Just because I'm in the humour for resurrecting this with some of my old debating buddies in the health service......... Apart from it being an utter nonsense to have such a vote in the Dail, I'm delighted that MH has been endorsed by her colleagues, that stalwart of paleolithic man, Ned, aside. There are many comparisons to be drawn between opposition demands for health service improvement and football managers being chucked because they can't undo the damage of years or desire for a quick fix. I am increasingly convinced that we will look back on Mary H's time as Minister and accept that it was the making of our health service. Come out, come out wherever you are............
where do we go from here? at the moment everything feels at a lost and theres no way forward ..where do we go from here??? i'm not with any party but someone has to step forward and make a change..some change for the better..i hope
Sure, Iraq is in a better condition than our health service. In a normal democracy, Harney wouldn't have survived a heave last night, she would have resigned 6 months ago. But in this country, your job is more important than patients illnesses.
The problem with this country is that the Goverment is fairly useless, they make promises and then don't fulfil them. However whats the alternative. Enda Kenny looks and speak like comedy character, labour are just plain boring and if Sinn Fein got near goverment, higher taxes..
Id have to agree with your summation. Fact is FF have no rival, they are simply the best of a bad bunch. With FF you know what you're getting and if they come through with 25% of what they promise, you're doing ok where as the others no one knows what youd get. I remember FG wanting to bring in fixed €1 fares for CIE busses thinking that would swing people, with if petrol goes up, income goes down who pays the bus drivers? Strike! Then they wanted another 20 or so routes but no new drivers! = Strike! Pretty much everything they promised they had no way of funding and once they got in would just blame FF as to why it couldnt be done. Anyone seen Sicko Michael Moores new documentary on the US health system, like most things he only tells half the story but the half he tells makes out health system look like its a supreme deluxe health system
So you're saying that the bus drivers won't strike under an FF government, yes?? So what was that strike over Harristown about last week then?? CIE would strike, no matter who is in charge. FF have no rival, because nobody has the guts to change a government that fails in almost every area, from transport, to crime, to policing, to housing, to health, yet people still vote them in. We won't even begin to go into the tribunal cock-ups, the e-voting cock-ups, the M50 madness, etc, etc. We have elections every 5 years. If this country is a proper democracy, the elections are not there to simply ratify FF for another term, because "you know what you're getting". Every election is a referendum on those in power, if they don't perform, kick em out.
Thats not what he said, so your point is change for the sake of change, remove Forrest Gump and replace him with Dougal Maguire ?
Without the motivation of the electorate changing government, FF can continue to do what suits them, knowing that we as a nation, will accept low standards from our representatives.
This wasn't really what the thread was started for but as we're at it...... Mypost - I can't decide whether you meant to be gratuitously insulting to the voting public or if you're just after an argument for the crack. Either way, it may not have occurred to you but perhaps the reason FF, (in continuous coalition btw), are returned is because those who vote are satisified with their performance in Government. As a further aside, watching Dail Debates last week, well impressed with Eamon Ryan as a speaker, best I've seen for quite some time.
She should have walked like in any other walk of life mis-management of whatever you are head you face the axe. She got away with it.
Can't agree with that, running a country or part of it is not the same as operating in the private sector. If a Minister was compelled to walk every time there was a mess in their department we would end up having elections every other week. By the management criteria I can think of at least four occasions that Noel Dempsey should have resigned.
Bertie and Brian/Laurel and Hardy Don't start me on politics in the South.From grassroots level up to the top the corruption is mindboggling to say the least.There is not a more corrupt country in the West. The corruption is that extensive that the public now have had enough and don't want to hear anymore.They want the tribunals stopped. Bertie and his cohorts have spent every penny they got in the good years and now the country has nothing left to spend.The deficit estimate has been raised again by another billion today.The govt got 1 punt from Brussels in return for every 28p contributed in 1995 for a 10 year period as I reland was classed as a third world country in the union. My point is that Bertie and his crew made everything seem rosy for the short term as they knew they wouldn't be about in the long term.When the s*** hits the fan they will be long gone and the next govt will get the blame. They were like a child with it's pocket money in a sweet shop.They were not content until they had it all spent instead of saving it for the bad times or paying off some of the national debt. "WE HANG THE PETTY THIEVES AND APPOINT THE GREAT ONES TO PUBLIC OFFICE" Aesop,6th Century B.C. NOTHING MUCH HAS CHANGED. Ps Over a billion spent on tribunals,consultants,reports etc.If there is a problem in Health,they commission an expensive report that is rarely if ever acted upon. €400,000 raised last year by public for CT scanner in Carlow-still in its box because nobody paid to install it and another 2 in Sligo and the Midlands lying over 2 years idle because there is nobody to operate them. I could go on but you would fed up and I would get more annoyed.Don't get me wrong I think they are all the same in every party.Rats in a sewer,all indistinguishable.
i'm completely out of my Depth when it comes to Political Discussion so don't bother normally,just View from afar but even i can see that's a staggering Statistic!
i cant see how people can be happy with the government.aside from the actual topic that started this thread everything is just gone to dear in this country and you lack competiveness.my other halfs father went to newry last sunday and got me 27 cans of beer for 15euro.the same cans are nearly two euro each down here.im two years in my house this december and all the interst rate does is climb.i work in a place in ballymun and some of the lads drive from carlow kells and cavan for a six o clock start.the dublin sligo train makes the trains in india look like the eurostar. i could go on but i think you know what im getting at.this country is gone to the dogs and at this stage a cahnge is as good as a rest in terms of government.whats keeping them in is the likes of my father late 60's and in his eyes fianna fail can do no wrong.i think were stuck with them till,god forgive me for typing this,that generation passes
‘Lead by example’ Vs ‘Do as I say not as I do’ Personally, I would like our Minister for Health to be perceived as healthy. We are experiencing a rapid rise in childhood obesity that will eventually cost the state a fortune. When I look at the news and see that our Minister for Health is clearly clinically obese it does not fill me with confidence. Separate to the above, alcohol consumption is at an all time high (and based on that fact I’d imagine drug consumption is too). I’m not blaming the current minister for these issues but they’re not exactly endorsing factors for me. The ’making of our health service’ ? Sounds dubious to me.
FG's main gripe is with Bertie's finances. Tbh, as shown at the election, the public don't care. There are many issues that FG could chase the government over. Take this weekend for example, when a minor car collision shut down the whole M50 at rush hour. What other Western country would this happen in??
Was'nt that carcrash a five-car pile-up ??I heard a motorbike collided with a car which meant every tail-gating car behind it all crashed into each other ?? Maybe this one your talking about is a different one but i'd think a five car pile up would result in a road closing.
Off topic (MH & Health) but anyway... Transport in Ireland is way behind the rest of Europe but the road networks are improving slowly. With all the income/revenue over recent years I'd like to have seen more of an improvement. The LUAS is great but that project was over budget and behind schedule like all the others.
Well we know who's at fault for that, don't we? The Luas is an example of what's good and bad about Dublin. It shows what can be achieved when you put fast, good, safe, reliable public transport systems in place. But it also shows how crazy the decision taken to separate them was.