So you'd rather we keep saying goodbye to our best players, rather than actually acknowledge whats wrong at LFC and seek to have it fixed is my take from that, correct ? You talk about there being a lot more than winning to LFC and sure thats true, but much of it is become more and more historic at this stage... unless you care to correct me on a few things. Klopp clearly offers strong potential to strengthen the historic link between fans and club, but he's subject to the owners and we all know what their motivation is. Sorry I'm a little confussed by the last part of your post... ?
Of all the players signed by anyone this summer there is less than a handful I'd be envious off. Barcelona and Real Madrid didn't sign a player between them that will go into their first XI. Munich paid massive money for a kid. Juventus signed Higuain who I'd take but at that money surely even @Garrett is walking away from that. We all would've welcomed a fullback but even Chelsea and City with all their oil and average/past it fullbacks couldn't source one of them. In market where Pogba costs 100m you're best off staying out of it unless you can achieve certainty which is next to impossible.
Each to their own mate, it goes back in part to what we think we have and what we think we need... if we think we've got the greatest attacking line up in Europe for example, then we don't rate attacking players to the same extent as fans of a club who need more firepower etc. Do you think Barca or Real really needed to bring in many first team players, compared to say us - in other to do well in their domestic league or the CL ? ... I think thats a key difference when we look at whats gone on with some of the big European clubs. As for Higuain, I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think he's a top talent and would have been jumping up and down had we signed him. I was suggesting repeatidly that we sell both Benteke and Sturridge, throw a few bob on top of their combined sale fees to bring him (or similar) in. I'd imagine we would had to throw £15m-£20m on top of the combined sale prices and as for wages, we'd have saved on them when you consider the combined payroll for Sturridge and Benteke versus what we'd pay Higuain. In the current market and where I see it going for the next few years, the price didn't bother me as I seriously rate him. The market is here to stay and in fact, is on the up.... there's more cash in the sport now with more wealthy international investors getting involved, bigger tv. deals etc. Certainty is not available for anyone when paying for players... but buying top talent gives you a better chance of certainty, then buying in the bargain basement. I don't see Pogba as a 100m player btw (but thats just one player and I'm really mentioning this in cross reference to my view on Higuain above). The longer we elect to stay well clear of the current market, the further we fall behind the top clubs in Europe. We've seen LFC's deterioration on the pitch for many years now... how much longer do you want to tolerate it for as I for one have had more than enough of it. I'd have a very different view had the fans bought the club and genuinely not had the cash due to a completely different funding model etc, but it's not the case .. we're owned by a private enterprise generating significant wealth so it's only just fair that the fans get to enjoy the benefits on the pitch, while the owners get to enjoy the benefits on their personal wealth statements.
IM not ignoring anything of course I want us back were we belong but if players don't want to hang on , well let them leave . Last part of my post basically says a lot get more greedy for a bigger pay day than wanting to win trophies Do you think they would leave for less money just to win things ( exception is Suarez ) A normal working man leaving for higher pay is a world away from a premier league player .
Yes I do, because they are getting so much already, does it really matter if they are getting £200k pw or £225k pw ? ... once they are making "loads a money" then they want to be lifting up top prize silverwear, playing with the elite etc. as I see it. ... well with most players, there are obviously exceptions to everything. Obviously, thats an entirely different situation to a player getting say £70k pw and moving to get north of £100k pw because in their eyes, they are not yet earming "loads a money" and not yet anywhere near the top tier of the payscales, if you know what I mean (and yes, I appreciate that for the rest of us mere mortals, we'd be delighted to get another £30k per year, never mind per week !)
Garrett I think higuian is the first player you have mentioned all summer. You're mad for splashing the cash but you never put names forward, who did you want for left back? Who is the dominant midfielder you wanted? As for Barcelona and Madrid, if better players than the ones they had existed they would have been all over them.
Do a bit more research fella, I've put a few names out there long before this Not a massive list, but you'll find a few names I've suggested if you look. The point being there are lot less better players out there for Barca or Real, than there are when you look at our squad !
