Israeli Massacre

[bobby benitez]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/may/31/israel-troops-gaza-ships?CMP=AFCYAH

Somebody really needs to give Israel a good clatter. They think they can just do what they want, when they want.

[GaryMc]

Reading various reports, the Israelis are saying they were attacked first. They claim that the ship contained weapons etc and when they attempted to board it they were attacked and then retaliated.

[bobby benitez]

They also claim that Gaza is not in need of aid and that they had nothing to do with the assasination in Dubai.

[south]

if they had weapons on board then why didn't they use them to attack the soldiers boarding the boat from helicopters instead of waiting for them to get on board and attack them with iron bars? were the boats not in international waters at the time ?

[Kop On]

My gut feeling would be that after the soldiers killed the aid workers they dropped a handgun or two on board the boat to cover their asses. We've seen it done plenty of times on our own island during the troubles.

[ecowarrior10]

Some of the Aid Workers were Irish.
The irish Goverment should kick the Israeli ambassador out

[GaryMc]

They also claim that Gaza is not in need of aid and that they had nothing to do with the assasination in Dubai.

They are a law onto themselves.

Obama has a meeting with their Prime Minster tomorrow. I would say that will be an interesting conversation. A lot of goverments coming out condemning the attacks.

[vincenzo]

They are a law onto themselves.

Obama has a meeting with their Prime Minster tomorrow. I would say that will be an interesting conversation. A lot of goverments coming out condemning the attacks.

It won't make a blind bit of differance what Obama says tomorrow, the Israeli's just do not have any regard for the lives of Palestinian's or anybody that supports them. The pro - Israeli lobby in probably the most powerful group in America and Obama is not going to do anything to piss them off. Its always been this way and always will.

[south]

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[General]

Lying murdering *******s!! We should all support the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador. http://contact.ie/petition/2010/5/0065/call-expulsion-israeli-ambassador-ireland

[bobby benitez]

It won't make a blind bit of differance what Obama says tomorrow, the Israeli's just do not have any regard for the lives of Palestinian's or anybody that supports them. The pro - Israeli lobby in probably the most powerful group in America and Obama is not going to do anything to piss them off. Its always been this way and always will.

Its always been that way with the big oil companies too and to be fair to Obama he seems to be taking a hard line with BP,we will see soon if he is just another spoofer or whether he has a large set of nads.

EDIT: Bit of respect for John Gormley today, he didnt mince his words. None of the usual " we'll see how the investigation plays out before we comment" shit that we always get from Irish leaders.

[south]

They are a law onto themselves.

Obama has a meeting with their Prime Minster tomorrow. I would say that will be an interesting conversation. A lot of goverments coming out condemning the attacks.

Thats called off now as he's returned to Israel

[irishman123]

they just do what they like dont care what anyone says as long as the yanks back them it will always be that way
is it true if you stood an israeli and a yank soldier beside each other they would both be dressed the same?

[Captain_Morgan]

dobbo just gave the israeli ambassador a grilling on the news

[irishman123]

dobbo just gave the israeli ambassador a grilling on the news

good for him

[up the pool]

whats yossi gone an done now:D

[south]

http://palsolidarity.org/2010/05/12604/


31 May 2010: An American solidarity activist was shot in the face with a tear gas canister during a demonstration in Qalandiya, today. Emily Henochowicz is currently in Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem undergoing surgery to remove her left eye, following the demonstration that was held in protest to Israel’s murder of at least 10 civilians aboard the Gaza Freedom Flotilla in international waters this morning.

21-year old Emily Henochowicz was hit in the face with a tear gas projectile fired directly at her by an Israeli soldier during the demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint today. Israeli occupation forces fired volleys of tear gas at unarmed Palestinian and international protesters, causing mass panic amongst the demonstrators and those queuing at the largest checkpoint separating the West Bank and Israel.

“They clearly saw us,” said Sören Johanssen, a Swedish ISM volunteer standing with Henochowicz. “They clearly saw that we were internationals and it really looked as though they were trying to hit us. They fired many canisters at us in rapid succession. One landed on either side of Emily, then the third one hit her in the face.”

