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The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Dub13, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. Dub13

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    I have a link for Fire and Fury if anybody wants it, have not got started on it myself yet.
     
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    Did you see his self proclaiming tweets today? I am just going to sit back and enjoy this whole thing from here on in, the man is mentally unstable so I can't hold him responsible for his nonsense. Hopefully he only gets one term in there and doesn't cause too much damage in the next few years and maybe it will kill off the republican party completely.
     
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    Was at a few Weddings before Xmas. A few Americans at them. Everyone of them Pro Trump. Reckoned he has the economy boomin and putting manners on people who need to be put in their place. Got into a very heated debate with one about NFL protests. BTW these are Irish Americans and not Hill billy red necks.

    Also another Irish lad I know works over there and he reckons he is doing a great job and the media protrayal of him in Ireland is not reflected in America.
     
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    Absolutely amazed at that mate.

    The few I know in the US can't stand him and are embarrassed to have him called their president.

    There's a very visible divide based on what part of the US people are in, wonder if that's a factor ? .. the few people I know are all on, or near, the east coast.
     
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    Most based in New York and Boston :eek:
     
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    Amazed at that....

    By all means, I can see why he appeals on the basis of helping create more jobs, help US industry etc. but that's probably where it stops.

    Anyway, I suppose that politics will always divide if you let it... so we won't let it :)
     
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    Citizens I am d man !
     
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    Couple of thoughts on that point. If a person is that selfish/self centred that seeing an upturn in the economy (which is not necessarily brought about by Trump) is enough to disregard all the other horrible things that he brings with it, I am not going to have much respect for that person. And I think a lot of people who are bigoted or racist or white supremacist, either consciously or subconsciously, will find an excuse to say why they support him if they have to, be that the economy or whatever. If having this sub-normal mentally challenged weirdo is what people are willing to support in the name of a better economy, they sadden and disgust me. He drags everyone down. He represents all the worst traits of the american dream, stepping on other people's heads to keep your own overwater. And I am reasonably confident that they will give him a second term. There is no excuse for Trump.
     
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    Really interesting take on Wolfe/Trump from GQ...

    https://www.gq.com/story/michael-wol...e-trump-access

    I’m gonna begin this post with the same disclaimer that needs to come with every post about Michael Wolff, which is that Wolff is a fart-sniffer whose credibility is often suspect and who represents the absolute worst of New York media-cocktail-circuit inbreeding. But in a way, it’s fitting that our least reliable president could finally find himself undone at the hands of one of our least reliable journalists.

    All of Wolff’s excerpts from Fire & Fury so far (the book was rushed into stores today) read like jayvee fan fiction. They read like a pilot that Steve Bannon himself wrote, pitched to Hollywood, and had rejected 17 times over. They read, in short, like bullshit. And yet…Wolff has audio. He’s got hours upon hours of audio. Not only that, but the book has already caused legitimate upheaval in the administration, opened a permanent rift between President Trump and Bannon, AND it confirms what we have all always known to be true: that the president severely lacks the cognitive ability to do this job, and that he is surrounded at all times by a cadre of enablers, dunces, and outright thieves. As much as I wanna discredit Wolff, he got receipts and, more important, he used them. Wolff got it all. Wolff nailed them.

    And look how he did it. He did it by sleazily ingratiating himself with the White House, gaining access, hosting weird private dinners, and then taking full advantage of the administration's basic lack of knowledge about how reporting works. Some of the officials Wolff got on tape claim to be unaware that they were on the record. Wolff denies this, but he's very much up front in the book's intro about the fact that he was able to exploit the incredible "lack of experience" on display here. In other words, Wolff got his book by playing a bunch of naive dopes.

    Thank God for that. Wolff has spent this week thoroughly exploiting Trump and his minions the same way they've exploited the cluelessness of others. And he pulled it off because, at long last, there was a reporter out there willing to toss decorum aside and burn bridges the same way Trump does.

    Everyone around Donald Trump is too polite to Donald Trump. Democrats, foreign dignitaries, underlings… all of them. And the White House press is perhaps the worst offender. From the media pool playing along with Sarah Sanders during press conferences—conferences where Sanders openly lies and pisses on democracy—to access merchants like Maggie Haberman doling out Trump gossip like so many bread crumbs, too many reporters have been far too deferential to an administration that is brazenly racist, dysfunctional, and corrupt. And for what purpose? It’s clear to me that Haberman and the like aren’t saving up their chits for just the EXACT right time to bring this Administration down. No, the only end goal of their access is continued access, to preserve it indefinitely so that the copy spigot never gets shut off. They are abiding by traditional wink-wink understandings that have long existed between the government and the press covering it.

    But Wolff didn’t do that. He did not engage in some endless bullshit access tango. No, Wolff actually USED his access, and extended zero courtesy to Trump on the process, and it’s going to pay off for him not just from a book sales standpoint, but from a real journalistic impact. I am utterly sick to death of hearing anonymous reports about people inside the White House “concerned” about the madman currently in charge of everything. These people don’t deserve the courtesy of discretion. They don’t deserve to dictate the terms of coverage to people. They deserve to be torched.

    Trump ascended into power in part because he relied on other people being too nice. It’s fun to rampage through the china shop when the china shop owner is standing over there being like, “SIR, that is not how we do things here!” If Trump refuses to abide by the standard (and now useless) “norms” of the presidency—shit, if he doesn't even KNOW them—why should ANYONE in the press adhere to needless norms of their own? They shouldn’t, and it appears that Michael Wolff was one of the few people to instinctively grasp that, and I hope more White House insiders follow his lead. Sometimes you need a rat to catch a rat.


    The bit in bold is absolutely dead on.
     
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    That Trump book has been doing the round on Whatsapp the last few days started reading it this morning.

    If anyone is interested feel free to PM me.
     
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    You really wonder where this will all end.

    Apparently the ‘Shithole’ remark is not a slip of the toungue and something he wanted to get it out as it will appeal to his base!!!!

    The embassy in UK was planned to be moved before Obama became President.

    He really is either incredibly stupid or incredibly smart and it’s all part of his grand plan to Get re-elected.

    I was very tempted last year to put a bet on that he would not last a year, now I am tempted to bet that he gets another term.
     
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    The leader of a kip of a country calling other countries shitholes, comedy gold.
     
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    He's one thing, if nothing else, consistent.

    He can't be stupid, as no one makes a name for themselves without being cunning (I include David Beckham/Bertie Ahern in that too).

    I don't think he's clever though. He's narcissistic and self promoting. And without defaming the POTUS, has a tenancy to spread fake news.

    He's shown racist, sexist, islamaphobic behaviour and commentary. Imagine, doing that in your work place and the consequences of doing it.

    He's axis of evil territory, a detestable human being.
     
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    Gary I think you're way overestimating him to be honest, having read a bit of the Fire and Fury the overall impression that I get from him is that there is never a long term goal at all, he doesn't have the attention span for it, he just fires out whatever comes into his head at the moment it comes into his head and it could change a few moments later, it does stack up with his constant mood swings and major changes of opinion on huge issues. It's kind of embarrassing that the people who voted for him thought he was the second coming and he only ran for president out of some passing interest and never expected to get elected and hoped that he might get some extra publicity from the campaign.

    That being said his stupidity and complete lack of any accumen for the position is what got him elected in the first place and this kind of nonsense is exactly what his fans love him for. LIke you I'm starting to think that there's little to stop him getting elected again.
     
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    I’m not sure the Republican Party want him to run again. They probably see Pence as a better candidate for them so get Trump close to impeachment, get him to move aside and then put Pence up for re-election.....however, they’ve created the beast and have to deal with him.
     
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