7 Players Needed

[Captain_Morgan]

IMO its what we need, reina carra stevie torres are indispensable but everything else is fair game as far as im concerned

[wertyu]

We need to look at where we are been hit every game 1st Ger and that's at CB we need someone who is commanding and is not afraid of a tackle I think Cahill would be a great aquistion in there alongside Carra for a season to learn from him. I agree with you in that every player bar the ones you mention can be shipped out but defo a CB 1st then look at the front end wingers strikers etc but who will want to go?

[Captain_Morgan]

darren our defence is shocking at best, our midfield wont tackle and our wide men wont stay wide, its a horrible team bar a couple of lads, heartless cnuts they come across as sometimes

[bono]

IMO its what we need, reina carra stevie torres are indispensable but everything else is fair game as far as im concerned

Agree

We are a club in transition there is no 2 ways about it.

Getting rid of players whom have'nt cut it & replacing them with top quality is the tricky part.Only hope the the new owners & staff are up to it.

We need imo 1 marquee signing in this window just to show some intention to make the team better.

[ROCCO]

1.Striker £18m.............Luis Suarez
2.Left winger £12m.......N'zogbia
3.Left back £3m.........???Taiwo????{Contracts up in the summer}
4.Holding midfielder £15m.....Yann M'Vila /Lassana Diarra
5.Right Winger £15m.....Ardan TURAN {Any 3 of the 3 behind Torres}
6.Centre half £17m......Gary Cahill

£80m , but id expect at least £50m to come in from player sales.

[ISTANBUL VET]

1.Striker £18m
2.Left winger £15m
3.Left back £15m
4.Holding midfielder £15m
5.Right Winger £15m
6.Centre half £15m
+Wages

[trucker]

I agree 6/7 players are needed, the squad is awful, were paying for the last 3 summers of 2 managers buying shit, people need to get this idea that tomkins and the likes was peddling of it's the same squad that finished 2nd,it's not. Arbeloa Hyppia Alonso Mascherano Yossi, and even Riera although I didn't rate him he did play most of that season are gone, all replaced with inferior players. Big changes needed, £100m needs to be spent half of which I believe can be raised in sales. That £100m needs to be spent alot better than the last £100m, fcuk this net spend shit, wether people like it or not between the last 2 managers they wasted a fortune in last 3 summers, brave decisions need to be taken with axing players and I think the new regime will do it.
Spend this money correctly and with the crop of kids we've coming through we won't need to spend big again, and will be fitting in nicely with UEFA rules and hopefully back in the top 4 within 2 years

[Aido82]

1.Striker £18m.............Luis Suarez
2.Left winger £15m.......N'zogbia
3.Left back £15m.........?
4.Holding midfielder £15m.?
5.Right Winger £15m.....?
6.Centre half £15m......?

thats 100million

we not city, henry said we will do things right, not like city and just splash the cash

[eoinlfc101]

1.Striker £18m.............Luis Suarez
2.Left winger £12m.......N'zogbia
3.Left back £3m.........???Taiwo????{Contracts up in the summer}
4.Holding midfielder £15m.....Yann M'Vila /Lassana Diarra
5.Right Winger £15m.....Ardan TURAN {Any 3 of the 3 behind Torres}
6.Centre half £17m......Gary Cahill

£80m , buy id expect at least £50m to come in from player sales.

Completely agree rocco

[Venom1983]

First place id strengthen is at the back. I deally we probably need 2 centre halfs and a left back. Maybe Kelly could fill one of the centre half roles. Skrtel and the Greek need to be phased out over the summer

[ISTANBUL VET]

This whole idea seems so simplistic you wonder why the owners,Camolli and Kenny haven't thought of it:rolleyes:

[Beanokelly]

1.Striker £18m.............Luis Suarez
2.Left winger £12m.......N'zogbia
3.Left back .........Warnock (on loan)
4.Holding midfielder £15m....Van Bommel
5.Right Winger £20m.....Ashley Young
6.Centre half £15m......Gary Cahill

[bobby benitez]

IMO its what we need, reina carra stevie torres are indispensable but everything else is fair game as far as im concerned

Not been smart but what are 7 players needed for? To win the league, get into the top 4 or just to halt the slide?

Same question for you Trucker?

IMO we are only 3 player short of top 4, Ashley Young, Suarez and a left back would be enough for top 4 next year.

[trucker]

Not been smart but what are 7 players needed for? To win the league, get into the top 4 or just to halt the slide?

Same question for you Trucker?

IMO we are only 3 player short of top 4, Ashley Young, Suarez and a left back would be enough for top 4 next year.

We need a left back, we need a centre half that does get bullied like Agger and that total donkey Skertel, a holding midfielder with energy as yesterday again showed how exposed our back four is now that mascherano has taken his place on the bench at the Nou Camp, a winger, a creative midfielder as Alonso hasn't been replaced and a striker.
Without that happening in the next 2 windows we won't see CL for a good few year

[Fowler's God]

In a dream world:

Left back - Coentrao
Winger(left or right) - Hazard and Marko Marin
Playmaker who can take the ball off the back line we already have one in Suso but if we could get anyone back Alonso would it be it.
Striker which looks like Suarez now
Centre Half - not too many around that would say is top class but off the top of my head Jan Verthongen from Ajax would be at the top of my list

[GDLUCKXABI]

As long as we continue to concede simple goals, even if we improve our attacking players, we will always be close to defeat so first and foremost I now think we actually need a quality centre back who can dominate and command the rest of them back there. Then we need a new Striker, then a CM and then 2 wingers.

How bad Dirk Kuyt has become without anybody mentioning it is beyond belief, the lad is apalling.

[elvis]

How bad Dirk Kuyt has become without anybody mentioning it is beyond belief, the lad is apalling.

He played well yesterday though. But he has been shocking at times this season.

[GDLUCKXABI]

Ah he didnt, he was terrible. Good pen but thats it.

[ROCCO]

Ah he didnt, he was terrible. Good pen but thats it.

Have to disagree thought kuyt played well yesterday .... was all over the pitch .

[GDLUCKXABI]

Yeah he ran around a lot alright but the ball bounced off him every time it went to him and he didnt beat a man once (bar a nice dummy on the touchline second half but he failed to get on the end of it anyway), got no decent crosses in and has zero pace to trouble people. Thought he was terrible yesterday. Slows everything down every time it goes out to him and IMO he has been as abd as anyone for us so far this year.

[PaddyW]

I myself thought Kuyt looked much better yesterday than in recent matches. He's still not back to his best yet, he definitely needs a holiday.

[ROCCO]

1 player we needed and got him back yesterday was Torres , seemed like he was back enjoying his football.

"We are disappointed with the result but we are improving and moving in the right direction." Torres

[ISTANBUL VET]

Its funny the way our full backs get knocked by fans--among others-,yet yesterday I watched the 2 fbs for the top team in the league being absolutely tortured.

[ROCCO]

Its funny the way our full backs get knocked by fans--among others-,yet yesterday I watched the 2 fbs for the top team in the league being absolutely tortured.

Results ....;)

[Badman]

Its funny the way our full backs get knocked by fans--among others-,yet yesterday I watched the 2 fbs for the top team in the league being absolutely tortured

in fairness bale and lennon roast most fullbacks they play - they're probably the 2 best out and out wingers in the league. the trouble is man utds fullbacks cope with the wingers from the other 19 teams rather comfortably whereas johnson and whoever is playing left back for us usually get roasted by everyone for the past 18 months. if it was only against spurs our fullbacks were brutal i wouldnt lose much sleep about it cos those gus tore teh european champions' fullbacks to pieces also...but any winger with 2 legs has given our fullbacks a nightmare for ages

[GDLUCKXABI]

And what score did that game finish in which these full backs were roasted???

[Ron1892]

darren our defence is shocking at best, our midfield wont tackle and our wide men wont stay wide, its a horrible team bar a couple of lads, heartless cnuts they come across as sometimes

You summed it up very Nicely there, in those short few Words.Couldnt agree More Mate..Except Id add Kelly to your orginal List and Keep him, as he has shown abit of commitment and determination.

[glen]

reina
kelly carra **** ****
**** stevie **** ****
torres suarez(looking very likely)

so five more players needed imo

[GDLUCKXABI]

Carraghers absence has made him a better player. Remember before he got injured he was struggling badly for form bar a couple of matches.

What we miss mainly from him though is his organisation of the defence. We have no leaders there without him but as far as playing wise goes, unfortunately he isn't near good enough anymore I dont think - still love the man to bits and all the rest but we mustn't be fooled into thinking he'll return and our defensive problems will be solved, he was awful at the begining of the season. Maybe this injury and rest will do him the world of good actually.

Reina

Kelly Carra **** ****

Johnson Gerrard *** ***

Torres Suarez


That leaves 4 players for me. Why GJ hasnt been given a chance Right midfield is beyond me - just look at Bale and even Coleman for Everton, both originally full backs.

[ROCCO]

Reina

Kelly Agger Cahill Lahm

M'Vila

Gerrard Meireles

Suarez Torres N'zogbia


4-3-3

[Pool4Life]

Reina

Kelly Agger Cahill Lahm

M'Vila Merieles

Suarez Gerrard N'zogbia

Torres
Nice :D

[Malzheimer]

Reina

Kelly Agger Cahill Lahm

M'Vila

Gerrard Meireles

Suarez Torres N'zogbia


4-3-3

That looks amazing think I just had a little accident. God how I miss championship manager though ;)

[Ron1892]

Whats all the Fuss about Nzogbia???He is over rated in my opinion, and if he was that Good he would be playing at a higher standard of football.Arsenal were looking at him before he went to Wigan.I think is money orientated, and a selfish fcuker, and i wouldnt touch him with a barge poll..Over rated in my opinion..

Alrbighton would be a much better option there, he is young and has great potential.Also his sell on value would be much greater too.

At left and right back i would have gone for Kyle walker, and Kyle Nughton but unfortuntely Spurs Beat us to the punch last Jan, when they signed both of them for 10 mill from Sheff utd.They will both be future England right and Left backs, and they have Bags of potential and are the right age too.

A midfielder, Id like to see us with James Mc Carthy.I know he is injured, but i reckon this kid has bags of potential and is not afraid of a tackle which is what we are missing at the moment.Also he has a eye for a pass too.

[Captain_Morgan]

Not been smart but what are 7 players needed for? To win the league, get into the top 4 or just to halt the slide?

Same question for you Trucker?

IMO we are only 3 player short of top 4, Ashley Young, Suarez and a left back would be enough for top 4 next year.

7players needed imo is, 1 full back, 2 centre halves, 2 wingers, 1 front man 1 creative midfielder

Have to disagree thought kuyt played well yesterday .... was all over the pitch .

Kuyt was shocking yesterday everything that came near him bounced 15 yards away, his 2nd touch was a tackle ffs

[glen]

reina
kelly carra agger warnock(rumours)
young(hopefully) stevie raul downing(bid according to sky)
torres suarez(looking very likely)

i like the look of that team

[Pool4Life]

reina
kelly carra agger warnock(rumours)
young(hopefully) stevie raul downing(bid according to sky)
torres suarez(looking very likely)

i like the look of that team
Can't see us gettin 3 Vila players

[ISTANBUL VET]

With Suarez just 6 needed now:rolleyes:

[Captain_Morgan]

With Suarez just 6 needed now:rolleyes:

Sly dig at me there ;)

Yes we still need more players at least 5 or 6 at least today was a step in the right direction if we get adam and warnock thats 3 this window then add again in the summer

[barrydoherty]

We urgently need a centreback now that we Suarez in. Strtel is a donkey.

For me:
Centre Back
Left Back
Right Midfield
Left Midfield

[ISTANBUL VET]

Sly dig at me there ;)

Yes we still need more players at least 5 or 6 at least today was a step in the right direction if we get adam and warnock thats 3 this window then add again in the summer
:D The squad has been systematically run down during the previous regime,but it will be more competitive under these owners.

[Captain_Morgan]

:D The squad has been systematically run down during the previous regime,but it will be more competitive under these owners.

Everyone will agree with that, thats why my op said we need 7 players as i still dont think skrtel,lucas,johnson,konchesky,poulsen,jovanovic are good enough for us, thats 6, we already shipped babel out so i think if we can replace them 7 with a better quality of player then our squad becomes a different animal altogether

[stevey D]

zhirkov off chelsea would be an excellent addition.it would also give us the option of playin with wing backs wit johnson movin to the right with kelly movin inside beside carra and agger.meaning a cm signin.would solve alot of issues short term.2 signings instead of the 7 mentioned above.

[ISTANBUL VET]

Tryin to keep count--how many more do we need in?

[ISTANBUL VET]

Still wondering how many more players we need?

[Badman]

still think we need a left back with a left foot, a top class centre back - ok we played well today but the chavs were shite and i'm not a fan of 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 formations coz it reminds me too much of the roy evans era defending and i just cant get it outta my head. also think we need a top classs wide player and a world class central midfielder ( i like lucas and he has improved immeasurably in the past 12 months to my utmost surprise but i stillthink at the cutting edge of a CL semi agaisnt barca we could do wth soemone truly world class in that position - its the least important of the positions we need fixed, really its only nitpicking). so i make it definitely three plaers, possibly 4 at a stretch

[garyc]

Centre half
Left full
Creative Mid
Defensive Mid
Winger (left or right)

Realistically cant see all them coming in during the summer but between next summer and next January I think we will be sorted!!!:o

[James]

Not sure about needing a centre half as Kelly will make it his own. Will need a right full though.

[ROCCO]

Really depends on what system Kenny is going to use as his 1st choice formation ..
If were building a in depth squad were still a few players short

Defensive midfielder { Lucas improving all the time but still would bring in a DF}
Full back {Kelly will need a break so will Glen so a left back }
Centre half
Right + left winger
Attacking midfielder
Striker? .. still feel we are 1 short

[ISTANBUL VET]

The way the thread is heading the majority still think we need a team.
Obviously we will add to the squad but a lot of the players who have been much maligned this season(not without reason)are not as bad as you think.

[ROCCO]

The way the thread is heading the majority still think we need a team.
Obviously we will add to the squad but a lot of the players who have been much maligned this season(not without reason)are not as bad as you think.

Just adding Carroll and Suarez and i think we have a squad good enough to be considered top 4 pedigree.

Its a premier league winning side we need to build and back to 4Th is the minimum requirement but still failure..

Id be happy if we only brought in 1-2+players once high quality players from 22-26 age bracket all ready proven players with still potential to fulfill so good enough to improve the team.
Carroll and Suarez are that standard imo.