Henochowicz is an art student at the prestigious Cooper Union, located in East Village, Manhattan.

The demonstration was one of many that took place across the West Bank today in outrage over the Israeli military’s attack on the Gaza freedom flotilla and blatant violation of international law. Demonstrations also took place in inside Israel, Gaza and Jerusalem, with clashes occuring in East Jerusalem and Palestinian shopkeepers in the occupied Old City closing their businesses for the day in protest.

Henochowicz lost her left eye after being shot directly in the face with a tear gas canister

Henochowicz lost her left eye after being shot directly in the face with a tear gas canister
Tear gas canisters are commonly used against demonstrators in the occupied West Bank. In May 2009, the Israeli State Attorney’s Office ordered Israeli Police to review its guidelines for dispersing demonstrators, following the death of a demonstrator, Bassem Abu Rahmah from Bil’in village, caused by a high velocity tear-gas projectile. Tear-gas canisters are meant to be used as a means of crowd dispersal, to be shot indirectly at demonstrators and from a distance. However, Israeli forces frequently shoot canisters directly at protesters and are not bound by a particular distance from which they can shoot.

Israeli occupation forces boarded the Mavi Marmara, one of six ships on the Freedom Flotilla at 5 a.m. this morning, opening fire on the hundreds of unarmed civilians aboard. No-one aboard the ships were carrying weapons of any kind, including for defense against a feared Israeli attack in international waters. At least 10 aid workers aboard the ship have been confirmed dead, with dozens more injured. The assault took place 70 miles off the Gaza coast in international waters, after the flotilla was surrounded by three Israeli warships. The Freedom Flotilla, carrying 700 human rights activists from over 40 countries and 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid, was headed for the besieged and impoverished Gaza Strip. The Israeli blockade on Gaza, combined with the illegal buffer zone, has put a stranglehold on the territory. 42% of Gazans are unemployed, and food insecurity hovers around 60% according to figures from the Palestine Centre for Human Rights.

[ecowarrior10]

the ambassador should be kicked out of this country and the UN should interven in gaza whats happening to the people is disgusting


and rofl @ the yossi remark

[babbsnads]

It won't make a blind bit of differance what Obama says tomorrow, the Israeli's just do not have any regard for the lives of Palestinian's or anybody that supports them. The pro - Israeli lobby in probably the most powerful group in America and Obama is not going to do anything to piss them off. Its always been this way and always will.

And anyone that condemns any attrocity committed by Israel is accused of anti-semitism.

[sultana]

We've seen it done plenty of times on our own island during the troubles.

I think that a lot of Irish people draw an ignorant comparison between the two situations and thats where a lot of the anti israeli stuff in Ireland comes from. Let me just say I am in absolutely no way an Israeli supporter. The fact is we dont know at all if there were weapons on the ship or not but everyone automatically assumes there wasnt.

[ecowarrior10]

Not automatically assumed
the Turkish authorites have said the ship and its crew were fully searched and fully scanned before it left the port and THERE WAS NO WEAPONS onboard

[LFC Lad]

It won't make a blind bit of differance what Obama says tomorrow, the Israeli's just do not have any regard for the lives of Palestinian's or anybody that supports them. The pro - Israeli lobby in probably the most powerful group in America and Obama is not going to do anything to piss them off. Its always been this way and always will.

That is very true. An example of that was last year when Obama told the Isreali Prime Minister to stop settlement construction in the West Bank. As soon as the Prime Minister got home to Isreal, he said to continue with the settlements. That's one thing where Obama told them to do something, but the Isrealis just tossed his demand into the bin.

I'm not surprised at this latest incident. Good to hear that the 8 Irish people on the ships got out safely.

[south]

Irish Boat the MV Rachel Corrie proceeding to Gaza #flotilla

I received the following message from a member of the Belfast Palestine Solidarity Committee which has received word from the Free Gaza Movement that those aboard the Irish vessel "Rachel Corrie" have decided to proceed to Gaza. A full press release is expected shortly.

