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7Cannibal-9Asbo
14-04-2010, 10:26 AM
Its pretty obvious that we need a left back during the transfer window, Aurelio is too injury prone to rely on and Insua isn't good enough yet, I could be wrong as we all were with Lucas if every can get over the hatred they've built up for him.
Rafa has said recently that a top quality player is 15-20 million so who do you think we could get, I'm struggling to think of a top left back that we could lure to the club if we get the finances we need apart from maybe Cissokho who would be hard to get seen as he'd be leaving a Champions League team for a team in the Europa league.
So who do you think we could get provided the miraculous exit of Cancer & Aids?
T.N.F
14-04-2010, 10:27 AM
Its pretty obvious that we need a left back during the transfer window, Aurelio is too injury prone to rely on and Insua isn't good enough yet, I could be wrong as we all were with Lucas if every can get over the hatred they've built up for him.
Rafa has said recently that a top quality player is 15-20 million so who do you think we could get, I'm struggling to think of a top left back that we could lure to the club if we get the finances we need apart from maybe Cissokho who would be hard to get seen as he'd be leaving a Champions League team for a team in the Europa league.
So who do you think we could get provided the miraculous exit of Cancer & Aids?
Baines for 10
how much would it cost to get risse back he never done anything wrong while playing for us might be a shout
K1lladeer
14-04-2010, 10:30 AM
Think Bale would be a very good addition..great going forward aswell.
RedArmagh
14-04-2010, 10:34 AM
Think Bale would be a very good addition..great going forward aswell.
cant defend for sh*t bit is top notch going forward.
7Cannibal-9Asbo
14-04-2010, 10:36 AM
Baines for 10
Be hard to get a player from the bitters I'd say
elvis
14-04-2010, 10:38 AM
Juan Manuel Vargas, from Fiorentina, would be an excellent signing would cost between 10-15 million,.
ROCCO
14-04-2010, 10:41 AM
Juan Manuel Vargas, from Fiorentina, would be an excellent signing would cost between 10-15 million,.
Would be on my short list , has had a very good season this year .. A very attacking wing back as well ..
Also like Phillip Lahm but didn't Munich have him at right back v UTD ?
RedArmagh
14-04-2010, 10:42 AM
Juan Manuel Vargas, from Fiorentina, would be an excellent signing would cost between 10-15 million,.
like this lad myself, prob out of our price range tho. him and johnson attacking the flanks would be some sight to see!
redmen84
14-04-2010, 10:44 AM
i'd go for philipp lahm i no he's right footed put perfers playin left back then again he's not going to leave bayern in the champions league to play for us in the europa league like.
Badman
14-04-2010, 10:48 AM
the guy for benfica, think he's brazilian but cant think of his name. in england there arent that many, and i dont c rafa searching through the c'ship to find a rough diamond like moyes has done with lescott, cahill, et al. i kinda like belhadj at pompey but that's just a stab in the dark. has always impressed me going forward, is very quick, young and could improve defensively in the right setting. already a decent defender in my eyes
ROCCO
14-04-2010, 10:51 AM
David Luiz { Benfica} is a player who caught my eye when i was keeping a eye on Di Maria { disappointed me most times } even though he is a centre back he is also a very good left back and only 22.
When i asked around about him i was told he was cost huge money ......
Badman
14-04-2010, 10:53 AM
David Luiz { Benfica}
yeah thats they guy i think alrite, i thought he was good
Ron1892
14-04-2010, 10:54 AM
David Luiz { Benfica} is a player who caught my eye first a centre back but also a very good left back and only 22.
wouldnt mind seeing his floopy hair bombing down our flnaks..Had a decent game for them against us and it was only his second Europa league game..Think this boy could cost a few pound though because he can play any where across the back four..
Also he is not afraid to get forward or even have a shot as he had a couple of pops against us..Good reccommendation though..
CrazyHorse
14-04-2010, 10:55 AM
That Davi Ruiz from Benfica aint bad, but his price would have rocketed with this season performaces, so he's a no-go.
Baines is a very good player, but I doubt we'd get him from Gollum.
Lahm is also an excellent player but like above, I dont see him leaving Bayern for us right now, plus his price would be quite high.
