Middlesbrough v Liverpool

[D-Red]

From the Bernabéu to the Riverside.....

Lets go get another win!!



By the way, Torres unlikely to start (as you probably all guessed):

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_4975477,00.html

[Daz]

We've a terrible record at the Riverside. Time to put that right with or without Torres. Stevie should be back after his cameo last night

[padski08]

We need to follow up the win last night with 3 points in league. We have chance to cut the lead at top to 1 point by next Tuesday

As Jack Charlton says we got to "Put em under pressure"

[Fowler's God]

If we don't win these next two games its hard to see how we are going to catch the other crowd. Win against Boro and the Mackems would set up us nicely going to OT.

[carpe diem]

tricky little game this,record isnt great there as stated above,but boro havent been lighting fires in the premiership lately so we have every chance,in saying that no one likes to travel to a club in the bottom 3 this stage of the season,i tentatively predict an away win :)

[padski08]

Records are there to be broken.
I predict a scrapy 2-0 away win. Middlesborough in bottom 3 for reason. They have not won in last 5 home games either

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

From one of Europes great pantheons to another within only 3-4 days;)

How typical is it though that boro go 9 games without a win and then hit a bit of form just before theyre due to play us.

Heart says 2-0 but head says 1-1:(

Alot more apprehensive about this one than I was about beating Madrid at the Bernabeu.

[edcarroll02]

On paper its a no contest game but unfortunately the form suggests 0-0 or 1-1. I'm guessing we'll be playing to try and cancel out the mighty boro and nick something on the counter.

I know it wouldn't be everyones cup of tea but i'd love to see a standard 4-3--1-1 with Benni in the hole and Gerrard playing with Alonso in the middle.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

On paper its a no contest game but unfortunately the form suggests 0-0 or 1-1. I'm guessing we'll be playing to try and cancel out the mighty boro and nick something on the counter.

I know it wouldn't be everyones cup of tea but i'd love to see a standard 4-3--1-1 with Benni in the hole and Gerrard playing with Alonso in the middle.

I dunno bud-I'm more inclined to start with the traditional 11 men a side;):D

[padski08]

On paper its a no contest game but unfortunately the form suggests 0-0 or 1-1. I'm guessing we'll be playing to try and cancel out the mighty boro and nick something on the counter.

I know it wouldn't be everyones cup of tea but i'd love to see a standard 4-3--1-1 with Benni in the hole and Gerrard playing with Alonso in the middle.

I dunno bud-I'm more inclined to start with the traditional 11 men a side;):D

Did you not know MutantNinjaSkrtel that after last night, Benitez is so confident about winning on Saturday, he is too rest 2 extra players :eek:

9 men should be more than enough :D

[edcarroll02]

I dunno bud-I'm more inclined to start with the traditional 11 men a side;):D

Ah righto, perhaps we'll try your way so. :rolleyes:

Well what i meant was our usual set up with Gerrard playing instead of Masch in the middle and Benni playing in the hole behind Torres.

[IrishRed1892]

Ah righto, perhaps we'll try your way so. :rolleyes:

Well what i meant was our usual set up with Gerrard playing instead of Masch in the middle and Benni playing in the hole behind Torres.

Torres is unlikely to play. I would have gerrard in the hole(:D) with kuyt up front on his own and benny on the right with riera on the left. Kind of a no brainer really

[dantheman23]

i wouldn't mind seeing gerrard in the middle with alonso for this kind of game give mascha a rest, do we really need him in a game we simply have to win?
i would like the same back4 as madrid, alonso + stevie in the middle, riera on the left, give babel yet another chance to shine on the right, yossi in the hole with kuyt up front.
All of these midfielders have goals in them and if things go well and the gulf in class shows and we go one or two up maybe then bring on mascha to break up any of their attacks late on.
I would love to see us go out and go for it from the first minute paying them zero respect and if we score one, go and try to get a second not sit back like we've done before.

We have to win this and sunderland, if the other crowd even drew with newcastle :rolleyes: before we go there we could close the gap to 5 before going there thus after beating them it would be down to two points again,:)

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Ah righto, perhaps we'll try your way so. :rolleyes:

Well what i meant was our usual set up with Gerrard playing instead of Masch in the middle and Benni playing in the hole behind Torres.


Thank You.



Riera has looked shite to be frank in recent weeks-I hope it's just tiredness catching up on him so I'd leave him on the bench personally.Yossi deserves to keep his place(obviously) and hopefully Stevie will be back and Masch had his best game of the season midweek so all bodes well.i think if we're gonna stick with the 4-2-3-1 we cant afford to play dirk up top on his own as we need pace on the break-I'd give Babel(as sulky and shite as he's been) back to back starts as a striker until nando's back to get his confidence and fitness up.This is the team i'd like to see personally:



-------------------Pepe---------------------

----Arby-----Carra---------Marty-----Faby--

------------Xabi-------------Masch--------

------Dirk----------Stevie-------Yossi------

--------------------Babel------------------

[TubbyReina]

Thank You.



Riera has looked shite to be frank in recent weeks-I hope it's just tiredness catching up on him so I'd leave him on the bench personally.Yossi deserves to keep his place(obviously) and hopefully Stevie will be back and Masch had his best game of the season midweek so all bodes well.i think if we're gonna stick with the 4-2-3-1 we cant afford to play dirk up top on his own as we need pace on the break-I'd give Babel(as sulky and shite as he's been) back to back starts as a striker until nando's back to get his confidence and fitness up.This is the team i'd like to see personally:



-------------------Pepe---------------------

----Arby-----Carra---------Marty-----Faby--

------------Xabi-------------Masch--------

------Dirk----------Stevie-------Yossi------

--------------------Babel------------------

in much agreement here with the team

[justydawson]

Your just to good to be true

cant take the ball off you

you pass like souness to rush

with a heavinly touch



and when were pissed in the bar (Saturday) well thank the lord that your ours (sunday)



Your just too good to be true, cant take the ball off you!



....Who puts the ball in the boro net Stevie Stevie

.... Who puts the ball in the boro net

- In extra time its stevie G.

[tommy26241]

yeah i like the idea of babel up front against boro, i think 2 nil with babel scoring if he starts

[paulwex]

Lads is the game on setanta? says on their site live at 10am?:confused::confused:

[D-Red]

Lads is the game on setanta? says on their site live at 10am?:confused::confused:

setanta ireland 3pm

[paulwex]

happy days!:D:D

[Rover 609]

Lads is the game on setanta? says on their site live at 10am?:confused::confused:

I imagine your on the satanic usa site.

[rebelred]

Torres Definetly out now confirmed on the website

[Rover 609]

Torres Definetly out now confirmed on the website

Lads had a nightmare with injuries all season,stop start since August it must be doin his head in.Please God hes back for the Real and Manc ties il be happy with that:cool:

[paulwex]

I imagine your on the satanic usa site.

Prob was could not tell ya... Lookin forward to afternoon in a public house only cos the game is on though;)

[Rover 609]

Prob was could not tell ya... Lookin forward to afternoon in a public house only cos the game is on though;)

Good way to spend a satde arvo alright:cool:

[TubbyReina]

its on setanta sports 1 not setanta ireland,live racing at 3 on setanta ireland

[leonsdaddy]

They are really poor home and away so nothing less than 3 pts at the riverside will do. give babel 90 minutes up front he says its his favourite position so let him prove it now.

[General]

i wouldn't mind seeing gerrard in the middle with alonso for this kind of game give mascha a rest, do we really need him in a game we simply have to win?
i would like the same back4 as madrid, alonso + stevie in the middle, riera on the left, give babel yet another chance to shine on the right, yossi in the hole with kuyt up front.
All of these midfielders have goals in them and if things go well and the gulf in class shows and we go one or two up maybe then bring on mascha to break up any of their attacks late on.
I would love to see us go out and go for it from the first minute paying them zero respect and if we score one, go and try to get a second not sit back like we've done before.

We have to win this and sunderland, if the other crowd even drew with newcastle :rolleyes: before we go there we could close the gap to 5 before going there thus after beating them it would be down to two points again,:)

Please don't try to bring me back down. Still on a high after the news of Coco's departure!!!

[General]

They are really poor home and away so nothing less than 3 pts at the riverside will do. give babel 90 minutes up front he says its his favourite position so let him prove it now.

Did you see him in Madrid? We need to win this game-not give our blossoming, unnurtered, unloved, Henry like superstar yet another of his many failed chances to proove himself. Swear to God, will turn the tv off if he starts!!

[carpe diem]

its 11 weeks since we played a traditional saturday 3pm kick off match,and after today another 4 weeks before we play one again,some food for thought for the conspiracy theorists lol.

[MR KING KENNY]

its a must win today,we have to play 2 games before the scum play there next league game, get it back to 1 point, uts have 2 games in hand, but if the toon can do us a favour, and then tiverpool v scum and beat them, its back on, but these next 3 games are make our break, a must 9 points,
id say liverpool will win 2 nil, just hope boro go down, there just a pain in the hole to play

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Lads is the game on setanta? says on their site live at 10am?:confused::confused:

Ya was a great game-did you not see it?;):p

[GaryMc]

is this on Setanta Ireland or Setanta Sports 1 or both?

[D-Red]

is this on Setanta Ireland or Setanta Sports 1 or both?

Setanta Sports 1

(i think I might have said setanta ireland earlier in this thread :o)

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Have a bad feeling that we're going to LOSE today-can see fooking tuncay or someone popping up:(

I did remember to wear my lucky jocks though(100% win record this season;)) so ya nevr know:D

[eegorbishcan]

Anyone know if this will be shown in fitsimons or sinnots?
Or will they be only showing the early rugby game?

[fermoyred80]

The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Aurelio, Hyypia, Skrtel, Carragher, Alonso, Gerrard, Babel, Mascherano, El Zhar, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Riera, Benayoun, Lucas, Ngog, Darby.

El Zahr and Babel both start. Interesting from Rafa. Def thought Lucas would get a run out today

[fernsred]

The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Aurelio, Hyypia, Skrtel, Carragher, Alonso, Gerrard, Babel, Mascherano, El Zhar, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Riera, Benayoun, Lucas, Ngog, Darby.

El Zahr and Babel both start. Interesting from Rafa. Def thought Lucas would get a run out today

Surprised Yossi doesn't hold his place but team looks ok. Desperate for win now!

[Alex Raisbeck]

Have a bad feeling that we're going to LOSE today
Why?

[carpe diem]

nice to see el zhar getting a start,lets hope he impresses.

