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damoirl1

11-09-2007, 01:21 PM

The title speaks for itself, who was the real God....?

callyno3

11-09-2007, 01:23 PM

Feckin hell man how can ya even ask that question Fowler was God end of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Terry Conlon

11-09-2007, 01:23 PM

No contest, ROBBIE all the way every time. There is only one GOD!

SUPERFAN

11-09-2007, 01:25 PM

The title speaks for itself, who was the real God....?
for me,the real God is Kenny Dalglish.
Owen V Fowler = no Contest-FOWLER!

Terry Conlon

11-09-2007, 01:30 PM

Nobody will argue with KING KENNY, but as for owen, he is no where near ROBBIE FOWLER!

paddyb

11-09-2007, 01:54 PM

has to be Fowler

RastaRed

11-09-2007, 01:55 PM

King Kenny is still the best player to have played for the club, john barnes deserves praise, no contest between robbie and owen, there is only one GOD, fowler.

James

11-09-2007, 01:59 PM

Owen every day of the week. Fowler gave us 4 great seasons but from the first minute Owen arrived on the scene success followed. I'd love to see him come back in January if Crouch decides to ruin his career.

Daz

11-09-2007, 02:14 PM

if Crouch decides to ruin his career.

in much the same way as Owen did you mean

homer1

11-09-2007, 02:16 PM

Fowler without hesitation - most naturally gifted finisher in decades and nobody has even come close since

Malzheimer

11-09-2007, 02:21 PM

Best natural finisher we've ever had, Robbie will always be the one the only GOD, Owen doesn't even come close.

megager

11-09-2007, 02:36 PM

Robbie Fowler. Definately.

He did some silly immature things, (taunting graham Le saux was childish and I hope he regrets that, and the line snort-which I thought was brilliant actually), but those acts simply served to reflect that through robbie, God was made man.

James

11-09-2007, 02:38 PM

in much the same way as Owen did you mean

He signed for Real Madrid (arguably one of the few bigger clubs than Liverpool) and did well for them, got homesick and had to sign for Newcastle. Since then he has been crippled with injuries. Crouch is being linked with Manchester City.

Fowler was class and yes he was an amazing finisher. Owen on the other hand was the complete striker and constantly developed his game. He was also a total professional from the moment he made his debut.

As I said last week about Carra and Gerrard, I'd prefer to go for a pint with Robbie but Owen would be in my team ahead of him.

RedWally

11-09-2007, 02:53 PM

Has to be Fowler.

harrybosch

11-09-2007, 03:00 PM

Fowler,

Without a doubt...No question, Owen has nothing near the class God has................

Daz

11-09-2007, 03:01 PM

He signed for Real Madrid (arguably one of the few bigger clubs than Liverpool) and did well for them, got homesick and had to sign for Newcastle. Since then he has been crippled with injuries. Crouch is being linked with Manchester City.

he didn;t 'have' to sign for Newcastle. I actually think we would have signed him back had he held his nerve a little longer. Madrid wanted rid and we weren;t prepared to pay the foolish money the Geordies were. IMO, had he said no to Newcaslte Madrid would have accept our bid. Either way, none of that detracts from the fact that the decision he made to leave, has ultimately led to a downturn in his career

homer1

11-09-2007, 03:29 PM

He signed for Real Madrid (arguably one of the few bigger clubs than Liverpool) and did well for them, got homesick and had to sign for Newcastle. Since then he has been crippled with injuries. Crouch is being linked with Manchester City.

Fowler was class and yes he was an amazing finisher. Owen on the other hand was the complete striker and constantly developed his game. He was also a total professional from the moment he made his debut.
As I said last week about Carra and Gerrard, I'd prefer to go for a pint with Robbie but Owen would be in my team ahead of him.