Niamh Moloughney of the Free Gaza Movement has just sent the following message :

>> Ok just got word from Derek,
>> they have all agreed to take the Rachel Corrie to Gaza as intended,
>> she's 2 days away, it's a Malaysian & Irish partnership
>> on board we have Denis Halliday, Mairead Maguire, Derek & Jenny Graham, Fiona Thompson (film)
>> and Mathias Chang human rights lawyer, Malaysian MP & media - bios attached
>> The Malaysians are serious contenders- they are very close to their government & have FULL support.
>> We have 2 days to turn this outrage into a victory & get the Rachel Corrie into Gaza with the support of the world
>> and open this sea route.
>> Will get press release together when I finish work - hopefully can stay awake!
>> all the best,
>> Niamh
http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/irish-boat-the-mv-rachel-corrie-proceeding-to

[GaryMc]

From breakingnews.ie

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Activists caught in the aid flotilla raid by Israeli forces claimed today that the commandos had beaten passengers and used electric shocks.

Six Greeks and several others, including a Turkish woman and her year-old baby, were released today, but Israel has barred access to hundreds of others seized.

Most of those killed were aboard the Turkish-flagged Mavi Marmara, and there have been conflicting accounts of what happened during the assault.

Turkish activist Nilufer Cetin, who had hidden with her baby in her cabin’s bathroom aboard the Mavi Marmara, said she believed there were 11 dead.

“The ship turned into a lake of blood,” Cetin told reporters in Istanbul, having returned after Israeli officials warned that jail would be too harsh for her child.

“We were aware of the possible danger” in joining the trip, she said. “But there are thousands of babies in Gaza. If we had reached Gaza we would have played with them and taken them food.”

She said Israeli vessels “harassed” the flotilla for two hours starting around 10 pm Sunday, and returned at around 4 am yesterday, fired warning shots and told the ships to turn back.

“When the Mavi Marmara continued on its course the harassment turned into an attack. They used smoke bombs followed by gas canisters. They started to descend onto the ship with helicopters,” she said, calling the clashes that then erupted “extremely bad and brutal.”

“I was one of the first victims to be released because I had a child,” she said, but “they confiscated everything, our telephones, laptops are all gone.” Her husband – the ship’s engineer – was still being held by Israel.

Six Greeks who returned home said those still in custody were refusing to sign papers.

“During their interrogation, many of them were badly beaten in front of us,” said Aris Papadokostopoulos, who was on the Free Mediterranean travelling behind the Turkish ship.

The six ships had been trying to break the three-year blockade of Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid, the activists said.

“Suddenly from everywhere we saw inflatables coming at us, and within seconds fully equipped commandos came up on the boat,” said Greek activist Dimitris Gielalis, who was on the Sfendoni.

“They came up and used plastic bullets, we had beatings, we had electric shocks, any method we can think of, they used,” he said.

He said the boat’s captain was beaten for refusing to leave the wheel, and had sustained non-life-threatening injuries, while a cameraman filming the raid was hit with a rifle butt in the eye,“ he said. ”Of course we weren’t prepared for a situation of war.“

Mr Papadokostopoulos said the Free Mediterranean, which was carrying mainly Greek and Swedish activists, was about 80 miles off Gaza when the raid was launched.

“The Turkish ship was in front of us ... on which there was a terrible raid from the air and from the sea and from everywhere, with shooting,” he said.

Aboard the other boats, he said, commandos beat activists, but nobody was gravely injured. He said no one put up resistance on the Free Mediterranean, which was carrying a cargo of wheelchairs, building material and medical and pharmaceutical aid.

“Some people were hit by clubs and electric shocks,” he said.

Crew member Mihalis Grigoropoulos said he was on the bridge of the Free Mediterranean and heard shooting coming from the Turkish ship.

Several people who tried to stop the Israeli forces from getting to the bridge were hit by electric shocks and plastic bullets, he said. “We didn’t resist at all. Even if we had wanted to, what could we do?”

Civil engineer Thanassis Petrogiannis said he had joined the flotilla to provide help in rebuilding destroyed Palestinian homes.