[denashpot]

come the reds today! lets hope we dont make another bad team look good!

[MrsStevieG]

Ah I don't f***king believe that!!!!!!.

[Captain_Morgan]

ah this is muck

[MrsPepe]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Captain_Morgan]

jaysus babel looks like a sunday league player .

come on redmen

[fermoyred80]

Nothing what so ever in the final 1/3. Babel is playin as to be expected. Whats the point in looking for crosses into the box when there is no-one in there. Again to much respect to teams.

[carpe diem]

rafas gonna have to take a cattle prod to a few of these,talk about champions league hangover.

[REDHEART]

played reasonably well first 30 created 3 good chances,but then a disaster of a goal.you just knew boro would score today.alwasy has to happen to liverpool.babel really is a wate of space at times and stevie g not at the races.but we were 1 down against them at anfield so i'm still hopeful.

[megager]

what can you say. Very poor. Boro will win this 2-0 unless something changes.

[Captain_Morgan]

Nothing what so ever in the final 1/3. Babel is playin as to be expected. Whats the point in looking for crosses into the box when there is no-one in there. Again to much respect to teams.

Exactly, too much respect shown. We may go 3 at the back and sacrifice masch for yossi and try and get some creativity into the team


--------------reina-------------------

----skrtel-------sami-----------carra

--------Xabi------------Stevie------

Kuyt-------Yossi---------Aurelio------

----------Babel-----------El Zhar------

For 2nd Half

[fernsred]

The second half is going to tell a lot about this group of players and their desire to win championships. Very little evidence of it in the first half:mad:
Come on red men.

[Captain_Morgan]

ah my head is wrecked

[MrsStevieG]

rafas gonna have to take a cattle prod to a few of these,talk about champions league hangover.

Yep, total lacklustre performance from our lads. Can kind of understand tiredness being an issue but come on lads we need to win this game and it's middlesboro for god's sake!. If we don't step it up in the second half I can see this being another draw to add to our list, or worse...:(
COME ON RED MEN, GET IT TOGETHER!

[Captain_Morgan]

there is no urgency about us at all

[Gray72]

More questions than answers, again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Captain_Morgan]

el zhar:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:: mad::mad:

[Captain_Morgan]

get el zhar and babel off riera and yossi on

[Trevinem]

yeah have to agree mate...babel is useless

[Trevinem]

looks like benayoun's coming on....lets hope he can change it

[Captain_Morgan]

fcuksake i could make a difference and my belly would put big jans to shame:D

[fernsred]

Jesus rafa come on, yossi and riera for babel and masch.

FFS forget it.

[bobby benitez]

Does anybody on the bench or pitch realise our championship chances are 28 from being over

[Trevinem]

f*ck sake were completely f*cked now.....2-0

[Captain_Morgan]

ah for fcucksake:mad:

[Gray72]

It just get better and better this season!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trevinem]

babel is usless...cant believe we threw our title challenge away again against pure f*cking crap opposition

[fermoyred80]

If anyone comes onto this site later and says have faith, believe and the shite thats been posted for the last few weeks from fellas deluding themselves thinkin we've a team capable of winning the league please feck off

[MrsPepe]

i cant fckin believe this, make the changes please ffs:mad:

[Trevinem]

rafa for f*ck sake stop being a stuborn ass an make a change the 11 on the pitch aren't doing shit

[Captain_Morgan]

wtf ngog??????????????????

[fermoyred80]

NGOG??????? Yossi playin good stuff lately so we'll leave him on the bench. Weres the logic

[MrsPepe]

no yossi???:eek::eek: wf is going on, im off to stick my head in the fckin oven

[Trevinem]

NGOG??????? Yossi playin good stuff lately so we'll leave him on the bench. Weres the logic

I'm sure i'll get lynched for this mate but Rafa has no logic...hes lost the plot. He must see something most other people dont...pure bullshit at this stage

[MrsPepe]

carra, someone tell me this is a nightmare

[Captain_Morgan]

carra?????????

has rafa seen anything in babel to justify keeping him on

[Captain_Morgan]

I'm sure i'll get lynched for this mate but Rafa has no logic...hes lost the plot. He must see something most other people dont...pure bullshit at this stage

i agree im starting too lose faith in rafa

[chippyd]

i havnt posted for weeks because sick of people writing rubbish about how good we are that display sums up are season a incompitant manager and half a team of players who wouldnt maka a league of ireland team the club needs new manager owners and new players for this team ever to b back to what we were 20 years ago

[fernsred]

If anyone comes onto this site later and says have faith, believe and the shite thats been posted for the last few weeks from fellas deluding themselves thinkin we've a team capable of winning the league please feck off

Not any more. Absolutely gutted.

[Captain_Morgan]

kill me now

[megager]

now in a battle for top 4 place. And as rubbish as arsenal are, more performances like this and top 4 is not a formality. gerrard gone now

[MrsPepe]

i cant even blame styles :mad:
total shambles, :mad:

[denashpot]

who scored the 2nd? was on a trip to the loo.

[Trevinem]

i agree im starting too lose faith in rafa and I've been one of Rafa's supporters saying he was still the man for the job well i've had enough of Rafa. His tactics and team selections are just gone plain crazy. Its time for him to go and before im blasted for it I dont know who should replace him but hes not the man to win us the league. Yeah great result midweek but are we going to accept a few awful results every time we get a good win? Madness

[armaghred]

For a start Skrtel is no right-back,gettinfg skinned everytime,takes carra off then moves Mascherano into there:eek: cya rafa

[JohnnyChimpo]

If anyone comes onto this site later and says have faith, believe and the shite thats been posted for the last few weeks from fellas deluding themselves thinkin we've a team capable of winning the league please feck off

What about people who are stil proud of the team for advancing on last season. We didn't expect to win the league at the start of the season, we just wanted to challenge. Is it ok with you if the people who kept their feet on the ground all season dont jump on the sack Rafa bandwagon?

[Trevinem]

For a start Skrtel is no right-back,gettinfg skinned everytime,takes carra off then moves Mascherano into there:eek: cya rafa

exactly, carra in the center and skrtel on the right? wtf

[fermoyred80]

For a start Skrtel is no right-back,gettinfg skinned everytime,takes carra off then moves Mascherano into there:eek: cya rafa

Masch has more pace than Cara thats the only reason I can think for the change. How that Donkey Babel can last 90 min is unreal and to top it off Gerrard off injured, Reira on the bench but bring a defensive midfielder on at 2-0 down. Ya thats the way to go out of the title chase in style.

[Beglin's Peg]

You'd swear Rafa was trying to get the sack. Team selection and substitutions a total joke. We'' be lucky to finish in the top 4 at this rate. I can't watch this CRAP anymore.

[Gray72]

Too many average players in Kuyt, El Zahr, Babel and Ngog. Yet again we start well and have all the chances and concede. When oh when will we get it right?

[Trevinem]

were handing the title to united, they dont even have to fight for it. crazy

[9Torres]

Shambles.... no silverware again this year... and none for years to come unless this mess is sorted out. If any of you still think Rafa is the man for the job, then you need your head examined. And whoever comes in is gonna have to do a serious rebuilding of the team because most of the players aren't worthy of a Liverpool shirt.

[Trevinem]

i can only imagine the conversation between carra and stevie G....i bet there both sick of Rafa at this stage

[armaghred]

What about people who are stil proud of the team for advancing on last season. We didn't expect to win the league at the start of the season, we just wanted to challenge. Is it ok with you if the people who kept their feet on the ground all season dont jump on the sack Rafa bandwagon?

Have we really? utd and chelski have had shite season,there first half of season results have made us look good tbh.at this rate we will be fighting for 4th with them ****s villa.

[MrsPepe]

parry must be pi55ing himself

[Trevinem]

whats even worse is the manc scum laughing at the mess were in. F*cking sick of this roller coaster crap

[fermoyred80]

What about people who are stil proud of the team for advancing on last season. We didn't expect to win the league at the start of the season, we just wanted to challenge. Is it ok with you if the people who kept their feet on the ground all season dont jump on the sack Rafa bandwagon?

Advancing?? we finish 11 behind utd last season, if they win there game in hand they will be 10 ahead this season and we still have to go to the toilet.

[red_shamrock]

Pathetic performance. Ok og was bad luck, but we had the chances even still. I'm not going to knee jerk, but we are no closer to title than under gh.

[fernsred]

What about people who are stil proud of the team for advancing on last season. We didn't expect to win the league at the start of the season, we just wanted to challenge. Is it ok with you if the people who kept their feet on the ground all season dont jump on the sack Rafa bandwagon?

What advance though ? Out of title race in feb instead of dec !

[Captain_Morgan]

and I've been one of Rafa's supporters saying he was still the man for the job well i've had enough of Rafa. His tactics and team selections are just gone plain crazy. Its time for him to go and before im blasted for it I dont know who should replace him but hes not the man to win us the league. Yeah great result midweek but are we going to accept a few awful results every time we get a good win? Madness

Nail head bang

[Captain_Morgan]

id say fergie is pissing himself

[IrishRed1892]

jesus last week i was dejected. but today i am fcuking livid. HOW THE **** CAN WE BEAT REAL ****ING MADRID AND LOSE 2-0 TO BORO?? ****ed if i know

[locallad]

Disgrace.

We have a team that are not good enough and that is that regardless weather people like hearing it or not. We take off El Zhar to replace with Ngog!!! Players that are NOT good enough for a top four side.


:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad:

[James]

Oh my sweet jaysus.

[RedMurph08]

Oh my sweet jaysus.

Lol :)

[JohnnyChimpo]

Have we really? utd and chelski have had shite season,there first half of season results have made us look good tbh.at this rate we will be fighting for 4th with them ****s villa.

Do we have more points at this stage this season than we had at this stage last season? Are we second at this stage this seasons instead of 5th at this stage last season? Thats progress. Thats advancement. No matter what you slice it, thats progress. United may have progressed too, but that doesn't change the fact that we have. Its a building process.

What advance though ? Out of title race in feb instead of dec
Eh, are you trying to prove my point? Staying in the race unitl March is better than staying in the race until Decemeber, is it not?

Advancing?? we finish 11 behind utd last season, if they win there game in hand they will be 10 ahead this season and we still have to go to the toilet.
The league hasn't finished yet. So you can't say how far behind we will finish. If United have advanced on last season, that shouldn't the fact that we have too. We are currently in second instead of 5th. Thats advancement.

[IrishRed1892]

Disgrace.

