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Should Stan go?

Discussion in 'International Football' started by phil, Sep 15, 2007.

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Should the FAI sack Stan

Poll closed Sep 22, 2007.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. phil

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    Personally I reckon he should stay, at least until the first 2 or3 W.C Q.s. Then, if results haven't improved, look for a new man. Let's have a poll. Comments welcome.
     
  2. Aido82

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    defo should go, national team is going nowhere at the minute

    we havent qualified for a final since 2002, which for the fans and followers is not acceptable
     
  3. phil

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    So who would you put in his place? The FAI weren't inundated with applicants after Brian Kerr was sacked. Who'd want the job?
     
  4. sean

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    I think he should stay.

    Before the game in Prague we were unbeaten in nine games, scoring in all but one. He's brought in some amount of youth and fair play to him for it. Too often under McCarthy and Kerr people wanted the young fellas to be brought through but we only got to see cameo appearances. Stan has showed balls in bringing them through and I have no doubt it will stand to us big time in the WC qualifiers. Scotland blooded youth for the past 3 years, and now look at them. No point replacing him for the sake of it, he's the one who knows this team the best, and I'm gonna back him to the end, which will hopefully be in Johannesburg in 2010 :D
     
  5. callyno3

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    He's gotta go in my opinion. I don't know anyone else who would have picked the sides he has put out for ireland in the last few matches.
    Nothin against the guy but he is just not up to the task.
    As for who to get in? I'm not sure but there has to be some one with more experience, qualifications and a bit of pesonality than him,( and by personality I'm not havin ago I mean can you see him giving an inspiring speech in the dressing room? I certainly can't).
    Houllier is not doin much at the moment ;)
     
  6. sean

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    Houllier has been announced as the French director of football, the same role he had when they won the WC in 98.

    As for Stan picking the wrong teams, I'm not totally convinced by that argument. Towards the end of the Kerr era O'Shea was played left back and was brutal - can't remember him playing there much for Man U since. Kelly play left back against the Czech's last October and was absolutely superb. As for not playing Hunt I saw where he was coming from there too. We were away from home, and with Kilbane being the more defensive left mid I imagine thats why Hunt was left on the bench.
     
  7. megager

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    Of course he should be sacked. I dont buy this blooding young players, sure he picks them, but then they go out and lose, it cant be good for their developement.

    Personally a more prudent poll maybe should the FAI sack delaney. I lay the blame for the national teams demise at his door
     
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    Is this a joke?

    He's clearly not a manager, and i do not blame him, completely blame the fai, but he still has to go, and then (unfortunately) its up to the fai to find a new one!
     
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    Houllier was very much tongue in cheek:)

    As for Hunt, sorry but I don't buy into that argument. yeah we were away from home ..... but in a win or nothing game!!! Hunt is one of the inform wingers in the premiership.

    Kilbane has been a very compotent full back for wigan this season. while in the slovak game both full backs looked anything other than compotent!

    Meager is spot on bout Delaney though. he promised a top world class manager and clearly he didn't deliver.

    Not to forget the ommision of Carsley from the squad from the Cyprus game when we were cryin out for an experienced midfielder

    Please don't think this is a stan bashing post I like the man respect him but just don't think he is good enough.
     
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    Hi

    Much as I hate to say it, I agree with much of what Dunphy recently said, it was after the last match on TV ....

    Basically, he reckons (as do I), that Stan should go ... he was a great player, but is not a well experienced, trained or high performing manager. Granted, Dunphy made a bit of a fool of himself, comparing the role to that of a train driver, but otherwise he was spot on.

    Dunphy went on to blame the FAI for all of this & I cannot but agree with him. In short,

    - Stan's a decent guy, did great things for the Irish national team in the past and desves respect, as a former player

    - Stan's not a well experienced manager, he needs 15-20 years experience with large teams before taking on the role of national manager

    - The FAI are too bloomin tight to spend Christmas & this is the true problem here. They need to get their wallets out (God knows, they've been fattened thanks to Croker etc) & spend some dosh on a decent manager, bring in a good experienced international manager .. a proven achiever ! (at lease this way, we'll get the best out of the players we have and perhaps, attract a few new ones too ! ;))
     
  11. Kopite

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    I think he should stay. The treatment he has had from the Irish media has been a disgrace, particularily one journalist who has taken to slaggin off the whole town of dundalk. Also that muppet Michael Mc Mullin on today fms phone in show takes pleasure in shouting down people who try and support Staunton. If you had Guss Hiddink in charge of Ireland on 3 million euro a year would the performances be any better....I dont think so. He was a hero as player for Ireland and he deserves to be given more time in WC 2010 quailfiers.
     