He said that, while in Israeli custody, authorities had demanded he sign a paper written in Hebrew. He refused, and was eventually given another document that he signed.

“Everyone who didn’t accept to sign is in jail,” he said.

[Juan]

How long will israel continue to get away with the murder of innocent people?
Its about time the international community done something about it.
Wont be holding my breath though.They have never done anything to really punish them. its sickening.

[stamullenredmen]

they should kick the ambassador out of ireland alright.between this and the passports craic they really are laughing at us.

[south]

i can see the Turks getting more involved in this in the coming days and weeks..


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[stevieg]

I agree with calls to kick the Israeli ambassador out of Ireland, because between this incident and the passport incident they show they dont give a sh1te about anyone else.

Also the Americans/Obama is an absolute bottler too failing to condemn the Israelis/Jews for what has gone on “The United States deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy,"

Grow some balls Obama and don't bow to the Jews in the US and be afraid to speak out.

[travis]

The 2 evils in this world the Israelis and Americans

[ecowarrior10]

the 2 evils in this world the israelis and americans

yes fully agree

[byrnetred]

The 2 evils in this world the Israelis and Americans

could throw religion in there

[northside red]

Not automatically assumed
the Turkish authorites have said the ship and its crew were fully searched and fully scanned before it left the port and THERE WAS NO WEAPONS onboard

The 2 evils in this world the Israelis and Americans

Our 2 evils are American.

As far as the holy land goes.
I have only met Israeli people while abroad and found them to be ignorant rude people BUT I have no opinion on this, in truth I would find myself agreeing with an average Israeli who's house/school/factory is being bombed from miles away by "freedom fighters" at fighting their own corner. They are surrounded by people who want them dead and maybe they think attack is the best form of defence. I have never met a Palestinian but my understanding is some of their supporters want Sharia states all across europe.
In effect they want to mutilate my daughter, keep me out of the pub and ban my porn. I know the Jewish lads like to mutilate themselves but the point is they have no desire to make me do the same.

[northside red]

As I'm on a roll all these Irish going out to hand jacks roll to the Arabs, have they not got any jobs back home, are they signing on, if so they are unavailable for work.
Are there working class heroes on that boat, are there f*ck!
Middle class beauts who want to save some street kid in Honduras/bombay/gaza but would refer to a jobless kid in cork/dublin/limerick as a lazy skanger.
Our countrys in the sh1t. Charity starts here. I've not seen a Palestinian with no job, in negative equity on a house 50 miles from anyone they know cos thats all they could afford who was sold a tissue of lies.
If you want to change the world start here hit Brian Cowen with the crowbar not some conscripted young lad with a gammy willy.
RANT OVER.

[General]

I think that a lot of Irish people draw an ignorant comparison between the two situations and thats where a lot of the anti israeli stuff in Ireland comes from. Let me just say I am in absolutely no way an Israeli supporter. The fact is we dont know at all if there were weapons on the ship or not but everyone automatically assumes there wasnt.

Was expecting you on this topic- as usual your argument is ridiculous. Your Israeli friends had no right to board whether the boats were armed (which they weren't according to the Israeli military) or not as they were sailing in International waters when attacked!!!

They were targeted in darkness to disguise the disgusting way innocent people were put to death for trying to help others less fortunate. I have no doubt the whole thing was premeditated murder - why else did the bast@rds go to such lengths to ensure 3 of our TD's were unable to join the flotilla. There is no defense to this atrocity, you just make it more unpalatable by trying!!!!

[General]

As I'm on a roll all these Irish going out to hand jacks roll to the Arabs, have they not got any jobs back home, are they signing on, if so they are unavailable for work.
Are there working class heroes on that boat, are there f*ck!
Middle class beauts who want to save some street kid in Honduras/bombay/gaza but would refer to a jobless kid in cork/dublin/limerick as a lazy skanger.
Our countrys in the sh1t. Charity starts here. I've not seen a Palestinian with no job, in negative equity on a house 50 miles from anyone they know cos thats all they could afford who was sold a tissue of lies.
If you want to change the world start here hit Brian Cowen with the crowbar not some conscripted young lad with a gammy willy.
RANT OVER.