Id put a defensive mid on top of the list , fulham game showed how much we missed Lucas.
And a Right winger .Then a full back .The a left winger.

[Captain_Morgan]

Everyone will agree with that, thats why my op said we need 7 players as i still dont think skrtel,lucas,johnson,konchesky,poulsen,jovanovic are good enough for us, thats 6, we already shipped babel out so i think if we can replace them 7 with a better quality of player then our squad becomes a different animal altogether

Tryin to keep count--how many more do we need in?

6

Still wondering how many more players we need?

6

I still stand by my post, we need a centre half, a proper lb/lwb, 2 wingers A centre mid and id still like 1 more striker as if as expected suarez and carroll start our alternatives are ngog or kuyt.

Ive been hugely impressed with the team in recent weeks and they all deserve credit but i wont let it blind me to see that a lot of the players i mentioned above have been shocking all year until kenny took over. 6 players into the squad/team at the expense of what ive mentioned above and were laughing, i even forgot to mention ngog

[ISTANBUL VET]

I have no problem with the assertion that we need to improve/grow the squad,as the funds were not there before as it was servicing debt.
However I find it disrespectful to openly criticise players who have competed at a high level.

[Captain_Morgan]

I have no problem with the assertion that we need to improve/grow the squad,as the funds were not there before as it was servicing debt.
However I find it disrespectful to openly criticise players who have competed at a high level.

are you for real???

[this]

Shawcross
Coentrao
Defour
Turan
N’Zogbia
Lukaku

Job done, where did I leave me cheque book.

[ISTANBUL VET]

are you for real???

You might be successful at that Football Manager game,but this isn't cyber space.Get behind your players.

[Captain_Morgan]

your a great man for the snide comments

ill always get behind our players but when there is players blatantly not good enough for the club and then dont produce performances, do you expect them to be above criticism just because they played at a high level??

[ISTANBUL VET]

[QUOTE=Captain_Morgan;467477]your a great man /QUOTE]

Fixed that for you.
If you think the three players who started on Sunday are not worthy of a place in our squad then we have no common ground.

[ROCCO]

Watched the last 5 games over the last 2 nights and 2 positions that need back up an very similar players are Lucas and Agger.

These are 2 players positions that we dont have similar players and when we lost Agger against Everton it showed how much a fit Agger does for the side {now over 400 Min's with a clean sheet } same for Lucas watch the fulham game.


Ive said we need a centre half and for me it would be similar to Agger and a defensive mid.Without proper replacements we lose a lot from our play.

Also kuyt is doing a fine job but imo we probably also will need at some stage a similar replacement for Carroll.

Not that we dont need other positions right winger for one but bringing players in so the side's formation and play stay the same when players are out is a vital ingredient in a winning side imo.

I wouldn't just be bringing in players to cover them but high quality player that will try to take their position as their own.

[ISTANBUL VET]

Obviously,to challenge for the PL(ok I've said it)we are looking at something like 2 players for every position.
Kenny has given us breathing space in as much as under Hodgson we looked like we needed a new team.
This now is where Camolli earns his corn,to see if he can unearth some bargains.
With the business in the last window,the owner's powder is still relatively dry so I am confident they will back our transfer targets.

[smiley1987]

I think we should try to offload Poulsen , Cole , Jovanovic , Konchesky and Aquilani . If we can get in and around 22 to 25 million it would be great business . We could use this plus whatever the owners release for transfers . If we had 45 million it would mean 3 quality addtions and lower wages too . I think we need strengthening in the Left back position and a pair of wingers .

[reddy]

I think we should try to offload Poulsen , Cole , Jovanovic , Konchesky and Aquilani . If we can get in and around 22 to 25 million it would be great business . We could use this plus whatever the owners release for transfers . If we had 45 million it would mean 3 quality addtions and lower wages too . I think we need strengthening in the Left back position and a pair of wingers .

Im with smiley

[SOC]

I think we should try to offload Poulsen , Cole , Jovanovic , Konchesky and Aquilani . If we can get in and around 22 to 25 million it would be great business . We could use this plus whatever the owners release for transfers . If we had 45 million it would mean 3 quality additions and lower wages too . I think we need strengthening in the Left back position and a pair of wingers .

I would agree with a lot of the names Smiley has mentioned. I would call back Darby/Insua/Degen/Konchesky/Aquilani and sell them on along with Jovanovic, Poulsen, Ngog and possibly Skrtel and Lucas aswell. I would be after bringing in another striker, a pacey winger, a left back, a centre back & a central defensive midfield. I originally believed 3 maybe 4 was all we needed but I will say now we need 5.

[Derekc]

I would agree with a lot of the names Smiley has mentioned. I would call back Darby/Insua/Degen/Konchesky/Aquilani and sell them on along with Jovanovic, Poulsen, Ngog and possibly Skrtel and Lucas aswell. I would be after bringing in another striker, a pacey winger, a left back, a centre back & a central defensive midfield. I originally believed 3 maybe 4 was all we needed but I will say now we need 5.

you lost me with this.

[7Cannibal-9Asbo]

you lost me with this.

Have to agree with Derek, where is that coming from?

[SOC]

you lost me with this.

Have to agree with Derek, where is that coming from?

Lads I said possibly Skrtel and Lucas, is there a problem with my opinion in this thread, Lucas has been better than last season yes but if the opportunity arose to replace him I would along with Skrtel. Nothing against either of them just my opinion on strengthening the squad & the topic this thread was started on.

[Derekc]

Lads I said possibly Skrtel and Lucas, is there a problem with my opinion in this thread, Lucas has been better than last season yes but if the opportunity arose to replace him I would along with Skrtel. Nothing against either of them just my opinion on strengthening the squad & the topic this thread was started on.

No, i just don't agree with it.

Personally i'm surprised that anyone would still try and get rid of him.

[Fantana]

Lads I said possibly Skrtel and Lucas, is there a problem with my opinion in this thread, Lucas has been better than last season yes but if the opportunity arose to replace him I would along with Skrtel. Nothing against either of them just my opinion on strengthening the squad & the topic this thread was started on.

Have to agree that he has improved immensely and under Kenny he really seems to be grasping his role, but.. If we can find someone to do this role and be a bit more creative then I would have no hesitation letting Lucas go. He's probably the one who could raise most funds also. If we can't find someone better, then no problem with keeping him. Skrtel as well, he has improved over the last 2-3 games but is average in most areas of his defending.

[Derekc]

There's a perception that we can get better than Lucas, a holding midfielder who is also more creative. I'd like to know who these players are and a rough price? If posible no championship manager players with stats of 20.

I'm actually starting to think with Lucas it's personal and some fans just don't like the look of him.

I'm pretty sure if we win the league and he plays a starring role there will still be fans saying oh yea not bad but lets get someone better.

[reddy]

Lucas imo is the most improved player at Anfield over the last couple of seasons.
This is the result of hard work and commitment to the club . I believe there is
more to come from the lad and it would be a big mistake to let him go.

[Fantana]

There's a perception that we can get better than Lucas, a holding midfielder who is also more creative. I'd like to know who these players are and a rough price? If posible no championship manager players with stats of 20.

I'm actually starting to think with Lucas it's personal and some fans just don't like the look of him.

I'm pretty sure if we win the league and he plays a starring role there will still be fans saying oh yea not bad but lets get someone better.

Well that's for our scouting network to decide. If Lucas continues his current rate of progress and adds a few more strings to his bow then he can be a fulcrum for years. But there's always room for improvement and that goes for every position not just Lucas'.

[this]

He's been our best player for the last 18 months, I wouldn't even consider getting rid of him, have to agree with reddy & derek on that one, if we are just talking about getting shot of players & replace them with 'better' ones then the whole squad bar Reina are in the firing line.

[Derekc]

Well that's for our scouting network to decide. If Lucas continues his current rate of progress and adds a few more strings to his bow then he can be a fulcrum for years. But there's always room for improvement and that goes for every position not just Lucas'.

I agree with Lucas can still improve but my point is that fans think we can do better than Lucas. I'd like to know who these players are?

I'm not being funny on this, i can't think of anyone.

Diarra at Real, is he more creative?

Charlie Adam? Creative certainly but defensive cover?

Flamini? Is he better than Lucas?

Some young unknown player? If so why get rid of someone who is established and has improved dramtically.

I stand by my point regards Lucas. Some fans have formed a personal opinion of him that is not based on ability.

[Badman]

M'villa for me - i thik at least as good defensively as lucas but from the few games ive seen is better on the ball. would prob cost around 15m but, just a gut feeling, i think the guy is really good. like javier martinez also - prob seen him in 5 or 6 games ad i kinda rate him. that sai we should not sell lucas as he has shown deadly determination and character to deal withthe boo boys etc whn it'd have been easier to run and hide. he obviously loves the club and that counts for a lot in my eyes when we see what has gone on int he past week or so. even if we bought a top class midefielder, even schweinsteiger, i'd keep lucas coz u need top class squad nowadays and not just a top first 11...and i never thought i'd say it but he has been better than any of utd's midfield all season. and this simple-minded limerick man still cant work out how in the name of sweet divine moses they are still top of the league

[DKO]

I would agree with a lot of the names Smiley has mentioned. I would call back Darby/Insua/Degen/Konchesky/Aquilani and sell them on along with Jovanovic, Poulsen, Ngog and possibly Skrtel and Lucas aswell. I would be after bringing in another striker, a pacey winger, a left back, a centre back & a central defensive midfield. I originally believed 3 maybe 4 was all we needed but I will say now we need 5.

Hold on here a minute. Firstly Lucas should be offloaded this is why. Some people believe he is getting better all the time. There is no doubt Lucas has matured slightly and on the ball skills have improved. HOWEVER On a match to match basis he is not consistant enough he looks out of touch with alot of the Liverpool players. The reason us fans dont really like him is because he makes silly mistakes at the worst times. I might add he has given away several penalties and made several foolish challenges in the wrong areas that is what he does do on a consistant basis. Week after week you need a player that will play consistantly will have an understanding with his team mates and their respect. Someone asked who can we get in very simple. M'Villa french CDM who has made waves in france and who has now made his debut for France recently at just 20 years of age. Steven Defour who plays for Standard Liege In Belgium young very talented player who at present is injured but will only cost about 12 or 13 million as quoted by liege themselves. He is also a creative player and as most of you realise since alonso left we have been missing that and defour can also provide that for years to come. Another one in the premier league is Jack Rodwell playing for Everton now yes he would be very hard to sign and would be a hard move for him to make under the circumstances but it is well worth the try as he is also only 19/20 and would be around for years. Thats players that will only cost 10 to 13 also each club would enjoy cashing in as they are not all financially healthy clubs and could buy a couple of players with the money that they have recieved for a homegrown player that cost them nothing in the first place. If Liverpool wish to go for more experience and wish to splash the cash they could also go for Danielle De Rossi at Roma who cost in and around 25 million mid twenties and a proven player thats 4 options for you straight away. On the last point Lucas is just not good enough to play for Liverpool for anyone that remembers Liverpool greats over the years and anyone that does know that Liverpool is the biggest and greatest club In England Can you honestly HONESTLY say that Lucas matches that pedigree not a chance end of story.

Lastly SOC you are absolutely correct in your suggestions for transfers except you left out El Zhaar however Im sure that is just because he did not enter your mind and thats not a suprise considering his past performances

[dk.lfc]

Players out:
Koncheskey
Poulsen
Aqualani
Jovananic

What would peoples opinions be on getting rid of Johnson, Im not a big
fan of him at all and we could get 10-12 million for him I would take hand
and all and put it in the kitty.

[Fantana]

Hold on here a minute. Firstly Lucas should be offloaded this is why. Some people believe he is getting better all the time. There is no doubt Lucas has matured slightly and on the ball skills have improved. HOWEVER On a match to match basis he is not consistant enough he looks out of touch with alot of the Liverpool players. The reason us fans dont really like him is because he makes silly mistakes at the worst times. I might add he has given away several penalties and made several foolish challenges in the wrong areas that is what he does do on a consistant basis. Week after week you need a player that will play consistantly will have an understanding with his team mates and their respect. Someone asked who can we get in very simple. M'Villa french CDM who has made waves in france and who has now made his debut for France recently at just 20 years of age. Steven Defour who plays for Standard Liege In Belgium young very talented player who at present is injured but will only cost about 12 or 13 million as quoted by liege themselves. He is also a creative player and as most of you realise since alonso left we have
been missing that and defour can also provide that for years to come. Another one in the premier league is Jack Rodwell playing for Everton now yes he would be very hard to sign and would be a hard move for him to make under
the circumstances but it is well worth the try as he is also only 19/20 and would be around for years. Thats players that will only cost 10 to 13 also each club would enjoy cashing in as they are not all financially healthy clubs and
could buy a couple of players with the money that they have recieved for a homegrown player that cost them nothing in the first place. If Liverpool wish to go for more experience and wish to splash the cash they could also go for Danielle De Rossi at Roma who cost in and around 25 million mid twenties and
a proven player thats 4 options for you straight away. On the last point Lucas is just not good enough to play for Liverpool for anyone that remembers Liverpool greats over the years and anyone that does know that Liverpool is the biggest and greatest club In England Can you honestly HONESTLY say that Lucas matches that pedigree not a chance end of story.

Lastly SOC you are absolutely correct in your suggestions for transfers except you left out El Zhaar however Im sure that is just because he did not enter
your mind and thats not a suprise considering his past performances

Uh oh......

[Phil!]

Hold on here a minute. Firstly Lucas should be offloaded this is why. Some people believe he is getting better all the time. There is no doubt Lucas has matured slightly and on the ball skills have improved. HOWEVER On a match to match basis he is not consistant enough he looks out of touch with alot of the Liverpool players. The reason us fans dont really like him is because he makes silly mistakes at the worst times. I might add he has given away several penalties and made several foolish challenges in the wrong areas that is what he does do on a consistant basis. Week after week you need a player that will play consistantly will have an understanding with his team mates and their respect. Someone asked who can we get in very simple. M'Villa french CDM who has made waves in france and who has now made his debut for France recently at just 20 years of age. Steven Defour who plays for Standard Liege In Belgium young very talented player who at present is injured but will only cost about 12 or 13 million as quoted by liege themselves. He is also a creative player and as most of you realise since alonso left we have been missing that and defour can also provide that for years to come. Another one in the premier league is Jack Rodwell playing for Everton now yes he would be very hard to sign and would be a hard move for him to make under the circumstances but it is well worth the try as he is also only 19/20 and would be around for years. Thats players that will only cost 10 to 13 also each club would enjoy cashing in as they are not all financially healthy clubs and could buy a couple of players with the money that they have recieved for a homegrown player that cost them nothing in the first place. If Liverpool wish to go for more experience and wish to splash the cash they could also go for Danielle De Rossi at Roma who cost in and around 25 million mid twenties and a proven player thats 4 options for you straight away. On the last point Lucas is just not good enough to play for Liverpool for anyone that remembers Liverpool greats over the years and anyone that does know that Liverpool is the biggest and greatest club In England Can you honestly HONESTLY say that Lucas matches that pedigree not a chance end of story.