I'd like to take issue on a couple of points there James

1) Owen did not HAVE to sign for Newcastle - I don't know one single incident whereby a player HAD to sign for a particular team against his wishes. A deal was done to bring Owen back to Anfield and Newcastle, desperate to land a big name striker (as always) offered £4m higher and effectively double the wages he had agreed at Anfield

He could have refused to join Newcastle and at least tried to force Madrid to let him come home but he chose not to - to ensure he got regular football so as to not jeopardise his main priority (playing for Ingerlund) he jumped at the Newcastle opportunity and took the cash - what has happened to him since is unfortunate but something I fear will haunt him for the rest of his playing career

2) Owen was never a complete striker. I loved him as a Red and will forever be endebted to him for what he did for us but he was never a complete striker and not a patch of the finisher that Robbie was. Stereotypically, there are many small, nippy strikers around (granted maybe not all at Owen's level) but how many goalscorers have there been in world football since Robbie in his heyday? People who could score with left foot or right foot, inside or outside the box with power or finesse, headers and poached goals?

dubit10

11-09-2007, 03:33 PM

Ah come on:eek:Ya cant be fookin for real like.FOWLER IS GOD.

Daz

11-09-2007, 03:36 PM

1) Owen did not HAVE to sign for Newcastle - I don't know one single incident whereby a player HAD to sign for a particular team against his wishes. A deal was done to bring Owen back to Anfield and Newcastle, desperate to land a big name striker (as always) offered £4m higher and effectively double the wages he had agreed at Anfield

He could have refused to join Newcastle and at least tried to force Madrid to let him come home but he chose not to - to ensure he got regular football so as to not jeopardise his main priority (playing for Ingerlund) he jumped at the Newcastle opportunity and took the cash -

At the time I remember seeing it described as effectively a game of poker with 4 players, LFC, Real, Newcastle and Owen. Owen couldn;t stand the heat of the game and folded his hand first. Again, showing no real desire to play for this club and for me, I was glad then he made the decision he did

homer1

11-09-2007, 04:00 PM

At the time I remember seeing it described as effectively a game of poker with 4 players, LFC, Real, Newcastle and Owen. Owen couldn;t stand the heat of the game and folded his hand first. Again, showing no real desire to play for this club and for me, I was glad then he made the decision he did

(we need a shake hands smiley :D)

That's effectively what happened mate. We saw the same thing when we were selling Baros - everyone knew we wanted rid so his price decreased somewhat. Lyon (& Hamburg I think) offered around £9m but he refused to go and ended up "having" to accept £7.5m from Villa as it was the best we could get from a club that Baros would agree to join. Owen needed to do the same, didn't have the bottle to challenge Madrid and saw Newcastle as an easy way out - over £100k a week, being idolised by thousands of thick and deranged Geordies and an assurance to be able to play regularly enough for his real goal & main priority, the World Cup

Any notion that Owen was FORCED to sign for Newcastle is naive to say the least

James

11-09-2007, 04:16 PM

I'd like to take issue on a couple of points there James

1) Owen did not HAVE to sign for Newcastle - I don't know one single incident whereby a player HAD to sign for a particular team against his wishes. A deal was done to bring Owen back to Anfield and Newcastle, desperate to land a big name striker (as always) offered £4m higher and effectively double the wages he had agreed at Anfield

He could have refused to join Newcastle and at least tried to force Madrid to let him come home but he chose not to - to ensure he got regular football so as to not jeopardise his main priority (playing for Ingerlund) he jumped at the Newcastle opportunity and took the cash - what has happened to him since is unfortunate but something I fear will haunt him for the rest of his playing career

2) Owen was never a complete striker. I loved him as a Red and will forever be endebted to him for what he did for us but he was never a complete striker and not a patch of the finisher that Robbie was. Stereotypically, there are many small, nippy strikers around (granted maybe not all at Owen's level) but how many goalscorers have there been in world football since Robbie in his heyday? People who could score with left foot or right foot, inside or outside the box with power or finesse, headers and poached goals?

1) Real still owed Newcastle for Woodgate and this is why their offer was so much bigger than ours. We couldn't afford to match the bid so this left one team so he had a choice of making sub appearances or being first choice for an English club on the eve of the World Cup. He didn't have much choice to me.

