Liverpool and the Irish? [Archive]

pool-Irish

02-09-2007, 10:59 PM

Hi everyone.
Decided to sign up here because i have a question that needs answering!!!

I'm a Liverpool native and i've been following the reds since i was a young lad. My family is Irish so i've been over here in Dublin for some of the summer. Really enjoyed it but i've been a bit confused by some of the Liverpool supporters i've met over here.

I often bump into people wearin Pool shirts in bars and I ask them why they chose to follow us. I never have a problem with anyone following us and it feels great to see my home town shirt around my "second home" so often but i still wonder why so many Irish follow the English league?
I've gone to a few Irish club games over the summer and the standard isnt that bad. PLus the atmosphere can be much better because it's not as sterilised as big premiership grounds!! I had never seen flares or smoke bombs at a match until I went to a game over here!! Ok, it's not like going to anfield but it's decent.

It just confuses me a little I guess and I've really wanted to know all summer what's going on?!!!!!

pool-Irish

02-09-2007, 11:02 PM

Hey really sorry mods,posted this in tickets and travel by mistake.:o any chance it could be moved to the main discussion area?

SUPERFAN

02-09-2007, 11:10 PM

Hi everyone.
I'm a Liverpool native

whereabouts in Lpool are you from?

Malzheimer

03-09-2007, 09:26 AM

Welcome to the site pool-Irish. You ask a question that doesn't have an easy answer, one that has troubled me over the years....

I think most young people pledge their alleigance to an English club at an early age due to family tradition, or else to the team that is most successful at the time. One of the main reasons it's to an English club rather than an Irish one is the amount of media exposure the clubs get in Ireland. You can walk into your nearest sports shop and pick up a Liverpool jersey, no hassle but you won't find a League of Ireland one so easy. It's easier for kids to see Prem stars as their idols as they are the ones they see on tv week in week out. I've been a die hard red since I could talk, as I've always been the black sheep, most of my extended family's adopted club are the Manc scum. Anything for a bit of controversy ;).

However since I can remember my Dad always brought me to see Drogheda United play (they're the team thats top of the league by the way :D). He always watched English football but never supported a team, he could only manage passion for one club. I try never to miss a game, and I agree with you the standards ever-improving and the atmosphere for the bigger games is unique and nothing like the Premiership experience. I am one of the few who has room for two teams in my heart but living in Liverpool in the last few years has made it easier for me.

I think it boils down to the Irish league doesn't hold the same glamour and appeal as the league across the water. Also I know from previous discussions on here a lot of people don't have a local club on their doorstep (eg. North Co. Dublin and Wexford up until recently). If your not associated via locality with an Irish team its harder to be passionate about a chosen team. The league doesn't get the same blanket media coverage as the Premiership, so people don't get the oppertunity to relate to a team if there isn't one on their doorstep. Most of the people who attend United Park week in week out are Drogheda natives. We have no appeal to OOT's. Although there are increasing amount of Meath men and North Co. Dub lads following the Drogs in recent years due to success on the field (finally). This is very welcome IMO and needed for the league to push onto the next level.

Hopefully the league is moving in the right direction, overall average attendances are slowly increasing and now the FAI are in charge of the league, they are investing a lot more time and money in advertising the league. TV coverage is also improving with a televised game on every week now.

Who did you go and see, by the way in Dublin? It couldn't of been Shamrock Rovers, as their fans are very quiet (that ones for you YNWA :cool:)

liamo3

03-09-2007, 09:54 AM

Really easy for me to explain I am the youngest of 6 my older brothers supported the reds back in the early 70's don't know why don't know how as there was not as much commercial aspect to the game back then but they went to the game week in week out some of them still do but they would not know the internet if it hit them on the head. They went to Paris and Rome etc etc... They did not give me much of a choice then did they, I was born in 72 and was brought up on Liverpool FC. At a time when our Dublin team were doing pretty well GAA never came into our gaff it Was Shanks and Paisley all the way.