????????????????? Unemployment is around 90% in Palestine due to Israeli oppression. As for negative equity!!!!! they're too busy worrying about getting their next meal!!! Head out of ass time!!

[vincenzo]

Our 2 evils are American.

As far as the holy land goes.
I have only met Israeli people while abroad and found them to be ignorant rude people BUT I have no opinion on this, in truth I would find myself agreeing with an average Israeli who's house/school/factory is being bombed from miles away by "freedom fighters" at fighting their own corner. They are surrounded by people who want them dead and maybe they think attack is the best form of defence. I have never met a Palestinian but my understanding is some of their supporters want Sharia states all across europe.
In effect they want to mutilate my daughter, keep me out of the pub and ban my porn. I know the Jewish lads like to mutilate themselves but the point is they have no desire to make me do the same.

For good reason. Thousands killed in 1947 and an millions forced to flee their own country because of what it says in some bible. Palestine was a realativley peaceful part of the world ,Jews and Muslims living side by side, until the British goverment under Attlee handed it over to the Zionist movement.

[stevieg]

Our 2 evils are American.

As far as the holy land goes.
I have only met Israeli people while abroad and found them to be ignorant rude people BUT I have no opinion on this, in truth I would find myself agreeing with an average Israeli who's house/school/factory is being bombed from miles away by "freedom fighters" at fighting their own corner. They are surrounded by people who want them dead and maybe they think attack is the best form of defence. I have never met a Palestinian but my understanding is some of their supporters want Sharia states all across europe.
In effect they want to mutilate my daughter, keep me out of the pub and ban my porn. I know the Jewish lads like to mutilate themselves but the point is they have no desire to make me do the same.

Then again if millions of Jews migrated into my homeland ignoring us people that already live here and taking our land, I would have a serious problem. Then continuing to expand their presence and leaving hundreds of thousand Palestinian refugees in their wake.

[stevieg]

For good reason. Thousands killed in 1947 and an millions forced to flee their own country because of what it says in some bible. Palestine was a realativley peaceful part of the world ,Jews and Muslims living side by side, until the British goverment under Attlee handed it over to the Zionist movement.

Ah the famous Zionist movement - who believe all Jews should be together in a single homeland at the expense of others.The Jews in their history have brought on some not all of their troubles themselves - that is not an anti-semitic comment before somebody tells me it is.

Israel need a good kick up their @rse!

[south]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/palestine-is-still-the-issue/ very good documentary about the troubles over there. there's also one with Rachel Corrie who the irish boat on the way to gaza is named after http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/rachel-an-american-conscience/..

[northside red]

????????????????? Unemployment is around 90% in Palestine due to Israeli oppression. As for negative equity!!!!! they're too busy worrying about getting their next meal!!! Head out of ass time!!

Worry about your own, the ghost estates and the jobless that is going to result in countless suicides & broken homes in this country. you want to take a crowbar to someone let it be cowen, martin or harney who've raped my country, And don't tell me take my head out of my ass when yours is obviously stuck up there.

[Andrew]

I agree with General here. I'm sure if you asked anyone in Gaza would they like to trade the situation there with the situation in Ireland, they'd take it. How many flotillas of aid do you see heading toward Ireland FFS. We're in recession, not a war zone. Get over yourself. If people feel that helping the people in Gaza is a worthy endevour, that is their choice, don't knock em for doing something about it. If you feel that strongly about the situation in Ireland, I suggest you take an active role in doing something to help (unless you already do, in which case, fair play to ya).

[sultana]

Was expecting you on this topic- as usual your argument is ridiculous. Your Israeli friends had no right to board whether the boats were armed (which they weren't according to the Israeli military) or not as they were sailing in International waters when attacked!!!

They were targeted in darkness to disguise the disgusting way innocent people were put to death for trying to help others less fortunate. I have no doubt the whole thing was premeditated murder - why else did the bast@rds go to such lengths to ensure 3 of our TD's were unable to join the flotilla. There is no defense to this atrocity, you just make it more unpalatable by trying!!!!