2) Robbie in his hey day was 3 great seasons in a team of playboys. He had the ability to achieve what Owen has but didn't do it. Owen has shone on every stage he has stepped on and has a European Player of the Year trophy to look back on.Unless you are a complete player in your position or very close to being you don't win that trophy.
The answer to your last question is Michael Owen.

homer1

11-09-2007, 04:39 PM

1) Real still owed Newcastle for Woodgate and this is why their offer was so much bigger than ours. We couldn't afford to match the bid so this left one team so he had a choice of making sub appearances or being first choice for an English club on the eve of the World Cup. He didn't have much choice to me.

2) Robbie in his hey day was 3 great seasons in a team of playboys. He had the ability to achieve what Owen has but didn't do it. Owen has shone on every stage he has stepped on and has a European Player of the Year trophy to look back on.Unless you are a complete player in your position or very close to being you don't win that trophy.
The answer to your last question is Michael Owen.

Hi Michael :D

The fact that Madrid owed Newcastle money was irrelevant except for reasons of cashflow. If Owen didn't want to go to Newcastle, they could have offered £100m and wouldn't have made the slightest difference. He signed for Newcastle in August 05, the World Cup was in June 06, hardly the eve of the World Cup mate. He could have held out & pushed for the Liverpool move if he wished, worst case scenario would have been they refused, he continued to do what he was doing for Madrid - playing spasmodically but doing the biz when called upon - which would still have been enough to give him a guarenteed start for England. He CHOSE the comfortable option, no doubt about it in my mind

Don't get me wrong, I think Michael has been a great player and has shown it for us, for Madrid & for England (as well as his few Newcastle games), however I think he is far from a complete player. Throughout his career he has relied on his pace, which isn't a criticism BTW, he is a very good finisher, decent in the air and as the years went on his left foot improved a lot. But to be a complete player he would need to be an excellent finisher which I would not say he is, he is not great in the air, he does not have skill to beat players & doesn't score from outside the box. Comparisons with what Fowler achieved aren't exactly accurate either, you have to remember that Ged built his whole team around Owen, something Fowler never had the luxury of

Michael has had a great career and I hope he will have for many more years, however I think his injuries will take their toll (as Robbie's did before him) and I believe we will not see the old Michael again - if you were to ask every top coach in the world which would they prefer, a player with Owen's attributes at the top of his game or a natural predator like Fowler at the top of his, the majority would take God without batting an eyelid

SUPERFAN

11-09-2007, 04:43 PM

The 100 Players Who Shook The Kop
4th Robbie Fowler
14th Michael Owen.
there has to be a reason for that.....

Since 1892 hundreds of players have represented this club but everyone has their own particular favourites so don't expect this list to be based solely on talent. The greatness of a player can be measured in many ways – obviously, his ability on the pitch is the most important, but 100 PWSTK is much more than that. It's about the impact the individuals chosen have had on this club, be it for a variety of reasons. Maybe it was because of their unique rapport with the crowd, a specific incident that has never been forgotten or anything else that has left a lasting impression.

mmstack

11-09-2007, 04:49 PM

Robbie' was the best natural finisher since Jimmy Greaves. He was and always will be GOD. KING KENNY is a LEGEND. Phenomenal striker and club man. Best player ever to play for us and the way he held it all together when Hillsborough happened. The dignity he showed during those very dark days. Shows what a man he is... LEGEND..... Showed what a club we are....

homer1

11-09-2007, 04:52 PM

callyno3

11-09-2007, 05:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8nYZpe4v10

yodabenitez

11-09-2007, 05:43 PM

Robbie Fowler, son of Ian Rush was then, is now & always will be GOD.

The other lad,:) super striker but not GOD.

Damian keating

11-09-2007, 06:34 PM

No contest, ROBBIE all the way every time. There is only one GOD!
eventhough he was a toffe he was the anfeild prince

Alex Raisbeck

11-09-2007, 06:43 PM

It has to be Fowler in my opinion.
In a time of despair he broke through and helped to make us a club who began to challenge for trophies again.
Also he rallied against the establishments and was one of us.

phil

11-09-2007, 08:24 PM

can't believe this is even up for debate. 1 God, Robbie, end of...

redsquirreler

11-09-2007, 08:33 PM

has ro be fowler by a long shot
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corkkopite

11-09-2007, 09:43 PM

Got to be Fowler, Was a better finisher by far.