So thats how I came to support them and now my lad is 7 he supports them he doesn't see Liverpool as being in another country he doesn't understand that he's not a local kid he just knows that he supports his team the same way I came to support them its very hard not to when your brought up on them I suppose if one of the brothers had have had the same love for St Pats then maybe I'd be following them around the country as we speak but very glad they didn't.

paddypower111

03-09-2007, 10:01 AM

well i became a liverpool fan from a young age simply because my dad, my grand dad, my cousins are all liverpool supporters. i remember when i got my first liverpool shirt it was the gray candy 1 i did ,nt know what it was until they said it was a liverpool shirt. so that never bothered me and then i saw my first liverpool game it was against sunderland in the fa cup final. and it still didnt bother me cause i knew nothing about football. but as i started playing football 4 my local team and got into football more i began to watch liverpool as much as i could. we did nt have sky sports or bbc back then so i could only see highlights but we got sly sports at some stage and bbc 4 match of the day and i had liverpool jersys on me from then till now. and when i started getting to know a the history of lfc and so on. i fell in love with lfc and id choose l.f.c over any woman till the day i die. and im a god father 2 a 2 year old child and 4 his birthdays iv got him liverpool shirts and all my little cousins all have liverpool shirts cause they all want to be like me i guess they always come out to the house saying look james i got the same jersy as you so . my family are all 1 big liverpool supporting happy bunch;)

KOPITE55

03-09-2007, 10:38 AM

I was brought up from day 1 to be a red.My old man was always a Man U fan, harking back to the Busby babes, and my mam was football mad, and as far as I know started supporting Liverpool cos she had a crush on Steve Heighway.My bro is a Manure fan, so I think when I was born she was adamant there was no way I was going to go down that road.

I think the fact the all Irish players of top standards have traditionally gone to England to ply their trade is the main reason people here started following English team, that and the fact that there has always been so much media coverage

liverbird!!

03-09-2007, 11:53 AM

I have supported the Reds since the age of 4 yrs, i started supporting in 1973 and have photo at home with my 3 brothers at the time with liverpool t-shirt, and them having the Manc scum on theirs.

The Reds were a team i was drawn to, can't answer why? but have supported them ever since. Maybe be its was the Working Class/Irish thing going on at that time, and the joy the reds brought to me during my growing up years. Watching Keegan, Highway, kennedy,etc. What greats! and the joy watching them lift european cups, and league titles. And obviously!! Once a Red always a Red!!!

syngerdub

03-09-2007, 04:00 PM

Mal5times I'd agree with pretty much all of your explanation. I started supporting the reds because my big brother did, I'm not really sure why he chose them, but I owe him for it.

I remember a few things that really solidified my support, even when I was very young. I really liked how Bob Paisley was a quiet, reluctant manager, of few words. And I liked how the club promoted from within, creating a family atmosphere. This contrasted with the mancs at the time who were hiring and firing and getting nowhere. And of course the 'pool won even more trophies back then:)

I think some English people don't realise how much English TV we have been watching, going right back to the '70s. That's a big part of why we tend to follow English football.

pool-Irish

03-09-2007, 05:37 PM

OK lads I see your point and alot of you have the same reason of tradition which is fair enough. I guess LFC might be a bad example for my question!!
OK, I was in Dublin city last week and couldn't believe the amount of Chelsea and Sunderland jerseys on sale, now this struck me as being shameless glory hunting/bandwagon jumping. I can understand why so many kids would support Chelsea but there were plenty for sale in adult sizes!!
That to me is the complete opposite of what football should be about. It's more about tradition and pride than winning trophies!! It seems odd that a country which is so fiercly and admirably proud in many ways isn't when it comes to footie!!
I went to see Rovers V Bohemians in Tolka Park (Great atmosphere) and a couple of St.Pats games. I wanted to go see Shelbourne play at home because i was told by a mate in Scotland who supports the Dons that their supporters have great displays (a bit like european fans he sais!) but when I got over i was told crowds are down becasue they got relegated. Oh well, might pop along some day before i head back!!

Im from Allerton by the way!! About 20 mins outside the city centre. Anyone here know it?

Fowler's God

03-09-2007, 06:04 PM

pool-Irish, it was the same when Man U were around in the 90's with Sunderland and the irish connection its understandable with Chelsea its tapping into the market where the glory hunting Man U fans of the 90's have now switched there allegiances to Chelsea. They have come out of the woodwork with there jerseys next thing will there flags been imported.

