei Stepanov
    Midfielder Gert Kams
    Midfielder Sergei Mosnikov
    Midfielder Taijo Teniste
    Forward Andrei Sidorenkov
     
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    He wasn't even in the squad. See how easy that was Indo?
     
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    That's mad that he come out with some thing like that.
     
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    I know the oppostition was'nt great last nite but i was impressed by Joel last nite, for such a tall man he played with the style & composure of a much slighter man. He's ball playing espicelly out of defence was calm with rarely picking the wrong pass. Compare he's style to Sakho who is a similar height he looks alot easier on the nerves.
     
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    I seen a couple of things that would concern me. For a man of his stature he gets knock about very easily. He approaches challenges almost in a timid way.

    Hopefully it was just nerves but between last night and the few preseason games I seen I have seen enough to be worried.
     
  17. Garrett

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    When did Matip actually join the club - 1st July ?

    I appreciate that there was a deal done sometime before that, but I'm just thinking about how long he's actually been at the club... he doesn't seem to have been on the radar much, for a fella thats been with us a while (longer than most of our other summer signings, infact).
     
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    He got injured in a pre season game i think it was a back problem so had to be minded a bit coming back to game time. One thing i would say about him he badly needs a bit of muscle looks a bit miserable for the PL.
     
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    Exactly what I thought watching him lastnight.
     
  20. Garrett

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    I didn't think it was that serious, perhaps I misunderstood the severety of the injury.
     

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