Bale is a great young player imo... defending is'nt top notch, but that will improve. Going forward he has the lot, pace, strenght and a cannon on his left leg... unfortunatley, he would realistically be out of our price range again...
Vargas is a very good shout, and I read something about the viola being in some financial difficulty recently. But he'd attract some top teams who could outbid us... :(
It might be a case of taking a slight risk signing a lb for next year i Fabio is off...
Wayne Bridge is a player who could do a job for us, and I dont think he'd be overly expensive either. Good player...
Thoughts on Bridge??
7Cannibal-9Asbo
14-04-2010, 10:57 AM
yeah thats they guy i think alrite, i thought he was good
Ye he was really good, mainly used as a centre back, but he'd have to be convinced that he'll get back into the Champions League cause Benfica will be there next year and it doesn't look like we will.
Its going to be our biggest problem this season to attract top quality players to the team seen as we look like a team in desendancy
ROCCO
14-04-2010, 11:02 AM
Wayne Bridge is a player who could do a job for us, and I dont think he'd be overly expensive either. Good player...
Thoughts on Bridge??
Not to impressed with Bridge to be honest and approaching 30 and imo was never the fattest getting up the wings either when younger.A player at that age imo would have to be on a bosman .
bobby benitez
14-04-2010, 11:03 AM
I was ridiculed when I suggested we should try get Bale as part of the Keane sale. Going to be the best left full in England in 2 years.
CrazyHorse
14-04-2010, 11:04 AM
Not to impressed with Bridge to be honest and approaching 30 and imo was never the fattest getting up the wings either when younger.A player at that age imo would have to be on a bosman .
Wow, didnt realise he was 30....!!!!!
Thought he was more 27/28'ish for some reason...
Scrap that so! :)
ROCCO
14-04-2010, 11:05 AM
I was ridiculed when I suggested we should try get Bale as part of the Keane sale. Going to be the best left full in England in 2 years.
Must see something i dont ... i dont rate that high .. has potential for sure ..
Didn't spurs not win a game in 20 years while he was in the team ?
dmac1989
14-04-2010, 11:07 AM
vargas is a quality player and would be a great buy!
T.N.F
14-04-2010, 11:07 AM
Be hard to get a player from the bitters I'd say
I agree but he was a Liverpool fan growing up. Bale is very good goingforward, I think he'd cost about 20 at this stage
bobby benitez
14-04-2010, 11:09 AM
Must see something i dont ... i dont rate that high .. has potential for sure ..
Didn't spurs not win a game in 20 years while he was in the team ?
Yeah, thats what held him back imo. Young lad with a lot of potential, cant have been easy having that record over your head.
EDIT: Belhaj, good shout for our budget.
ROCCO
14-04-2010, 11:10 AM
Yeah, thats what held him back imo. Young lad with a lot of potential, cant have been easy having that record over your head.
how long did the curse last ...
bobby benitez
14-04-2010, 11:11 AM
how long did the curse last ...
Not sure, was over 20 though.
CrazyHorse
14-04-2010, 11:11 AM
Didn't spurs not win a game in 20 years while he was in the team ?
:)
T.N.F
14-04-2010, 11:12 AM
Wow, didnt realise he was 30....!!!!!
Thought he was more 27/28'ish for some reason...
Scrap that so! :)
Where do the years go when youre sitting on a London bench for 3 years making a fortine for not playing!
i actually like him and if City got someone big, I wouldn't mind having him. I think City's players might be available this year if they reach 4th and spend a gazillion in the summer
CrazyHorse
14-04-2010, 11:14 AM
Where do the years go when youre sitting on a London bench for 3 years making a fortine for not playing!
i actually like him and if City got someone big, I wouldn't mind having him. I think City's players might be available this year if they reach 4th and spend a gazillion in the summer
Yeah, Bridge is a good left back imo.
Cant imagine he's gonna cost alot.
I would deffo take him in our current situation if for a couple of million.