My Construction Studies teacher was a Chelsea fan and a sound one at that before the Ambramovich era either. The likes of him and my Dad who are Chelsea fans i have a lot of time for but the Man U expats who now support Chelsea they don't have morals. Its like switcheroo with them

YNWA

03-09-2007, 06:41 PM

Hopefully the league is moving in the right direction, overall average attendances are slowly increasing and now the FAI are in charge of the league, they are investing a lot more time and money in advertising the league. TV coverage is also improving with a televised game on every week now.

Who did you go and see, by the way in Dublin? It couldn't of been Shamrock Rovers, as their fans are very quiet (that ones for you YNWA :cool:)

Cheeky...:p

But of course he did end up at tolka for the derby!:D

And yeah as Mal said, the eircom league doesn't have the glamour of the EPL, the league here used to attract huge crowds and it would be very unusual for someone to support a team in england let alone anywhere else, that was until the introduction of english games being shown on tv. Then the league here lost numbers at matches as allegiances were formed with english teams and our own league was more or less forgotten about. This in turn meant less money for clubs and so things got pretty bad for the league! As mentioned we're now taking a turn for the better, the fai now head the league and although most people don't agree with alot of things they do, they are taking a step in the right direction and clubs are becoming more business-wise so things are at-last, looking up.

I do feel sorry though for alot of people that don't support our own league, while it may not have the glitz of the premiership, the premiership is very plastic, supporting your own team here is raw, and alot of people dismiss the eircom league when they have never even been to a match. I am so ashamed of the irish alot of the time, like mentioned, jumping on the bandwagon with teams, and i hate hearing stories about the complete kn*b-ends that go to mathches in england, or seeing a tri-colour over at a game, makes me feel sick!

To answer your question, Shamrock Rovers are my team, liverpool are my...hobby let's say, i'm a football fan and follow alot of teams, while i more than follow the pool, they will never compete with Rovers for me!

C'mon UCD!!!!! (that one's for Mal:D)

dubit10

03-09-2007, 06:43 PM

Good question.For me it's the working class routes of the club and the way the people of Dublin and liverpool are so alike.(sense of humour etc....)As an example i just could never see myself linked in anyway to chelsea or arsenal as i cant relate to the supporters there in any way shape or form.To me the champions league semi finals of the last few years againest the chavs summed it up.The difference?The fans.Stamford bridge with the lifeless soulless corperate flags and Anfield with the people making there own flags and banners because they just give a f*ck about the team.Think for everybody theres a different reason but thats mine:)

YNWA

03-09-2007, 06:46 PM

I think the fact the all Irish players of top standards have traditionally gone to England to ply their trade is the main reason people here started following English team, that and the fact that there has always been so much media coverage

Not traditionally, the irish national team used to be full of players playing in ireland...

scousedub

03-09-2007, 07:13 PM

Born and bred in Dublin myself, but my father was born in Liverpool, which is why i picked the pool

YNWA

03-09-2007, 07:18 PM

Born and bred in Dublin myself, but my father was born in Liverpool, which is why i picked the pool

He was really asking, if i'm not mistaken, why people support an english club firstly and not an irish team, and i'm also really interested to hear some responses, not just how you got into liverpool...

redeagle

03-09-2007, 07:46 PM

pool-Irish

03-09-2007, 07:48 PM

YNWA

03-09-2007, 07:49 PM

It was general not just directed at him! :p:p:p:p:p

scousedub

03-09-2007, 07:53 PM

He was really asking, if i'm not mistaken, why people support an english club firstly and not an irish team, and i'm also really interested to hear some responses, not just how you got into liverpool...

Used to be a mad Rovers fan myself. Never a missed a game home or away and also travelled to a couple of european games until we left Milltown. I was part of KRAM and boycotted Tolka Park when they started playing there. Just lost interest after that and got bigger into supporting Liverpool.I tried to get my kids into supporting Rovers,but, even though facilities have improved greatly in the last few years, they are still not good enough.After bringing kids to Anfield three or four times a season they just have no interest in watching average standard football in depressing conditions.Still go to a couple of Rovers games each season. Although, if and when Tallaght opens will definetely get back to supporting them on a more regular basis.

