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Andy Robertson

Discussion in 'Player Performances' started by LFCRebel, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. babbsnads

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    You're not missing anything with any of those guys I mentioned although Syed has gotten a fair bit of prominence this week for being disgusting in a national broadsheet,but its just a small sample of what punditry and football writing has become and its something I have a big interest in.Savage doesnt annoy me as such because he's just an idiot whose spent his life making the most out of extremely limited talent but Collymore does because I cant stand people with no integrity.

    I've never come across anybody that likes Lawrenson and spreading rumours about a man and his family is disgraceful.
     
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    What an absolute c*nt of a thing to do.
     
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    Defender Andrew Robertson frustrated by start to his Liverpool career

    Liverpool defender Andrew Robertson said he had spoken to Jurgen Klopp about his lack of game time and been told he remains part of the manager's first-team plans.

    Robertson has made just three appearances since signing from Hull City in the summer, but the 23-year-old said he felt he could force his way back into the starting XI if he took Klopp's advice.

    "Of course it's difficult. I don't make any secret of it, I hate not playing," Scotland international Robertson said.

    "It's been a very frustrating three months for me, but I spoke to the manager as I felt as if the settling-in period was over and thought I was ready to play.

    "I felt I did myself justice in the games I did play, so I had a good chat with him. He gave me a few points to work on, so that's kept me going.

    "I know I'm still in his plans and, if I work on the things he's asked me to, hopefully I'll be in the first team or closer to it."

    Robertson played in Scotland's friendly defeat to Netherlands last week and said: "I was delighted to get 90 minutes. I was a bit rusty and it maybe caught up with me in the last 20 minutes.

    "How do I cope with this? That's a hard one. Maybe I can't answer that right now as I've not cracked it yet.

    "I've not been used to it. In the past five years my rise has been good. If I can keep doing what I'm doing then I hope my chance will come."

    Since arriving at Liverpool, Robertson and his partner have celebrated the birth of their first child, and he said: "It's like anyone -- if things aren't going well at work and you go home and see your missus and kid, it cheers you up straight away.

    "I thank them, they keep me going and that's why I go to training every day with a smile on my face."

    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/live...n-frustrated-by-start-to-his-liverpool-career
     
  4. edcarroll02

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    Sounds like a confident young man and I'm sure he'll get chances if he keeps working hard. I think Klopp himself may have been surprised in the change in Moreno this season and Robertson is unfortunately going to have to bide his time but he doesn't sound like he's going to be happy to sit around at Liverpool for too long if he's not getting any minutes. I wouldn't hold it against him if he came in on an understanding that he would be getting plenty of first team football.
     
  5. Garrett

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    I obviously don't know what he was told, but looking at the situation from the outside he must have thought: Moreno's been sh1t and looks like he's up for sale (a price tag of £15m was doing the rounds at the time, lets not forget), that then leaves Milner and himself competing for the role. On that basis alone, you'd imagine he expected regular game time for a club going into 4 competitions this season. Then there's also the possibility that he'd been made aware that Milner wanted a return to midfield, so that may have left him thinking that 1st choice was his for the taking.

    If the story is true about his kind, then I hope things are on the mend for child and family, but otherwise he's still gonna have to work hard to show me he's what we really need for our new improved LB.
     
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    I can only think Klopp doesn't think he's up to speed yet. If he was he would get game time, evey position in the team bar Matip and Salah have been rotated at some stage, if he was ready Moreno would be getting a rest too.
     
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    Garrett I know you wrote him off long before he'd even signed on the dotted line for us but thankfully you're not the one that he needs to show because when you're so dead set against someone it's impossible for them to ever prove themselves capable.

    I reckon he's got a lot to learn in terms of adapting to Klopps system, there's little transferable tactical knowledge coming from a setup like Hull so it was the raw materials we were after, the other side of the game will take a lot longer. Klopp is constantly talking about TAA's weaknesses in defence and that's a guy that has come through an academy with Klopp's team in charge.
     