Paul

12-09-2007, 08:36 AM

Robbie without doubt, not even worth arguing about :rolleyes:

david_w

12-09-2007, 08:42 AM

Fowler without a doubt.

clarni

12-09-2007, 10:00 AM

Owen was great....but...Fowler:)

James

12-09-2007, 11:28 AM

Hi Michael :D

The fact that Madrid owed Newcastle money was irrelevant except for reasons of cashflow. If Owen didn't want to go to Newcastle, they could have offered £100m and wouldn't have made the slightest difference. He signed for Newcastle in August 05, the World Cup was in June 06, hardly the eve of the World Cup mate. He could have held out & pushed for the Liverpool move if he wished, worst case scenario would have been they refused, he continued to do what he was doing for Madrid - playing spasmodically but doing the biz when called upon - which would still have been enough to give him a guarenteed start for England. He CHOSE the comfortable option, no doubt about it in my mind

Take the red tinted glasses off and think about what your saying - if you were Owen you would of preferred to sit on the bench with the World Cup on the horizon and hope that Liverpool can sort out their financial problems to rescue you!!! He chose the only other option that was on the table. The fact that he put in the 9m release clause goes to show is heart wasn't in Newcastle. It was all about the football but injuries have hampered his escape route and trust me if he keeps scoring (and that includes goals from outside the box like Saturday and with his head like vs Wigan) Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal will take notice.

Once again this is just my opinion and I believe Owen will always be a better footballer than Fowler. Fowler was a better finisher no doubts about it but that wasn't the question.

homer1

12-09-2007, 11:52 AM

Take the red tinted glasses off and think about what your saying - if you were Owen you would of preferred to sit on the bench with the World Cup on the horizon and hope that Liverpool can sort out their financial problems to rescue you!!! He chose the only other option that was on the table. The fact that he put in the 9m release clause goes to show is heart wasn't in Newcastle. It was all about the football but injuries have hampered his escape route and trust me if he keeps scoring (and that includes goals from outside the box like Saturday and with his head like vs Wigan) Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal will take notice.

Once again this is just my opinion and I believe Owen will always be a better footballer than Fowler. Fowler was a better finisher no doubts about it but that wasn't the question.

OK mate, opinions differ and we're going around in circles but I respect yours none-the-less

I will not agree though that he HAD to join Newcastle as it is factually incorrect and as for the top teams taking note, not one of the big teams took note when he was coming back to England (when he was in top form and relatively injury free) and none since. Can't say what will happen in the future but the run of injuries he has had makes him a massive risk - his cost will decrease as his contracts runs down and other clauses kick in which may make him a more justifiable risk in the future but who knows

Garrett

12-09-2007, 11:53 AM

It always was & always will be Robbie Fowler imho

vodkacolly

12-09-2007, 12:30 PM

Robbie, always was and always will be. Amen.

callyno3

12-09-2007, 12:36 PM

Looks like robbie is the clear winner by an overwhelming majority:)

davidsatelle100

12-09-2007, 01:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8nYZpe4v10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPr-TvRyJZc&NR=1

this one shows the real class of the man we call GOD

and fowler everytime

The Kopfather

12-09-2007, 01:18 PM

I can't believe this is even up for discussion

Fowler is god

Soarersan

12-09-2007, 01:51 PM

gav003

13-09-2007, 01:00 AM

Fowler has the name god for a reaon and he will remain god for anybody who has been lucky enough to see him... end of... but he was cut short in his prime and for some unexplicable reason was not given his chance early for England when he was the main threat in the league. Owen arrived... delivered. Owen never failed to impress- whether it was goals, workrate, opportunity... Fowler was kept as a maybe, previously, when he was the ultimate scorer in the league & never given a proper chance on an international level.

What I am trying to say do is Fowler is god. Owen has almost as much talent and the little bit of luck god never got on an internaional stage.