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    I do.

    There is noone disagreeing with stan's stature as a player, it's as a manager I'm questioning.Now is the time to get the most out of this Irish Team!
     
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    He should go but not before Delaney goes!! He hired him after all!! Placing your faith in an unproven manager shows poor leadership and an ability to make important decisions!
     
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    hes got to go and a re vemp of the fai is needed
     
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    OK, I have Staunton colured spectacles on as I am from the same area, but the lad needs a bit of time and patience from the fans (particualry the Liverpool fans). We still have a couple of important games to go in Croke park that could determine what seeding we get in WC qualifiers and I for one will be in Croke park screaming my head off for the lads and the manager. I think we are getting to much like the English and demanding a change in manager when things are not goin too well. Poor Eddie O Sullivan!
     
  16. JJK

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    I think he should go the partnership with sir Bob did not work out,
    you need somebody who has managed at league level;i think for the
    money they are offering the best we could hope for would be somebody like Aldo, he has experince and has passion .
     
  17. Kopite

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    I absolutely love Aldo, and I do not think he would be the worst choice as Ireland manager, but Its not right to say that he would have more passion than Stan:confused:

    Stephen isn't the best at talking or dealing with the press but he is as passionate of an irishman there is.
     
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    I don't think Hunt, as effective a young midfielder that we have with no dead Granny delusions, has started a competitive match yet for Ireland whilst McGeady has at least the last two. To me it sums up the team selection even Kelly has had 3 starts (last two and Czechs at home). Twice when he came on at Croker he electricified the crowd, which nobody that was there would deny, and caused the same immediate upgrade in urgency against the Czechs.

    I know not much can be done about playing the likes of the plainly awful O'Shea because of lack of players but to put Finnan and then Kelly out of position to accommodate him is another joke when he can equally ineffective on either side. Something which was somewhat overlooked was Duff's much improved displays at Croker when he had the confidence of knowing that Finnan was behind him to cover, overlap and actually interchange passes (I know this indirectly justifies playing Finnan at left back but when you only have one decent full back in your team you play him in his position over the vastly inferior player).

    To me both Stan's use of O'Shea (not in playing him but in doing so at right back instead of Finnan or at least giving Kelly a decent chance in his natual position) and lack of use of Hunt alone is enough to highlight his ineptitude in the simple task of selecting from even a small band of decent players. There's other factors like against Slovakia picking the Cyprus midfield again and absolutely God damn awful substitutions on top of an errant team selection to start with. No lessons ever seem to be learned and I doubt the stats about how many players were blooded as they're obviously cynical because the States non-events make up prob more than half of those (maybe he actually had some foresight there to cover his arse with some weak stats) and he's was too slow to see which are our better quality players.

    I don't think he should be replaced with Aldo or Whelan or any ex-player but a proper manager should be given the next 3 "competitive" games to bed in rather than using up two more years of our precious fan time and patience "adjusting". Wasn't Daglish being moted before or how about a part time role for O'Neill whilst keeping his Villa position. Typical FAI just went for the cheap option and someone that they could control no matter how many times he reiterated that he was the gaffa or the FAI paid lip service to the most ridiculous interview charade ever (the English FA gave them a run for their money mind)
     
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    Your right about the money, I'll give you that! You've got to wonder how much extra money has been pumped into the FAI thanks to the two Croke Park games last March, two more in a few weeks, and the Brazil game already set up for next February. I wonder will we see it all distributed to the grass roots level, or have a handy few payrises been dished out around the board table...
     
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    stan should go by the end of campaign to give someone new a chance to work with the team
     

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