What do you mean you were expecting me? Is that some kinda veiled criticism because I supported Lisbon and you didnt agree? Your lack of respect for an opinion different from your own is beneath contempt.

My argument is quite simple really. You are happy to moralise from your comfortable home thousands of miles from the conflict and you make assumptions that suit your agenda. They baited the Israelis deliberately. If all they cared about was aid they could have landed at the port they were asked, allowed a check of the hold for weapons and then proceed to bring the supplies to Gaza.

I am not pro Israeli nor do I support their actions. Human life is made to look so cheap by the whole thing and thats what I find sad.

[General]

[QUOTE=sultana;345054]What do you mean you were expecting me? Is that some kinda veiled criticism because I supported Lisbon and you didnt agree? Your lack of respect for an opinion different from your own is beneath contempt.

My argument is quite simple really. You are happy to moralise from your comfortable home thousands of miles from the conflict and you make assumptions that suit youre agenda. They baited the Israelis deliberately. If all they cared about was aid they could have landed at the port they were asked, allowed a check of the hold for weapons and then proceed to bring the supplies to Gaza.

I am not pro Israeli nor do I support their actions. Human life is made to look so cheap by the whole thing and thats what I find sad.




Pathetic comment in a pathetic post - they were attacked by an army in International waters. They were unarmed. This is piracy, pure and simple. They kiilled innocent people whose only crime was to try to help those less fortunate. How you can try to defend this in incomprehensible.....

[sultana]

Pathetic comment in a pathetic post - they were attacked by an army in International waters. They were unarmed. This is piracy, pure and simple. They kiilled innocent people whose only crime was to try to help those less fortunate. How you can try to defend this in incomprehensible.....

They did bait the Israelis deliberately how can you dispute that?? And at no time did I defend the IDF's actions.

They were asked time and again to turn away to a different port where after a check for weapons they would have been escorted to the border and allowed to deliver the aid. If all they wanted to do as you say was deliver aid well why did they not do that? They refused to repeatedly. The army boarded the ship in an effort to turn it away to the other port. The activists absolutely knew the army would do that as that is what has happened before. Lots of different versions of events are thrown around but without a doubt when the marines landed on the ship they were immediately beaten with bars, one of them was thrown off the deck...that was recorded on video. The marines opened fire as marines were always going to do in that situation.

Without question boarding the ship was illegal as are a lot of Israel's actions. The murder of the activists was wrong. Completely. I'm not saying otherwise. I just don't see why you can't respond to any of the points I made instead of slagging me off? Youre so incredibly simplistic about the whole thing its laughable.

[ecowarrior10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EeuEgma0qA

[stevieg]

He should be fcuked out now! Bottlers are the Irish Govt.


The Oireachtas Foreign Affairs committee has described as "disappointing" the decision by the Israeli Ambassador to pull out of an emergency meeting on the Gaza flotilla attack later today.

Dr Zion Evrony was due to appear before the Committee, but pulled out yesterday afternoon due to "unforeseen circumstances". Requests for an alternative date were also refused.

The Ambassador was also expected to be questioned on Israel's intentions towards the Irish aid ship, the Rachel Corrie, which is currently on its way to the region.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/foreign-affairs-committee-disappointed-as-israeli-ambassador-cancels-meeting-460181.html#ixzz0pmQM4e4G

[sultana]

Article from Kevin Myers in todays Indo...

By Kevin Myers

Thursday June 03 2010

WELL, the Israeli commander who authorised the operation against the Gaza flotilla should now be given a job commensurate with his talents: he should be sent as a missionary to Helmand province, where he can promote the new Jewish sect of Nude Nomadism. This will include having sex with various mullahs' teenage daughters outside mosques, then publicly smearing their bodies with pork fat.

Every single feature of the Israeli operation was wrong. I say this as a friend of Israel. There is barely a better way of putting your men in danger than by dropping them slowly, one by one, from helicopters into the waiting arms of Islamicists. And that's what the Turkish-Arab boat largely consisted of.