We have a team that are not good enough and that is that regardless weather people like hearing it or not. We take off El Zhar to replace with Ngog!!! Players that are NOT good enough for a top four side.


:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad:

that fella in your avatar is the man for the job imo;)

[Captain_Morgan]

jesus last week i was dejected. but today i am fcuking livid. HOW THE **** CAN WE BEAT REAL ****ING MADRID AND LOSE 2-0 TO BORO?? ****ed if i know

Rafa sets his team up different for europe , On wed we looked like a team with a plan and we stuck to it, today we looked like a team who are nervous and terrified of losing a goal, For fcuksake we are liverpool teams should be fearing us not the other way around, We let a bad boro team walk all over us im absolutely fuming about this.

Ive lost faith in rafa to bring us the title i dont hink it will happen under him now, we might still win the european cup buth the thought of the scum equalling our record is making me sick to the pit of my stomach.

Im Off now to kick the dog

[Fowler-9-]

I'm shocked.

Probably lost Gerrard aswell,

I'm speechless

[MrsPepe]

my phone hasnt stopped ringing, u can guess which supporters, :mad::mad::mad::mad: i have no answers

[Captain_Morgan]

Here is a bold statement

Get Kenny Dalglish in til the end of the season

[IrishRed1892]

yesterday i still had faith in rafa. today i think, sorry i know that we are never going to win the league under him.

But I can tell you this now-WE ARE GOING TO ROME

[Trevinem]

that fella in your avatar is the man for the job imo;)
I dont disagree with you one bit mate....when GH was out with his heart op Thommo done brilliant and he wasn't afraid to shout at his players. He might not have managed at this level but hes a scouser whos a fighter

[SOC]

I want to know after Real, he drops Yossi to the bench, now surely after getting the goal he would be raring to go today. El Zhar was poor, u could see Xabi & Gerrard were disgusted with him, nodding the head towards him, picking him up on things. To bring on Benayoun, El Zhar & Lucas from the bench at 2-0 down says it all I am afraid.
Skrtel at right back made no sense either, surely stick carra right back and skrtel and sami in the centre.

[armaghred]

Gerarrd will be looking hard at this,with him only havin 3-4 good seasons left in him,he could be looking a move again.

[IrishRed1892]

I dont disagree with you one bit mate....when GH was out with his heart op Thommo done brilliant and he wasn't afraid to shout at his players. He might not have managed at this level but hes a scouser whos a fighter

i meant the lad beside thommo:rolleyes::D

[fermoyred80]

The league hasn't finished yet. So you can't say how far behind we will finish. If United have advanced on last season, that shouldn't the fact that we have too. We are currently in second instead of 5th. Thats advancement.

The fact we are 3rd is because Chelsea and Arsenal are not plying as wel as they did last season. How many games this year can you honestly say we looked like a championship winning team? For one against a shite Newcastle.

The wheels came off the train imo when Rafa came out with his speech. There is way too much shite happenin at the club and everyone is to blame including Rafa.

[MR KING KENNY]

its a joke, beating real, and losing to boro, theres something really messed up in that changing room, we can blame rafa, but there was not 1 player out there that gave a toss if they won, id say rafas going to go,
man im so pissed off, same story as the last 4 years, rest players for europe.

[Trevinem]

i wouldnt be surprised if we could loose Stevie G and Carra if this mess isn't sorted. There Liverpool to the core and im sure they dont want to be there while the whole club is being ripped to shreds for public entertainment

[Captain_Morgan]

Im just sick at the whole lot

Every board decision on the back pages, h&g getting as much coverage as the team, jeckyll and hyde performances,Dirty linen being washed in public,Inept management decisions,crap squad players, we are a mess in third now and dropping like a stone in the league

[Trevinem]

i meant the lad beside thommo:rolleyes::D ha ha, my bad! i still think Thommo couldn't do any worse than rafa though:rolleyes:

[Fowler-9-]

Here is a bold statement

Get Kenny Dalglish in til the end of the season

Don't be fcukin silly, Get a grip on yourself and grow up.

Strange decisions from Rafa but i felt as let down if not more so by those 14 imposters who disgraced our shirt today.,

[SOC]

Gerarrd will be looking hard at this,with him only havin 3-4 good seasons left in him,he could be looking a move again.

Your right, he must think jesus what was that today, see him having a go at El Zhar when he was offside from the corner. He is right to be annoyed but these things happen when u play a team like we did today unfortunately.

[Fowler-9-]

Here is a bold statement

Get Kenny Dalglish in til the end of the season

Your right, he must think jesus what was that today, see him having a go at El Zhar when he was offside from the corner. He is right to be annoyed but these things happen when u play a team like we did today unfortunately.

The ball was played backwards he was not fcukin offside.

[armaghred]

Here is a bold statement

Get Kenny Dalglish in til the end of the season

He was 5-1 to be the next manager on friday:D

[Jockser]

i have never seen such a depressing , dejected and BORING performance from the team, even under Gerard Houllier!!!gutted after watching that!

[trucker]

What advance though ? Out of title race in feb instead of dec !

Well said, i've made my feelings on Benitez clear on here on many an occasion only to be given stick for it. But the fact of the matter is we've spent £120m on the team since Athens and take Torres Yossi Skertel out of it which are success and the rest was wasted and the team is no better than it was 2 years ago, anybdy else still think he does'nt have a thing against the young local lads after he left Darby on the bench and played Skertel at right fullback, F*** Europe we've turned a big lead into a 10 point deficet in 10 games. But theres alot of big players out there who should be ashamed of themselves after todays performance heartless and did'nt give a f***, and if there even 1 person on here who thinks Babel is'nt a complete waster after today there blind.

[JohnnyChimpo]

Get Kenny Dalglish in til the end of the season
Yeah, and we can turn into an even worse circus. Bringing in Daglish would be the same as Newcastle bringing in Keegan. Great for a bit of nostalgia, but turns shit when you remember his footballing brain is back in the 70's.

The fact we are 3rd is because Chelsea and Arsenal are not plying as wel as they did last season. How many games this year can you honestly say we looked like a championship winning team? For one against a shite Newcastle.
No. We're third because we have been picking up more points this season than we were last season. Last season, we would have been down and out in the home games against Boro and Wigan, and the away games at Man City and Pompey. Sure, some of the credit can be given to Arsenal and Chelsea being poor, but we have also improved. Are Villa up in the top 4 because of Arsenal and Chelsea being poor, or have they improved? At the start of the season, nobody on here thought we could win the league. We all wanted to be still in it come Christmas. We made it to March. Thats still moving forward. Maybe its not moving forward as much, or as fast as you would like, but to say there is no progression is just bollocks.

[fermoyred80]

Well said, i've made my feelings on Benitez clear on here on many an occasion only to be given stick for it. But the fact of the matter is we've spent £120m on the team since Athens and take Torres Yossi Skertel out of it which are success and the rest was wasted and the team is no better than it was 2 years ago, anybdy else still think he does'nt have a thing against the young local lads after he left Darby on the bench and played Skertel at right fullback, F*** Europe we've turned a big lead into a 10 point deficet in 10 games. But theres alot of big players out there who should be ashamed of themselves after todays performance heartless and did'nt give a f***, and if there even 1 person on here who thinks Babel is'nt a complete waster after today there blind.

Exactly people on here have been defending Rafas signings and spending yet the same hes still got the same depth in the squad as he had when he took over in 04, feck all. Ngog, lucas, Dossena, not one striker on the bench.

[gowinit6times]

Have to say I think Rafa has signed his death warrant today. The decisions get stranger by the week. What is going on in his head is hard to fathom at times, you just couldn't second guess him.

He surely must have known the furore that would be created by making these decisions. Whilst his greatest strength is his single-mindedness it is also his greatest weakness.

I can imagine the conversation between Carra and Stevie tonight. When the senior players get disaffected it is time to ask questions, so the reaction of the players could be crucial to the managers future. Personally I think its curtains.

[Jockser]

if there even 1 person on here who thinks Babel is'nt a complete waster after today there blind.oh that fella is a total waste of space. he is a bottler not a winner, and must be sold this summer.

[fermoyred80]

No. We're third because we have been picking up more points this season than we were last season. Last season, we would have been down and out in the home games against Boro and Wigan, and the away games at Man City and Pompey. Sure, some of the credit can be given to Arsenal and Chelsea being poor, but we have also improved. Are Villa up in the top 4 because of Arsenal and Chelsea being poor, or have they improved? At the start of the season, nobody on here thought we could win the league. We all wanted to be still in it come Christmas. We made it to March. Thats still moving forward. Maybe its not moving forward as much, or as fast as you would like, but to say there is no progression is just bollocks.

And what about games like Hull, Fulham, Stoke twice, west ham, Villa are up to fourth because they have bought good youth players and yes they have improved and sadly alot more than us

[carramagic]

Disgracefully spineless performance. Too many average players on the pitch bought by Rafa. Kuyt, Babel, El Zhar could have been out there all day and wouldn't have scored. Very hard to defend Rafa after this. He has signed some real muck and today his team were not playing for him. Skrtel at right back was a joke. Anyone thinking we have made progress in the league is kidding themselves really. Utd had a bad start, Chelsea have been crap and we are probably as good as ten points behind. We need a lot of new players to have a squad that can compete with Utd over a season and we don't have the money for it

Even if we do get new investment you would hardly be confident that our manager won't squander it. We'll always have a chance in Europe with Rafa thank God because this is really depressing. Really not sure if he is the right man for the job or has a hope of getting us no. 19

[Tarabuses]

I missed the game but have heard the reports and read the posts. We just threw in the towel as regards the Premier League title. There has been no commitment since the Chelsea game. It can only be down to the manager, he decides the tactics and has to motivate the players. His tactics today were woeful and his substitiutions only served to demotivate the team.

Rafa has seen a chance to win the Champions League now and so has dismissed the Premiership once again, in his own mind. We will pobably beat MU next month but it will be of no benefit.

Can you believe that the Premier League title is decided and it's still February?

[JohnnyChimpo]

And what about games like Hull, Fulham, Stoke twice, west ham, Villa are up to fourth because they have bought good youth players and yes they have improved and sadly alot more than us

Did I say we were the finished article? No. I know there is still things wrong, still things that need to be improved on. We need to be more attack minded and clinical with our chances. I know this, I can admit this. I'm not kidding myself. There is still work to be done. But we have improved. To say that we havn't improved on last season is complete and utter bullshit, and makes you look like a fan who is over reacting and spitting your dummy out because we lost.