Haven't read any off the past posts but look we got rid off UNsuper Mario that's the best news ever and the 30 mil for big Ben I think it's the best squid for a while quality wise
How the players Liverpool sold by Jurgen Klopp have fared - including disappointments, Invincibles and 15-goal strikers The summer focus falls mainly on the incomings at Melwood, but the training ground should be fitted with a revolving door. As Jurgen Klopp manages his squad and looks to strengthen and enhance it, he will also keep its size at a manageable level with outgoings. Indeed, last season proved that. Part of the club’s positive net spend was due to the German boss selling some squad players, accepting they would be surplus in a campaign without European competition. Seven who featured under Klopp in 2015/16 moved elsewhere for fees, with a further three leaving on free transfers. It is unlikely similar will happen this summer, with only Alberto Moreno an obvious first-team squad member on borrowed time at the club. Questions persist over the likes of Daniel Sturridge, Lucas Leiva and Kevin Stewart, but widespread sales are not anticipated. Still, it leads to the question: just how well did Liverpool sell last summer? Here is a rundown of the 10 players and whether the moves worked out – for both the club and the player. Christian Benteke (Crystal Palace, £27.5million) What happened? Liverpool decided to part with the previous summer’s most expensive signing after the affable Belgian was found to be unsuited to Klopp’s style. Did it work out for Liverpool? They received nearly £30million for a player who would have been an option from the bench at best – but there is a lingering feeling he would have proven useful in the winter particularly. No player was breaking up the foursome of Philippe Coutinho, Adam Lallana, Sadio Mane and Roberto Firmino when fit, but Benteke would have provided a good alternative. Did it work out for Benteke? Though Palace struggled, changing manager half way through the season and only confirming safety in the penultimate game of the season, Benteke had a good season. Underrated, even, with his contributions in front of goal – his 15 goals represented his second-best league haul in English football. Jordon Ibe (Bournemouth, £15million) What happened? After his potential went unfulfilled, Liverpool opted to take a generous offer from Bournemouth for the young winger. Did it work out for Liverpool? There would be a temptation to say no, given the lack of width they suffered in the absence of Mane. But he had such a poor season on the South Coast, taking the money was certainly the more favourable choice. Did it work out for Ibe? Not really. He was expected to reignite his career under Eddie Howe, but the Cherries boss publicly called his record signing a “disappointment” following an FA Cup defeat to Millwall. He would start just 13 league games, two in 2017, scoring no goals. Joe Allen (Stoke, £12million) What happened? After a stunning Euro 2016 for Wales, there was a hope Liverpool would opt to retain the midfielder. But with chances limited, and with just a year left on his deal, he headed to Stoke. Did it work out for Liverpool? Allen was not of the sufficient quality to allow his contract to run down, so selling him was the right decision. That said, given Jordan Henderson and Lallana missed crucial parts of the season, his experience and ball retention would have been an asset. Did it work out for Allen? On a personal level, definitely. Given a more advanced role of heightened importance, he was one of the Potters’ best performers. He was an unlikely source of goals earlier in the campaign, scoring four by October, but ended the season with just a further two. Stoke, meanwhile, could only finish 13th. Martin Skrtel (Fenerbahce, £5million) What happened? One of the club’s most loyal servants, his time at Anfield came to an end under Klopp after some fairly poor performances. The writing was on the wall when he started just four games after a nightmare showing against Watford in December 2015. Did it work out for Liverpool? The defensive set-up was criticised by many throughout the season, but Skrtel would not have improved it. Good business from the Reds. Did it work out for Skrtel? In an easier league, Skrtel has thrived – and even scored an amazing solo goal in March against Konyaspor. He has started 30 league games in Turkey as his side look to finish third. Tiago Ilori (Reading, £3.5million) What happened? Ilori finally made his debut for Liverpool in January 2016, two-and-a-half years after signing for £7million. In January, having made just three appearances and with Championship side Reading bidding for him, the Reds decided to cash in. Did it work out for