Whatever the humanitarian motives of the Irish party heading towards Gaza on the 'Rachel Corrie', the overall effect of this mission to Gaza has been to support Hamas.

Did you see the Arab women's headgear on Al Jazeera TV News before the assault? Did you hear what they were singing?

Passengers on the Turkish vessel chanted: "Remember Khairbar, Khaibar, O Jews. The Army of Mohammed will return." This was a reference to the prophet's seizure of a Jewish-held oasis, the last Jewish settlement in Arabia.

Most of the Jews were slaughtered and their leader, Kinana bin al-Rabi, was captured. He was tied down and a fire lit on his chest and, just before death, he was beheaded. His wife was then forcibly 'married' to Mohammed. This is the event that some of the Gaza 'peace mission' -- though obviously, not the Irish -- were celebrating in song.

And no, this doesn't justify anyone being killed. But do you really believe that the Israelis set out to murder people? If so, why did they kill so few?

It's really time to grasp the gravity of what's going on here. Turkey is rapidly departing from the comity of secular states and moving towards Islamicism. Turkey is now closer to Iran than it has ever been since the Shah was overthrown. And Turkey's closest ally in the Arab world is now Syria, which is in a state of permanent war with Israel.

Hamas provides the elected government of Gaza. It is effectively a neo-Nazi movement, whose policy is to kill Israelis.

It demands the destruction of the state of Israel, just like Khaibar was destroyed (though I am not sure whether the forcible marriage of the surviving Jewish widows will form part of the Hamas project).

Most sinister of all, Sunni Hamas is being armed by Shia Iran. That's the reason for the Israeli blockade. Are the Israelis to allow open borders to a state that has fired 8,000 rockets into their towns?

Would you, if you had such a neighbour? For western Europeans to take sides with these forces against Israel constitutes a form of cultural suicide, the equivalent of a peace-convoy to aid the oppressed Germans of the Sudetenland in 1938.

Certainly, Israel has walked wide-eyed into a well-laid ambush. And not surprisingly, for its present government gives every sign of being clinically insane.

It's only weeks since it insulted US Vice President Joe Biden, actually during his visit to Israel, by announcing the construction of more Jewish settlements on the West Bank, in direct contravention of US policy.

Then there was, of course, the shockingly open murder in Dubai of a Hamas official, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh (50), by Mossad, and which involved the cynical use of forged passports of half a dozen 'friendly' countries. And now this flotilla fiasco.

So what bizarre foreign-policy initiatives lie ahead for this deranged Israeli government? We shouldn't be surprised to see it try and cement its relationship with Norway by promoting a Lapland Liberation Front, with Mossad training special suicide reindeer.

Israel's Swedish policy probably hinges on the recent capture of half a dozen vegan lesbian Swedes in Jerusalem, who will be ceremonially garroted live on YouTube. Israel's revised Asian strategy involves acclaiming the Dalai Lama as the head of an independent and sovereign Tibet and recognising Taiwan as the one true voice of China. Meanwhile, Israel is withdrawing its ambassador from Seoul, as it hails North Korea as the sole voice of the Korean people and agrees a bilateral ABCD pact with Pyongyang, covering atomic, biological, chemical and decibel warfare.

And of course, just to show the independent spirit of this current Israel, it is now probably about to throw its weight behind Mexico's territorial claims over Arizona, New Mexico and California, plus Canadian claims over New England and Oregon.

Oh yes -- and can it have its next cheque from Washington a little bit earlier this year, please?

Governments come and go in Israel. But in Gaza, Hamas has destroyed the power of the Fatah movement by murdering its leaders, scores of them, ruthlessly and methodically, without protest from 'the international community'.

It is now effectively a permanent government, whose operatives have this week again been trying to fire rockets into Israel.

Yet this is the organisation which is now being represented across the world's media as a victim. Delightful.

[vincenzo]

That article just supports the notion that when people critisize Isreal they are assumed to be sympathetic towards Hamas.

[sultana]

That article just supports the notion that when people critisize Isreal they are assumed to be sympathetic towards Hamas.

It supports the notion that the activists support Hamas.

