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The general news thread

Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Red7778, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. edcarroll02

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    Horrific, crash with a truck and car involved. Met a guy a few days ago with no short term memory and constant headaches from a severe car crash, even people that survive can have terrible long term effects.
     
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    Taking back control is working out well,if having control is the same as being held hostage by 10 bigoted nut jobs. Arlene seems to be happy to have regulatory divergence from the rest of the UK when it comes to marriage equality or abortion. Teresa May is toast no matter what way she turns and if she had an ounce of backbone she'd call these jokers bluff as they're only hardening the EU's stance. Foster said it was the Irish government that stopped her from seeing the text and us that leaked the text. There's so many holes in that statement,you wouldn't know where to start. I miss the days when politicians at least cared if their lies seemed plausible or not.
     
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    Speaking of implausible lies I think we have a winner from Trump. He sends out a tweet admitting to obstruction of justice. Once everybody realises this,his attorney takes the blame for the tweet. So the defence is an attorney implicates his client in a criminal act by sending out a tweet on that clients account without his knowledge.Trump there forcing an attorney to confess to malpractice and its not even the worse thing he's done this week.
     
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    When planning Brexit you would have to ask what's the worst thing that could happen? Forget about the economy, reputation, growth etc, the worst possible outcome was always the likely hood of it going off in the North.

    Now we have a situation where the DUP have the Tories over a barrel. I have seen comments along the line of "call their bluff", anyone saying that just doesn't understand how fucked up them cunts are. They would take mass unemployment and a volcano going off in Belfast before they will accept any deal that views them as different to their idols in London. The text can't be negotiated, Ulster says no and that's it. The only options open are the whole of the UK remains aligned with the EU or they go for hard brexit with a physical border.

    Considering the humiliation and climb downs they have accepted so far how bad must the WTO option be? It must be catastrophic.

    Without doubt the most idiotic self harm a country has ever done to itself, and for what in return?
     
  5. Garrett

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    The best thing for the Conservatives, is to complete the Brexit process with some sort of positive result for the UK and the best way to get that, might be to work in harmony with Labour on some of the issues - if they did a "deal" to help vote through the Brexit stuff then the Torries could tell the DUP to shove it .... granted, there'd be an election needed as a result of all of that, but if the Conservatives managed to do a half reasonable deal then they'd get some level of public support in an election, without doing a decent deal, they must be fuked come the next election. Labour would have nothing to lose as they'd be seen as doing the right thing for the nation by freeing the Torries from the DUPs grasp, helping to get a Brexit deal over the line etc.
     
  6. babbsnads

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    The reason I'd say call their bluff is that there is no positive outcome for May,she's fucked no matter what she does.The DUP know this and unless they're total morons they'll also know there's no way Northern Ireland gets through this process without ending up with some sort of special status compared to the rest of the UK as no matter what is being said,the British government aren't going to completely destroy the UK's whole economy to appease a hard line party in a country that voted to remain.

    The DUP can collapse the government now risking putting Labour and a prime minister far more sympathetic to the Republican/nationalist agenda into power and diminish their own power and influence in UK politics for a long time to come, and yet still end up with the regulatory divergence they're so opposed to.When it comes down to it,Teresa May doesn't give two fucks about Northern Ireland and the risks for her are far greater if she can't get to phase 2 than if the government came down on the back of the DUP stopping it getting there.A few more months in power won't mean much when the consequences of turning an already extremely tough negotiating position into an impossible one kick in. May wont stick it up to them though because shes spineless and has lost all authority in her party.I think even the most fervent remainer couldn't have known how badly the process would be handled.
     
  7. Garrett

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    Agree with you on all of that Babbs, which is why I'm thinking May should go and do a deal with Labour ... I'm sure Leo could give her the template for a "confidence and supply agreement" to help her out.

    She'd actually show a bit of bottle if she told the DUP to stick it, having first struck a deal to ensure she continued on in power for a bit longer (albeit, at the mercy of Labour then, rather than the DUP, but at least she'd then be dealing with more rational people).