YNWA

03-09-2007, 07:56 PM

Used to be a mad Rovers fan myself. Never a missed a game home or away and also travelled to a couple of european games until we left Milltown. I was part of KRAM and boycotted Tolka Park when they started playing there. Just lost interest after that and got bigger into supporting Liverpool.I tried to get my kids into supporting Rovers,but, even though facilities have improved greatly in the last few years, they are still not good enough.After bringing kids to Anfield three or four times a season they just have no interest in watching average standard football in depressing conditions.Still go to a couple of Rovers games each season. Although, if and when Tallaght opens will definetely get back to supporting them on a more regular basis.

Thats fair enough, its funny how some kids do get really excited by it but some don't, and yeah can understand your position, we lost alot of support by losing milltown, hope to see ya at tallaght sooner rather than later!;)

liamo3

03-09-2007, 08:02 PM

Ok starting to get an idea why now!! Do you think most Irish Pool fans would keep following them if they plummeted a division or two? (Knock on wood!!!)
Have any ex-League of Ireland players played for The Pool in recent times?! I know Keane played in the league for awhile. Didn't he?
Not a great advertisment if you ask me! :)

Mate after our last league win and for the last 17 years it sometimes
felt we have dropped division for a club of our history and tradition but
we are still here roaring them on

karljd

03-09-2007, 08:22 PM

For me it was the clamour of the nearest professional league,its the same in all small countries, when i was 9 i'd watch match of the day on saturday night,me da had no interest in football soi had noone to bring me to l,o,i matches seeing liverpool on the highlights was the best part of the week,back then there was no coverage of the league of ireland so the glamour of the league and espically the fa cup took over.

wat_boy

03-09-2007, 08:36 PM

slighty off topic but there was an irish jersey in the centenary on saturday, why wear an int top a league game

stevieg

03-09-2007, 08:38 PM

slighty off topic but there was an irish jersey in the centenary on saturday, why?

Yeh i thought i seen that to but wasnt sure as the camera went by fast enough.
Was it in the Centenary down by Anfield Road end and the green jersey ?

vodkacolly

04-09-2007, 11:14 AM

When I was growing up the only football on tv was english and so thats what everyone watched and talked about. As i got older I was taken to a couple of League of Ireland games but it wasn't very interesting as I didnt know any players. Liverpool were the big team as I grew up so they had a lot of coverage and I liked players like Grobbelaar, Rush, Dalgleish. I also liked Kevin Keegan and Newcastle so when the two teams met each other I decided to pledge my future allegiance to whichever side won. Thank the lord I'm not posting this on a Toon forum:D

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 11:56 AM

Cheeky...:p

But of course he did end up at tolka for the derby!:D

And yeah as Mal said, the eircom league doesn't have the glamour of the EPL, the league here used to attract huge crowds and it would be very unusual for someone to support a team in england let alone anywhere else, that was until the introduction of english games being shown on tv. Then the league here lost numbers at matches as allegiances were formed with english teams and our own league was more or less forgotten about. This in turn meant less money for clubs and so things got pretty bad for the league! As mentioned we're now taking a turn for the better, the fai now head the league and although most people don't agree with alot of things they do, they are taking a step in the right direction and clubs are becoming more business-wise so things are at-last, looking up.

I do feel sorry though for alot of people that don't support our own league, while it may not have the glitz of the premiership, the premiership is very plastic, supporting your own team here is raw, and alot of people dismiss the eircom league when they have never even been to a match. I am so ashamed of the irish alot of the time, like mentioned, jumping on the bandwagon with teams, and i hate hearing stories about the complete kn*b-ends that go to mathches in england, or seeing a tri-colour over at a game, makes me feel sick!

To answer your question, Shamrock Rovers are my team, liverpool are my...hobby let's say, i'm a football fan and follow alot of teams, while i more than follow the pool, they will never compete with Rovers for me!

C'mon UCD!!!!! (that one's for Mal:D)

Bit depressed after last night, so gonna keep this brief....
As a LOI fan seeing empty terraces week in week out and then walking through town and seeing countless Sunderland and Chelsea jersey, it can be very frustrating.