You need patience. You think sacking Rafa and getting someone else in is going to be the way to fix it? Nobody is going to come in and sprinkle some magic goldust and everything will be rosey. When you build something, anything, a house, a skyscraper, an empire, you do it in stages. You build bit by bit. Rafa has improved a little bit every year. We're getting there. I'm not dumb enough to think that this was going to be our season. We're getting closer, and removing Rafa now because you guys are too impatient would be a terrible move. One that would set us back even further.

[Captain_Morgan]

Don't be fcukin silly, Get a grip on yourself and grow up.

Strange decisions from Rafa but i felt as let down if not more so by those 14 imposters who disgraced our shirt today.,

Im sorry playing skrtel at rb is a let down, Playing el Zahr ahead of yossi who was man of the match against real is a let down,Bringing on A defensive midfielder instead of riera is a let down.

Our manager is a let down. Maybe you should take the blinkers off and realise rafa is the real let down today with his setup.

[JohnnyChimpo]

Our manager is a let down. Maybe you should take the blinkers off and realise rafa is the real let down today with his setup.
I'm pretty sure he was telling you to get a grip because you suggested Daglish. Which is the talk of someone who gets spoon fed information by the tabloids. Like how people thought Keegan would be a good appointment for Newcastle cause the Daily Mail said so. When anyone with a brain could see it was a ticking time-bomb. Daglish would be nice for nostalgia, but nothing else.

[fermoyred80]

Did I say we were the finished article? No. I know there is still things wrong, still things that need to be improved on. We need to be more attack minded and clinical with our chances. I know this, I can admit this. I'm not kidding myself. There is still work to be done. But we have improved. To say that we havn't improved on last season is complete and utter bullshit, and makes you look like a fan who is over reacting and spitting your dummy out because we lost.

You need patience. You think sacking Rafa and getting someone else in is going to be the way to fix it? Nobody is going to come in and sprinkle some magic goldust and everything will be rosey. When you build something, anything, a house, a skyscraper, an empire, you do it in stages. You build bit by bit. Rafa has improved a little bit every year. We're getting there. I'm not dumb enough to think that this was going to be our season. We're getting closer, and removing Rafa now because you guys are too impatient would be a terrible move. One that would set us back even further.

Chill abit there mate. Rafa has had 4 odd years and yes we have improved on what we were Im not saying that,
The club is up in a heap and Rafa has to shoulder some of this. Hes playing his contract talks out in public which has had a knock on effect for the players. His tactics today and in most league games are of a man whos scared of losing. Going in todays game we were 15 unbeaten sounds good but 8 have been draws. Of the last 8 or 9 games in the league we've won 2. We might have improved from 04 but jesus its good enough

[Captain_Morgan]

I'm pretty sure he was telling you to get a grip because you suggested Daglish. Which is the talk of someone who gets spoon fed information by the tabloids. Like how people thought Keegan would be a good appointment for Newcastle cause the Daily Mail said so. When anyone with a brain could see it was a ticking time-bomb. Daglish would be nice for nostalgia, but nothing else.

Im sorry i dont get spoon fed my opinions by the tabloids im big enough to make up my own mind. It would be nothing like keegan he wasnt in the same class as kenny, Kenny had and still has a great football brain, he loves the club its in his blood, he would instantly command the respect of the dressing room and imo i think it would bring a freshness that we so badly need

[fermoyred80]

Im sorry i dont get spoon fed my opinions by the tabloids im big enough to make up my own mind. It would be nothing like keegan he wasnt in the same class as kenny, Kenny had and still has a great football brain, he loves the club its in his blood, he would instantly command the respect of the dressing room and imo i think it would bring a freshness that we so badly need
Not for me lad, Kennys pushin on now and dont think hed be too interested in the shite thats happenin at the club to be honest. Maybe a role on the board would suit him where he could try and put a stop to the circus

[irishman123]

i dont know what to say i,m lost for words after listening to ronnie whelan on wed night i have to say i believe him when he says that former players think liverpool play depressing football but when you see it with your own eyes every week its soul destroying i was never a fan of babbel but today hopefully signed his death warrent as far as been a liverpool player is concerned
i read somewhere that liverpool spent 120 million sense athens i have to ask on what i really dont see it on the pitch or on the bench where is the strength in depth
i accept that benetiz has brought us forward sense he took over but not 120 million worth

[JohnnyChimpo]

Chill abit there mate. Rafa has had 4 odd years and yes we have improved on what we were Im not saying that,
The club is up in a heap and Rafa has to shoulder some of this. Hes playing his contract talks out in public which has had a knock on effect for the players. His tactics today and in most league games are of a man whos scared of losing. Going in todays game we were 15 unbeaten sounds good but 8 have been draws. Of the last 8 or 9 games in the league we've won 2. We might have improved from 04 but jesus its good enough

Of course Rafa has to shoulder some of it. But you said it yourself, some of it. Not all of it. Unless your going to sack the entire board, all the backroom staff, and every player who has under-performed at some stage this season, then Rafa doesn't deserve to be sacked. Sacking him would be incorrectly letting him take the full blame. He doesn't deserve that.

Yes, we have had far too many draws, but like I said earlier, we're not the finished article yet. Nobody is claiming we are. This is an area that needs to be improved on. We are a team incredibly hard to beat. Now if we can improve on being more clinical, more ruthless, more attack minded in home games, we can turn those draws into wins. And thats the next part of the process. Thats the next step. Like I said, its a process. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Im sorry i dont get spoon fed my opinions by the tabloids im big enough to make up my own mind. It would be nothing like keegan he wasnt in the same class as kenny, Kenny had and still has a great football brain, he loves the club its in his blood, he would instantly command the respect of the dressing room and imo i think it would bring a freshness that we so badly need
Keegan loves Newcastle. The club is in his blood. And he instantly commanded the respect of the dressing room and the love of the fans. But he was tactically inept. His man management and motivational skills only got him so far. They papered the cracks for a short period of time. But he was a throwback to happier times. He was a distraction for the fans, giving them some good news, a false dawn to take their focus off the board room circus. An appointment of Daglish as our manager would be the exact same for us.

[Captain_Morgan]

Not for me lad, Kennys pushin on now and dont think hed be too interested in the shite thats happenin at the club to be honest. Maybe a role on the board would suit him where he could try and put a stop to the circus

I bet my life what is happening at the club is hurting kenny as much as it is hurting all of us now,I agree we are a circus now but kenny is a man with our core values at heart i guarantee you he would not be telling the press everything that is going on behind the scenes

[Captain_Morgan]

Keegan loves Newcastle. The club is in his blood. And he instantly commanded the respect of the dressing room and the love of the fans. But he was tactically inept. His man management and motivational skills only got him so far. They papered the cracks for a short period of time. But he was a throwback to happier times. He was a distraction for the fans, giving them some good news, a false dawn to take their focus off the board room circus. An appointment of Daglish as our manager would be the exact same for us.

One big difference , Keegan won sweet fa as a manager he was not a success as a manager , Kenny was and i believe could be again

[dking]

i dont know what to say i,m lost for words after listening to ronnie whelan on wed night i have to say i believe him when he says that former players think liverpool play depressing football but when you see it with your own eyes every week its soul destroying i was never a fan of babbel but today hopefully signed his death warrent as far as been a liverpool player is concerned
i read somewhere that liverpool spent 120 million sense athens i have to ask on what i really dont see it on the pitch or on the bench where is the strength in depth
i accept that benetiz has brought us forward sense he took over but not 120 million worth

make your own mind up mate .

[fermoyred80]

I bet my life what is happening at the club is hurting kenny as much as it is hurting all of us now,I agree we are a circus now but kenny is a man with our core values at heart i guarantee you he would not be telling the press everything that is going on behind the scenes

I meant he wouldn be interested takin over the club with the shite thats happenin sorry

[Fowler-9-]

Im sorry playing skrtel at rb is a let down, Playing el Zahr ahead of yossi who was man of the match against real is a let down,Bringing on A defensive midfielder instead of riera is a let down.

Our manager is a let down. Maybe you should take the blinkers off and realise rafa is the real let down today with his setup.

Reina
Picks Himself

Skrtel
Never should have been played full back obviously and he won't again, this is one of Rafa's mistakes alright, however there goals came from a corner (which incidentally he could have cleared) and a break down the right after Babel lost possesion, so IMO that mistake never cost us the game.

Carragher
Wasn't great positional sense was poor, taking him off was baffling however.

Hyypia
I can only imagine Rafa wanted to go big and physical with them having the likes of Huth Wheater Pogatez. Wasn't to be faulted however him being selected pushed Skrtel to right back which could be considered a mistake, howvever he never cost us the game.

Aurelio
Was a definite starter after Madrid, 2 shit corners, no good crosses, was exposed for the 2nd.

El Zhar
Rafa's biggest mistake, started brightly looked decent then went downhill, missed the biggest sitter ever. he IMO started as Rafa needed to keep something in reserve in Yossi in case Gerrard wasn't up for it.

Mascherano
Was always going to start, got sucked in for 2nd goal.

Alonso
Didn't look up for it, he allowed his head drop after the OG I don't think he connected one pass all day, for me his performance summed us up today. He has become our go to man this season and he let us down desperately today.

Babel
You won't hear me slate current players very often, however this imposter is waster.

Gerrard
Didn't look fit and in turn didn't seem like he wanted to be there, he stood bent over on the pitch without moving which could have cost us a fcukin goal, he should have went down. He had a go at El Zhar when it was him who took the stupid short corner. He overall was another let down.

Kuyt
:eek:How did he miss

Of the subs none of them contrinuted anything.

I feel as let down by our players as i do by Rafa and can't put the blame solely on the manager. The team let him down and whether we like to admit it or not, the politics is affecting the team morale and needs to be sorted.

Did parry's announcement need to come before the match to once again have us dragged through the shitter.

I'm livid but the Rafa outters have there mind made up about the boss and are never going to change it, if he won the league this year you's would be on his back if we drop a few points next year, to demand perfection is completely acceptable however, we have no strenght in depth largely due to our shoe string budget and secondly due to Parry not allowing us sign Barry (whi would have been great utility man for us and Lucas wouldn't have been getting enough game time.