Lastly SOC you are absolutely correct in your suggestions for transfers except you left out El Zhaar however Im sure that is just because he did not enter your mind and thats not a suprise considering his past performances

Has he given away a peno this season? Can only remember the one against Villa in the first home game of last season. Im sure there has been more but refresh my memory if you can

[Fantana]

Has he given away a peno this season? Can only remember the one against Villa in the first home game of last season. Im sure there has been more but refresh my memory if you can

Your doing the lad a dis service there..... That was an own goal

[Phil!]

Your doing the lad a dis service there..... That was an own goal

Oh yeah thats right I remember now! Has there been any penos this season or last season? Like I said i'm sure there are but definately not enough to consider it a "regular" thing

[Derekc]

Lucas gave away a pen against wigan 08/09 season i believe. can't remember any others?

Stevie g gave away the pen against villa for what was shall we say a "rash tackle". Fantana is indeed correct on the own goal.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

he makes silly mistakes at the worst times. I might add he has given away several penalties and made several foolish challenges in the wrong areas that is what he does do on a consistant basis.


Wigan away 08/09.When did the rest of these "several penalties" occur out of interest?

[Derekc]

Wigan away 08/09.When did the rest of these "several penalties" occur out of interest?

i'm pretty sure a post will come back along the lines of "forget about the stats, us fans knows he aint good enough".

[Fantana]

Lucas gave away a pen against wigan 08/09 season i believe. can't remember any others?

Stevie g gave away the pen against villa for what was shall we say a "rash tackle". Fantana is indeed correct on the own goal.

He did give away the free kick that lead to the own goal but this is specifically about penalties so that ones null and void!:p

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

I'm actually starting to think with Lucas it's personal and some fans just don't like the look of him.


People see what they want to see.

When Torres was playing poorly and not putting in a shift it was all brushed under the carpet and put down to fitness,being isolated,tired cos he was up all night feeding the baby etc. etc. - people refused to accept the goldenboy wasn't arsed so they made excuses.

With Lucas it's the other extreme-no matter what he does it always seems to be a begrudging praise swiftly followed by a flawed cliche about "silly fouls" and "lack of creativity" and this is why he will never be good enough for us.

Wake up and watch the match-he's been consistently putting in a good shift for 2 seasons.The ONLY outfield player in our squad you could say that about.

[masterbenji]

lucas isnt a bad player..believe me if i seen him in the streets a year or so ago i would have hacked his knees off because i hated him as a player...there is no doubt he is coming along and playing well which is why im beginning to like him more but if we want a PL title challenging side either get rid of him, replace him with someone like defour or keep him as 3rd or 4th choice CM

[Derekc]

He did give away the free kick that lead to the own goal but this is specifically about penalties so that ones null and void!:p

did gerard not give away the pen to make it 3-1?

[ROCCO]

Thing with Lucas is he gives 100% and stuck with us through all the abuse and all the while trying to establish him self in a very average side that is now improving under Kenny.
Came into a side as Alonso left so came in to a side the imo just lost the biggest player we have transferred and missed mostly.
Lads still only 24 and improving all the time , some of the abuse is way of the mark and some of the high praise deserved but also off the mark , for myself Lucas is somewhere in between and improving all the time.
Lads deserves any credit and praise he gets.


To be put in a nut shell .
1.Came to us from a totally different football culture at only 19-20 after only 38 appearance for Grêmio and after winning the Golden Ball previously won by Zico Kaka , Tevez etc.
2.Came as a attacking midfielder and asked to play as a defensive midfielder.
3.Came into a average large playing side who had just lost our most important player in Alonso and was expected to step up to the plate.
4.Took the abuse from the fans and just got on with 100% commitment and effort.
5.Has won over the majority of the fans and has been 1 of our best players over the last 18 months and could be considered the best players at his position in the premier league in the 24 age bracket.
6.£5m well spent .

Long may his improvement and progression continue , just look at the Chelsea game to see how he has improved and look at the recent Fulham game to see how much he was missed.

[Fantana]

did gerard not give away the pen to make it 3-1?

He did indeed, but Lucas gave away a free kick on the edge of the box and that lead to his own goal

[7Cannibal-9Asbo]

If you want to see consistency look at his pass completion stats lately.

[ROCCO]

If you want to see consistency look at his pass completion stats lately.

His stats have always been high , its the direction of the pass that has improved imo.

Lucas still has parts of his game he needs to improve but has deserved time from the fans to progress without the abuse.

[garyc]

I have to admit, I would have been one of his harshest critics in the past, however he has won me over with his performances over the last year or so!

He does however as mentioned above get caught in posession a little too much for my liking, and he gives away quite a few free kicks, but having said that I would still be in favour of holding onto him UNLESS we got an offer of over 10mil (which i cant see happening)

[ROCCO]

http://www.footylounge.com/films/milankakabaros/lucas-v-chelsea-06-02-2011-video_0ee6dfdfd.html

Lucas compilation v chelsea



Passes (successful/unsuccessful)
vs Chelsea: 40/5 (87.5%)..........
vs Stoke: 66/8 (87.9%)............
vs Wolves: 42/11 (73.8%)
vs Everton: 42/8 (81%)
vs Blackpool: 39/11 (71.8%)

Tackles (won/lost)
vs Chelsea: 7/6 (53.8%).......
vs Stoke: 5/1 (83.3%)............
vs Wolves: 6/3 (66.7%)
vs Everton: 7/2 (77.8%)
vs Blackpool: 10/4 (71.4%)

[Malzheimer]

Hold on here a minute. Firstly Lucas should be offloaded this is why. Some people believe he is getting better all the time. There is no doubt Lucas has matured slightly and on the ball skills have improved. HOWEVER On a match to match basis he is not consistant enough he looks out of touch with alot of the Liverpool players. The reason us fans dont really like him is because he makes silly mistakes at the worst times. I might add he has given away several penalties and made several foolish challenges in the wrong areas that is what he does do on a consistant basis. Week after week you need a player that will play consistantly will have an understanding with his team mates and their respect. Someone asked who can we get in very simple. M'Villa french CDM who has made waves in france and who has now made his debut for France recently at just 20 years of age. Steven Defour who plays for Standard Liege In Belgium young very talented player who at present is injured but will only cost about 12 or 13 million as quoted by liege themselves. He is also a creative player and as most of you realise since alonso left we have been missing that and defour can also provide that for years to come. Another one in the premier league is Jack Rodwell playing for Everton now yes he would be very hard to sign and would be a hard move for him to make under the circumstances but it is well worth the try as he is also only 19/20 and would be around for years. Thats players that will only cost 10 to 13 also each club would enjoy cashing in as they are not all financially healthy clubs and could buy a couple of players with the money that they have recieved for a homegrown player that cost them nothing in the first place. If Liverpool wish to go for more experience and wish to splash the cash they could also go for Danielle De Rossi at Roma who cost in and around 25 million mid twenties and a proven player thats 4 options for you straight away. On the last point Lucas is just not good enough to play for Liverpool for anyone that remembers Liverpool greats over the years and anyone that does know that Liverpool is the biggest and greatest club In England Can you honestly HONESTLY say that Lucas matches that pedigree not a chance end of story.

Lastly SOC you are absolutely correct in your suggestions for transfers except you left out El Zhaar however Im sure that is just because he did not enter your mind and thats not a suprise considering his past performances

Sick of having to bang out the stats to show how important Lucas is to us. Do people slating him ever watch what he does for the team in games or if at the match see the ground he covers?

I know he polarises opinion and sometimes people go way ott in praise for him to lay it into the non-believers (me included sometimes) and others refuse to see an ever improving player no matter what he does. But this season the praise has been totally justified, in our top 3 players this season without doubt.

At the end of the day show me a more consistent player playing as a defensive mid in the prem in the last 18 months especially this season since Masch has gone where he has a defined role in the team.

I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion though but I just don't understand how people can say he is still not good enough after his performaces this year.

Love his song by the way, very catchy, hope it latches on.

As for your suggestions I haven't seen much of M'Villa apart from him doing well a couple of times for France so can't comment. Forget about De Rossi, bottler on the big stage and terrible disciplinary record and I don't trust Italians adapting to the prem. Defour has been out injured for a fair bit of the last year so don't see how you could suggest he would be an upgrade to Lucas. I would love to pinch Rodwell from the Blushi*te, he will be a class act. He is a red too and with Kenny back who knows. No doubt Moyes would resign if they sold him too us too. Interesting one.

[The Pernicious One]

http://www.footylounge.com/films/milankakabaros/lucas-v-chelsea-06-02-2011-video_0ee6dfdfd.html

Lucas compilation v chelsea



Passes (successful/unsuccessful)
vs Chelsea: 40/5 (87.5%)..........(52.8%)Gerrard
vs Stoke: 66/8 (87.9%)............(73.8%)Gerrard
vs Wolves: 42/11 (73.8%)
vs Everton: 42/8 (81%)
vs Blackpool: 39/11 (71.8%)

Tackles (won/lost)
vs Chelsea: 7/6 (53.8%).........(44.4%)Gerrard
vs Stoke: 5/1 (83.3%)............(72.7%)Gerrard
vs Wolves: 6/3 (66.7%)
vs Everton: 7/2 (77.8%)
vs Blackpool: 10/4 (71.4%)


Don’t think its fair comparing Lucas & Gerrard in that pattern.
You could also put in a stat to say;
Successful Assists
Gerrard 100%
Lucas 0%


But that would be an unfair statistic too.
Entirely different players with different values and roles for the team.
Lucas is a game breaker, whilst Gerrard is a game maker.

[Derekc]

He did indeed, but Lucas gave away a free kick on the edge of the box and that lead to his own goal

You lost me at hello chief? Phil said he thought Lucas gave away pen against villa, i said it was Gerard.

Point is DKO had said Lucas has given away several pen's, i mentioned the one he did against wigan and pointed out it was Gerard against villa.

If the criteria anywho is own goals and pen's to define a player then carra would have been booted out of the club head first quite some time ago.

[ROCCO]

Don’t think its fair comparing Lucas & Gerrard in that pattern.
You could also put in a stat to say;
Successful Assists
Gerrard 100%
Lucas 0%


But that would be an unfair statistic too.
Entirely different players with different values and roles for the team.
Lucas is a game breaker, whilst Gerrard is a game maker.
Agree

took it from elsewhere ... just interested in Lucas stats to be honest ,

Imo there plenty of things Lucas needs to add to his game if possible
Goals
Controlled Aggression
....... just feels the lad needs all the fans to get behind him.

[The Pernicious One]

took it from elsewhere ... just interested in Lucas stats to be honest ,

Imo there plenty of things Lucas needs to add to his game if possibleGoals
Goals
Controlled Aggression
....... just feels the lad needs all the fans to get behind him.

I think he already has the fans onside at the moment to be honest.
A few goals would improve his all round game no end. This season alone , think it was Bolton or Wolves at home, he has been in very good positions yet fluffed the chances, also remember him spurning a few headed chances over the past couple of season.
Maybe a little more composure is whats required.

[Shay]

I wouldnt worry about him having a low goal count for someone that sits so deep, one or two a season would be great. If he can keep maturing and start to control the tempo of the game a bit more i think he'd have more of an impact. Bags of potential this lad, he's on a great improvement curve and well deserves his place in the side right now

[ROCCO]

I wouldnt worry about him having a low goal count for someone that sits so deep, one or two a season would be great. If he can keep maturing and start to control the tempo of the game a bit more i think he'd have more of an impact. Bags of potential this lad, he's on a great improvement curve and well deserves his place in the side right now

Its not really the low goal count , he does get into goal scoring positions but not taking full advantage of them has missed the target a few times with his head ,when should have put them in the net.

[ISTANBUL VET]

Could anybody actually see the club wanting to sell Lucas?

[Shay]

Could anybody actually see the club wanting to sell Lucas?

Not right now as he fits the scope of FSG but as we all know anything can happen in football

[Derekc]

Granted it was with Roy but they said they were planning on offering Lucas a new contract so i hope not.

http://www.liverpoolfcnews.net/roy-hodgson-confirms-liverpool-are-planning-to-offer-lucas-new-contract/

[ROCCO]

Could anybody actually see the club wanting to sell Lucas?

No , not now.

Think his contract is up in 2012.

[Fantana]

You lost me at hello chief? Phil said he thought Lucas gave away pen against villa, i said it was Gerard.

Point is DKO had said Lucas has given away several pen's, i mentioned the one he did against wigan and pointed out it was Gerard against villa.

If the criteria anywho is own goals and pen's to define a player then carra would have been booted out of the club head first quite some time ago.

I don't know what we're disagreeing on? I'm confused. Could be from the cows in the next field waking me up so early. We're both right ain't we?

[ISTANBUL VET]

No , not now.

Think his contract is up in 2012.

I think it would be a priority to extend it for what it is worth.

[Derekc]

I don't know what we're disagreeing on? I'm confused. Could be from the cows in the next field waking me up so early. We're both right ain't we?

moo!

[DKO]

Sick of having to bang out the stats to show how important Lucas is to us. Do people slating him ever watch what he does for the team in games or if at the match see the ground he covers?

I know he polarises opinion and sometimes people go way ott in praise for him to lay it into the non-believers (me included sometimes) and others refuse to see an ever improving player no matter what he does. But this season the praise has been totally justified, in our top 3 players this season without doubt.

At the end of the day show me a more consistent player playing as a defensive mid in the prem in the last 18 months especially this season since Masch has gone where he has a defined role in the team.

I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion though but I just don't understand how people can say he is still not good enough after his performaces this year.

Mal can I just ask which song you are reffering to its just I posted a song on another thread and was wondering if you had read it.

Love his song by the way, very catchy, hope it latches on.

As for your suggestions I haven't seen much of M'Villa apart from him doing well a couple of times for France so can't comment. Forget about De Rossi, bottler on the big stage and terrible disciplinary record and I don't trust Italians adapting to the prem. Defour has been out injured for a fair bit of the last year so don't see how you could suggest he would be an upgrade to Lucas. I would love to pinch Rodwell from the Blushi*te, he will be a class act. He is a red too and with Kenny back who knows. No doubt Moyes would resign if they sold him too us too. Interesting one.