Badman
14-04-2010, 11:17 AM
i actually like him and if City got someone big, I wouldn't mind having him. I think City's players might be available this year if they reach 4th and spend a gazillion in the summer
then maybe garrido would be worth a look. altho ive only seen him play a couple of times, he was godd enough when i saw him. think he takes a decent setpiece too. if city were selling i'd be in for ireland or SWP as they are good prem league players so no need for 'settling in' period. they'll prob be offloading santa cruz too at a huge loss, cannot believe they paid nearly 18m for him...he's good but he's not THAT good
djdwainec
14-04-2010, 11:19 AM
would get bale too, really good going forward and can play left back or left wing, can only improve defending and young enough
T.N.F
14-04-2010, 11:25 AM
then maybe garrido would be worth a look. altho ive only seen him play a couple of times, he was godd enough when i saw him. think he takes a decent setpiece too. if city were selling i'd be in for ireland or SWP as they are good prem league players so no need for 'settling in' period. they'll prob be offloading santa cruz too at a huge loss, cannot believe they paid nearly 18m for him...he's good but he's not THAT good
Hughes paid some ridiculous money for players. 25 for Lescott??
I'd defo take Stevie Ireland and Swp and yeah Garrido has looked good.
7Cannibal-9Asbo
14-04-2010, 11:27 AM
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Looks a decent player alright, definitely fast. Not going to rave about this video though cause you could make Djimi Traore look like a world beater with a few clips on youtube :p:D
Pimboli
14-04-2010, 11:37 AM
Rafa has said recently that a top quality player is 15-20 million so who do you think we could get, I'm struggling to think of a top left back that we could lure to the club if we get the finances we need apart from maybe Cissokho who would be hard to get seen as he'd be leaving a Champions League team for a team in the Europa league.
If Rafa thinks we can get top quality players for 15-20 million I definately dont want him having control of our budget this season as Keane, Aquaman and Johnston are our last 3 signings in that bracket and I wouldnt call any of them top quality, Johnston will do a job but was way over priced, Aquaman the jury is out on as he does have ability but will he remain fit enough to show it on a regular basis? and Keane well we all know about that one.
The fact is Torres was a total fluke at his price and despite being our then record signing is now a bargin as although a lot will rate Garrard as our most influential player without Torres we have zero up front and I rate him as our MVP now.
Villa is quoted at £40m plus bonkers wages despite being 28, Silva another long time target will be in the £25m range because of Real and City you are going to get solid or decent players for the sub £20mil bracket for top quality you will need to be nearer £30mil for a player
7Cannibal-9Asbo
14-04-2010, 11:45 AM
If Rafa thinks we can get top quality players for 15-20 million I definately dont want him having control of our budget this season as Keane, Aquaman and Johnston are our last 3 signings in that bracket and I wouldnt call any of them top quality, Johnston will do a job but was way over priced, Aquaman the jury is out on as he does have ability but will he remain fit enough to show it on a regular basis? and Keane well we all know about that one.
The fact is Torres was a total fluke at his price and despite being our then record signing is now a bargin as although a lot will rate Garrard as our most influential player without Torres we have zero up front and I rate him as our MVP now.
Villa is quoted at £40m plus bonkers wages despite being 28, Silva another long time target will be in the £25m range because of Real and City you are going to get solid or decent players for the sub £20mil bracket for top quality you will need to be nearer £30mil for a player
Don't think he was a fluke, he looked a good player at the time and he was expensive enough back then, its only in the last few years that the market has become so inflated.
edcarroll02
14-04-2010, 11:56 AM
Don't think he was a fluke, he looked a good player at the time and he was expensive enough back then, its only in the last few years that the market has become so inflated.
I don't think he was a fluke either but I don't agree that the market wasn't inflated back then, Chelsea were doing their best to drive up the prices for everyone at the time. I think Rafa had a bit of inside knowledge in La Liga which has long since been erradicated due to the emergence of Spain as a world powerhouse and obviously the achievements of Barca! Everyone looks to spain for good young players now which is making the prices unreal, no doubt Man City and Real haven't helped though!
Pimboli
14-04-2010, 11:57 AM
Don't think he was a fluke, he looked a good player at the time and he was expensive enough back then, its only in the last few years that the market has become so inflated.
He was expensive for us as Liverpool have never been known for big signings, Cisse was our record signing there for a while.
When I say he was a fluke at that price is even a few years ago when the Chavs had money it was rare to come across a young highly rated international striker for that sort of price that not only worked out but his value practically doubled in one season. Real have been paying silly amounts all the way back to Zidane so Torres being worth £50m now at least isnt just due to City/Chavs inflating the market remember the Mancs wasted £28m on Veron as far back as 2000.