Rafa has brought the club forward incredibly in recent years, we finished fourth last year, yet you's expect a divine right for him to win the league this year. Fergie got his man in the summer Rafa didn't. Rafa is the best thing to have happened to this clu in years. He needs to be supported and not attacked. The man is Liverpool. He's been treated like a fool, the board won't give him support, they won't give him the players he needs, they won't give him the control he needs, how can we expect him to win a league. Among all the shite we've seen in the papers this man has kept the team in a title race and in contention for another EC. It has taken Fergie seven years to deliver success at United, now he's built a legacy. He has the support he needs. In years to come, if we do lose Rafa I'm sure you lads will be looking back in regret.

Another manager does not mean success, infact it will most likely mean the contrary, it will mean another 4-5 years of building, and most likely without the success Rafa has brought us in Europe as a sweetner.

The board is the problem. Hicks & Gillet out now.

Give Rafa the support any manager needs to bring us home a title.

In Rafa I Trust

[born red 79]

Have a bad feeling that we're going to LOSE today-can see fooking tuncay or someone popping up:(

I did remember to wear my lucky jocks though(100% win record this season;)) so ya nevr know:D

Change your boxies! :D

[Captain_Morgan]

The fact is we have not improved from last year , The team that started against chelsea last year at anfield in the c/l semi

----------------------------------Reina--------------------------------

Arbeloa----------Carra------------------------Skrtel-------------Aurelio

----------------Alonso-------------------------Masch-----------------

Kuyt----------------------------Stevie----------------------------Babel

--------------------------------Torres--------------------------------

That was our strongest team back then. One year on if we were to name our strongest team you could argubaly make only one change , Riera In for babel.

Thats not enough progress imo

[dking]

The fact is we have not improved from last year , The team that started against chelsea last year at anfield in the c/l semi

----------------------------------Reina--------------------------------

Arbeloa----------Carra------------------------Skrtel-------------Aurelio

----------------Alonso-------------------------Masch-----------------

Kuyt----------------------------Stevie----------------------------Babel

--------------------------------Torres--------------------------------

That was our strongest team back then. One year on if we were to name our strongest team you could argubaly make only one change , Riera In for babel.

Thats not enough progress imo

we dont have the money to wholesale change the team

[JohnnyChimpo]

One big difference , Keegan won sweet fa as a manager he was not a success as a manager , Kenny was and i believe could be again

Of course he was successful. Winning trophies isn't the only measurement for guaging success.

Keegan took over Newcastle when they were fighting relegation in Division 2. He avoided relegation, and the next season he won the Division and got promoted to the Premiership as Champions. Relegation figters to Champions in a season and a bit. The got promoted to the Premiership and finished 3rd in their first season. Relegation fighers in the Championship to 3rd in the Premiership in 2 and abit seasons. Thats success.

And his run at Fulham was a success too.

[dking]

stop Arguing over Kenny and keegan , please , its pointless.

[JohnnyChimpo]

stop Arguing over Kenny and keegan , please , its pointless.

How about you just ignore it. And let other people discuss what they want to discuss.

[Captain_Morgan]

I feel as let down by our players as i do by Rafa and can't put the blame solely on the manager. The team let him down and whether we like to admit it or not, the politics is affecting the team morale and needs to be sorted.

Did parry's announcement need to come before the match to once again have us dragged through the shitter.

I'm livid but the Rafa outters have there mind made up about the boss and are never going to change it, if he won the league this year you's would be on his back if we drop a few points next year, to demand perfection is completely acceptable however, we have no strenght in depth largely due to our shoe string budget and secondly due to Parry not allowing us sign Barry (whi would have been great utility man for us and Lucas wouldn't have been getting enough game time.

Rafa has brought the club forward incredibly in recent years, we finished fourth last year, yet you's expect a divine right for him to win the league this year. Fergie got his man in the summer Rafa didn't. Rafa is the best thing to have happened to this clu in years. He needs to be supported and not attacked. The man is Liverpool. He's been treated like a fool, the board won't give him support, they won't give him the players he needs, they won't give him the control he needs, how can we expect him to win a league. Among all the shite we've seen in the papers this man has kept the team in a title race and in contention for another EC. It has taken Fergie seven years to deliver success at United, now he's built a legacy. He has the support he needs. In years to come, if we do lose Rafa I'm sure you lads will be looking back in regret.

Another manager does not mean success, infact it will most likely mean the contrary, it will mean another 4-5 years of building, and most likely without the success Rafa has brought us in Europe as a sweetner.

The board is the problem. Hicks & Gillet out now.

Give Rafa the support any manager needs to bring us home a title.

In Rafa I Trust

I understand some of your points but in 08 we finished 4th and in 04 we finished 4th thats not enough progress imo. We didnt have a shoestring budget in real terms, Rafa has broken the club record for defenders(agger),Midfielders(masch),forwards(torre s) it is a fact that he has spent big. On paper we are a stronger team now than when rafa took over and yes he has brought us forward that no doubt about it but imo for every step we took forward the other clubs around us took two.

[dking]

How about you just ignore it. And let other people discuss what they want to discuss.

ok . you act up to your name chimpo.

[Captain_Morgan]

we dont have the money to wholesale change the team

we didnt need wholesale changes maybe 2 or 3 players, i thought like everyone else that keane would be a success but unfortunately not, i think our squad is a little weaker now than last year,

Anyone think it was a mistake letting crouch go ??

[trucker]

we dont have the money to wholesale change the team

Would you get a grip, Rafa has spent a fortune since hes been here, and as has been said £120m since the yanks arrived and bar Torres Yossi Skertel, which cost less than £35m the rest has been wasted, some of the shit on that pitch today Babel El Zhar Ngog aren't even championship players never mind LFC standard he also bought 2 of the worst fullbacks ever to play for the club this summer, and a striker he never bothered playing then sold him without a replacement, you cant defend the undefendable, his record in the transfer market is awful.You take Gerrard out of our team and we'd be midtable for the last 4 years.

[trucker]

,

Anyone think it was a mistake letting crouch go ??

crouch wanted to go but your right he's missed.

[dking]

we didnt need wholesale changes maybe 2 or 3 players, i thought like everyone else that keane would be a success but unfortunately not, i think our squad is a little weaker now than last year,

Anyone think it was a mistake letting crouch go ??


your right , i shouldnt have said wholesale .
But , we still dont have the money to get REALLY good SQUAD players in IMO .

Ps; my point has nothing to do with taday as it Doesnt matter how much you spend on players you expect 100% ,which it didnt look like today .

[dking]

Would you get a grip, Rafa has spent a fortune since hes been here, and as has been said £120m since the yanks arrived and bar Torres Yossi Skertel, which cost less than £35m the rest has been wasted, some of the shit on that pitch today Babel El Zhar Ngog aren't even championship players never mind LFC standard he also bought 2 of the worst fullbacks ever to play for the club this summer, and a striker he never bothered playing then sold him without a replacement, you cant defend the undefendable, his record in the transfer market is awful.You take Gerrard out of our team and we'd be midtable for the last 4 years.



Your posts common factor is always aggression , pity you wherent playing today :)
Some of the shit playing for our team is a joke and
I think you believe what you are saying but if you honest belive we can compete with Utd !?!?!

[Captain_Morgan]

Would you get a grip, Rafa has spent a fortune since hes been here, and as has been said £120m since the yanks arrived and bar Torres Yossi Skertel, which cost less than £35m the rest has been wasted, some of the shit on that pitch today Babel El Zhar Ngog aren't even championship players never mind LFC standard he also bought 2 of the worst fullbacks ever to play for the club this summer, and a striker he never bothered playing then sold him without a replacement, you cant defend the undefendable, his record in the transfer market is awful.You take Gerrard out of our team and we'd be midtable for the last 4 years.

Exactly trucker

[RedMurph08]

Would you get a grip, Rafa has spent a fortune since hes been here, and as has been said £120m since the yanks arrived and bar Torres Yossi Skertel, which cost less than £35m the rest has been wasted, some of the shit on that pitch today Babel El Zhar Ngog aren't even championship players never mind LFC standard he also bought 2 of the worst fullbacks ever to play for the club this summer, and a striker he never bothered playing then sold him without a replacement, you cant defend the undefendable, his record in the transfer market is awful.You take Gerrard out of our team and we'd be midtable for the last 4 years.

Ah the aul Rafa has spent a fortune chestnut! :rolleyes: Its been well documented his nett spend vs the Mancs and Chelsea.How many 25m+/30m signings have we made? As we all know these guys he signed that yiz are complaining about werent necessarily his first choice signings but hey keep throwing this shite up, like a tabloid reader eventually it will stick and some will believe it!


Same shite different day in this thread its getting so monotonous its gone beyond belief now!

[Captain_Morgan]

Ah the aul Rafa has spent a fortune chestnut! :rolleyes: Its been well documented his nett spend vs the Mancs and Chelsea.How many 25m+/30m signings have we made? As we all know these guys he signed that yiz are complaining about werent necessarily his first choice signings but hey keep throwing this shite up, like a tabloid reader eventually it will stick and some will believe it!


Same shite different day in this thread its getting so monotonous its gone beyond belief now!

Trucker is right though, you say that these signings are not his first choice but i beg to differ, lucas , babel, ngog,el zahr, dossena, were all rafas signings he has given them plenty of game time to suggest that they were his men

[RedMurph08]

Trucker is right though, you say that these signings are not his first choice but i beg to differ, lucas , babel, ngog,el zahr, dossena, were all rafas signings he has given them plenty of game time to suggest that they were his men

Of course they were his signings but hardly his 1st choice :rolleyes:

[robbie st leger]

Ah the aul Rafa has spent a fortune chestnut! :rolleyes: Its been well documented his nett spend vs the Mancs and Chelsea.How many 25m+/30m signings have we made? As we all know these guys he signed that yiz are complaining about werent necessarily his first choice signings but hey keep throwing this shite up, like a tabloid reader eventually it will stick and some will believe it!


Same shite different day in this thread its getting so monotonous its gone beyond belief now!

not interested in net spend shite blah blah blah its the quality they have bought compared to the crap he has taken in - kuyt/el zhar/babel/lucas/dossensa/eggnog- there is the best part of close to 40 mill there that could have been used on 2 big name first teamers with that little bit more quality than waht we have.

[Captain_Morgan]

Of course they were his signings but hardly his 1st choice :rolleyes:

who do u think were his first chioce signings then murph??

[RedMurph08]

not interested in net spend shite blah blah blah its the quality they have bought compared to the crap he has taken in - kuyt/el zhar/babel/lucas/dossensa/eggnog- there is the best part of close to 40 mill there that could have been used on 2 big name first teamers with that little bit more quality than waht we have.