Firstly I have seen a fair bit of defour and he is a very composed player and for the record he his technical ability and creative ability are far beyond Lucas. Defour has been scouted by europes clubs for a while now and because of injuries he may have been at anfield already as nobody was willing to buy until he is fit and back to his best which has been stated on several internet sites. Secondly yes Lucas has improved without doubt but he still makes critical mistakes fairly regularly. Someone also stated there Lucases pass completion rate against Chelsea BIG DEAL. What people havent noticed is that Lucas extremely rarely does anything creative with the ball the majority of his passes are short ones. I think people are forgetting which club we support here I mean seriously if your gonna tell me that Lucas can be apart of a team that will win champions Leagues And Premier Leagues your crazy he is not consistant enough he is not a Liverpool player simple as that. Now I will also defend him as I said there he has improved this season yes and he keeps plodding away again and again and doesnt do anything that upsets anybody he stays quiet and just gets on with it. I can understand people defending him in ways but you must realise at the end of the day he doesnt quite cut and there are many players out there that can replace him not only that but I believe there are two midfielders coming through the ranks at Liverpool Andre Wisdom And Connor Coady who are appearantly progressing quite well and have already made appearances for england at their respective age groups time to give the youth a chance Kenny they ll try their heart out its their dream to play for the greatest club in the world.

[DKO]

Mal

Was just referring to what you said bot a song there to who are you refferring I only ask because I posted one on the other threads and was wondering what you all thought.

PS. Sorry for a repost in this section about a different topic

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Someone also stated there Lucases pass completion rate against Chelsea BIG DEAL. What people havent noticed is that Lucas extremely rarely does anything creative with the ball the majority of his passes are short ones.


It is a big deal actually.Did you see how hapless and over-ran we were in the middle against Fulham without him to break up the play and keep things simple and hold on to posession?

Being creative isn't his role in the team.Would it make you happy if he wore shiny boots and lost posession attempting hollywood passes the entire time?

You still didn't fill us in about all these penalties he's given away btw....

[Fantana]

Sick of having to bang out the stats to show how important Lucas is to us. Do people slating him ever watch what he does for the team in games or if at the match see the ground he covers?

I know he polarises opinion and sometimes people go way ott in praise for him to lay it into the non-believers (me included sometimes) and others refuse to see an ever improving player no matter what he does. But this season the praise has been totally justified, in our top 3 players this season without doubt.

At the end of the day show me a more consistent player playing as a defensive mid in the prem in the last 18 months especially this season since Masch has gone where he has a defined role in the team.

I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion though but I just don't understand how people can say he is still not good enough after his
performaces this year.

Love his song by the way, very catchy, hope it latches on.

As for your suggestions I haven't seen much of M'Villa apart from him doing well a couple of times for France so can't comment. Forget about De Rossi, bottler on the big stage and terrible disciplinary record and I don't trust Italians adapting to the prem. Defour has been out injured for a fair bit of the

last year so don't see how you could suggest he would be an upgrade to Lucas. I would love to pinch Rodwell from the Blushi*te, he will be a class act. He is a red too and with Kenny back who knows. No doubt Moyes would resign if they sold him too us too. Interesting one.


Rodwell is a great shout. The type of athletic midfielder that would make a huge impact and tick all the right boxes. Don't see it happening unless he's a very brave lad off the pitch. Not as easy moving from one to the other as it used to be, a lot more bitterness and vindictiveness out there and lot more ways to make someones life a misery

[bobby benitez]

Rodwell is a great shout. The type of athletic midfielder that would make a huge impact and tick all the right boxes. Don't see it happening unless he's a very brave lad off the pitch. Not as easy moving from one to the other as it used to be, a lot more bitterness and vindictiveness out there and lot more ways to make someones life a misery

18 months ago I suggested we move heaven and earth to get this lad, since then he hasn't progressed at all. He seems quite injury prone which would be a concern for me. Maybe playing with better players would bring him on;)

[Fantana]

18 months ago I suggested we move heaven and earth to get this lad, since then he hasn't progressed at all. He seems quite injury prone which would be a concern for me. Maybe playing with better players would bring him on;)

Yeah that would be the one worry, and he has missed big chunks of the last 18months, but Stevie used to be very injury prone at that age as well. Plus apparently Rodwell was just flogged to death and played in every game he was qualified to when underage because of his ability and size and that does catch up with you. Perfect long term replacement for Stevie if he gets back on track. He did have a look of awe on his face when Kenny emerged from the tunnel before the derby.

[7Cannibal-9Asbo]

(1)Firstly I have seen a fair bit of defour and he is a very composed player and for the record he his technical ability and creative ability are far beyond Lucas. Defour has been scouted by europes clubs for a while now and because of injuries he may have been at anfield already as nobody was willing to buy until he is fit and back to his best which has been stated on several internet sites. Secondly yes Lucas has improved without doubt but he still makes critical mistakes fairly regularly. Someone also stated there Lucases pass completion rate against Chelsea (2)BIG DEAL. What people havent noticed is that Lucas extremely rarely does anything creative with the ball the majority of his passes are short ones. (3)I think people are forgetting which club we support here I mean seriously if your gonna tell me that Lucas can be apart of a team that will (4)win champions Leagues And Premier Leagues your crazy he is not consistant enough he is not a Liverpool player simple as that. Now I will also defend him as I said there he has improved this season yes and he keeps plodding away again and again and doesnt do anything that upsets anybody he stays quiet and just gets on with it. I can understand people defending him in ways but you must realise at the end of the day he doesnt quite cut and there are many players out there that can replace him not only that but I believe there are two midfielders coming through the ranks at Liverpool Andre Wisdom And Connor Coady who are appearantly progressing quite well and have already made appearances for england at their respective age groups time to give the youth a chance Kenny they ll try their heart out its their dream to play for the greatest club in the world.

(1) They're two different types of player, lucas breaks up play and is the link between our defence and attacking players, if you had 3 midfielders bombing on we'd be fcuked at the back.

(2) It's a fairly big deal having a player playing the simple balls to feet because it will start a lot more attacks than the lad who pings 30 or 40 yard passes around the pitch while missing with half of them or having them intercepted

(3) Liverpool isn't built around flash players in all 11 positions, we need workers in the team and players to do the dirty work. You can buy ll the flash players you want but they'll never work without a few workers in the team.

(4) United won both with midfielders much worse than Lucas and we won the champions League with Djimi Traore

[bono]

Roy Keane did very little creatively with the ball but what he did do was maintain possession & win possession very similar to what Lucas does.

Lucas is not a player I'd like to see leave.

[ISTANBUL VET]

I'm shocked that this thread has disintegrated into a 'Get rid of Lucas' rant.

[Fantana]

Roy Keane did very little creatively with the ball but what he did do was maintain possession & win possession very similar to what Lucas does.

Lucas is not a player I'd like to see leave.

Ah now. In fairness in his later years he was limited in his role to a get it and give it sensibly midfielder but when he was Lucas age he was developing into one of the most dynamic players Europe. Anyway I have no problem with his use of the ball, it was badly missed against Fulham, I would just personally prefer a more physical presence to be allied to this use if the ball like a Schweinsteiger or Essien(not saying we'll get either by the way) or classically a Souness or Hamann. I just feel Lucas can be overpowered physically such as when Drogba knocked off the ball for Torres chance last week.
I'd still definitely keep him, he has a lot to give

[DKO]

It is a big deal actually.Did you see how hapless and over-ran we were in the middle against Fulham without him to break up the play and keep things simple and hold on to posession?

Being creative isn't his role in the team.Would it make you happy if he wore shiny boots and lost posession attempting hollywood passes the entire time?

You still didn't fill us in about all these penalties he's given away btw....

Firstly hope you watched the game on setanta ohhhh did I hear David Fairclough crucify him the whole match did u see his sloppy passing did u see the fouls he gave away. I rest my case ohhh yes he breaks up play let me tell you something there is far better out there than him for breaking up play yet again today when we are up against it he does absolutely nothing ohh yes we won the champions league with traore that was a magic season in which Liverpool played super in europe with the team they had I dont know how just our great club on big nights everyone gets the liverpool feeling what you still do not get is he is not consistant enough for us. I guarantee you not one of the Liverpool greats thinks he is good enough to stay there or be apart of the clubs if you watched the game today I do not need to say anymore considering what fairclough said. Ohh Im sorry but I cant remember every stupid free or penalty Lucas has given away but again he has given away free kicks today in silly positions ohh and by the way have a look above the comments I believe people have stated he has given alot of fouls away in stupid areas at important times I believe that is the only thing he does consistantly

[Kop On]

Firstly hope you watched the game on setanta ohhhh did I hear David Fairclough crucify him the whole match did u see his sloppy passing did u see the fouls he gave away. I rest my case ohhh yes he breaks up play let me tell you something there is far better out there than him for breaking up play yet again today when we are up against it he does absolutely nothing ohh yes we won the champions league with traore that was a magic season in which Liverpool played super in europe with the team they had I dont know how just our great club on big nights everyone gets the liverpool feeling what you still do not get is he is not consistant enough for us. I guarantee you not one of the Liverpool greats thinks he is good enough to stay there or be apart of the clubs if you watched the game today I do not need to say anymore considering what fairclough said. Ohh Im sorry but I cant remember every stupid free or penalty Lucas has given away but again he has given away free kicks today in silly positions ohh and by the way have a look above the comments I believe people have stated he has given alot of fouls away in stupid areas at important times I believe that is the only thing he does consistantly


Apart from Suarez and Reina, every other player played below par for us today in my opinion. It happens to every player. Chelsea had a £50M player last week play as bad as I've ever seen any player play, yet we all know how incredible that player can be at times.
Is David Fairclough ever really positive about Liverpool, along with Houghton and Ronnie Whelan he is one of the most pessimistic ex-reds I've ever heard. If you're going to take what he says as gospel then god help you.
We were doing fine today in Midfield until we lost Raul. Do you not think that once he was gone our midfield balance was thrown completely. Lucas was then partnered with Fabio, a left back, who naturally doesn't have the same instincts in midfield as a player that plays there regularly. If you don't think that made Lucas' job harder then I don't think you understand football.
If Stevie G had a bad game and David Fairclugh slated him, would you be as quick into the Stevie G thread to have a go? I seriously doubt it.
Like many pool fans, your mind on Lucas is made up so it doesn't matter what he ever does she still won't see the positive. You've had too many arguments with people where you've said he's shit and you'll always be too proud to ever admit maybe you were wrong.

[megager]

@DKO ill make my own mind up, don't give a shit what fairclough says and just because he doesn't rate him means jack. Sure he's no superstar but he does an important job. Poor today but he has improved so much in 2 years. He outplayed essien and mikel last week. I think he's worth his place but hell never win everyone over.

[megager]

Apart from Suarez and Reina, every other player played below par for us today in my opinion. It happens to every player. Chelsea had a £50M player last week play as bad as I've ever seen any player play, yet we all know how incredible that player can be at times.
Is David Fairclough ever really positive about Liverpool, along with Houghton and Ronnie Whelan he is one of the most pessimistic ex-reds I've ever heard. If you're going to take what he says as gospel then god help you.
We were doing fine today in Midfield until we lost Raul. Do you not think that once he was gone our midfield balance was thrown completely. Lucas was then partnered with Fabio, a left back, who naturally doesn't have the same instincts in midfield as a player that plays there regularly. If you don't think that made Lucas' job harder then I don't think you understand football.
If Stevie G had a bad game and David Fairclugh slated him, would you be as quick into the Stevie G thread to have a go? I seriously doubt it.
Like many pool fans, your mind on Lucas is made up so it doesn't matter what he ever does she still won't see the positive. You've had too many arguments with people where you've said he's shit and you'll always be too proud to ever admit maybe you were wrong.


Agree with all of that

[bobby benitez]

[LIST=1]
We were doing fine today in Midfield until we lost Raul. Do you not think that once he was gone our midfield balance was thrown completely. Lucas was then partnered with Fabio, a left back, who naturally doesn't have the same instincts in midfield as a player that plays there regularly. If you don't think that made Lucas' job harder then I don't think you understand football.


Can't agree with this, Lucas was shit before Raul went off.

[Fantana]

Can't agree with this, Lucas was shit before Raul went off.

Snap. And even Raul wasn't that hectic today but apparently he was ill.
Agger was the major loss today, as when he plays he brings the defence 5-10 yards further up the pitch and forces the opposition on to the back foot.
Lucas is a good supporting actor but will never step up to leading man

[Derekc]

Firstly hope you watched the game on setanta ohhhh did I hear David Fairclough crucify him the whole match did u see his sloppy passing did u see the fouls he gave away. I rest my case ohhh yes he breaks up play let me tell you something there is far better out there than him for breaking up play yet again today when we are up against it he does absolutely nothing ohh yes we won the champions league with traore that was a magic season in which Liverpool played super in europe with the team they had I dont know how just our great club on big nights everyone gets the liverpool feeling what you still do not get is he is not consistant enough for us. I guarantee you not one of the Liverpool greats thinks he is good enough to stay there or be apart of the clubs if you watched the game today I do not need to say anymore considering what fairclough said. Ohh Im sorry but I cant remember every stupid free or penalty Lucas has given away but again he has given away free kicks today in silly positions ohh and by the way have a look above the comments I believe people have stated he has given alot of fouls away in stupid areas at important times I believe that is the only thing he does consistantly

Baby jesus cried. Seriously you should try and form our own opinions. I mean why not tell Martin Kelly to slag off, he got skinned at least twice today.

I’m embarrassed we share the same name and follow the same club.

[7Cannibal-9Asbo]

Firstly hope you watched the game on setanta ohhhh did I hear David Fairclough crucify him the whole match did u see his sloppy passing did u see the fouls he gave away. I rest my case ohhh yes he breaks up play let me tell you something there is far better out there than him for breaking up play yet again today when we are up against it he does absolutely nothing ohh yes we won the champions league with traore that was a magic season in which Liverpool played super in europe with the team they had I dont know how just our great club on big nights everyone gets the liverpool feeling what you still do not get is he is not consistant enough for us. I guarantee you not one of the Liverpool greats thinks he is good enough to stay there or be apart of the clubs if you watched the game today I do not need to say anymore considering what fairclough said. Ohh Im sorry but I cant remember every stupid free or penalty Lucas has given away but again he has given away free kicks today in silly positions ohh and by the way have a look above the comments I believe people have stated he has given alot of fouls away in stupid areas at important times I believe that is the only thing he does consistantly

I reckon Kenny might :cool::rolleyes:

[babbsnads]

I'm shocked that this thread has disintegrated into a 'Get rid of Lucas' rant.