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    Just seeing this now. What a prick of a man.
    The day he held the s*n using the headline for some shit joke live on the BBC was the last straw for me. A bigger asshole you will never come across.
     
  9. Garrett

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    That's logical alright, but it seems to be taking a hell of a long time to get him up to speed and I'd have thought that competitive game time would be a part of that tbf.

    Ed,

    I made it very clear that I was unconvinced about bringing in a player who had come from regular defensive duties at Hull, a team that was relegated having conceded something like 60 PL goals, hardly like I just picked on the bloke for no reason.

    I think I also pointed out that if he was being kept out of the first team by Moreno, it said little about his defensive ability or words to that effect. Despite requests posted elsewhere, I've yet to see anyone explain how Moreno has really improved defensively this season, so the initial comment I made in respect to Robertson's defensive ability stands.

    Did I say I'd written him off, or did I say I'd need a hell of a lot of convincing (which are two different things), you might please quote where your getting your comment about what I did or didn't say... In honesty, I don't recall which I said, but I think you should be backing up what you say about me here to ensure you've got your facts right and are not accusing me in the wrong :)

    Similar point to Bobby's really.....
     
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    Positioning,decision making,composure,winning more tackles.I'd also say use of the ball in defensive areas is much improved but that could easily come under composure and decision making.
     
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    Let's not split hairs on this Garrett, I don't remember the exact terminology you used but it's the same point you're making above, he was up against it before he'd played a game in your eyes as he was from Hull.

    As far Moreno, Babbs has summed it up very nicely though I think a bit of maturity in his game has made a huge difference too.

    Anyway the longer he's out of the team the better as far as I'm concerned as it means Moreno is performing well and ultimately all I care about is whoever is best for the team and that seems to be Alberto right now. Robertson may well have originally been intended to play a lot more but I feel that perhaps even Klopp has been surprised by the upturn in Moreno's performances this season.
     
  12. Garrett

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    Ed, I'm not looking to split hairs either but I don't want to be accused of something I've not said and it's not the first time this has happened between us so I'd appreciate it if you'd take a little more care in the future, otherwise I'll end up developing a persecution complex ;) :)

    I don't see it quite as positive as Babbs seems to, but credit where it's due Babbs has been flying the flag for Moreno higher than most others here for a while now. Perhaps Babbs is ahead of the pack on the Moreno issue and as time goes on, more of us will realise how good he's become... but I'm going to need to see better defensive stuff from Moreno on a regular basis, before I'll be happy with him for the LB role. The Moreno thread remains light on compliments for the player in fairness, so may be more appropriate to continue this on the players thread.

    That, or he's just come to the conclusion that we can't put a decent defensive set up together from the current group of players, so he's focusing on the attacking side of the game.

    Even if we take the most positive scenario regarding Moreno, I think Bobby's point above holds a lot of water, Klopp has been resting plenty of other players (even our keeper who must have been exhausted from standing between the sticks !), so it's odd that he's not rested Moreno and given Robertson a bit of game time.
     
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    Think he is going to struggle for game time with Moreno’s form and moreno seems the type that won’t need much rest .
    Plus Klopp wanting more versatility on the bench
     
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    Not being first choice is one thing ... not getting any game time is something else.

    There's lot of competition for midfield places and yet Ox has had more game time, despite not being first choice for his position.
     
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    Not a comparison that works imo.Most of the time its hard to justify putting an out and out LB on the bench.Barring an injury its very rare Klopp will look to replace a LB during the game and Milner and Gomez can both play there as well as a couple of other positions.Chamberlain is not just an attacking player (attacking players are much more likely to be used as substitutes than out and out defenders)but he's also versatile.At the same time I think Robertson has more starts than AOC and is one injury away from going into the first 11 whereas we've been missing a few players in attacking positions and Chamberlain has still been sub.Circumstances have probably played a bigger part in the difference in opportunities for the two players than anything else.Evidence this season suggests that our LB will be either Moreno or Robertson and the one without the shirt will see little or no game time.It was exactly the same situation last season in that position only it was Moreno who didn't get a sniff.
     