I agree but the board wouldnt release the funds for 2 big name signings see Alves and Barry, so im not interested in all this they are Rafas signings not good enough shite blah blah blah

[RedMurph08]

who do u think were his first chioce signings then murph??

Man you are a fan, no? I think that question can easily answer itself.

[MR KING KENNY]

its simple, utd brouhgt big names and spent well, liverpool have to many small players that cant turn a game, need to spend big money, and clear out half of the crap thats in that team, theres 5 players id keep and the rest half to go. the leaue is over for another year, but the champions league is still there to play for, so lets make he most of it.

[Captain_Morgan]

lucas wasnt a 2nd choice signing rafa wanted him before anyone else.

Same goes for babel.

Same goes for ngog

Same goes for el zahr

Same goes for dossena

We could go on all day about players we missed out on like barry but these players were rafas first choice

We are not in the market for kaka's or messi's but the point im making is that lets say rafa had 40m to spend he goes for quantity rather than quality

[robbie st leger]

if he hadnt spent some amount of money on such previously named crap he would have had some bigger funds - or maybe the board wouldnt sanction that ??

[RedMurph08]

lucas wasnt a 2nd choice signing rafa wanted him before anyone else.

Same goes for babel.

Same goes for ngog

Same goes for el zahr

Same goes for dossena

We could go on all day about players we missed out on like barry but these players were rafas first choice

We are not in the market for kaka's or messi's but the point im making is that lets say rafa had 40m to spend he goes for quantity rather than quality


Haha seriously? 1st choice signings for the 1st team? Lol........ just Lol

[dking]

Berbatov 31 million
Rooney 23m initially
Ferdinand £29.1m
Carrick 18.6 million
Tevez 30 million ????
Heargreaves £17 million
Anderson 17 million
Nani 17 million


ok , pick a player we should have bought which would have made us a better team/ squad? Cause we cant afford all 8, may be 1 !!!

Im not defending Rafa here by the way, just curious .

[fermoyred80]

its easy to say they were not his first choice signings. Every club in the world would want to sign a Kaka Messi etc fact is he has a limited budget but with that budget he has wasted it. How many full backs has he signed? Why was he so stubborn over Keane? He signed Crouch, Morientes, Belamey and let them go on again and brought nothing in as replacement for Torres.

[robbie st leger]

its easy to say they were not his first choice signings. Every club in the world would want to sign a Kaka Messi etc fact is he has a limited budget but with that budget he has wasted it. How many full backs has he signed? Why was he so stubborn over Keane? He signed Crouch, Morientes, Belamey and let them go on again and brought nothing in as replacement for Torres.

Fook sake dont tell me he's let him go aswell :D

[fermoyred80]

Fook sake dont tell me he's let him go aswell :D

:D:D:Dcover for Torres

[Captain_Morgan]

Haha seriously? 1st choice signings for the 1st team? Lol........ just Lol

what world are u living in man, maybe its hard for you to accept that these lads were his first choice signings as they are so bad, but the fact that he backs them so much and puts so much faith in them speaks volumes

[fermoyred80]

what world are u living in man, maybe its hard for you to accept that these lads were his first choice signings as they are so bad, but the fact that he backs them so much and puts so much faith in them speaks volumes

Exactly Keane wasnt his first choice and he didnt get a look in so if these guys weren his choice hed be doing the same

[MR KING KENNY]

rafa will win us the champions league, but i dont think he will ever bring the league back to anfield, it kills me to say that. i hate to say this, it will not go well with a good few people, but i think we would be lucky if we got the chosen one.

[Captain_Morgan]

Berbatov 31 million
Rooney 23m initially
Ferdinand £29.1m
Carrick 18.6 million
Tevez 30 million ????
Heargreaves £17 million
Anderson 17 million
Nani 17 million


ok , pick a player we should have bought which would have made us a better team/ squad? Cause we cant afford all 8, may be 1 !!!

Im not defending Rafa here by the way, just curious .

its not just about the mancs players ashley young was bought for the same money as babel,arteta cost less than lucas,vidic cost less than dossena.

U see my point??

Rafa has not used the majority of his money wisely

[trucker]

Haha seriously? 1st choice signings for the 1st team? Lol........ just Lol

They were his signings, who did he try to buy instead of lucas, who did he try to buy instead of Dossena, and dont say Evra because we never bid for Evra, fact of the matter is we got to a Champions league final 2 years ago, A Semi-final last year, in that time we've spent £120m and bar Torres no player has improved us, the man has wasted over £70m on shit in the last 2 years.

[RedMurph08]

its not just about the mancs players ashley young was bought for the same money as babel,arteta cost less than lucas,vidic cost less than dossena.

U see my point??

Rafa has not used the majority of his money wisely

Vidic would have been our player only for Parry "forgetting" to fax the relevent documents! You see my point?

[Tarabuses]

crouch wanted to go but your right he's missed.

He only wanted to go because he wasn't playing football.

[trucker]

Vidic would have been our player only for Parry "forgetting" to fax the relevent documents! You see my point?

Pity he did'nt forget to send them on at least 40 of the 65 other players signed since the summer of 2004, murph you've got to admit he's signed some shit in the last 5 years, and is destroying the academy, there is no justification for playing Skertel at right back today when Darby was available.

[Captain_Morgan]

Vidic would have been our player only for Parry "forgetting" to fax the relevent documents! You see my point?

We were never that close to vidic nowhere near it we were interested thats all. There is another thread here about players we missed out on.

Your missing my point every player at this club rafa wanted 110% the one he didnt (keane) was bombed. If keane got half the support that cnut lucas got he might have been a success

[liamo3]

Vidic would have been our player only for Parry "forgetting" to fax the relevent documents! You see my point?

Is the right answer you just have to look also towards the Malouda deal ffs! Some people here have very selective memories Alves another one that got away. Also remember he had to rebuild a complete squad after Houlier and the budget he had went a long way to completing that. Weather you agree with his squad is a different thing but Rafa just can't turn around and buy a Hargreaves Nani Anderson at the drop of a hat the way Ferguson can, no matter what way you look at it he has had to battle against the odds at this club for the best part of 2 years. Some people need a ****ing reality check!!!!!!!!:mad:

[dking]

They were his signings, who did he try to buy instead of lucas, who did he try to buy instead of Dossena, and dont say Evra because we never bid for Evra, fact of the matter is we got to a Champions league final 2 years ago, A Semi-final last year, in that time we've spent £120m and bar Torres no player has improved us, the man has wasted over £70m on shit in the last 2 years.

Skyrtel 6.5
ngog 1.5
dosseana 6 million
riera 8 million
lucas
babel 14 million


unless lucas cost 84 million who am i missing ?

[Captain_Morgan]

Pity he did'nt forget to send them on at least 40 of the 65 other players signed since the summer of 2004, murph you've got to admit he's signed some shit in the last 5 years, and is destroying the academy, there is no justification for playing Skertel at right back today when Darby was available.

Honest to god darby the captain of the reserves who wom the league is not even getting a look in in a position we are struggling in . Insua proves that some of those lads can step up, it still baffles me that spearing or nemeth hasnt got a decent run out

[liamo3]

We were never that close to vidic nowhere near it we were interested thats all.

You would really want to check your facts there pal!

[Captain_Morgan]

Skyrtel 6.5
ngog 1.5
dosseana 6 million
riera 8 million
lucas
babel 14 million


unless lucas cost 84 million who am i missing ?

keane

[trucker]

Skyrtel 6.5
ngog 1.5
dosseana 6 million
riera 8 million
lucas
babel 14 million


unless lucas cost 84 million who am i missing ?

Torres,
Maschereno,
Cavaleri,
Itandje,
Yossi,
Keane
Degen(£2m signing on fee)
Voronin(£2m signing on fee)
Did we just Conviently forget these players?

[Captain_Morgan]

You would really want to check your facts there pal!Vidic almost chose Liverpool ahead of Man Utd
22.02.09 | Ian Ferris
Nemanja Vidic held talks with Liverpool before finally settling on a move to Manchester United.
"I was talking with Liverpool," Vidic told The Independent.
"I was very close to Fiorentina, then Liverpool and after that Manchester United.
"Definitely I made the right choice.
"At that time it was a hard choice but when you look at it now with the three years we have won many trophies and I play regularly.
"Liverpool started the meetings, then they stopped. If I had stayed at Spartak Moscow I would have had more money than at United because they offered me more money to stay.
"Professionally, to go to Europe, United was the best choice."

[MrsPepe]

anybody watching youreonskysports on sky sports 2?

[dubit10]

Gutted with the on field efforts from several of our players today. I'm way way to angry still now to post anything as i'll prob regret it. They let the manager and the real supporters down badly today. I'll leave it at that.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[robbie st leger]

whats the latest on gerrard is he out for long???

[Tarabuses]

Gutted with the on field efforts from several of our players today. I'm way way to angry still now to post anything as i'll prob regret it. They let the manager and the real supporters down badly today. I'll leave it at that.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I don't agree that the players let the supporters down. The team did not decide on the tactics or the substitutions. It is the managers job to motivate the team and he did not on this occasion and several times this season.

Rafa does not have enough regard for the league championship to send out his best team with a winning message echoeing in their ears.

[liamo3]

Vidic almost chose Liverpool ahead of Man Utd
22.02.09 | Ian Ferris
Nemanja Vidic held talks with Liverpool before finally settling on a move to Manchester United.
"I was talking with Liverpool," Vidic told The Independent.
"I was very close to Fiorentina, then Liverpool and after that Manchester United.
"Definitely I made the right choice.
"At that time it was a hard choice but when you look at it now with the three years we have won many trophies and I play regularly.
"Liverpool started the meetings, then they stopped. If I had stayed at Spartak Moscow I would have had more money than at United because they offered me more money to stay.
"Professionally, to go to Europe, United was the best choice."

Hardly just an interest having talks etc...:rolleyes:

[Captain_Morgan]

Hardly just an interest having talks etc...:rolleyes:

Def wasnt either at the stage where we missed out coz parry forgot to send a fax, truth could lie somewhere in the middle.
We will agree to disagree on this one:p

[RedMurph08]

Torres,
Maschereno,
Cavaleri,
Itandje,
Yossi,
Keane
Degen(£2m signing on fee)
Voronin(£2m signing on fee)
Did we just Conviently forget these players?