Im not. The one positive for a lot of people yesterday was Lucas having a bad game. We were at the stage where a lot of the Lucas bashers were having to admit they were wrong about him. The fact that it's been a while since that he's been slated on here shows his consistency imo.Lucas is one of our most important players at the moment. Are there better players in the world than Lucas to do the job he does?I'm sure there are. But there's probably a better player out there for every position in our team,but you improve the areas where youre weak first,si I think it would be silly to shell out a fortune to replace a player who once again has been one of our top performers this season.

I'm certain that people don't understand his role in the team because he's being criticised for not doing things that he's not in the team to do. His passing seems to be constantly questioned also. His passing has been excellent. The Chelsea game in particular,some of his intricate passing and composure to keep possession in tight areas was fantastic. As someone said,he's not a man for the Hollywood passing but so what. He keeps possession brilliantly which is a big factor in the way Kenny wants the team to play. His energy is tremendous too and his workrate but sadly it looked like it caught up with him yesterday because what we saw was a tired player.

If Kenny goes out in the summer and buys a player that improves us in that position,I'll gladly watch Lucas step aside. But I'd be willing to bet he won't so I think some people will have to accept he's going to be in the side for a while to come. Still,at least they'll be able to say "I told you so" everytime he has a bad game. But I have a feeling it won't be as often as they think.

[ISTANBUL VET]

I asked the question earlier'Does anyone think we will sell Lucas ?'
It was a rhetorical question.

[babbsnads]

I asked the question earlier'Does anyone think we will sell Lucas ?'
It was a rhetorical question.

I know pal. Wasn't having a go at you. Just my own little rant about some of the myths that get pedalled about Lucas.

[Badman]

I asked the question earlier'Does anyone think we will sell Lucas ?'
It was a rhetorical question.

dont think he'll be sold to be honest - but ifthe finances are there after the winger, left back and centrehalf are bought then i think someone better on the ball will be brought in - but lucas will still be a valuable member of the squad. i like M'vila as i've said before, also like javier martinez but not sure how he'd cope in england...i'd be more confident in M'vila as i watched the france v england game recently and he was excellent agaisnt teh 'best of england'. lucas is ideal agaisnt the top opposition but is, like kuyt, offering nothing agaisnt the weaker opposition which is my bone of contention with both. love their attitiude and desire etc, but that needs to be augmented by technique, vision, touch etc which unfortunately both are lacking in. i like both players in case its misunderstood i'v something agaisnt 'em...i just think if we're gonna contend titles we need a top midfielder like the above (or alonso!!!) and a top pacy wide player who doesnt constantly lose the ball witha poor toch

[ISTANBUL VET]

I know pal. Wasn't having a go at you. Just my own little rant about some of the myths that get pedalled about Lucas.

I know forums are about opinion,banter etc.but some fans live in a fantasy world.
In the day they would probably have voiced the same opinion about Sammy Lee or Jimmy Case.
There are Manc fans who criticise Carrick,Anderson,O'Shea among others but sad to say they have been part of a very successful squad.

[Derekc]

Im not. The one positive for a lot of people yesterday was Lucas having a bad game. We were at the stage where a lot of the Lucas bashers were having to admit they were wrong about him. The fact that it's been a while since that he's been slated on here shows his consistency imo.Lucas is one of our most important players at the moment. Are there better players in the world than Lucas to do the job he does?I'm sure there are. But there's probably a better player out there for every position in our team,but you improve the areas where youre weak first,si I think it would be silly to shell out a fortune to replace a player who once again has been one of our top performers this season.

I'm certain that people don't understand his role in the team because he's being criticised for not doing things that he's not in the team to do. His passing seems to be constantly questioned also. His passing has been excellent. The Chelsea game in particular,some of his intricate passing and composure to keep possession in tight areas was fantastic. As someone said,he's not a man for the Hollywood passing but so what. He keeps possession brilliantly which is a big factor in the way Kenny wants the team to play. His energy is tremendous too and his workrate but sadly it looked like it caught up with him yesterday because what we saw was a tired player.

If Kenny goes out in the summer and buys a player that improves us in that position,I'll gladly watch Lucas step aside. But I'd be willing to bet he won't so I think some people will have to accept he's going to be in the side for a while to come. Still,at least they'll be able to say "I told you so" everytime he has a bad game. But I have a feeling it won't be as often as they think.

great post mate.

[JFT96YNWA]

Im not. The one positive for a lot of people yesterday was Lucas having a bad game. We were at the stage where a lot of the Lucas bashers were having to admit they were wrong about him. The fact that it's been a while since that he's been slated on here shows his consistency imo.Lucas is one of our most important players at the moment. Are there better players in the world than Lucas to do the job he does?I'm sure there are. But there's probably a better player out there for every position in our team,but you improve the areas where youre weak first,si I think it would be silly to shell out a fortune to replace a player who once again has been one of our top performers this season.

I'm certain that people don't understand his role in the team because he's being criticised for not doing things that he's not in the team to do. His passing seems to be constantly questioned also. His passing has been excellent. The Chelsea game in particular,some of his intricate passing and composure to keep possession in tight areas was fantastic. As someone said,he's not a man for the Hollywood passing but so what. He keeps possession brilliantly which is a big factor in the way Kenny wants the team to play. His energy is tremendous too and his workrate but sadly it looked like it caught up with him yesterday because what we saw was a tired player.

If Kenny goes out in the summer and buys a player that improves us in that position,I'll gladly watch Lucas step aside. But I'd be willing to bet he won't so I think some people will have to accept he's going to be in the side for a while to come. Still,at least they'll be able to say "I told you so" everytime he has a bad game. But I have a feeling it won't be as often as they think.

Excellent post mate :)

[Malzheimer]

Mal

Was just referring to what you said bot a song there to who are you refferring I only ask because I posted one on the other threads and was wondering what you all thought.

PS. Sorry for a repost in this section about a different topic

Shitty version but you get the picture, gonna be belting this one out in Prague this week. Do do do do do do

JTpQZCEpuCo

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Firstly hope you watched the game on setanta ohhhh did I hear David Fairclough crucify him the whole match did u see his sloppy passing did u see the fouls he gave away. I rest my case ohhh yes he breaks up play let me tell you something there is far better out there than him for breaking up play yet again today when we are up against it he does absolutely nothing ohh yes we won the champions league with traore that was a magic season in which Liverpool played super in europe with the team they had I dont know how just our great club on big nights everyone gets the liverpool feeling what you still do not get is he is not consistant enough for us. I guarantee you not one of the Liverpool greats thinks he is good enough to stay there or be apart of the clubs if you watched the game today I do not need to say anymore considering what fairclough said. Ohh Im sorry but I cant remember every stupid free or penalty Lucas has given away but again he has given away free kicks today in silly positions ohh and by the way have a look above the comments I believe people have stated he has given alot of fouls away in stupid areas at important times I believe that is the only thing he does consistantly


I don't know what's more embarrassing-the fact you seem happy one of our own had his first off day in ages so you could give a big "i told you so" to a stranger over the internet or the fact you think 'the co-commentator said it so it must be true'.:o

[F@ces]

Im not. The one positive for a lot of people yesterday was Lucas having a bad game. We were at the stage where a lot of the Lucas bashers were having to admit they were wrong about him. The fact that it's been a while since that he's been slated on here shows his consistency imo.Lucas is one of our most important players at the moment. Are there better players in the world than Lucas to do the job he does?I'm sure there are. But there's probably a better player out there for every position in our team,but you improve the areas where youre weak first,si I think it would be silly to shell out a fortune to replace a player who once again has been one of our top performers this season.

I'm certain that people don't understand his role in the team because he's being criticised for not doing things that he's not in the team to do. His passing seems to be constantly questioned also. His passing has been excellent. The Chelsea game in particular,some of his intricate passing and composure to keep possession in tight areas was fantastic. As someone said,he's not a man for the Hollywood passing but so what. He keeps possession brilliantly which is a big factor in the way Kenny wants the team to play. His energy is tremendous too and his workrate but sadly it looked like it caught up with him yesterday because what we saw was a tired player.

If Kenny goes out in the summer and buys a player that improves us in that position,I'll gladly watch Lucas step aside. But I'd be willing to bet he won't so I think some people will have to accept he's going to be in the side for a while to come. Still,at least they'll be able to say "I told you so" everytime he has a bad game. But I have a feeling it won't be as often as they think.

Excellent post.

[DKO]

Firstly the likes of ronnie whelan are pessamistic because they hate to see us the way we are now and the way we have been and yes even I believe people at times just knock us cos it makes them feel better so i ll accept that one. Secondly yes the midfield fell apart after meirelles was taken off and was not only lucas having a bad game absolutely correct there. But quite simply as I have told you a million times before its the mistakes he has made and continues to make that is my concern. Answer me this question would chelsea or man city have Lucas in their team or even arsenal for that matter. I dont think so!!!! yes your quite possibly right that I am not giving him any credit maybe I am been a little harsh on him however the point im just trying to get across is that he is not good enough to be part of team that wants to get back to where it once was. At the end of the day it is a matter of opinion I suppose and you are entitled to yours so I guess we will just leave it at that and see what happens with him over the coming months

[Derschlimm]

Shawcross or Cahill.....Philip Lahm.......Scott parker.....N'zogbia. That should do it !

[Derschlimm]

great post mate.

Ditto !!!

[Dubred]

Firstly the likes of ronnie whelan are pessamistic because they hate to see us the way we are now and the way we have been and yes even I believe people at times just knock us cos it makes them feel better so i ll accept that one. Secondly yes the midfield fell apart after meirelles was taken off and was not only lucas having a bad game absolutely correct there. But quite simply as I have told you a million times before its the mistakes he has made and continues to make that is my concern. Answer me this question would chelsea or man city have Lucas in their team or even arsenal for that matter. I dont think so!!!! yes your quite possibly right that I am not giving him any credit maybe I am been a little harsh on him however the point im just trying to get across is that he is not good enough to be part of team that wants to get back to where it once was. At the end of the day it is a matter of opinion I suppose and you are entitled to yours so I guess we will just leave it at that and see what happens with him over the coming months
Dont fool yourself about Ronnie he's a pundit first and a fan second and a very poor one IMO. Has not got the balls to form his own opinion and spew's the same shite every donkey from Andy Gray to Eammon Dunphy does. Ronnie will never rock the boat and go against the consensus he'll just go with the flow and stay nice n safe in his cushy number.

[Malzheimer]

Firstly the likes of ronnie whelan are pessamistic because they hate to see us the way we are now and the way we have been and yes even I believe people at times just knock us cos it makes them feel better so i ll accept that one. Secondly yes the midfield fell apart after meirelles was taken off and was not only lucas having a bad game absolutely correct there. But quite simply as I have told you a million times before its the mistakes he has made and continues to make that is my concern. Answer me this question would chelsea or man city have Lucas in their team or even arsenal for that matter. I dont think so!!!! yes your quite possibly right that I am not giving him any credit maybe I am been a little harsh on him however the point im just trying to get across is that he is not good enough to be part of team that wants to get back to where it once was. At the end of the day it is a matter of opinion I suppose and you are entitled to yours so I guess we will just leave it at that and see what happens with him over the coming months

Chelsea: Mikel and Ramires. Yes I would have Lucas over these.
Arsenal: Song/Denilson. Close one I'd have him over Denilson anyway.
Man City: Barry. Any day of the week Lucas.
Man Utd: Anderson Carrick Gibson. Lucas Lucas Lucas.

[babbsnads]

Chelsea: Mikel and Ramires. Yes I would have Lucas over these.
Arsenal: Song/Denilson. Close one I'd have him over Denilson anyway.
Man City: Barry. Any day of the week Lucas.
Man Utd: Anderson Carrick Gibson. Lucas Lucas Lucas.

Can't argue with that.

[RedTom]

He sure is having a hell of a season. Definetly contender for player of the season!

[sultana]

Chelsea: Mikel and Ramires. Yes I would have Lucas over these.
Arsenal: Song/Denilson. Close one I'd have him over Denilson anyway.
Man City: Barry. Any day of the week Lucas.
Man Utd: Anderson Carrick Gibson. Lucas Lucas Lucas.

It's a matter of opinion- I think he has improved beyond all recognition and I think he gets a raw deal.

Having said that I disagree with you. I would take every one of those players over Lucas bar Gibson and Denilson.

Both Mikel and Ramires are way better than Lucas IMO. But it's unfair to compare some of those players to Lucas they play a different role and also they are surrounded by better players.

[barrydoherty]

It's a matter of opinion- I think he has improved beyond all recognition and I think he gets a raw deal.

Having said that I disagree with you. I would take every one of those players over Lucas bar Gibson and Denilson.

Both Mikel and Ramires are way better than Lucas IMO. But it's unfair to compare some of those players to Lucas they play a different role and also they are surrounded by better players.

Have to agree. I like Lucas but If we are on about a defensive midfielder from that list, I would have Song, Barry, Mikel before him.

[smiley1987]

What would people think about philippe mexes coming as cover for the defence , I think he is a decent solid player and is available on a free this summer .

[elvis]

What would people think about philippe mexes coming as cover for the defence , I think he is a decent solid player and is available on a free this summer .

Id take him in a heartbeat, I think he is quality, would add much needed strength and experience to our defence. If we got him, we could ship Skrtel or the Greek out. Cant see it happening, we never go for players like him, (bar Joe Cole) Would be a great signing.

[ROCCO]

What would people think about philippe mexes coming as cover for the defence , I think he is a decent solid player and is available on a free this summer .

Im sure he was injured for a lot of last season , but playing regular this season ..

[trucker]

What would people think about philippe mexes coming as cover for the defence , I think he is a decent solid player and is available on a free this summer .

IMO Mexes isn't great, and our current 4 centre halves are all better by some distance, I wouldn't go near him, hopefully the days of signing foreign players looking for a retirement contract are gone, we've pissed away millions on Degen Voronin and jovanavic on so called free transfers, there not free and they couldn't care if they play or not.
If we were to sell Skertl I'd rather we went for a young hungry player to replace him. Anyway FSG aren't gona give the go ahead for these big wage bosmans for players at end of there days.

[ISTANBUL VET]

Just a guess but I imagine that we will be looking at British players--Cahill,Young and Adam.