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    To be honest Babbs,

    You've given me something to think about there, in respect of the point about Klopp being unlikely to put an out an out LB on the bench. It's certainly valid, that if he can only have a limited number of subs, then he's more likely to opt for versatility over specialist, as he looks to cover various scenarios from the bench.

    But it does then raise the question as to why bother signing a specialist LB, if we already had one and then had a couple of players who can play that role, alongside other positions ?

    It doesn't explain to me how he's not getting any game time through rotation though. As I've said above, even poor old Migs got tired and needed a rest a while back. Moreno appears to have incredible energy, so he may not get tired as quickly as some other players, but it still goes against the grain not to rest him occasionally. It also implies that Moreno is considered significantly better than Robertson to me, because otherwise why not let both have some game time ?

    Getting back to Ox briefly, I do think he's had more time on the pitch than Robertson, but am open to correction on this as I've not actually checked, it's just a feeling.
     
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    Im sure he's had more time on the pitch than Robertson mate,its starts I think Robertson has had more of (Im open to correction on that too though).

    I dont know about Moreno being considered much better than Robertson but more that he's considered a better option at the moment in terms of picking our best 11 for each game.Klopp won't rotate for the sake of rotating,his selection will be based on merit,competition priority and who needs a rest and Moreno has not played in 3 or 4 games,had a rest during the first international break and didn't play in the last one,plus he seems like a player with huge stamina. Mingolet getting a rest for a league game was weird but we've no idea what went on in training or behind the scenes that week.

    We bought a specialist left back because we need more than one specialist left back.Milner is a midfielder now and Gomez is earmarked for CB and while its fine to have them for that role when needed at short notice,ideally you don't want to limit your options if Moreno is injured or out of form. Moreno has a huge advantage over Robertson because he's been working with our system since Klopp arrived but Robertson will be learning everyday and his chance will come eventually.He and Klopp probably expected there would be more learning on the job but Moreno has stepped it up.
     
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    Just parking everything else for a moment....

    Do you really believe that Robertson needs that much time to "learn" Klopps' system before he can be permitted on the pitch ?

    Sure, he won't be 100% in tune with Klopp's methods initially, but very few players are entirely in tune with a new manager's system when they first join ... that didn't prevent them from getting game time soon after they arrived.

    Lets not forget, it's now the second half of November ....

    If Moreno was world class then sure, I could see why he might keep a player out of the squad, but he's not. The bit about resting Migs was odd alright, but if we are asked to believe Klopp's explanation for it then he needed a rest. Klopp has also lead us to believe that there'd be more rotation this year and in some positions yes there has been, but then we've the LB position where there's no rotation.

    I wasn't convinced that Robertson was the answer to our prayers and I'd concerns about signing a defender coming from Hull etc. but that said, I also don't believe that Moreno is good enough, to not justify giving Robertson a bit of game time, now that we've bought him.

    Coming into this season, Moreno could have been sold with talk of £15m being the price tag. So, we go buy another LB during the summer, potentially waving goodbye to Moreno in the same window. Had that happened, Robertson wouldn't be getting this extended grace period to learn Klopps system. Also, why would we not have bought a player better than Moreno, if we are looking to upgrade the team and considering moving Moreno on ? If Robertson was deemed an upgrade, or even just of equal ability to Moreno and is a specialist LB, then surely he's good enough to get a bit of game time now ?

    The situation just doesn't add up for me to be honest.
     
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    You're over analysing in my opinion. Moreno is playing well and looks like he could run all day every day so doesn't need much resting.
    I'm sure we'll see plenty of Robertson over the xmas games and in the New year.
     
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    It seems a perfectly simple situation to me pal and Robertson will eventually get plenty of chances to prove himself a Liverpool player.Where my logic seems to be falling down for you comes down to the job Moreno is doing at the moment.Thats a different debate and probably a bit pointless at this stage.
     

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