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Discussion in 'Current Affairs' started by Dub13, Apr 11, 2016.
Mays vote unsurprisingly fails for the third time and Labour still playing politics calling for a general election when a second referendum is what is needed at this point.
Dominic Raab was the Brexit minister who negotiated May's deal and then resigned in protest against it because "it was worse than staying in the EU",rhetoric he was sticking to right up until yesterday.Today he voted for the deal because he was afraid of remaining in the EU. Rees Mogg after saying that it made slaves of the British people before deciding voting for it was the right thing to do, was still adamant up until last night that he would only vote for the withdrawal agreement if the DUP did because they are defenders of the union. He voted for it today even though the DUP didn't. If nothing else I'm enjoying seeing these fuckers squirm as they try to explain their actions because it's one thing making no sense when you have people on your side who want to believe your nonsense,another thing when you've alienated those on all sides and now everybody thinks you're a cunt.
I'm not following Brexit that closely, but I expect a second referendum to happen, and the UK to stay in Europe.
Judging by the politicians views on her deal last weekend, and the French President stating he gives a "1 in 20 chance of May's vote being passed", means they either have a second referendum, or get fcuked out of Europe with no deal. And they don't want that.
The current analysis is that Brexit but staying in customs union is most probable outcome. But given even cabinet members quoted as saying “fuck knows” when asked what is Going to happen next proves how incompetent the MPs are.
Wonder if the British political establishment have learned their lesson with the DUP? They're bent enough to happily take your money but you're not actually buying anything because they can't be bought,they're fuckin whackjobs who'll do what they want. There is no country on the planet that will ever be handed the type of economic opportunities that May's deal offers Northern Ireland,its a mortal sin that politicians who support Brexit and claim to represent the people up there would deny them those opportunities. The only way to get them onside is deny them influence,like happened with the Good Friday Agreement where they suddenly decided they could get on board once they saw everyone was moving on without them. It's the stick they need,not the carrot and in hindsight May would have been better off threatening them with backing concessions for Sinn Fein in the north rather than bribing them. Im not criticising May for not thinking along those lines,it would of been seen as a crazy tactic at the time but leaving herself at their mercy was dumb as fuck and that's leaving the morals of it aside.
I reckon that's what most pro-Euro people and particularly in Ireland would like to see happen, but given all we've seen from the bunch of gobshites in the British Government to date, you'd imagine that's the last thing they'll facilitate, even if it makes perfect sense.
It probably wont make a blind bit of difference but it was nice to watch Farage being embarrassed on TV a couple of times in the last week simply by having his own words and actions pointed out to him.
Farage- The EU is completely undemocratic and we need to defeat the elites.
C4 reporter- Is it true Arron Banks is paying for your travel by private jet,13 grand a week rent on your home in Chelsea and 5 grand a week for your driver and minders,and wouldn't that make you an elite?
Farage- Theres a democratic EU election next week,let's talk about that.
Also Farage who has a season ticket on the BBC because he's never challenged on these things- People are sick of career politicians.
Andrew Marr- Wouldn't the 20 years you spent as an MEP,your 7 failed campaigns to become an MP and the new party you formed and will be leading into future elections make you a career politician?
Farage-What has happened to the BBC?
One of his lackeys called a female producer a cunt after that interview.
Populist politicians don't really have to worry about things like that. Their fans just see that as an attack by the BBC on someone willing to "tell it as it is".
The world feels very different today and less secure than it did 5 years ago.
The idea that we shouldn't de-platform these people and instead listen to them and defeat their arguments has lost. Until the MSM raises the bar on who gets a platform above viewing figures and clicks it wont get any better. For many the argument has actually now become "we need to give them what they want to stop them" which is fucking stupid. People will say Farage is the leader of a party polling at 20% so it's only right he gets the coverage he does while ignoring he got to that position by getting hugely disproportionate coverage compared to his status for years,and was very rarely properly challenged during that time. Publicity is these fuckers oxygen and theres nowhere near enough of it to sustain them in their echo chambers,they need the mainstream. You'll get the arguments about censorship and free speech but setting higher standards for a national or international platform is not censorship,if you can clear the bar you'll get your platform and free speech doesn't entitle anybody to a platform or an audience.
Going to be an interesting few weeks with May going.
Must admit, while I wasn't overly impressed by May as a Prime Minister, she did seem to be genuine in trying to do a good job.
I just pray that her replacement isn't that ejit Boris.
Bye election in Peterborough yesterday. A constituency where 61% voted leave and Farages party were expected to take the seat but the Labour candidate won it running on an anti crime message. Reason for the bye election? The Labour MP who held the seat went to prison
YouGov Poll of the Conservative and UNIONIST party members(Full name of the Tory party) They were asked would they rather Brexit took place even if this scenario was a result of it
Scotland leaves the Union
Northern Ireland leaves the Union
Significant damage to the UK economy
Conservative party is destroyed
Jeremy Corbyn becomes prime minister
Read that the other day. They'd see the country on fire before a labour government.
Nothing really matters anymore to be honest. Trump proved it, Farage et. al. confirmed it and now Boris is benefiting massively from it. There are no downsides to lying through your teeth in the most open ways imaginable anymore, people simply don't care. Whatever has happened to society they now feel that having some moron that's willing to talk "openly" regardless of whether they're telling the truth or lying is the most important thing. I used to feel safe in the knowledge that the majority would outweigh the minority of idiots on matters like this but it turns out that the majority are now the other side, dangerous times we live it.
These morons are nothing but puppets on a string. Dangerous morons with no morals. It's who's pulling the strings of western world politics that frightens me.
Makes a mockery of everything they've ever claimed to stand for,both with Brexit and in general. It even destroys the respecting democracy argument. "Brexit must be delivered because democracy is the most important thing" (but not if it means Corbyn can win a democratic election)
Theyll talk about this shambles for centuries. Unless climate change doesn't kill us off.
The more time passes, the more stark the true extent of how 9/11 changed the world becomes. A real watershed moment in history. Biggest moment since the Berlin wall came down in 1989. The world has been wildly unstable financially, politically and socially ever since. It has shaped the direction the world has gone in since. "War on terror", xenophobia, rise of right wing politics and nationalism, fake news and lies blurring with truth "alternative facts". Down the rabbit hole.
I'll say this though, nothing excuses people voting for this chump and trump and the like. Nothing. I personally won't accept it. He's a fucking fool and people who back him are fools will get what they deserve. And we will get it with them. Sickening.