[bobby benitez]

IMO Mexes isn't great, and our current 4 centre halves are all better by some distance, I wouldn't go near him, hopefully the days of signing foreign players looking for a retirement contract are gone, we've pissed away millions on Degen Voronin and jovanavic on so called free transfers, there not free and they couldn't care if they play or not.
If we were to sell Skertl I'd rather we went for a young hungry player to replace him. Anyway FSG aren't gona give the go ahead for these big wage bosmans for players at end of there days.

Your been kind to him, he's shite.

[ROCCO]

Your been kind to him, he's shite.

Glad you said it .... im also sure he has had a lot of injuries since 2008 ..


Always ask yourself why is he free in the summer ..

Cole
Voro
Jova
etc

[byrnetred]

Never understood how players 30+ were given big contracts,

Arsenal have the right idea, one years rollin contracts,

[trucker]

Whatever about what's needed, we've Kuyt Maxi Jovanavic and Cole earning £15m between them and offer little if anything, skertel donkey, snd Poulsen, Konchesky, Insua and Aqualani all need to be moved off the books asap.
A left back, centre half, defensive midfielder and creative, winger and striker all needed

[bono]

Whatever about what's needed, we've Kuyt Maxi Jovanavic and Cole earning £15m between them and offer little if anything, skertel donkey, snd Poulsen, Konchesky, Insua and Aqualani all need to be moved off the books asap.
A left back, centre half, defensive midfielder and creative, winger and striker all needed

Out of all the players you mentioned there only Kuyt would be the one I'd keep but purely just as a squad player.

15MIL nearly got sick when I read that surely thats flagged with the owners aswell & Hopefully they'll do something about it.What a mess those other two cowboys left behind.

[Fantana]

Been thinking about the team I'd like to see for the first game of next season, mainly because I can't wait for this one to end after today. Seeing Carroll and Suarez gel is the only real thing we have to look forward to in the league and if I'm honest I think we may come up short in Europa lge as we are about to step up in class and I think our lack of pace will catch up with us, desperately hope I'm wrong.
Centre half, winger, midfielder and left back are first 11 priorities.


............................Reina................. .

Kelly..........G Cahill.............Agger............Johnson

A Young.............Gerrard...............Meireles.. ..........Nzogbia

..........................Suarez...............Car roll.................



OR


.................. ............Reina............................

...............Kelly..........Cahill............ Agger.......

Johnson......Gerrard.......Mvila......Raul........ .....A Young.......

......................Suarez..................Carr oll............



Have to say I'm leaning towards the 2nd option more and more. Ok Ashley Young left wing without a left back behind may be asking for trouble but I really couldn't pinpoint a realistic attacking left back that we could target and I really think Young will come in this summer. The more I think about it I can't see a place for Charlie Adam either as we are lacking pace so painfully and he wouldn't be the answer, but I would still invest in him as Raul seems to have been weakened by all the tattoo ink over the years and Stevie will miss at least 10 games a season from now on.
I could go into more depth on this but doing this on an IPhone is melting my brain

[ROCCO]

.................. ............Reina............................

...............Kelly..........Cahill ............ Agger.......

Johnson......Gerrard.......Mvila......Raul........ .....A Young.......

......................Suarez..................Carr oll............







or
.......... ............Reina............................

Kelly..........Cahill ............ Agger.......Glen

..................Mvila......

...........Gerrard.............Raul............... ....

....Suarez........Carroll..........A Young.......




Hope we go with a combination of 4-3-3 and 5-3-2 next season .... with 4-2-3-1 in the locker for more defensive games...

Id like young for a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 set up but not in a the above set up ...

Id bring in another full back so between Glen Kelly and New full back we have quality cover

Id keep Kuyt and Cara but as squad players good enough imo when both players are fresh both seem imo to drop their performance when after playing a few games to many in a row .

Ive aways championed Lucas but always felt he is a good addition to the squad and one day might be irreplaceable in the side but for know imo he is not ready to drive a premier league team with ambitions of winning the league forward.

Theres plenty that need to be moved on but it think this will take the next 2-3 seasons .
Poulsen {Big wages }
Aquilani ? {Big wages }
Insua ?
Spearing
Degen
El Zhar
Darby
Skrtel? {Big wages }
Maxi ? {Big wages }
Ngog ? {keep as 4th choice ? }
Jovanovic {Big wages }
Eccleston ?{ keep as 4th choice .. would if we move Ngog on for £4-6m}
Cole? {Big wages+ }


Can see both kuyt{Big wages } and Cara{Big wages }been here for the next 2-3 seasons ......


Squad need serious over haul over the next 3 seasons taken into account how for is Agger Gerrard going to be over a full season and will Raul be able to play a full season playing the majority of the games and playing a full 90 Min's ?

Theres a lot for Damien and Kenny think about and sort out.

[Derekc]

my two cents is anyone is mad in the head if they think we can play two in the middle and them two are raul and gerard.

To play two in there you need quality all rounders. A, we don't have any and B there are very few available.

Stick with 3 for me. Id still like to see Adam, think he'd do well, maybe not starting every week but great to have in the squad and Mvila does seem like decent player so throw him in too.

[Fantana]

or
.......... ............Reina............................

Kelly..........Cahill ............ Agger.......Glen

..................Mvila......

...........Gerrard.............Raul............... ....

....Suarez........Carroll..........A Young.......




Hope we go with a combination of 4-3-3 and 5-3-2 next season .... with 4-2-3-1 in the locker for more defensive games...
.

Yup i'd agree with the fact that this has far more balance to it, I was just trying to get the personnel right as the Iphone is not good for formations!!

Only problem with this formation is your asking Suarez to do a lot of work on the right side from midfield up and thats going to take him further and further away from where we need him. Young is more than capable of doing that job on the other side.

If we then have the following in reserve I think we'd be more than capable of a Top4 and a pot or 2 next season

Adam
Carra
Kuyt
Lucas
Coady
Cole (I would keep him, give him a full preseason and see what happens)
Suso
Wilson
Shelvey
Ngog (may prefer to see him get loaned out, to a prem club though)

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[D-Red]

I'd be doing whatever is needed to bring in Scott Parker.

[Fantana]

my two cents is anyone is mad in the head if they think we can play two in the middle and them two are raul and gerard.

To play two in there you need quality all rounders. A, we don't have any and B there are very few available.

Stick with 3 for me. Id still like to see Adam, think he'd do well, maybe not starting every week but great to have in the squad and Mvila does seem like decent player so throw him in too.

How dare you question my sanity!!! Why, only this morning my cat told me that we could more than flourish with Raul & Gerrard in midfield if we have the correct type of defensive midfielder with them.......and my goldfish agreed, and they rarely agree on anything. So there!!!

[7Cannibal-9Asbo]

I'd be doing whatever is needed to bring in Scott Parker.

Think he's too old for NESV, they won't be willing to shell out for a 30 year old because it represents no value.

[Derekc]

How dare you question my sanity!!! Why, only this morning my cat told me that we could more than flourish with Raul & Gerrard in midfield if we have the correct type of defensive midfielder with them.......and my goldfish agreed, and they rarely agree on anything. So there!!!

crazy old man fantana again! what next, throw your cats at me!

off topic but anchorman on saturday, you smell like big foots dick, what a line, what a film.

[ROCCO]

I'd be doing whatever is needed to bring in Scott Parker.

Had a good game yesterday but a lot down to our performance {still a good player , best season this season imo }at 31 this October and around £10-12m i think NESV will keep clear.

[Fantana]

crazy old man fantana again! what next, throw your cats at me!

off topic but anchorman on saturday, you smell like big foots dick, what a line, what a film.

Why don't you go back to your home on whore island?

[elvis]

Why don't you go back to your home on whore island?

I cant, I'm stuck in a glass case of emotion.

[Fantana]

crazy old man fantana again! what next, throw your cats at me!

off topic but anchorman on saturday, you smell like big foots dick, what a line, what a film.

I cant, I'm stuck in a glass case of emotion.

The human torch was denied a bank loan! Ah shtop lads your making me want to buy a crate of Corona and go home and watch it

[Derekc]

milk was a bad idea...

[Fantana]

I'd be doing whatever is needed to bring in Scott Parker.

will you be employing WMD's?

[D-Red]

will you be employing WMD's?

haha, maybe. Cant nuke London though, coz Paddy lives there now

[Fantana]

haha, maybe. Cant nuke London though, coz Paddy lives there now

Ah just the East End then. Make a great story round Albert Square

[Fowler-9-]

Think he's too old for NESV, they won't be willing to shell out for a 30 year old because it represents no value.

he is worth a fortune to west ham, they will not let him leave for less than 14million and fair enough he is there collosos that may very well keep them up. But for any other club he is not representing value for money.

Now if only we took him from Charlton or Chelsea I belive we'd have a midfield pairing unrivalled.

[bobby benitez]

I'd be doing whatever is needed to bring in Scott Parker.

If we signed every player we've made look world class this season we would have a front 6 of:

Jermaine Pennant Scott Parker Charlie Adam Hoillett
Ricardo Fuller Benjani

Hitzleberger might even get a game and he's been injured for 7 months.

Personally i think someone like Momo is required, even if its short term. At the moment Arsenal would fancy roughing us up and thats saying something.

[ISTANBUL VET]

Don't know how true it is but anyway...
KENNY DALGLISH has been offered a two-year deal and substantial transfer funds to become Liverpool’s permanent manager.

The 60-year-old Kop legend, who has transformed the club’s fortunes since replacing the sacked Roy Hodgson in January, had asked American owners John W Henry and Tom Werner for a four-year deal.

Henry and Werner were reluctant to look beyond two years but have promised a review if progress continues to be made under Dalglish.

Sunday Express Sport can reveal that Steve Clarke, who was brought in as a coach to work alongside Dalglish by Damien Comolli, Liverpool’s director of football strategy, is on a three-and-a-half-year contract.

It is understood that Dalglish wants a lucrative financial package to compensate for a lack of long-term security. Those negotiations are still going on.

Anfield commercial director Ian Ayre has been the conduit between the owners and Dalglish, travelling to the USA last week.
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Kenny Dalglish has been offered a two-year contract at Liverpool
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Dalglish has told the Liverpool board he must have a hefty transfer kitty available this summer to strengthen his inherited squad. Henry and Werner displayed their commitment to the club in the January transfer window, splashing the £50 million they received from Chelsea for Fernando Torres on Ajax’s Luis Suarez and Newcastle’s Andy Carroll.

They have told Dalglish they will repeat their transfer largesse in the summer – Comolli is already working on a number of big-name targets.

The owners are delighted with the progress under Dalglish, culminating in last Sunday’s 3-1 victory over Manchester United.

While Dalglish hoped to be rewarded with a four-year contract, he is ready to say yes to a two-year deal, providing the figures add up – both personally and in the transfer market.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/234251/Liverpool-give-Kenny-Dalglish-new-two-year-deal/Liverpool-give-Kenny-Dalglish-two-year-deal#ixzz1GTJjgwI0

[ROCCO]

Fullback {that can play both left and right would be ideal but left been his main spot}
Centre back
Right Wing
Left Wing
Defensive mid
Attacking mid
Striker



Even if over the next 2-3 transfer windows.

Just looking back on page 1 ..



1.Striker £18m.............Luis Suarez..DONE
2.Left winger £12m.......N'zogbia
3.Left back £3m.........???Taiwo????{Contracts up in the summer}
4.Holding midfielder £15m.....Yann M'Vila /Lassana Diarra
5.Right Winger £15m.....Ardan TURAN
6.Centre half £17m......Gary Cahill

£80m , but id expect at least £50m to come in from player sales.

[elvis]

Fullback {that can play both left and right would be ideal but left been his main spot}
Centre back
Right Wing
Left Wing
Defensive mid
Attacking mid
Striker



Even if over the next 2-3 transfer windows.

Just looking back on page 1 ..

Aguero and Forlan are rumoured to be allowed leave for a combined total of 40mil

Imagine

--------Gerrard Meireles-----------------
Aguero -------------------------- Suarez
----------------Forlan-------------------
---------------Carrol-------------------

[ROCCO]

Aguero and Forlan are rumoured to be allowed leave for a combined total of 40mil

Imagine

--------Gerrard Meireles-----------------
Aguero -------------------------- Suarez
----------------Forlan-------------------
---------------Carrol-------------------

Rate Forlan highly but not sure with Carroll ?

Aguero behind Carroll and Alexis Sánchez {or cheaper Turan} and Suarez switching positions ..

[south]

Had a good game yesterday but a lot down to our performance {still a good player , best season this season imo }at 31 this October and around £10-12m i think NESV will keep clear.

Aguero and Forlan are rumoured to be allowed leave for a combined total of 40mil

Imagine

--------Gerrard Meireles-----------------
Aguero -------------------------- Suarez
----------------Forlan-------------------
---------------Carrol-------------------

Agueros buy out clause is about that alone. €45 mill I think

[Paddser]

haha, maybe. Cant nuke London though, coz Paddy lives there now

Paddser likes this

[GaryMc]

With Seven games to go, I have revised my list of those for exit door. Its a long list (15) and I had forgotten some of them on loan were still at the club.

Defenders: Degen, Darby, Agger, Soto, Konchesky, Aurelio, Insua

Midfielders: Maxi, Poulsen, Spearing, Jovanovic, Aquilani

Forwards: EL Zhar, Cole, Ngog

Some because of injuries, but mainly because they are not good enough

For those coming in, this a shopping list of realistic targets within England we should be after. Bearing in mind there is likely to be no European Football and we need to almost build a whole new squad.

Gary Cahill, Ryan Shawcross, Brette Hangeland, Phil Jones, Zhirkov, Roger Johnson, Matt Jarvis, Charlie Adam, Mark Albrighton, Ashley Young, Client Dempsey, Jordan Henderson, Jamie O'Hara, Nico Kranjcar, Mark Noble, Matt Etherington, Scott Parker, Charles N'Zogbia, Kevin Doyle, Gabby Abongalor, Daniel Sturridge, Peter Odenwingie

Some of the above would not go into the first team, however I think they could be decent squad players with Premiership experience. Something similar to Yossi Benayoun when he was at the club.

I am not going to start throwing out names of players around Europe, because I aint got a clue whether the likes of Hazard etc. are actually any good.