But we have to accept the exposure the Premiership gets in Ireland is always going to outdo the league of Ireland regarsless of the standard of football here. Therefore as a kid growing up, they will choose a preference to a certain team who they like from watching on television. Its rare you get a child who follows the eircom league and not a premiership club and this is always going to be the way. The only hope the league has of expanding and attracting more fans is to make the matchday experiences in Ireland in some way appeal to families. But with the more business like approach the FAI are taking with LOI clubs, things can only get better.
As for wearing Irish jerseys or bringing a tricolore to a premiership game, I see that as hypocritical.

After Drogs performance last night, the league is anyones, Doolin needs to get managing and stop spectating!!

pool-Irish

04-09-2007, 02:40 PM

I was in a pub last night and bumped into a guy wearing a st.pats jersey so i took the chance to bring this up got talking to him about this thread and the subject as a whole. He has said alot of the same things as YNWA and Mal. He said the two things that really anger him are
1)Why Irish people wear the shirts of english clubs (none more english than chelsea) yet will support anyone who plays against England in an international game/ Why people see supporting Glasgow celtic as as patriotic as supporting a hometown team. :confused:

and 2) That if he's asked who he follows and he says St.Pats he often gets asked "But who do you really support?" Also he's been told a few times to "support a REAL team". He got fairly worked up on this subject and i can see it's a sore subject for people like him.

Personally while I am always happy to see Irish at Anfield I just can't helpo but feel that it is a huge waste of sporting passion that should be invested in your own league.

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 03:08 PM

If you ask any Eircom league supporter, they will react in the same way, this Pats fan did........
I can see how its hard Pool-Irish to understand for someone looking in, how our stadiums are empty week in week out but its true the exposure of the English premier league in Ireland has "stole" our own game, to quote the title of a recent book published on the topic.

Our league could potentially prosper if half the passion that is shown for clubs across the water was spent on local teams. Its a hard job the FAI have on their hands to increase attendances, with the Premiership on tv and champs league 4/5 days a week.

As for the Irish-Celtic fans, the Drogheda vs Helsingborgs UEFA match showed how fickle some of them can be (when they cheered on a Sweedish side).

I'll never stop supporting Liverpool and spending money on trips/merchandise etc. as its something I've loved doing since I can remember. On the other hand though I could never stand by watching an Irish club rot on my doorstep as so many do in Ireland. Drogheda is my local team and will always follow them no matter where I am in the world.
It's not as if the Sunderlands and Chelseas need the extra income of a few Irish fans. I guarentee you once the Abramoviches of the world get bored and leave Chelsea in ruins, you won't see a Chelsea jersey in site e.g Leeds Utd fans how many of them are left since the O'Leary days.

liamo3

04-09-2007, 03:11 PM

In fairness I find it stranger how someone from London ends up supporting Liverpool not saying they shouldn't because some of them I know and are really good reds but they have it on their doorstep

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 03:21 PM

In fairness I find it stranger how someone from London ends up supporting Liverpool not saying they shouldn't because some of them I know and are really good reds but they have it on their doorstep

Why is that stranger? Its the exact same thing in my eyes, the only difference being the quality of the football. We have it (football) on our doorstep in Ireland too, the same as the guy in London. Just my opinion though....

liamo3

04-09-2007, 03:25 PM

Quality of the stadium, quality of the competition, quality of the coverage, quality of the footballers wag etc...just a few more differences

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 03:30 PM

stevieg

04-09-2007, 03:30 PM

Why is that stranger? Its the exact same thing in my eyes, the only difference being the quality of the football. We have it (football) on our doorstep in Ireland too, the same as the guy in London. Just my opinion though....

Yeh but we have LOI on our doorstep,Londonders have PL on their doorstep.
Most Irish kids support a PL team.

I wonder whatever would have happened had Wimbeldon moved over here.
God knows what division they are in now.

liamo3

04-09-2007, 03:37 PM

But what about the guy who supports Leyton Orient instead of Arsenal (not sure if these are beside each other, but both are in London)

Surely supporting a team shouldn't be based soley on the quality?
League 1 wouldn't be upto the standards of the top half of the LOI

I would have a good guess the lad who supports Leyton Orient was brought to games as a kid by his aul lad or older brother or sister

Thats my point I had no real choice I wasn't brought up to be a local
team supporter

stamullenredmen

04-09-2007, 03:50 PM

it gets my wick when your told the eircom league is rubbish and you should support a real team.id say 99% of the people on here are travelling to liverpool on a regular basis and are exempt from what im about to say.

if your idea of following your team is sitting in a pub supping your not a supporter your a fan,the only person you actually support is a publican.its standing at a game and being in a depression for days after it that makes you a supporter(id say you feel the same today mal:mad:
)

on the whole chelsea/sunderland/whoevers winning thing,i can understand it of a child or a lad of maybe 12-13.the fully grown lads are lost causes and your better off ignoring them

stevieg

04-09-2007, 03:58 PM

Think i heard over 1,000 or maybe 1,500 season tickets for Sunderland where sold to Irish based fans.