Last 2 years in? ------ Out
Torres 20.2 mill -------- Keane 15
Keane 19 mill --------- Crouch 11
Mascherano 18.6 --------- Momo 8.2
Babel 10.5 --------- Bellamy 7.5
Riera 8.0 --------- Cisse 6.0
Dossena 8.0 --------- Carson 4.0
Lucas 7.5 --------- Riise 4.0
Skrtel 6.5 --------- Garcia 4.0
Benayoun 5.0 --------- Gonzalez 3.5
Cavalieri 4.0 --------- Kirkland 3.5
Arbeloa 2.6 --------- Pongolle 2.7
Leto 2.5 ---------- Guthrie 2.25
Ngog 1.5 ---------- Warnock 1.2
San jose 270,000 ---------- Potter 250,000
Cooper 200,000 ---------- O Donnell 100,000
Kacaniklic 75,000
Voronin + Degen 4mill signing on!

All from Jan 2007 onwards, im sure yiz can do the math yourselves!!

ps Ritchie Itanje was a freebie what was his signing on?

[robbie st leger]

Last 2 years in? ------ Out
Torres 20.2 mill -------- Keane 15
Keane 19 mill --------- Crouch 11
Mascherano 18.6 --------- Momo 8.2
Babel 10.5 --------- Bellamy 7.5
Riera 8.0 --------- Cisse 6.0
Dossena 8.0 --------- Carson 4.0
Lucas 7.5 --------- Riise 4.0
Skrtel 6.5 --------- Garcia 4.0
Benayoun 5.0 --------- Gonzalez 3.5
Cavalieri 4.0 --------- Kirkland 3.5
Arbeloa 2.6 --------- Pongolle 2.7
Leto 2.5 ---------- Guthrie 2.25
Ngog 1.5 ---------- Warnock 1.2
San jose 270,000 ---------- Potter 250,000
Cooper 200,000 ---------- O Donnell 100,000
Kacaniklic 75,000
Voronin + Degen 4mill signing on!

All from Jan 2007 onwards, im sure yiz can do the math yourselves!!

ps Ritchie Itanje was a freebie what was his signing on?

yes but dont forget also the money spent on bellamy/crouch/morientes/cisse aswell in the in section

[RedMurph08]

yes but dont forget also the money spent on bellamy/crouch/morientes/cisse aswell in the in section

Last 2 years Trucker said thats what ive put up

[SOC]

Honest to god darby the captain of the reserves who wom the league is not even getting a look in in a position we are struggling in . Insua proves that some of those lads can step up, it still baffles me that spearing or nemeth hasnt got a decent run out

I would agree with u on that, I have wondered why Nemeth hasn't figured more. If N'Gog is on the bench then why cant it be Nemeth on the bench instead and give him a run.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Have a bad feeling that we're going to LOSE today-can see fooking tuncay or someone popping up:(

I did remember to wear my lucky jocks though(100% win record this season;)) so ya nevr know:D


Sorry:o:(


Not thaat angry-partl because im hamred-partly because it was inevitble-m we were never gona win with half fit ste an d no nando:(

[MrsPepe]

Sorry:o:(


Not thaat angry-partl because im hamred-partly because it was inevitble-m we were never gona win with half fit ste an d no nando:(

hammered u say:D:D:D

[JohnnyChimpo]

There is this massive urban myth about Vidic and Liverpool. There was a number of top clubs in for Vidic, including us. He was allowed by Spartak Moscow to talk to any clubs willing to pay the asking price. So he was in talks with us yes, but no more than he was in talks with anyone else. He said he was a United fan growing up, and once they came in for him, there was no other team for him as far as he was concerned.

Parry not sending a fax is a case of purplemonkeydishwasher and chinese whispers. I know there has been instances in the past where Parry was slow to act, but that fax thing is just something that has been made up and blown way out of proportion.

Unless someone would like to post some credible evidence to suggest otherwise.

[JohnnyChimpo]

yes but dont forget also the money spent on bellamy/crouch/morientes/cisse aswell in the in section
Rafa didn't sign Cisse.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Have a bad feeling that we're going to LOSE today-can see fooking tuncay or someone popping up:(

I did remember to wear my lucky jocks though(100% win record this season;)) so ya nevr know:D

hammered u say:D:D:D


yup-im realy sad wen i wake up 2tomorrow:(gona be realy fde[pressed-we were AWFUL today but wi expected it:(:(:(:(

[RedMurph08]

yup-im realy sad wen i wake up 2tomorrow:(gona be realy fde[pressed-we were AWFUL today but wi expected it:(:(:(:(

:D:D

[MrsPepe]

yup-im realy sad wen i wake up 2tomorrow:(gona be realy fde[pressed-we were AWFUL today but wi expected it:(:(:(:(

Dont worry mate, reading bk on these will make u laugh:D

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Dont worry mate, reading bk on these will make u laugh:D


Whio'se BK???anyway-i never thought that we would wion thes league bein honest-if we win in europe and finish within 5-7 in leaguwe il be hoppy enough-can t reralistically expect to come forth and then to ein titlewithin the space of a year-it takes time-we need more optionds from bench and we'll be serious contenderds next year!

[trucker]

ps Ritchie Itanje was a freebie what was his signing on?

Itandje cost the club £2.5m he was not a freebie.

[RedMurph08]

Itandje cost the club £2.5m he was not a freebie.

In a transfer fee?

[Alex Raisbeck]

I would agree with u on that, I have wondered why Nemeth hasn't figured more. If N'Gog is on the bench then why cant it be Nemeth on the bench instead and give him a run.

He went out on loan to Blackpool and is injured with a broken cheekbone.

[robbie st leger]

Rafa didn't sign Cisse.

rafa joined liverpool 16TH JUNE 2004 - cisse signed 1st July 04 - minor detail

[trucker]

Last 2 years Trucker said thats what ive put up

The money taken in is not the debate here, i'm talking about the money wasted in the last 2 seasons, 2 years ago Rafa said we have a great spine(which we do) and only need to improve wide areas 2 years on were no better off than we were.

[RedMurph08]

rafa joined liverpool 16TH JUNE 2004 - cisse signed 1st July 04 - minor detail

Deal was already in place from Houllier

[F@ces]

Reina
Picks Himself

......
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In Rafa I Trust

+1 mate. An excellent level headed post.

I don't know who said avoid match day threads, but I wish I listened, I would have saved myself a headache.

Mind those knees chaps....

[Fowler-9-]

The money taken in is not the debate here, i'm talking about the money wasted in the last 2 seasons, 2 years ago Rafa said we have a great spine(which we do) and only need to improve wide areas 2 years on were no better off than we were.

Maybe thats because he never got the player he wanted to play on the left? (Barry)

[robbie st leger]

Deal was already in place from Houllier

as i said it was a minor detail but could easily have stopped it had he not fancied him aswell which i believe he did at valencia - anyway this is getting away from the fact that without our 2 best players we had a pitiful bench to call upon when we were in a hole.

[CrazyHorse]

rafa joined liverpool 16TH JUNE 2004 - cisse signed 1st July 04 - minor detail

Houllier signed Cisse before he was axed, on a pre contract, he was not a Rafa signing.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Chill-parry gone-rafa on a new conrtact and owners that are new once yabks or gone and this years tit;e challenfge will; give us confidence and beliedf for years to come.good times onthje horizon-we're so close to 19!!

[dking]

Torres,
Maschereno,
Cavaleri,
Itandje,
Yossi,
Keane
Degen(£2m signing on fee)
Voronin(£2m signing on fee)
Did we just Conviently forget these players?

Last 2 years in? ------ Out
Torres 20.2 mill -------- Keane 15
Keane 19 mill --------- Crouch 11
Mascherano 18.6 --------- Momo 8.2
Babel 10.5 --------- Bellamy 7.5
Riera 8.0 --------- Cisse 6.0
Dossena 8.0 --------- Carson 4.0
Lucas 7.5 --------- Riise 4.0
Skrtel 6.5 --------- Garcia 4.0
Benayoun 5.0 --------- Gonzalez 3.5
Cavalieri 4.0 --------- Kirkland 3.5
Arbeloa 2.6 --------- Pongolle 2.7
Leto 2.5 ---------- Guthrie 2.25
Ngog 1.5 ---------- Warnock 1.2
San jose 270,000 ---------- Potter 250,000
Cooper 200,000 ---------- O Donnell 100,000
Kacaniklic 75,000
Voronin + Degen 4mill signing on!

All from Jan 2007 onwards, im sure yiz can do the math yourselves!!

ps Ritchie Itanje was a freebie what was his signing on?


murph your confusing the thread with FACTS.


im not debating the team selection ,some of rafas buys, tactics, timing of subs etc etc etc here as that imho IS up for debate but we have to br realistic when saying we' wasted X amount when its not true and we REALISE can NOT compete with other Teams in the spending.

we are all in this together.

[RedMurph08]

The money taken in is not the debate here, i'm talking about the money wasted in the last 2 seasons, 2 years ago Rafa said we have a great spine(which we do) and only need to improve wide areas 2 years on were no better off than we were.

Ritchie you cant spout that he has wasted 120mill when he has recouped almost 75mill of it and then say the money taken back in is not for debate!!
People forget that demento blew alot of money on Veron for eg and Chelsea on Shevchenko eg big money flops, Rafa hasnt got this luxury and is therefore shopping in bargain basement hoping to unearth a gem. Do you not think if he had it his own way in the transfer market getting his 1st choice targets we would be better of and have better strength in depth?

[trucker]

In a transfer fee?

Yes £2.5m from Lens

[trucker]

Ritchie you cant spout that he has wasted 120mill when he has recouped almost 75mill of it and then say the money taken back in is not for debate!!
People forget that demento blew alot of money on Veron for eg and Chelsea on Shevchenko eg big money flops, Rafa hasnt got this luxury and is therefore shopping in bargain basement hoping to unearth a gem. Do you not think if he had it his own way in the transfer market getting his 1st choice targets we would be better of and have better strength in depth?

I'm not taking about other clubs the fact of the matter is Bar Torres no player signed in the last 2 years has raised the bar for us, so I dont see any improvement, only difference this season we're usually 10 points behind by Christmas this season we got till the end of febuary. Are you seriously trying to say the likes of Lucas Dossena Babel who were signed for over £25m is scraping the Barrel? No its not its called shit scouting and this is his call.

[RedMurph08]

I'm not taking about other clubs the fact of the matter is Bar Torres no player signed in the last 2 years has raised the bar for us, so I dont see any improvement, only difference this season we're usually 10 points behind by Christmas this season we got till the end of febuary. Are you seriously trying to say the likes of Lucas Dossena Babel who were signed for over £25m is scraping the Barrel? No its not its called shit scouting and this is his call.