The last real signing of value compred to Torres IMO is Shrek at the Mancs
MutantNinjaSkrtel
14-04-2010, 12:01 PM
Vargas is the pick of the bunch but is way,way out of our price range and should be joining Real in the summer.
Don't rate Bridge personally and he's approaching 30 and on ridiculous wages.
Bitters would never sell us Baines and as decent as he is,I don't think he'd be worth the money they'd demand and the inevitable drawn out transfer saga Moyes would drag us into.
Bale's been outstanding going forward but is suspect at the back.What we need on that side is a solid defender because out and out wing backs on both sides would leave us very exposed-especially since our CB's aren't the quickest.Most top clubs have one full back who is good defensively and will sit back while the other full back has licence to bomb on-eg Cafu and Maldini,Ramos and Arby,Alves and Abidal,Brown and Evra etc.
Lahm was brilliant when he first burst onto the scene but has been living off his reputation-he's been poor for a while now.We're going to have to sign an unknown from the continent I'd say.
babbsnads
14-04-2010, 12:05 PM
I liked the look of cissohko from Lyon. Granted I've only seen him a few times but he's quick and strong. Plus I can't see us spending big money on a full back this summer. I don't know what he'd cost but throw in a cheeky bid for him to test the water. Doesn't really seem to be on many peoples radar so you never know.
Badman
14-04-2010, 12:08 PM
liked the look of cissohko from Lyon. Granted I've only seen him a few times but he's quick and strong. Plus I can't see us spending big money on a full back this summer. I don't know what he'd cost but throw in a cheeky bid for him to test the water. Doesn't really seem to be on many peoples radar so you never know.
pretty sure lyon only just bought him from porto - and coxt em in the £20-25m range so i'd say our chances of getting him cheap now when they're in the semis of the CL and we're in the europa league are slim. i reckon 4-5m tops is what we'll spend on a left back and that means someone unheard of or someone like garrido, belhadj etc
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/olympiakos-move-to-sign-aurelio
babbsnads
14-04-2010, 12:34 PM
pretty sure lyon only just bought him from porto - and coxt em in the £20-25m range so i'd say our chances of getting him cheap now when they're in the semis of the CL and we're in the europa league are slim. i reckon 4-5m tops is what we'll spend on a left back and that means someone unheard of or someone like garrido, belhadj etc
Oh right. Scratch that so. Not many left backs out there we can afford it would seem.
barrydoherty
14-04-2010, 12:38 PM
Would love to get Bale but know its probably not possible, I can see him being as good as Ashley Cole in years to come, A very Similar player and what you need nowadays in a left back.
GaryMc
14-04-2010, 01:49 PM
Ok lads, jack of all trades Jamie O Hara would improve the current Liverpool squad no end. Can play LB, CM and LM. He has been head and shoulders Pompeys best player with 4 goals and 6 assists this season.
He wont bring up to the next level, but definately would be a good squad addition to cover a number of positions.
mascherIANO
14-04-2010, 01:51 PM
id take riise back if we could get him for under 7 mill
barrydoherty
14-04-2010, 01:53 PM
id take riise back if we could get him for under 7 mill
Did we not sell him for like 3 million could be wrong? that would be such a backwards step and Rafa won't do that
mascherIANO
14-04-2010, 01:57 PM
Did we not sell him for like 3 million could be wrong? that would be such a backwards step and Rafa won't do that
i thought it was 5 million we sold him for. i dont think Rafa will do that cause I personally dont think he will be here.
dantheman23
14-04-2010, 01:57 PM
Steven Warnock
ROCCO
16-04-2010, 07:48 AM
Also been impressed from a attacking point of view with Marcelo of Real Madrid ..
RedArmagh
16-04-2010, 08:22 AM
Also been impressed from a attacking point of view with Marcelo of Real Madrid ..
yea but was he not so bad defensively they had to move him to left wing - excellent going forward though.
stevieg
16-04-2010, 08:25 AM
It's funny people mentioning Riise, he was abused to kingdom come on many different Liverpool forums all through his last season and then his own goal against Chelsea in the CL was the final nail in his coffin - people where baying for his blood.
Not that many quality left backs out there at the moment.