[Raven136]

Baines/Clichy

Gary Cahill/An other fit centre back

Ashley Young

Charlie Adam

Matt Jarvis

Guardian today has us linked wth Mata...be nice

[RedArmagh]

Would like to see come in (realise might not be done in all 1 window)

Baines/Clichy
Cahill/R Johnson/Hangeland/Dann/Shawcross (any2)
Charlie Adam
Parker
A Young
Jarvis/Turan/Hazard

Strikers wise i dont think we are too bad off now with carroll and suarez are first choice 2, kuyt 3rd choice, pacheco and ngog as our 4th choice striker

[djdwainec]

Ryan Shawcross
Charlie Adam
Mark Albrighton
Ashley Young
Clichy
Agbonglahor

would be happy enough in the summer with these

[PaddyW]

Would like to see come in (realise might not be done in all 1 window)

Baines/Clichy
Cahill/R Johnson/Hangeland/Dann/Shawcross (any2)
Charlie Adam
Parker
A Young
Jarvis/Turan/Hazard

Strikers wise i dont think we are too bad off now with carroll and aguero are first choice 2, kuyt 3rd choice, pacheco and ngog as our 4th choice striker

Did we get Aguero on the quiet?! :p

[Redpip]

Ryan ShawcrossCharlie Adam
Mark AlbrightonAshley Young
ClichyAgbonglahorwould be happy enough in the summer with theseIf that's your lot, good luck with them!

Seriously, I would be expecting better talent than them. Top players will play for us but only if they see that we are showing ambition by showing intent in the transfer market.
It will be double edged tactics in the transfer market this summer that will get the top players to choose us over the likes of City, Spurs, Arse, Utd etc.
Kenny & Commoli will have done their homework & use their charm along with selling the aura of LFC to potential targets.

[djdwainec]

If that's your lot, good luck with them!

Seriously, I would be expecting better talent than them. Top players will play for us but only if they see that we are showing ambition by showing intent in the transfer market.
It will be double edged tactics in the transfer market this summer that will get the top players to choose us over the likes of City, Spurs, Arse, Utd etc.
Kenny & Commoli will have done their homework & use their charm along with selling the aura of LFC to potential targets.

I think clichy is a good left back! shawcross would be a good backup player to have as would adams. Agbonglahor , carroll and suarez would be a good trio to have at your disposal too!

I would also like to see us make a bid for Aaron Lennon but cant see it happening

[Roll on 19]

Did we get Aguero on the quiet?! :p

God how scrumptious would it be to have Big Andy leading the line with Suarez and Aguero feeding off him
.
*cue pause for fantasy moment...

Couple of centre halves has GOT to be high on the to-do-list for Kenny. Carra isnt getting any younger, Skrtel's form the past two seasons has dropped off the chart, Soto no matter how much I like him cant keep up with Kevin Davies, and regardless of how Hansen-like he is, Danny Agger needs moving on. He cant stay fit for diamonds. Good players arent worth a toss if you cant get them on the pitch. I think we're a few years away from Kelly and Wilson being our starting centre halves (but I do think they will be eventually) so two established centre halves are a must - I've not got names, theres plenty been mentioned in this thread already - take your pick.
Preferably two already based in england, so no bedding into the league.

Charlie Adam - yes please

I see a few sites talking about Turan's agent today, seems he wants to move on at the end of the season, so regardless of settling in periods, I'd have him over Young any day. Cant get by the feeling that Young is overhyped and liable to disappear from games if he gets a bit of argy bargy.

Left back - *dramatic sigh* anyone that can defend a bit and IS actually a left back would be marvelous. Still like the look of Taiwo. Not the greatest left back Ive ever seen, but at least he CAN defend, and is liable to bomb forward at a moments notice. Also he's free in the summer.

Umm thats six (counting Aguero - sue me I'm sticking to the fantasy), so a right back? I still think Glen is a better right midfielder than right back, and I know Martin Kelly has been great at RB, but I would like to see him used in rotation at CB as thats where his future is. Since I'm already in fantasy land, wonder if Philip Lahm could be presuaded to move from Bayern sice hes only got a year left on his contract?

Think I'll shut up now :p

[Fantana]

Ryan Shawcross
Charlie Adam
Mark Albrighton
Ashley Young
Clichy
Agbonglahor

would be happy enough in the summer with these

Sure Villa will give us 3 of their best players, no bother. Keep Albrighton and Agbonlahor. Raise your sights lad.
Clichy is very poor defensively

[Ron1892]

Dont be suprised to see Lennon leaving Spurs in the summer.I dont think his comments today helped him, which means id love to see him on the left for us, delievering balls in.Id sure maybe a deal involing Joe cole might be talked about.

[irishman123]

What about zhirkov. Hear he's not to happy at chelsea

[Fantana]

Dont be suprised to see Lennon leaving Spurs in the summer.I dont think his comments today helped him, which means id love to see him on the left for us, delievering balls in.Id sure maybe a deal involing Joe cole might be talked about.

It's a situation I'd keep tabs on but wouldn't hold my breath. Spurs likely absence from Champs Lge next year may leave them open to defections. I think last season and this may have been their highpoints for the time being

[Ron1892]

It's a situation I'd keep tabs on but wouldn't hold my breath. Spurs likely absence from Champs Lge next year may leave them open to detections. I think last season and this may have been their highpoints for the time being

Yeah i wouldnt hold my breath, but stranger things have happened.My only problem with lennon is, his final delievery.I think at times it can be very suspect, but if that was to improve he would be class.His pace, would be a huge assest.

I agree with you on spurs and there seems to be alot of unhappness in the camp, with Defoe, Pav,Van Der Vaart and Lennon now unhappy so you wouldnt know what could happen there.

[up the pool]

Ryan Shawcross
Charlie Adam
Mark Albrighton
Ashley Young
Clichy
Agbonglahor

would be happy enough in the summer with these

championship here we come:D

[jonnylpfc]

Skysports.com understands Liverpool have agreed a pre-contract to sign Rennes midfielder Sylvain Marveaux.

Marveaux, who is out of contract at Rennes at the end of the season, has been a long-term target for the Reds.

Rennes are resigned to losing the 24-year-old when his contract expires and Liverpool are thought to have agreed a deal to bring Marveaux to Anfield.

The Premier League outfit are thought to have beaten off interest from a number of clubs to land the highly-rated winger.

Reds boss Kenny Dalglish is keen to bolster his options in wide areas and he sees Marveaux as someone who will help provide ammunition for new strikeforce Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez.

Liverpool director of football Damien Comolli has been pushing for a deal for Marveaux and he is expected to be the first of many arrivals at Liverpool this summer.

Anyone ever hear of dis chap

[Derekc]

who i want

baines
cahill
adam
young
hazard

who i think we'll get

enrique
dann
adam
young
jarvis

[Fantana]

who i want

baines
cahill
adam
young
hazard

who i think we'll get

enrique
dann
adam
young
jarvis


You've been pushing Dann for a while now buddy, TBH I think him and Cahill are much of a muchness, but I haven't seen him linked with us anywhere.

Only other toss up is between Jarvis and Hazard. Have been very impressed by Jarvis this season and haven't seen enough of Hazard to compare. Jarvis premiership experience would swing it for me and make him more likely to hit the ground running.
A good start is paramount next season so we can't spend too much time waiting for players to adjust to the pace of the league. It's a 5 way fight fir champs lge qualification next year, I really think Spurs will struggle next season and may lose a few of their leading lights cos of the lack of champions lge football. With no Europa Lge to distract us we will be in a great position to get back top 4

[Malzheimer]

Championship manager style.

Neuer to replace Pepe
Baines
Cahill + Hangaaland
Adam
Las Diarra
Ash Young+Lennon
Aguero

Take Aquilani back too give us some depth too.

[Sarge]

Cahill, Baines/Enrique, Adam, Young, Hazard + 2 nice surprises.

If Reina does go then i'd like Akinfee, Skeltenberg or Neuer. To add we will see quite a few going the other way.

[Sarge]

Clincy!!! No way he has a girls name!!

[Derekc]

You've been pushing Dann for a while now buddy, TBH I think him and Cahill are much of a muchness, but I haven't seen him linked with us anywhere.

Only other toss up is between Jarvis and Hazard. Have been very impressed by Jarvis this season and haven't seen enough of Hazard to compare. Jarvis premiership experience would swing it for me and make him more likely to hit the ground running.
A good start is paramount next season so we can't spend too much time waiting for players to adjust to the pace of the league. It's a 5 way fight fir champs lge qualification next year, I really think Spurs will struggle next season and may lose a few of their leading lights cos of the lack of champions lge football. With no Europa Lge to distract us we will be in a great position to get back top 4

i think cahill is bit classier than dann, bit beter on the ball and more of a goal threat. i like dann though, good defender. the main difference i think will be the price, you could get dann for between 7/10 mill, cahill more i think 12-16 mill.

In general terms i'm happy with the majority of players we're linked too, right type of players for me.

[LFC-RONEY]

would love to see nicolas gaitan of benfica in, hes top class, was bought as di maria's replacement.
Hes very fast, class crosser, class passer and got a very good shot on him too, mainly plays left wing (left footed) for benfica though has played on the right a good few times and the centre a few times too, being linked with a £17.5m move or cash plus maxi

heres a lovely goal he scored :)
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/03/25/benfica-playmaker-nicolas-gaitan-scores-wonder-goal-video/

[mickdel]

Just want players that will play...or better still want to play...and quality not just makeshift replacements!!!!

[F@ces]

Do people really think Baines will come back to us? And surely he's going to command a phenomenal transfer fee?

[Derekc]

Do people really think Baines will come back to us? And surely he's going to command a phenomenal transfer fee?

Don't see it happening at all frank.

[F@ces]

Don't see it happening at all frank.

Me neither. Would be a great signing.

Decided to check his assists out this season - he has 11 so far in the league, in number 1 spot. Second has 3 assists :eek:

(out of defenders)

[Derekc]

Me neither. Would be a great signing.

Decided to check his assists out this season - he has 11 so far in the league, in number 1 spot. Second has 3 assists :eek:

some stat for him, would be great to have him just for carroll alone.

[travis]

Everton are skint , player is a massive red, why not, Moyes needs funds or else he's off.

[Malzheimer]

Everton are skint , player is a massive red, why not, Moyes needs funds or else he's off.

Exactly. Test the waters, unsettle the player with a public 15m bid. I think Gollum could be off soon especially if top players are sold and he is not backed in the market.

[RedArmagh]

Did we get Aguero on the quiet?! :p

lol that was part of the post i meant to delete when i was going to say i would love to sign Aguero but i'm happy enough with our current strikeforce! typing in work!!

[glen]

reina
kelly cahill agger baines
jarvis raul stevie young
luis
caroll

subs lucas,kuyt,carra,glen,adam

[travis]

Another big name striker has to be bought , Carroll & Suarez is not enough

[midg23]

Id still like to see lavezzi and play a 433 with Luis on the left and Lavezzi on the right with Carroll in the middle

[ROCCO]

Another big name striker has to be bought , Carroll & Suarez is not enough

Agree but id take kuyt away from the right and use as striker.

[ROCCO]

Id still like to see lavezzi and play a 433 with Luis on the left and Lavezzi on the right with Carroll in the middle

That type of set up i think you need a more mobile centre forward than Carroll. ???

[midg23]

That type of set up i think you need a more mobile centre forward than Carroll. ???

But there is so many possibilities while playing with those 3. Although i'm
quite fond of Alexis Sanchez playing for Udinese also

[ROCCO]

But there is so many possibilities while playing with those 3. Although i'm
quite fond of Alexis Sanchez playing for Udinese also

Maybe .... think Carroll needs a support striker closer to him.

4-1-3-2 ?

[Sarge]

I agree about Kuyt, he is a CF nothing more nothing less. Since Kenny has taken over Dirk has played up top and yes, scored goals. He is a poacher and a bloody good one at that.

[Maverick]

But there is so many possibilities while playing with those 3. Although i'm
quite fond of Alexis Sanchez playing for Udinese also

I second that,he's a great player. Think we need a more able back up striker than ngog but I'm sure kuyt would fit the bill but would surely shed a few tears if he was dropped.I don't think 433 would suit us unless we buy in quality in other areas first.Leighton Baines would be a fantastic buy.

[ROCCO]

I agree about Kuyt, he is a CF nothing more nothing less. Since Kenny has taken over Dirk has played up top and yes, scored goals. He is a poacher and a bloody good one at that.

Never a winger imo ... the right set up as a striker he will do well imo.

Not sure what set up Kenny will use to get the best from Carroll ... id prefer to buy players to suit our set up than the other way round.
Just hope its not 4-4-2

[bono]

Would love to see us go after Pastore off Palermo.

[Sarge]

Try this, but forget about the actual formation and look at how the squad would look.

Igor Akinfeev

Martin Kelly Neven Subotic Daniel Agger Leighton Baines

Raul Meireles Lucas

Eden Hazard Steven Gerrard Luis Suarez

Andy Carroll

Subs: Brad Jones, Glen Johnson, Jamie Carragher, Martin Skrtel, Maxi Rodriguiz, Dirk Kuyt.

Thats only 4 new players and its a bloody good side. Now add 3 more players to this Squad and by Jaysus its quality, so say, Charlie Adam, Ashley Young and Lavezzi. You could have something like this with all 7 in the team,

Igor Akinfeev

Martin Kelly Neven Subotic Daniel Agger Leighton Baines

Charlie Adam

Eden Hazard Ashley Young

Steven Gerrard

Lavezzi Luis Suarez


Subs: Brad Jones, Glen Johnson, Jamie Carragher, Maxi Rodrigeuz, Raul Meireles, Dirk Kuyt, Andy Carroll.

:eek:

Squad: Daniel Ayala, Nathan Eccleston, Suso, David Amoo, Jay Spearing, Daniel Pacheco, Danny Wilson, John Joe Shelvey.

Sell: Pepe Reina, Phillippe Degan, Stephen Darby, Paul Konchesky, Stelios Kryiakos, Nabil El Zhar, Emaliano Insua, Fabio Aurelio, Martin Poulsen, Milan Jovanovic, Alberto Aqualani, Joe Cole, David Ngog.

Total cost of 100m minus 30m in sales = 70m or so.

So my Squad would look like,

Akinfeev, Jones, Johnson, Kelly, Subotic, Carragher, Skrtel, Agger, Ayala, Wilson, Baines, Hazard, Maxi, Young, Adam, Lucas, Meireles, Gerrard, Pacheco, Shelvey, Spearing, Suso, Suarez, Lavezzi, Kuyt, Carroll, Amoo, Eccleston.

28 Players.

Thoughts.

[Malzheimer]

I'd take Cavani ahead of Lavezzi from what I have seen this season. Haven't seen enough of the Moscow keeper, Hazard or Subotic to get the horn over them yet. Where do you get the chance to see these foreign lads that play in Russia and France?