Hardly shit scouting Lucas at the time was 1 of the hottest young talent in South America and Babels potential was there for all to see, he had a host of top European clubs looking for him, Dossena...........well he has lost a few kilos since he came!:p

[rushiekop]

Horrible result today. No doubt now the mancs will equal our 18 titles which is a sickening thought. I hope we pick it up again against Sunderland because we dont want to be drawn into a battle for fourth. YNWA.

[shibox]

The pain of todays result is begining to ease a little. (one Ireland win, and a bottle of wine later). Now wonder if taht beer is cool enough yet.

[robbie st leger]

will take a lot more than an ireland rugby win and wine to ease the pain for me - sorry but rugby win does not ease it for me tuesday cannot come quick enough - only a spurs win tomorrow can stop this weekend from getting any worse

[stamullenredmen]

will take a lot more than an ireland rugby win and wine to ease the pain for me - sorry but rugby win does not ease it for me tuesday cannot come quick enough - only a spurs win tomorrow can stop this weekend from getting any worse

its only the league cup hardly a big fish now is it

[robbie st leger]

no but more gloating from them cnuts i can do without thanks very much

[MrsPepe]

The pain of todays result is begining to ease a little. (one Ireland win, and a bottle of wine later). Now wonder if taht beer is cool enough yet.

bottle baileys myself, only thing in the house:(

[rushiekop]

its only the league cup hardly a big fish now is it

If the mancs win it'll probably be renamed the world champions league cup. Its only regarded a mickey mouse cup when others win it.

[Gray72]

Do you know what, every week I make a promise not to moan about the team and every week I do, for good reason!! The season just goes from bad to worse and we don't have one player who is consistentlky performing from the team, to the staff and the boardroom. They are all having a stinker and it just gets more painful as the daggers come out for us every sunday morning.

This game today had a familar picture. Dominance in possession and attempts and the useful poor finishing and lack of invention and composure. The Parry/Gillett/Hicks/Benitez saga hides the real problem which is on the pitch. Mascherano has underperformed after showing up for Argentina in the Olympics. Torres has been constantly injured after staring for Spain in the Euros. We wasted £20m in buying someone, selling them and not replacing them. We let Pennant and the young Argey gon after he experienced work permit problems afterwe spent £3m on him. Dossena showed up looking like a Conference player and was joined by the pub player Lucas. So we had a bad summer in the transfer market, we just didn't strengthen.

The stubborness of the manager has seen us left short up front with only Torres a goalscorer. The continued shuffling of established players in positions alien to him is just a masterstroke! Skertel at right back is just an amazing decision. We have spent a lot on the youth set up and we have El Zsahr to show in the last 4 years. He missed two sitters today. Kuyt again missed sitters and do I need to go on. This team is just woeful at the moment and if Torres and Gerrard don't perform we don't.

Wath ManUtd play a front four of Tevez, Rooney, Berbatov and Ronaldo tomorrow. Compare that with our front four of Kuyt, Babel, El Zahr and Gerrard today and the difference is clear. We just don't have the strength in depth to compare and just where are we going from here? Boro had three shots on target today to our 7, marvellous!!:mad:

[Niall]

Just in from this and honestly the worst performance i have ever seen from a Liverpool team. No heart, no fight, no nothing. Hope i am not going over the top.

[liverbird!!]

Hardly shit scouting Lucas at the time was 1 of the hottest young talent in South America and Babels potential was there for all to see, he had a host of top European clubs looking for him, Dossena...........well he has lost a few kilos since he came!:p



They were great talents until Rafa got at them. He has distroyed their confidence and has ruined these players in my opinion. And afew others at the club.

[liverbird!!]

Just in from this and honestly the worst performance i have ever seen from a Liverpool team. No heart, no fight, no nothing. Hope i am not going over the top.

Niall mate,

Don't beat yourself up over this. until the manager stops fcuking about with the team we will never win the league simple as! Chelsea fielded a full team today and we field players that haven't played league games in weeks/Months he will never learn:mad:

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Just in from this and honestly the worst performance i have ever seen from a Liverpool team. No heart, no fight, no nothing. Hope i am not going over the top.

Have to agree but not all that gutted surprisingly as it was inevutable with a half fit stevie and no nando that we'd be toothless.****ing knew we'd lose today.Boro have a great record v the big 4 at the riverside but thats no excuse.

[TubbyReina]

was never confident goin into this game,we never do well against boro,especially at the riverside.and its another bad result there also 4m yesterday.just leaves ye shakin yer head alot,doesnt it?
not 1 player looked up for it,the way things are recentley,has made me just shrug my shoulders and just look to the next game,but it becomin de ja vu.
lost for words,as its the same things being said every week

[Bobill]

New to this forum. Reading through the comments it's plain to see us Pool supporters are divided on Rafa, for what it's worth I think he should go at the end of the season, he's bought too many average players, tinkers with the team too much, ruins the confidence of players in form by not playing them, and yesterday took the biscuit playing Skirtel at right back a position he's never played before and it showed. Lots of fans say he's took us on further than our last manager that's debatable 2 major trophies in nearly 5 years not good enough. I've never being a fan of Rafa, don't like the way he sets his team up to play, way too negative he's more worried about the opposition rather than letting the opposition worrier about us. Won't sign a contract wants everything in it but the kitchen sink, wouldn't mind if he was successful but what does he have to bargain with, boring boring football that's what he's brought to Liverpool FC who were renowned all over the world for playing football the way it's meant to be played not huff and puff and put the opposition under pressure the Charlton way, the sooner he's gone the better and take most of the rubbish he's bought with him.

[redspider]

Middlesboro 2-0 Liverpool

That was painful and puts a nail in the coffin of our tite race hopes. Its not the final nail perhaps yet, but only Man Utd can lose it now.

I agree with what you wrote Gray72.

The decision to play Skrtel at right back was an attempt to keep Downing under wraps perhaps, maybe Carra also thought that he himself wouldnt have the pace and that Skrtel was/is faster. That may have been the agreed plan based on the training ground, but it clearly backfired.

We were also unlucky in the match. We did create chances and should have scored. On another day, maybe one or two would have gone in and people on here would be happy. But we all know that there are many positions on the pitch which are not being fulfilled in the way that they should whatever the result. And we lack scorers. Stevie G did a lot of hard work and played well I thought (I only saw highlights on MotD) but he cant always win a match on his own. A fit Torres on the pitch may have been enough.

But Boro created chances too. So what with a defensive unit slightly askew, and an attacking unit lacking teeth, the result was not totally surprising. We however probably at least deserved a draw.

With this position now in the league, Rafa will optimise for the CL, that is clear. He is probably right to do so given our situation. It is actually easier to get a result (draw) in a european match than to beat Stoke handsomely, at least it is for our systems, personnel, attributes, etc.

The league table is now:

62 Man Utd (p26)
61
60
59
58
57
56
55 Chelsea, Liverpool
54
53
52
51 Aston Villa (p26)
50
49
48
47
46 Arsenal
45
44 Everton


If we do aim to win the league next season, its clear we will need new personnel. However, Liverpool FC may not be in a position to invest. The club/owners are 350 million in debt, which is due in June/July. We are at the mercies of the potential new owners who may be asset stippers rather than benefactors.

Perillous times may loom for Liverpool FC .... hold onto your hat.

In the meantime, lets hopefully enjoy the CL ride. I am sure Rafa and the players will pull out all the stops to go as far as they can in that one.

Redspider

[Rover 609]

Anyone got a cure for someone with a pain in there swiss??????

I have a fu'ckin MEGA one!!!!!!!!!!!

Babel do us a favour and fu'ck off!!! SG didnt want to be on that pitch yesterday,not his fault,i can understand.

Pubs il be full of manc cu'nts today im gonna break me crutches over 1 of the cu'nts heads.Cant believe a shite team that played shite beat us,they hadnt a clue what the fu'ck was goin on,ive seen bizarre things but yesterday took the fu'ckin jacobs.!!!!!!!!!!!

[sean]

Babel do us a favour and fu'ck off!!!

He was the biggest disappointment in a game full of them yesterday. Going missing for large parts of the game, pulling out of tackles that were his for the winning, not arsed tracking back and constantly running into the centre of the park when he should have been giving Fabio an option out on the wing. A disgrace to the jersey imo.

[trucker]

He was the biggest disappointment in a game full of them yesterday. Going missing for large parts of the game, pulling out of tackles that were his for the winning, not arsed tracking back and constantly running into the centre of the park when he should have been giving Fabio an option out on the wing. A disgrace to the jersey imo.

Thats basically Babel in a nutshell, your correct not fit to wear the jersey.

[Garrett]

We should put him out on loan til the end of the season ...

playing for Cardiff or Milwall,

that would teach him ;)

[MR KING KENNY]

there's only 5 players worth keeping at liverpool, they need to clean out the squad, im losing faith in RAGA benitez, I know hes saying that a lot of the players there are not his, but alot of them are, lucas cant pass 10 yards without giving the ball away, but RAGA, thinks he can make a differance, babbel plays for himself, the list goes on, besides torres the stikers are noway near good enough to play for liverpool, we had keane and RAGA made a fool out of him, if he showed the same support that he gives to lucas im sure keane would be scoring week by week, im sick of standing up for raga benitez, he had long enough, and me thinks its time to call it a day, or this time next year we'll be in the same place as we are now.

[NiallD]

there's only 5 players worth keeping at liverpool, they need to clean out the squad, im losing faith in RAGA benitez, I know hes saying that a lot of the players there are not his, but alot of them are, lucas cant pass 10 yards without giving the ball away, but RAGA, thinks he can make a differance, babbel plays for himself, the list goes on, besides torres the stikers are noway near good enough to play for liverpool, we had keane and RAGA made a fool out of him, if he showed the same support that he gives to lucas im sure keane would be scoring week by week, im sick of standing up for raga benitez, he had long enough, and me thinks its time to call it a day, or this time next year we'll be in the same place as we are now.

Who are they?

[MR KING KENNY]

Who are they?
steve g
torres
jc23
alonso
pepe
now theres one or two players that are good enough skrtel and fab

[CrazyHorse]

Who are they?

To hazard a guess, I'd say they are Reina, Carragher, Alonso, Gerrard & Torres.

There are other players in the squad worth keeping though..

[NiallD]

steve g
torres
jc23
alonso
pepe
now theres one or two players that are good enough skrtel and fab

Good enough but not to hold on to? And agger and mascherano should be gotten rid of aswell? Insua?

[MR KING KENNY]

I like agger,