7Cannibal-9Asbo
16-04-2010, 09:25 AM
It's funny people mentioning Riise, he was abused to kingdom come on many different Liverpool forums all through his last season and then his own goal against Chelsea in the CL was the final nail in his coffin - people where baying for his blood.
Not that many quality left backs out there at the moment.
He didn't even have a shocking last season, just wasn't drilling in goals. I never really thought it was enough of a basis to sell him on and the own goal was a stupid bit of misjudgement in the heat of the moment, hardly as bad as him throwing the game or something.
stevieg
16-04-2010, 09:30 AM
He didn't even have a shocking last season, just wasn't drilling in goals. I never really thought it was enough of a basis to sell him on and the own goal was a stupid bit of misjudgement in the heat of the moment, hardly as bad as him throwing the game or something.
No but some of the knowledgeable football fans assume because he didn't score goals he had gone sh1t and was passed it and hence abused him for most of the season.
7Cannibal-9Asbo
16-04-2010, 09:35 AM
No but some of the knowledgeable football fans assume because he didn't score goals he had gone sh1t and was passed it and hence abused him for most of the season.
Completely on your side mate, sure we it doesn't matter who the player is some people will abuse them for a bit of a drop in form.
Another player we could bring back for left back would be Warnock, he's been fairly solid this season with Villa
1_mossy_1
16-04-2010, 07:58 PM
Benfica left back.. luiz i think his name was.He was pretty quality and also cissoko from lyon he is also mad to come to the premiership as he has said many times
MutantNinjaSkrtel
16-04-2010, 08:04 PM
He didn't even have a shocking last season, just wasn't drilling in goals. I never really thought it was enough of a basis to sell him on and the own goal was a stupid bit of misjudgement in the heat of the moment, hardly as bad as him throwing the game or something.
Riise,as much as I liked him was hopeless in his final season at both ends and we were right to get rid at the time.
hoopish
16-04-2010, 08:18 PM
Firstly we 'd be continuing to stagnate if we bring back Riise or Warnock. also i would be sceptical of taking anyone from the Italian league(twice bitten with Dossena and Aqua). Luiz does not look the best defender. However, Bale is improving all the time similarly to Glen Johnson when Redknapp got a hold of him.
Richie86
16-04-2010, 09:52 PM
I liked the look of luiz when we played benfica, the fact that he can play LB and CB is also a major plus. also think Capdevilla the spain and villareal LB is a quality player he's in his 30's now so shouldnt pay mad money for him either.
stevieg
16-04-2010, 10:31 PM
You can see from this thread that there is no strong candidates for a solid quality left back
Talks of ex players like Warnock and Riise, centre backs who can play left back have been mentioned.
United and Chelsea are lucky to have two very good players in Evra and Cole.
We need an experienced left back who is a solid defender and is not a jack of all trades!
7Cannibal-9Asbo
16-04-2010, 10:37 PM
You can see from this thread that there is no strong candidates for a solid quality left back
Talks of ex players like Warnock and Riise, centre backs who can play left back have been mentioned.
United and Chelsea are lucky to have two very good players in Evra and Cole.
We need an experienced left back who is a solid defender and is not a jack of all trades!
There's a few quality left backs out there but its just a matter of price and attracting them to a team without Champions League football
7Cannibal-9Asbo
16-04-2010, 10:38 PM
Riise,as much as I liked him was hopeless in his final season at both ends and we were right to get rid at the time.
1 poor season is a fairly harsh reason to let a player go, if we done that this season half the squad would be out the door
F@ces
23-04-2010, 08:06 AM
Saw Bridge mentioned in this thread. Check this stat out:
Wayne Bridge has attempted 42 crosses this season without seeing a single one reach a team-mate.
dmac1989
23-04-2010, 08:14 AM
Saw Bridge mentioned in this thread. Check this stat out:
Wayne Bridge has attempted 42 crosses this season without seeing a single one reach a team-mate.
That realy is a shocking stat. How is that even possible, I see young lads down the park doing alot beter than that.
stevieg
23-04-2010, 09:29 AM
Saw Bridge mentioned in this thread. Check this stat out:
Wayne Bridge has attempted 42 crosses this season without seeing a single one reach a team-mate.
Out of interest, have you the same stat on any other left backs in the League?
F@ces
23-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Out of interest, have you the same stat on any other left backs in the League?