Also no way we can plan a team with Dagger centre half. He can only play 20 games a season so has to be 3rd choice centre half imo.

I'd get rid of Maxi he is on a big wage and offers us fcuk all as well. Other than that looks promising imo :D

[ROCCO]

Both squads look impressive but having big doubts on Aggers fittness and cant see Carroll siting on the bench after paying £35m in your second side.
Spearing's been offered a new contract but i cant see him making it with us , but hope he proves me wrong.
Id let maxi move on as well.

From your sales id expect more than £30m ..

Sarge Sale: Pepe Reina 20m, Phillippe Degan, Stephen Darby 500k, Paul Konchesky 1.5m, Stelios Kryiakos 1m, Nabil El Zhar 500k, Emaliano Insua 3m, Fabio Aurelio, Martin Poulsen 2m, Milan Jovanovic 3m, Alberto Aqualani 10m+ , Joe Cole 3m, David Ngog 5m.

£49-50m ....

[Sarge]

Maxi would be good to have around the Squad, Carroll will play was just showing how strong the Squad would be with 7 signings and getting rid of the dross, bar Pepe that is......

[ROCCO]

Maxi would be good to have around the Squad, Carroll will play was just showing how strong the Squad would be with 7 signings and getting rid of the dross, bar Pepe that is......

ok , but also to much info in 1 go ;)

[The Pernicious One]

Both squads look impressive but having big doubts on Aggers fittness and cant see Carroll siting on the bench after paying £35m in your second side.
Spearing's been offered a new contract but i cant see him making it with us , but hope he proves me wrong.
Id let maxi move on as well.

From your sales id expect more than £30m ..

Sarge Sale: Pepe Reina 20m, Phillippe Degan, Stephen Darby 500k, Paul Konchesky 1.5m, Stelios Kryiakos 1m, Nabil El Zhar 500k, Emaliano Insua 3m, Fabio Aurelio, Martin Poulsen 2m, Milan Jovanovic 3m, Alberto Aqualani 10m+ , Joe Cole 3m, David Ngog 5m.

£49-50m ....

Is that Christian's brother?
Any good?

:D

[Sarge]

Sarge Sale: Pepe Reina 20m, Phillippe Degan, Stephen Darby 500k, Paul Konchesky 1.5m, Stelios Kryiakos 1m, Nabil El Zhar 500k, Emaliano Insua 3m, Fabio Aurelio, Martin Poulsen 2m, Milan Jovanovic 3m, Alberto Aqualani 10m+ , Joe Cole 3m, David Ngog 5m.

£49-50m ....

20 for Pepe, not sure more like 12/15. Aqualaini would be just a break even transfer, 3m for Jovanovic and Insua is a bit much but underpriced Cole i think. So 30-35m i think.

[this]

With it comes to Baines, as always money talks, a lot of Arsenal fans were shocked when Cole signed for Chelsea, and likewise when Tevez buggered off to City from United. 11 assists for a left back though, that is an insane stat, in truth I haven’t seen enough of him to give an opinion either way, but if he’s not made of soggy biscuits it’s a start. Could be talking about big money though by the sounds of things.

Someone give Sarge the cheque book by the way, I like it.

[Sarge]

Someone give Sarge the cheque book by the way, I like it.


:)

I'm the Oracle :D

That 7 is very possible tbh. Plus those i said should go cannot go at once but over the Summer and January transfers, in addition 7 is still not enough but from that squad i named its an excellent 15, a decent 8 and a very inexperienced 5 but still a very good squad.

[babbsnads]

Is insua not in the final year of his contract?

[this]

Is insua not in the final year of his contract?

It's a bloody weird one, can't seem to find any confirmation, but it 'appears' that his contract is up in the summer, kind of begs the question, why would you loan out someone on the last year of their contract?

Personally speaking I'd offer him a new contract, take him back as cover, get rid of Fabio & Konchesky and sign a first choice left back. Mind you, whether he would want to sign a new contract with us remains to be seen.

[Sarge]

Is insua not in the final year of his contract?

Yes.

[babbsnads]

It's a bloody weird one, can't seem to find any confirmation, but it 'appears' that his contract is up in the summer, kind of begs the question, why would you loan out someone on the last year of their contract?

Personally speaking I'd offer him a new contract, take him back as cover, get rid of Fabio & Konchesky and sign a first choice left back. Mind you, whether he would want to sign a new contract with us remains to be seen.

Im nearly certain i read a few times in the summer that this was his last year.

[redabbey]

It's a bloody weird one, can't seem to find any confirmation, but it 'appears' that his contract is up in the summer, kind of begs the question, why would you loan out someone on the last year of their contract?

Personally speaking I'd offer him a new contract, take him back as cover, get rid of Fabio & Konchesky and sign a first choice left back. Mind you, whether he would want to sign a new contract with us remains to be seen.

Insua is another example of LFC paying the price for Cecil acting as fantasy football manager last summer.

I cannot see him ever playing for Liverpool again.

[Sarge]

Good he is slower than my disabled dad and has an arse bigger than Beyonce.

[Sarge]

Anyhow back to the 7.

This,

As posted before these 7 can be got,

Akinfeev, Baines/Enrique, Subotic, Adam, Young, Hazard, Lavezzi.

But this on players leaving.

:)
That 7 is very possible tbh. Plus those i said should go cannot go at once but over the Summer and January transfers, in addition 7 is still not enough but from that squad i named its an excellent 15, a decent 8 and a very inexperienced 5 but still a very good squad.

If we get 7 players in this Summer it will then be a case of adding where needed over the next few windows and as stated before this will be the biggest transfer Summer/Window for the Club ever!!

[glen]

reports tonight hazard in talks with arsenal not reliable source though so hopefully we can get in there

[Derekc]

Anyhow back to the 7.

This,

As posted before these 7 can be got,

Akinfeev, Baines/Enrique, Subotic, Adam, Young, Hazard, Lavezzi.

But this on players leaving.



If we get 7 players in this Summer it will then be a case of adding where needed over the next few windows and as stated before this will be the biggest transfer Summer/Window for the Club ever!!

could be wrong but i don't think subotic would be a runner, more than likely championship with dortmund this year so champions league football for a start as opposed to nowt with us, plus chelsea meant to have had a bid of close to 20for him already turned down.

personally i'd prefer a defender with prem experience if that's the cash your talking about.

[Sarge]

Ok no Hazard or Subotic,

Akinfeev, Baines/Enrique, CB, Adam, ARM, Young, Lavezzi.

[Sarge]

Fábio Coentrão could be a runner.

[this]

Personally speaking I'd prefer to see either Cahill or Shawcross come in, and with Aggers injury problems, Carra getting into his golden years, and Skrtel being afraid of his own shadow, I think a second centre back might be needed.

Jesus this is getting expensive, glad it's not my money we're spending.

[ROCCO]

Is insua not in the final year of his contract?

Still think were due around £4m in compensation if another club takes him on even if his contract is run down ?

[ROCCO]

20 for Pepe, not sure more like 12/15. Aqualaini would be just a break even transfer, 3m for Jovanovic and Insua is a bit much but underpriced Cole i think. So 30-35m i think.

But still Alberto money £10-13m would go in the kitty.. im sure i read that we would be due £4m for Insua in compensation if another club take him on even after his contract runs out , and wolfsburg did offer £6m for Jova.

[babbsnads]

Still think were due around £4m in compensation if another club takes him on even if his contract is run down ?

Io think there's a rule for players 23 and under that if he was to sign for another British club we'd be entitled to compensation but not if he moves abroad. I can't see any other reason why we'd be entitled to compensation.

[ISTANBUL VET]

JUVENTUS have opened talks with Liverpool over a £10.5m move to sign midfielder Alberto Aquilani on a permanent deal.

The 26-year-old has spent this season on-loan in Turin, with a pre-agreed price of euros 16.5m (£14.4m) set between the two clubs back in August.

But with the Italian giants baulking at the original asking price, and doubts persisting over the Italy international’s general fitness, reports in Italy suggest that figure is set to be revised.

Juventus currently lie seventh in the Serie A table, eight points behind Udinese, who hold the league’s final Champions League qualification spot.

Aquilani joined Liverpool from Roma in the summer of 2009 for £17m, and was initially billed as a replacement for Real Madrid-bound play-maker Xabi Alonso.

But the start of his Anfield career was delayed by his recuperation from an ankle injury, and he subsequently struggled to settle into a faltering Liverpool side during an inconsistent debut season on Merseyside, making just 28 appearances in total, only nine of which were Premier League starts.

A series of niggling complaints even prompted his then-manager, Rafa Benitez, to raise questions as to the midfielder’s mental strength.

Aquilani himself has repeatedly stated that he would be prepared to remain at Juve beyond this season, and has attributed his recent recall to the Italian national team, for whom he now has 15 caps, to his return to Serie A.

“There is a price fixed for Juve to acquire me at the end of the season,” Aquilani said.

“The club has to evaluate the situation but I would like to stay.”

He added: “It is thanks to the Bianconeri club that I have returned to the national

Read More http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/04/08/juventus-look-to-sign-liverpool-fc-midfielder-alberto-aquilani-to-a-permanent-deal-92534-28480692/#ixzz1Iuvv0MRm

[elvis]

JUVENTUS have opened talks with Liverpool over a £10.5m move to sign midfielder Alberto Aquilani on a permanent deal.

The 26-year-old has spent this season on-loan in Turin, with a pre-agreed price of euros 16.5m (£14.4m) set between the two clubs back in August.

But with the Italian giants baulking at the original asking price, and doubts persisting over the Italy international’s general fitness, reports in Italy suggest that figure is set to be revised.

Juventus currently lie seventh in the Serie A table, eight points behind Udinese, who hold the league’s final Champions League qualification spot.

Aquilani joined Liverpool from Roma in the summer of 2009 for £17m, and was initially billed as a replacement for Real Madrid-bound play-maker Xabi Alonso.

But the start of his Anfield career was delayed by his recuperation from an ankle injury, and he subsequently struggled to settle into a faltering Liverpool side during an inconsistent debut season on Merseyside, making just 28 appearances in total, only nine of which were Premier League starts.

A series of niggling complaints even prompted his then-manager, Rafa Benitez, to raise questions as to the midfielder’s mental strength.

Aquilani himself has repeatedly stated that he would be prepared to remain at Juve beyond this season, and has attributed his recent recall to the Italian national team, for whom he now has 15 caps, to his return to Serie A.

“There is a price fixed for Juve to acquire me at the end of the season,” Aquilani said.

“The club has to evaluate the situation but I would like to stay.”

He added: “It is thanks to the Bianconeri club that I have returned to the national

Read More http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/04/08/juventus-look-to-sign-liverpool-fc-midfielder-alberto-aquilani-to-a-permanent-deal-92534-28480692/#ixzz1Iuvv0MRm

Hate the way teams try to pull stunts like this, the fee was AGREED, simple, pay it of F-off imo.
The team should pay the money upfront, and if at the end of the loan they dont want him, they get their money back,. It stops all this bullsh1t.

[ROCCO]

Io think there's a rule for players 23 and under that if he was to sign for another British club we'd be entitled to compensation but not if he moves abroad. I can't see any other reason why we'd be entitled to compensation.

Don't think it makes a difference if he moves abroad .... still due compensation as under 23-24.

[ROCCO]

JUVENTUS have opened talks with Liverpool over a £10.5m move to sign midfielder Alberto Aquilani on a permanent deal.

The 26-year-old has spent this season on-loan in Turin, with a pre-agreed price of euros 16.5m (£14.4m) set between the two clubs back in August.

But with the Italian giants baulking at the original asking price, and doubts persisting over the Italy international’s general fitness, reports in Italy suggest that figure is set to be revised.

Juventus currently lie seventh in the Serie A table, eight points behind Udinese, who hold the league’s final Champions League qualification spot.

Aquilani joined Liverpool from Roma in the summer of 2009 for £17m, and was initially billed as a replacement for Real Madrid-bound play-maker Xabi Alonso.

But the start of his Anfield career was delayed by his recuperation from an ankle injury, and he subsequently struggled to settle into a faltering Liverpool side during an inconsistent debut season on Merseyside, making just 28 appearances in total, only nine of which were Premier League starts.

A series of niggling complaints even prompted his then-manager, Rafa Benitez, to raise questions as to the midfielder’s mental strength.

Aquilani himself has repeatedly stated that he would be prepared to remain at Juve beyond this season, and has attributed his recent recall to the Italian national team, for whom he now has 15 caps, to his return to Serie A.

“There is a price fixed for Juve to acquire me at the end of the season,” Aquilani said.

“The club has to evaluate the situation but I would like to stay.”

He added: “It is thanks to the Bianconeri club that I have returned to the national

Read More http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/04/08/juventus-look-to-sign-liverpool-fc-midfielder-alberto-aquilani-to-a-permanent-deal-92534-28480692/#ixzz1Iuvv0MRm

£14.4m , pay the fee or shut up juve.

Imo if we take a lower fee we will get done like this again and again in the future...

[ISTANBUL VET]

Hate the way teams try to pull stunts like this, the fee was AGREED, simple, pay it of F-off imo.
The team should pay the money upfront, and if at the end of the loan they dont want him, they get their money back,. It stops all this bullsh1t.

Let me say initially that if it had been possible I would have kept the player in the squad this season,though I know there is divided opinion on the subject.Having said that I don't think he will be back so Juve have us by the balls to a certain extent.
The transfer will go down as a monumental cock-up,and there are a number of conspiracy theories for the exact reason which have been debated to death.

[The Pernicious One]

Fábio Coentrão could be a runner.

Good player him!

[Sarge]

Good player him!

Very but our summer transfer hopes could be hurt by no European football, but in saying that if a player comes to us from a CL Team then i'd take him in a heartbeart as this means he wants to come to us.

Still i'll say my 7 today would be,

Fábio Coentrão, Luis Enrique, Per Mertazacker, Ashley Young, Charlie Adam, Suzukie Honda & CF/CAM.

[Raven136]

Very but our summer transfer hopes could be hurt by no European football, but in saying that if a player comes to us from a CL Team then i'd take him in a heartbeart as this means he wants to come to us.

Still i'll say my 7 today would be,

Fábio Coentrão, Luis Enrique, Per Mertazacker, Ashley Young, Charlie Adam, Suzukie Honda & CF/CAM.

That would be a really good summer.With Lucas playing so well and Jay and Stevie in there will Adam be a signing?

Young and Jarvis would be my wingers.

Defenders are hard to know.I like Cahill but not at 20m or anything near it.
And i dont know enough about european defenders to give a real opinion.