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Transfer Rumours And Makey up stories (V2)

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Dub13, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. Garrett

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    How do you conclude that we are a "polar opposites" on this particular discussion, I don't ?

    - happy to acknowledge that we are from time to time, on other discussions though :)

    Yes, I recall something about that alright, but I still don't agree :)

    Not seeing them being signed is one thing, but thinking it's radical is something else tbf. I think are you are saying both, yes ?

    If that's the case, then I'll be disappointed. Sure, we might unearth a nugget and I'll concede that I've been wrong with regards to one or two signings in the past, but we need top talent if we want to get to the top. We can afford top talent (albeit in limited numbers), we've waited long enough for more top talent etc.

    Absolutely and that's great, as part of the overall strategy.

    Where did you both get the lack of ambition bit from exactly ?

    In a number of our previous transfer windows, we have showed lack of ambition and I'm sure that I've called it out at that time. How can any of us decide what ambition, or lack of ambition, is shown in the next transfer window until after it's occurred though ?
     
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    I've been consistent about how stupid I think the idea is our transfer strategy shows a lack of ambition for years now and that won't change no matter what happens in the next window because Jurgen Klopp not making the decisions I want him to on transfers will never equate to a lack of ambition.Only a fool thinks he wants to win any more than Klopp does and the way we've tried to do things since the owners initial directionless splurge with Commoli,has been about giving us the best chance of competing with clubs with more resources.Doing the same as those clubs but on a smaller level,would fit the lack of ambition description far better.Us not being in a position where our mistakes hurt us badly is a big part of getting to a place where we can compete with clubs with bigger resources,but sadly that's often being interpreted as penny pinching,even though the owners have never taken anything out of the club and have consistently released accounts showing losses or little or no profits(If they were penny pinching,they weren't very good at it).

    The reason I said anybody still peddling that line is a bit thick is because it's now clear what we've been trying to do all along.Theres been missteps and set backs but we've reached the point where we can compete for top talent (Klopp/Van Dijk) and are now in a position where we have an 11 that can compete with anybody on our day,and our success rate with transfers is as good as I've ever known it.None of that happened by accident and now sometimes the money we don't spend is as important as the money we do.Klopp didn't panic 2 summers ago when the right players weren't available to him and between that and still qualifying for the CL,it put him in the position to get the players he wanted last summer.Again he didn't compromise anymore than he wanted,and it meant waiting for Keita and Van Dijk but the players we did get made sure by the time each of them arrived or arrive,we again were/are in a great position and Klopp has the players he wanted.

    Transfer windows don't exist in a vacuum.The goal is to build the best team possible and as long as your performance in the meantime doesn't stop you becoming as strong a team as possible,then waiting is the correct thing to do.I accept you can't be indefinitely waiting to reach your potential but Klopp and the people making these decisions arent stupid,they can see the big picture,they're just more patient about how long it takes and while taking more risks throwing more money at certain players can bring success,the way they're doing it gives us more chance of sustained success because when we eventually have a season out of the CL,or a bad run with transfers,there will be no need for any upheaval.The club is brilliantly run and our transfer strategy is as ambitious as any club in the world because it's about giving us the best possible chance of winning.
     
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  3. redabbey

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    I refer you back to your own previous post which I replied to. On what I suggested we were polar opposites on, my own message without the context it refers to looks like something above that nobody could disagree with.

    Stats often present a good reference point.

    Premier League games where Coutinho started this season the average points per match was 1.5
    Since he has left the average is 2.46 per match.

    In January you thought the decision to sell Coutinho was good for the owners but bad for the football club.

    Now it is very obvious to me that the manager knows what he is doing. Of course the manager getting his No. 1 target and the club buying the most expensive defender have obviously helped but that in itself is still selling the manager's faith in his three most attacking players short.

    Again you can not argue with these stats and while the team have not yet closed out a top four finish or won any silverware you must acknowledge the good place the club is in compared to your own expectations for this season last August.

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    I’ve no worries who we sign , just look at the improvement in so many of our players under Klopp .

    Exciting times ahead.

    Do feel we need back up for front 3 as priority ( even 2 players) and a top draw no 6

    I’d guess Klopp already has his list ready though go
     
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  5. Garrett

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    Sure, first things first, the club have done better than I expected them to do this season, more so in the CL but with final PL places yet to be confirmed, possibly also in the PL to lesser extent.

    No more than you would ask me to accept the stats that you refer to (and I do, btw), you must also acknowledge that we've been lucky with lack of injuries to key players - primarily the attacking three. Had one of those three been out for a significant period, having Coutinho (or a suitable replacement player) would have been extremely important. The alternatives that we have at the club are of a lesser caliber for those positions.

    Furthermore, we cannot say how much better we might have done with Coutinho in the squad since Christmas, but it's reasonable to expect a quality player like him to have made a positive contribution. We got reasonably close to taking 2nd place in the PL this season, and I think as things turned out with the front three (which were better than I envisaged btw), then Coutinho (or a suitable alternative) might have made the difference. I'd make a similar case with regards to our decision not to buy a qualty CB at the start of the season (not in substitution for ever getting VD, but in addition, as I've said a number of times before).

    The sale of Coutinho to date, has proven good for the owners and this cannot be disputed when you see the impact on finances. It's argumentative as to whether it was good for the club (in terms of performance on the pitch) and I for one, will continue to see his sale without suitable replacement at the time, as a negative.
     
  6. redabbey

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    It is so easy @Garrett to use phrases like 'suitable replacement'. I was on record as saying that in my opinion that Coutinho was not going to be sold in January as it made no sense to me. The statement from the club on the Saturday evening that the transfer was announced was very telling to me in it's lack of words. Especially when the player was not thanked for his contribution during his time at Liverpool.

    Maybe we have got lucky with injuries or maybe the contribution of Andreas Kornmayer in his second season at the club has made a difference. A Klopp transfer from Bayern. Sometimes the off the field things can contribute massively to what is on the field.

    The managers ability to access his squad and make judgements about transfers has proven to be excellent. Who know's if he read forums and did what is suggested to him how different the outcome would be, but I for one have not been as happy to have a manager of his standing since the early days of Rafa Benitez.
     
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    Andreas mentioned by me in the above post. I love Rog's interviews they are always a bit off the wall.

     

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