Terry Conlon

13-09-2007, 09:37 AM

I still believe Owen never got the recognition/support that Robbie got from the terraces. Maybe it was Owen was so clean cut, and Robbie was a bit of a scally.
Whatever way you look at it, they were both excellent goalscorers.
But I reckon Fowler shades it in terms of pure finishing ability.

Robbie would have died for the club. Owen legged to Madrid when he thaught he was on to a better thing. I'd say he was sick watching ISTANBUL. Did you see how upset Robbie was after his last game! Michael Owen great player but certainly no GOD!

Juz

14-09-2007, 09:14 AM

Robbie no question im actually sick that treacherous little git is mentioned on the one sentence as god.

"im off to Real to win things" GOOD SHUT THE DOOR ON YOUR WAY OUT AND DONT COME BACK.

JUZ

fitzpatrickgary

14-09-2007, 11:34 AM

no question folwer one of the greatest finishers ever

JJK

14-09-2007, 11:56 AM

fowler no doubt about it, would have loved if he had got on
the field in athens..

sean

14-09-2007, 01:56 PM

Fowler, no question. Great footballer and genuine love of the club. Michael never seemed to have the love and desire that Robbie had playing for us.

dave

14-09-2007, 05:18 PM

I can't believe this is even up for discussion

Fowler is god

Same as that mate.

flashm

14-09-2007, 05:21 PM

God without a doubt, the best finisher since the legend RUSH.

dave

14-09-2007, 05:24 PM

I can't believe this is even up for discussion

Fowler is god

God without a doubt, the finisher since the legend RUSH.

Rush was never a finisher, a poacher yes, a finisher from all angles, no.

Fowler was THE best natural finisher in the world at one stage.

Rogie

14-09-2007, 05:50 PM

Definetly Owen for me.

vodkacolly

16-09-2007, 04:52 PM

Rush was never a finisher, a poacher yes, a finisher from all angles, no.

Fowler was THE best natural finisher in the world at one stage.

Rush was more than just a poacher! :eek:He was no Lineker. Admittedly he was often seen as such because he scored so many goals from in and around the 6yard box but Ive seen him score goals from everywhere, often. And Ive never seen a player with his back to defender + goal, turn and shoot like Rushie. I think the real debate should be Rush or Robbie!:p

SUPERFAN

16-09-2007, 09:24 PM

I think the real debate should be Rush or Robbie!:p

you're going to divide an awful lot of People with that One.
I could argue all Night but for Me it's Rush.......

Kopite

17-09-2007, 12:00 PM

Rush was never a finisher, a poacher yes, a finisher from all angles, no.

Fowler was THE best natural finisher in the world at one stage.

If Rush scores 20 goals in a season as a "poacher" and Robbie Fowler socres 20 goals as a "natural finisher"...who is better? This "natural goalscorer" thing is ludricous and is of Glen Hoddles making and we are still debating it. They, including Michael Owen were all Great goalscorers and thats it. I would just edge for Rushie, but Robbie is God and Owen was brilliant.:)

Kopite

17-09-2007, 12:02 PM

Rush was more than just a poacher! :eek:He was no Lineker. Admittedly he was often seen as such because he scored so many goals from in and around the 6yard box but Ive seen him score goals from everywhere, often. And Ive never seen a player with his back to defender + goal, turn and shoot like Rushie. I think the real debate should be Rush or Robbie!:p
I totally agree with this, Rush was very special, and his workrate was legendary. What about Aldo ;) :D

novasteve

17-09-2007, 12:59 PM

Don't forget people, Rafa SOLD Owen

But he BOUGHT back Fowler

He knows....

Kopite

17-09-2007, 01:59 PM

Don't forget people, Rafa SOLD Owen

But he BOUGHT back Fowler

He knows....
Now I dont meen to knit pick but Rafa "brought" not bought Robbie back. I dont think even if Robbie just cost us 1 mill, would Rafa have bought him. The lad is a legend there is no doubt, but Injuries curtailed him as they did Owen.

Steve

17-09-2007, 02:47 PM

for me is fowler.

redchariot

19-09-2007, 06:44 PM

Owen for me. I know he sort of turned his back on the club but he was brilliant in his time here.:o:o:o