[northside red]

Would you, if you had such a neighbour? For western Europeans to take sides with these forces against Israel constitutes a form of cultural suicide, the equivalent of a peace-convoy to aid the oppressed Germans of the Sudetenland in 1938.


quite true here, for all the jews knew there could have been a suicide bomber with a dirty bomb on one of those boats, Israel is at war, they are right to be paranoid. As for the do gooders bringing copybooks to the arabs, I'll say it again, if you want to crowbar a politician who's responsible for young kids dying let it be Mary Harney, shes a big enough target YOU WON'T MISS

[Juan]

More unadultarated bollox fom kevin myers.If your a humanitarian...or a peace activist against israels murder...and their denying of the people of palestine their basic human rights...then you deserve praise for your stance.
What a ridiculous article that was.Thought kevin couldnt move any further to the right.

[Juan]

I heard the aid ship.. the rachel corrie is 80 miles from gaza,in international waters.55miles from the exclusion zone.

[Liverpoolharp]

kevin myers is a coplete arsewhole always takes the oppoite view to keep himself in a job ..did it on the north for years............

[macca]

Nearly makes the pro/anti benitez conflict seem a minor matter

[elvis]

Nearly makes the pro/anti benitez conflict seem a minor matter

I played astro turf tonight and a few of the lads wore Ajax jerseys because they are anti Jew, I thought it was a bit harsh to turn anti semetic over this,. It's not the entire Jewish race/ Israeli populus that is bad,.

[Juan]

I played astro turf tonight and a few of the lads wore Ajax jerseys because they are anti Jew, I thought it was a bit harsh to turn anti semetic over this,. It's not the entire Jewish race/ Israeli populus that is bad,.

Thats true.you cant tar them all with the same brush. There are a lot of jews/israelis who speak out against their governments actions.

[redeagle]

Would you, if you had such a neighbour? For western Europeans to take sides with these forces against Israel constitutes a form of cultural suicide, the equivalent of a peace-convoy to aid the oppressed Germans of the Sudetenland in 1938.


quite true here, for all the jews knew there could have been a suicide bomber with a dirty bomb on one of those boats, Israel is at war, they are right to be paranoid. As for the do gooders bringing copybooks to the arabs, I'll say it again, if you want to crowbar a politician who's responsible for young kids dying let it be Mary Harney, shes a big enough target YOU WON'T MISS

You have banged on about "doing it at home first" but I have yet to read any sort of solution you have to any of Irelands problems.

On top of the "doing it on the doorstep" you are essentially justifying the use of killing civilians out of "paranoia".

[northside red]

You have banged on about "doing it at home first" but I have yet to read any sort of solution you have to any of Irelands problems.

On top of the "doing it on the doorstep" you are essentially justifying the use of killing civilians out of "paranoia". .

you know nothing about me, if you want to call me ignorant we'll discuss it over a pint at a game next season, or at the SOS agm, or the Independence Day protest march.

[redeagle]

you know nothing about me, if you want to call me ignorant we'll discuss it over a pint at a game next season, or at the SOS agm, or the Independence Day protest march.


I don't really care much about the issues of LFC compared to the actual issues of humanity.

I assume the IDPM is jewish people marching against the Israel independence day?

[northside red]

I don't really care much about the issues of LFC compared to the actual issues of humanity.

I assume the IDPM is jewish people marching against the Israel independence day?

well go on boards.ie then because this is a Liverpool forum. and stop telling me what to think.

[redeagle]

well go on boards.ie then because this is a Liverpool forum. and stop telling me what to think. knob

It's a current affairs sub forum and I don't see how problems of LFC can be comparable to that of gaza (on this topic).

I never once told you what to think, clearly you have your own skewered opinions.

[Gerry]

Lads leave out the personal insults

[Juan]

Only a matter of hours before israel rolls this guy out again...giving the usual lies to the gullible media...although there are a few that dont swallow his mantra.
Heres a couple of gems from last year as israel slaughtered 1400 in gaza..most of them women and children.
Ill give him this though. you,me, and millions of others know he is lying,even he knows hes a liar. but he still manages to keep a straight face.
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