never owned a car before but i'm taking lessons at the moment through work and was flirting with the idea of getting a little motor, something old and not too expensive. I was messing around with one of those online insurance quote thingys last week and for a 2007 yaris on a learner permit I was being quoted 4,500 euro, that's fcukin outrageous. don't have the first clue about it but is it really that expensive, is there anything that can be done to reduce the cost? I was told if it was a more up to date car the insurance would cost less, would that be the case? there's not a fcukin hope i'm paying that kind of money, don't need to drive that badly.