I'm afraid I don't mate! I'm always looking for the best places to get stats, but I have yet to find one place where I can get every last bit of information. I could get stuff from the official Premier League site, using the Fantasy Football section of it, soccernet, lfchistory.net etc etc.
I got the above from here (http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_6105563,00.html), but that's just a few 'interesting' stats on each club. For Liverpool it just has:
Liverpool
* All seven of David Ngog's league goals have come at Anfield.
* Jamie Carragher and Glen Johnson were the only outfield starters not to have a shot against West Ham on Monday night.
* Liverpool have kept the same number of clean sheets (15) as league leaders Chelsea, but Pepe Reina has kept one more clean sheet than Petr Cech.
On the final one, appears I got Pepe's stats wrong myself after the West Ham game (probably because I assumed that the official Premier League site was up to date right after the match, and I forgot that one of Chelseas clean sheets wasn't with Cech).
aquaman
28-04-2010, 04:36 PM
Saw Bridge mentioned in this thread. Check this stat out:
Wayne Bridge has attempted 42 crosses this season without seeing a single one reach a team-mate.
thats poor from him but stats can mislead.he is a decent full back
Phil!
28-04-2010, 05:50 PM
One of three for me:
Vargas(Fiorentina)
Luiz(Benfica)
Cissokho(Lyon)
All probably be a bit pricey but could definately do the job!
7Cannibal-9Asbo
19-07-2010, 12:28 PM
Seems we're now being linked with Figueroa and Konchesky at left back, don't know what the point is in getting rid of Insua and then being linked with two players who are on par with him but much older. We really need a top quality left back so we sure up the defence before worrying about the players up front.
The St John
19-07-2010, 12:54 PM
Seems we're now being linked with Figueroa and Konchesky at left back, don't know what the point is in getting rid of Insua and then being linked with two players who are on par with him but much older. We really need a top quality left back so we sure up the defence before worrying about the players up front.
If we end up signing Konchesky,then I honestly will give up..Ian Harte would be a better option than that rag..rant over
Liverpool-law
19-07-2010, 02:13 PM
I don't think Konchesky is that bad. He's in the last year of his contract isn't he? Would get him very cheap... he's good on the overlap. Not sure there are many good left backs that we could afford out there.
I think we could do with another right back, I'd play Johnson on the right wing and cash in on Kuyt as he's 30 now and we could make a bit of money out of him after the world cup. Fantasy management. :)
clayton
19-07-2010, 02:15 PM
Realistically, what left back can we expect to come in? i wonder i wonder
Raven136
19-07-2010, 02:17 PM
who was better or more consistent than Konchesky last season?
Benbecul97
19-07-2010, 02:17 PM
Where's Stephen Warnock when you need him?!
James
19-07-2010, 02:23 PM
Konchesky is as accomplished a fullback as you'll find in the Premier League. He and Cole could work well on the left.
If he was to turn out half as good as the last full back we took from Fulham he would be a super signing.
barrydoherty
19-07-2010, 02:28 PM
Seems we're now being linked with Figueroa and Konchesky at left back, don't know what the point is in getting rid of Insua and then being linked with two players who are on par with him but much older. We really need a top quality left back so we sure up the defence before worrying about the players up front.
Honestly both them players are miles ahead off Insua so I won't be too disappointed if one off them came. Konchesky had a brilliant season last season.
Cissokho would be my first choice but don't think he would come and then there is also the money issue.
Bren100
19-07-2010, 02:39 PM
Bale .
Dont rate him personally.
Ok lads, jack of all trades Jamie O Hara would improve the current Liverpool squad no end. Can play LB, CM and LM.
If he cant get a game at Spurs Im not sure about him. Squad player at best.
id take riise back if we could get him for under 7 mill
Past it.
Steven Warnock
Not good enough
Saw Bridge mentioned in this thread.
Dont think they'll sell him vs dont think we can afford him. Injury prone'ish we can get someone more solid - dont know who though, maybe Abidal if he was cheap enough?
Konchesky is as accomplished a fullback as you'll find in the Premier League. He and Cole could work well on the left.
I think Roy will be true to his work and leave Fulham alone ...