Rogie

04-09-2007, 03:59 PM

My Dad's uncle played for Everton and for some reason he insisted his side of the family support Liverpool, which we all do except for my Dad as he lived in Manchester for a few years. He supports them now. Ashamed of that so I am!!

YNWA

04-09-2007, 04:02 PM

Bit depressed after last night, so gonna keep this brief....
As a LOI fan seeing empty terraces week in week out and then walking through town and seeing countless Sunderland and Chelsea jersey, it can be very frustrating.

As for wearing Irish jerseys or bringing a tricolore to a premiership game, I see that as hypocritical.

After Drogs performance last night, the league is anyones, Doolin needs to get managing and stop spectating!!

Bit off-topic but Doolin has never been too impressive this season as a manager, hopefully your euro hangover continues and the wheels fall of!:D

If you ask any Eircom league supporter, they will react in the same way, this Pats fan did........

It's not as if the Sunderlands and Chelseas need the extra income of a few Irish fans. I guarentee you once the Abramoviches of the world get bored and leave Chelsea in ruins, you won't see a Chelsea jersey in site e.g Leeds Utd fans how many of them are left since the O'Leary days.

Yes as Mal said every ELOI follower will have this reaction, i really do get quite worked up on this issue and find it pretty hard to type everything i feel on it, but what i have said and what Mal has said has really expressed alot of it.

And yes these bandwaggon jumpers will disappear in their hordes, maybe not so much in the chelsea situation as i don't think they would ever disappear as much, but when(:p) sunderland go back down, the jerseys will disappear from the streets, and there won't be a third of the irish that are going over now, going over to the matches in the championship!

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 04:07 PM

Yeh but we have LOI on our doorstep,Londonders have PL on their doorstep.
Most Irish kids support a PL team.

I wonder whatever would have happened had Wimbeldon moved over here.
God knows what division they are in now.

But lots of Londoners choose to support teams outside the PL because its their local team, despite the fact they could jump on a 10min train and go to "The Emirates" to watch a better standard of football but with no real passion/atmosphere.
My point is for me locality is a big part of supporting a team, quality shouldn't come into it (kids excluded obviously)

YNWA

04-09-2007, 04:10 PM

But lots of Londoners choose to support teams outside the PL because its their local team, despite the fact they could jump on a 10min train and go to "The Emirates" to watch a better standard of football but with no real passion/atmosphere.
My point is for me locality is a big part of supporting a team, quality shouldn't come into it (kids excluded obviously)

Yeah this is a point i was trying to get at earlier aswell, no passion, the ELOI is raw, passionate, full of energy, it is real!

And also i never said why i support Liverpool, and i'm not sure why i first did, but alot of the reason i continue to support them is the passion associated with them.

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 04:42 PM

Bit off-topic but Doolin has never been too impressive this season as a manager, hopefully your euro hangover continues and the wheels fall of!:D

I'd say I'm not the only one a bit depressed this week what with bottom of the league nicking 3 points in your place!! Your man Mooney is some player though.............
Doolo's done enough to put us seven points clear. It should be wrapped up by now though.
It's only a bolt loose YNWA the wheels are well and truly screwed on our bus!!

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 04:51 PM

It's only a bolt loose YNWA the wheels are well and truly screwed on our bus!!

And its destination is Eircom League Champions for the first time ever!! :cool:

sorry to hijack thread its just we are not used to these heights, milking it as much as I can!!First time in my life both my teams have been top, could get used to this :D

YNWA

04-09-2007, 04:53 PM

I'd say I'm not the only one a bit depressed this week what with bottom of the league nicking 3 points in your place!! Your man Mooney is some player though.............
Doolo's done enough to put us seven points clear. It should be wrapped up by now though.
It's only a bolt loose YNWA the wheels are well and truly screwed on our bus!!