    May is banjo'd, so I can't see any possibility of a better option for her legacy and that of her government, than getting some sort of reasonable deal for Brexit. Anything else, just seems worse to me.
     
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    I see one of the killers of James Bulger is back in prison again on possession of child porn.

    He was the one that was deemed wouldn't reoffend, he was identified again on social media the other day.

    That case still gives me chills when I think about it.
     
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    Complete Capitulation - UK-EU joint report: "In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain F… https://t.co/tUbmfjYLfm

    I think the DUP saw what way the wind was blowing and have backed down for a change of the wording rather than a change in the deal. Anybody from the North will retain the right to remain an EU citizen and any EU citizen can move freely between the South and North of Ireland.
     
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    Haven't seen the detail on it yet Babbs, is it as close as we could have hoped it would go to Brexit being a mere technicality? I was hoping we'd end up in such a situation, politicians can say they did their job and they don't tank their economy into the ground for no good reason.
     
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    Might have missed something completely, but it appears if there is no deal then eh NI stay in single market/customs union and if NI do then UK do too. So eh yeah?

    And given the guarantees from May pretty much are contradictory not sure how going to swing anything but that.
     
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    That's what it looks like alright and I don't say this often but our politicians have done a good job on this one so far. This is what the coup that eventually takes May out will be on the back of though.Its pushing Britain towards a much softer Brexit and the hard brexiteers will blame her for capitulating.

    Find an O'Toole on the situation

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...e-madness-of-a-hard-brexit-1.3320096?mode=amp
     
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    I've a feeling when the details of this are really analysed and the specific wording sinks in that the hard line Brexiters are going to be fuming. They've basically conceded on everything and I think they're in a bit of a no mans land now. The North of Ireland is actually tying them to the EU, if the DUP were not in power we'd likely have had a much harder Brexit in truth with the North cut aside from the rest of the Union somehow but it's actually worked out perfectly for anyone who wished to see the status quo maintained as much as possible.
     
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    One thing that I have been wondering about....

    Will we end up with a damaged and quite possibly worse relationship with the UK, and / or parts of NI, following all of this ?

    The fact that we have been very much involved in the front line of negotiations is great in terms of trying to safe guard the Good Friday Agreement and improvements between North and South, but yet it's also put is in a position where there's been additional strain on the relationship with the DUP and possibly other Unionist elements up north, as a result. Likewise, I'm sure the pro-Brexit people in the UK are less than happy with the stance we've been taking.

    Hopefully it won't see long term damage done, but I'd expect whoever replaces May (assuming it's another conservative) won't be too happy with us.
     
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    Seen this on another site, which captures how mind boggingly stupid it is that the DUP wield such power in the region.

    As an example of how representative the DUP are of NIs population.

    The Ian Paisley founded free presbyterian church, the properly fundamentalist dinosaurs didn't exist, gays will burn in hell crowd make up 0.6% of NIs population. Over a third of the DUP party are members of this church.

    The Orange Order who will look to expel you if you even attend the funeral of a catholic let alone think about marrying one makes up 1.8% of the population of NI. Of the 10 DUP MPs in parliament 7 of them are members of the orange order, and the one female MP Emma Pengelly isnt allowed to be a member as shes a woman.

    This is who Theresa May is allowing to call the shots on Brexit. So hungry for power she does not give a fuck about Government impartiality in NI and now allows Arlene Foster who doesn't even have any role in Government to dictate everyones future.

    Easily the worst PM in living memory
     
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    Love the way they are so fucking stupid they completely focus on trade with the rest of the UK.

    Northern Ireland trades with the UK like Dublin trades with Cork.

    Some one needs to sit Arlene down and explain the concept of trade.
     
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    Just finished reading Mick Clifford's book on Maurice McCabe, absolutely scandalous what the tried to do to that man and his family and it went right to the top of AGS.
     

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