We're at the point now where the anti vaxxers are dissapointed there's not a higher number of vaccinated people getting really sick or dying. It's a sad state of affairs when you rather people die than admit you're wrong. And the amount of stories now of those who refused to get the vaccine dying or getting really ill is scary. One of the managers from that Salford City documentary is the latest I've come across. Covid caused a lack of blood oxygen,and his kidneys started to fail. Hopefully he's avoided any long term damage. There's a lot of "serves him right" going around about him and others who refused to be vaccinated,but there's loads of otherwise very intelligent people getting sucked down that rabbit hole. I think in the right circumstances he could be any one of us so I can't go along with that sentiment. On the other hand I saw a video of a guy whose wife has stage 4 beast cancer,and had to be discharged from hospital early because people really sick with covid are overrunning the place. His attitude was if you don't trust science and the medical profession to protect you from covid, then you shouldn't expect them to save your arse when covid is killing you,so stay away from the hospital. Logically that can't be how healthcare works,but could you blame him for thinking like that?
6 fully vaccinated people in ICU since april is great news, but with such low figures i can't understand why they're pushing so hard for kids to be vaccinated. they're saying kids should get it to protect the old and vulnerable but if they're not ending up in iCU is it really necessary.
I don't have kids in that age category but if I did they wouldn't be getting it. I didn't want to take it but done my bit for the greater good. If this thing is still around in 6 years and we have some long term data I jab them myself but at this moment no chance. Unless a child is living with vulnerable person or is vulnerable themselves I can't see any reason why you let them take it.
Each to their own,but I'm treating this vaccine like all the others the HPRA reccomend for kids. Mine will be having it. It's gone through the same trials every othe vaccine has to,side effects of vaccines almost certainly occur within the first two months,whereas the long term effects of covid even in children is still somewhat up in the air. I could read a million different opinions but the fact is I'm not qualified to assess the risk. The people who are have assessed that there's a greater risk to kids from covid than there is from the vaccine,so I'm going to trust the experts here.
That's all well and good Mick but are you not going to do your own research on this as seems to be becoming very popular with all the intellects on Facebook. I've no idea what these people actually mean when they say do your own research, I really hope that muppet that I was in school with that barely made it through his leaving cert is off setting up his own specialist lab where he can start researching the Covid vaccines and using large sampling which is peer reviewed through various different clinical stages to ensure findings are validated and robustly tested before submitting to all of the various medical institutes around the world to have them review all of the previous stages of the work and their findings to ensure that everything is validated appropriately and safe for use. Yeah I'm sure that's exactly what they mean rather than finding some spurious findings on Facebook that validates their preconceived ideas that they're then going to continue to ram down people's throats with phrases like "wake up people", "sheeple" etc. thrown in just to hammer home how correct they are.
I'd be asking people to give up facebook and twitter as much as I would to take the vaccine. Not even sure which would do the greater good! Taking covid out of it for a minute, on a wider level with vaccines, that doctor who falsely linked vaccines to autism put medicine back several decades. Measles for example had almost been completely eradicated, now kids are dying of it again in "first world" countries because of their parents. So many diseases that we don't have to live with the risk of now because of vaccines that are going to creep back due to the number of people who won't vaccinate their kids. Anyone in the western world whose kid dies of measles or some other preventable illness because they refused to vaccinate them has their death on their hands.
We gave ours the choice, This was the response Right now we are unsure and would rather not take it. As the country is now in a different place and there is ample supply we can take it anytime. As we will not be traveling abroad and will still have to wear masks at school there is not much that it will do for us. We have being doing all our sports and stuff all summer and haven't got it or have had it and it didn't effect us. What is the chances now. I would be of the opinion that they have had it at some stage.
If my kids were that age I would get an Antibody test to see if they had recently and if they did, I wouldn’t get it for them. actually think that should be part of the HSE strategy for young kids. Get the antibody test and if it’s positive they don’t need it. Antibody tests about 75-100 depending on where you get it
Sure but that will only tell if that have Covid at that point in time. Antibody will tell back as far as 9 months and maybe more.
maybe just naivety on my part but i honestly thought the booster jab were a new jab that worked better on delta but on the radio this morning they said its just an extra shot of the existing vacc's.
Couple of threads getting derailed by the vaccine debate. Lots of misinformation out there about what is fact and what is not fact. One fact that is obvious to anyone with basic sense is that the countries where vaccine uptake is the highest, serious illness and deaths are away down due to Covid 19. Stats in Ireland since May show a massive correlation between unvaccinated people and Covid serious illness and deaths. The amount of people who had adverse affects from vaccine are tiny and it’s been around for a year almost. 2.73 BILLION people have Been fully vaccinated. There has been no greater vaccine test in history. I do see the point of view for people who had recently had Covid not getting it as it’s still not clear how long immunity lasts. There is though a large section of society worldwide who just don’t like being told what to do and are willing to put themselves and others at risk. Some of this is distrust of the government and big pharma and I get that. Others from what I can see are staunchly religious people and take their lead from what their chruch leaders say. Education of the facts is the key, not calling people flat earthers or head bangers, that will only make them less likely to avoid the facts. I think personally the Irish Government has done an excellent job on the education front and it’s really helped drive the uptake. Certain portions of America though for instance the leaders know their base is largely against it, so they are not pushing the education of it for fear of losing votes. It’s a very dangerous game they are playing
Yeah that would help plus break down the stats on hospital patients and deaths into vaccinated V unvaccinated and then into reinfection. They bring those stats out now and again however not sure why it’s not done on a daily basis.
Thats some figure. 67% of people in hospital not vaccinated, and only 10 per cent of the the whole population are unvaccinated.
I'd imagine Newcastle will use as many tricks in the book that City used to get by FFP as much as they possibly can. Obviously they'll gladly take any fine that comes their way so maybe a points deduction route along with fine should be the way to go to stop the breaches.