Liverpool? Definitely. The centre-back never looked like a first-team prospect in his three FA Cup outings for Klopp, and Liverpool were well-stocked in defence this season. He was nothing more than an Under-23s player by the end of his time on Merseyside. Did it work out for Ilori? He has struggled for minutes in Berkshire, making seven league appearances and starting just three. That said, he has recently come into the team, and played the 90 minutes in their play-off semi-final win over Fulham last week. Jaap Stam’s side could be promoted on Monday, and he could be heading to the Premier League. Luis Alberto (Lazio, £4million) What happened? His underwhelming debut season of 2013/14 proved to be his only one at Anfield, with the Spaniard spending time on loan with Malaga and Deportivo, before being snapped up this summer to play in Serie A. Did it work out for Liverpool? Undoubtedly. Alberto was never going to be an option for Klopp at Liverpool, so recouping some of what the Reds paid Sevilla was a bonus. Did it work out for Alberto? Lazio have done well and look set for a fourth-placed finish, but it has little to do with the 24-year-old. Just four league starts overall with one goal, and he might be heading elsewhere next season. Brad Smith (Bournemouth, £3million) What happened? The Australian left back made a breakthrough under Klopp in 2015/16, making nine league appearances, but the possibility of bringing in an eventual £6million for his services was too tempting to turn down. Did it work out for Liverpool? Would he have been a better option than Alberto Moreno this season? Klopp quickly relegated the Spaniard to the bench as James Milner became first-choice left back, but Smith would have realistically been behind both in the pecking order. Did it work out for Smith? Not really, making just three starts for the Cherries in the Premier League, and featuring for a total of 270 minutes. Mario Balotelli (Nice, free) What happened? After years of trying to offload him, and a short while on the US tour this season, the Reds finally managed it – on a free transfer – to French club Nice. Did it work out for Liverpool? Yes. He was out of their hair and off their wage bill. Did it work out for Balotelli? Yes. He scored 15 league goals for the first time in his career as Nice finished third. The Italian was also out of Liverpool, which he described as “the worst decision of my life” back in September. Joao Carlos Teixeira (Porto, free) What happened? Seen as a real prospect after signing from Sporting as a teenager, Teixeira’s contract would run down, allowing him to move back to Portugal with Porto. Did it work out for Liverpool? Despite the belief Teixeira was primed for greatness, he is now 24 and is nowhere of the level of Liverpool’s other forwards. He is no real loss. Did it work out for Teixeira? Eight appearances for Porto in the league – all as substitute and amounting to 72 minutes – suggests not. His career is at a crossroads. Kolo Toure (Celtic, free) What happened? Arguably Liverpool’s best player in his final game – the Europa League final against Sevilla – the Ivorian left Anfield a cult hero after the club decided not to renew his contract. He reunited with the man who brought him to Merseyside, Brendan Rodgers, at Celtic. Did it work out for Liverpool? His experience was missed at times, but he would not have featured much on the pitch. Centre-half is not a position the Reds have been light on this season, and he’s now 36. Did it work out for Toure? He didn’t feature much under Rodgers, making just nine appearances in the league. He did, however, predict his new club would go unbeaten all season – and Celtic did just that, romping to the Scottish Premiership after 34 wins and four draws. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ws/how-players-liverpool-sold-jurgen-13101377
Did not know where Alberto ended up. Can't believe he got such a high profile club. Does not suit Klopp style however Benteke would have been a good option off the bench however both his and Liverpool perspective, a player of his ability should not be on the bench week on week out. Fairly stung Bournemouth for a few quid.
IMHO, It will matter a lot more this summer on who we bring in, than who we try and ship out....sure, we've some players that will need to go, but with a number of competitions to play in next season we need to increase the size of the squad and it may be easier to do that by keeping much of what we have but bringing in better talent to improve it.... then leave the lesser players / youngsters to play the cup competitions while our first team focus on PL and CL. Moreno is one exception to that though - he's no help to us no matter how I look at him (attack or defensive).