Yeah hes a class act, had to score against us though little bugger! Nothings impossible though, 27 points to play for, going to be interesting anyway!

Malzheimer

04-09-2007, 04:56 PM

Yeah hes a class act, had to score against us though little bugger! Nothings impossible though, 27 points to play for, going to be interesting anyway!

We've some tough games coming up, hopefully last night will act as a kick start to the players and manager, that the titles not in the bag yet...... It's gonna be an exciting few week alright. I think 5 wins will be enough for us to clinch it

SUPERFAN

05-09-2007, 08:45 PM

the Year 1983 had a major effect on me,3 things happened that Year.
Liverpool Won the Milk Cup.
Dublin Won the All Ireland.
Bohs lost in the FAI Cup Final.
i've no memory of Liverpool before that '83 Milk Cup Final but i vividly remember watching it on TV and from that Day on i was hooked.Bohs have always been my Home Team,i've lived just down the Road from Dalymount all my Life.i was at the '83 Cup Final and when Bohs lost i was gutted.maybe subconsciously i associated Bohs with failure and Liverpool with success from that Day on.
the first GAA Game i ever attended was the '83 All Ireland Final.that just blew me away......
still to this Day i'm a Dubs and Liverpool fanatic.thank God they'll never have to Play Each other cos Fowler knows who i'd choose.:D
through the Years i would've still gone to Bohs Games fairly regularly and supported them as much as possible.but in recent Years i've found myself going less and less.the one thing that really annoys me about the EL is the way Players do their Rounds of the Clubs,particularly the Dublin Clubs.the Straw that broke the Camel's back for me was when Glenn Crowe returned to Bohs.i haven't gone to a Bohs Game since and refuse to go again till he's gone.a lot of People will probably say i'm mad but that's how strongly i feel.
i'm glad Owen didn't(and i hope he never does)return to Liverpool cos i would've been so pissed off with him and the Club that i reckon i would've made the same Decision there also.
imagine if the Mancs had Won that '83 Milk Cup Final.
jaysus!:):):)

yodabenitez

06-09-2007, 12:26 AM

pool-Irish

08-09-2007, 02:03 PM

I read the OP a while ago & I've been thinking about it since, my only real conclusion is that there isn't an absolute answer and each contributor will add a bit to the pot.

For me, after the stuff that's been already said, about the first day (1971 Heighway goal for me), I'm the eldest so I had to break the ground, my Dad isn't much into it so it's not in the genes...

Then it grew, when titans stepped out, it blossomed, when I saw people who believed it blossomed,through time, St.Etienne, FC Bruges,Tommy Smith, Bob Paisley, Uncle Joe ...Wednesday afternoon...after school ...Juventus, Hillsborough...children...John Aldridge...King Kenny...funerals...pictures...tears..., years of waiting, YNWA, bringing my son...he believes, glimpses & shadows...Houllier, Istanbul...texting a friend who said WTF and telling him to believe...and now...walking on, with hope in our hearts and perhaps the darkness is gone...

It's not so much why do you love Liverpool as why don't you...

Good question

Im sorry but to me you have completley missed the point of being a football supporter. You desire glory and obviously without that you would care little or nothing for a team from Liverpool. I can only assume that seeing as your own countries teams couldn't offer you the same sort of glory you chose to pledge your allegiances to a foreign club who could.Glory hunting to be precise.

In my opinion football should be tribal rather than commercial. It's knowing that you are really a part of something and somewhere and that can truly bring you glory.

Also,on a totally unrelated strand, how do all of you get tickets for Liverpool games?

liamo3

08-09-2007, 02:25 PM

Im sorry but to me you have completley missed the point of being a football supporter. You desire glory and obviously without that you would care little or nothing for a team from Liverpool. I can only assume that seeing as your own countries teams couldn't offer you the same sort of glory you chose to pledge your allegiances to a foreign club who could.Glory hunting to be precise.

In my opinion football should be tribal rather than commercial. It's knowing that you are really a part of something and somewhere and that can truly bring you glory.

Also,on a totally unrelated strand, how do all of you get tickets for Liverpool games?

I for one will not take the bait ;)