7Cannibal-9Asbo
19-07-2010, 02:49 PM
If we could get a bit of money for two left backs I'd like to get Capdevilla and then either buy a young left back who has the pace and strength that Insua lacked or bring through somebody from the Academy
KOPSTAR
19-07-2010, 03:19 PM
What about the mexico left back he had a great world cup ( if we had money)
trucker
19-07-2010, 03:32 PM
If we end up signing Konchesky,then I honestly will give up..Ian Harte would be a better option than that rag..rant over
He's no Ashley cole but konchesky is much better than insua, he wouldn't be my first choice but there's not alot of great LB out there and Koncheskey would do a good job for 2/3 years, defending is about been a unit and hodgson will know if he'll fit our unit.
Span Molby
19-07-2010, 03:41 PM
For me, there arent that many decent left backs out there, bar the top few (Evra, Cole etc..), who are out of our league. The next level down they are all much of a muchness, in my opinion
RobbieC
19-07-2010, 03:49 PM
What about the mexico left back he had a great world cup ( if we had money)
Plays for psv he does and doesn't defend very well.
Ron1892
19-07-2010, 07:07 PM
Danijel Pranjić from Bayern Munich..He only signed for them last year, but he has not been getting his game for them..And he was saying he wants to leave..We were linked with him last season but i think the fee was too high..He is a croatian..He is meant to be able to play on the left wing too..Only paided 24 times for Bayern last seaon..
Terry Conlon
19-07-2010, 08:03 PM
Where's Stephen Warnock when you need him?! Spot on mate! Bring back Stevie Warnock would be a shrewed move and he is english. It would be nice to have 5 or 6 English players in the side.
megager
19-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Nicky Shorey or Luke Young? Not great and both oldish but maybe cheapish and either would be at least decent squad players. I reckon both would be more solid than Insua.
I was at a few Fulham games last year and Konchesky is excellent for them. Great positionsal sense and does get forward. We could do a lot worse.
oganly
19-07-2010, 10:56 PM
Danijel Pranjić from Bayern Munich..He only signed for them last year, but he has not been getting his game for them..And he was saying he wants to leave..We were linked with him last season but i think the fee was too high..He is a croatian..He is meant to be able to play on the left wing too..Only paided 24 times for Bayern last seaon..
Now there's a player I'd like to see at LFC.
I was thinking today that surely the club wouldn't/couldn't let both Aurelio and Insua leave without a replacement arranged?
The only thing would be is how much.........
ROCCO
20-07-2010, 12:58 PM
Danijel Pranjić from Bayern Munich..He only signed for them last year, but he has not been getting his game for them..And he was saying he wants to leave..We were linked with him last season but i think the fee was too high..He is a croatian..He is meant to be able to play on the left wing too..Only paided 24 times for Bayern last seaon..
Was glad when he went to Munich and didn't end up with us , still feel the same.
ROCCO
20-07-2010, 01:01 PM
Reto Ziegler 'tops Roy Hodgson's left-back transfer list for Liverpool'
Swiss international defender Reto Ziegler has emerged as new Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson's top transfer target to fill the vacant role at left-back
Sampdoria star Ziegler, who starred in the group stages of this summer's World Cup, could be available for a cut-price fee of around £6million as reports suggest he is keen to leave the club.
Following Luigi del Neri's departure for Juventus earlier this summer, a number of players are thought to be on the verge of leaving - with former Spurs player Ziegler among them.
The Swiss has some Premier League experience from his time at White Hart Lane, as well as a loan spell with Wigan in 2006.
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/835581-reto-ziegler-tops-roy-hodgsons-left-back-transfer-list-for-liverpool
clayton
20-07-2010, 01:36 PM
is Reto Ziegler any good? if we are stuck, he should maybe look at Grosso in the short term.
Warnock is the best shout would like to see him back at the club.
F@ces
20-07-2010, 02:34 PM
Number of quotes: zero. It's lazier the hacks get. Link us with Konchesky because Roy managed Fulham. Link us with Ziegler because Roy managed Switzerland (or we are in Switzerland). You couldn't make it up. Or you could. Here, I'll give it a go...
EXCLUSIVE: Liverpool target Udinese ace Lukovic
Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson is 'interested in signing left-back Aleksandar Lukovic', according to sources. "The F@ces Star" can EXCLUSIVELY reveal the Serbian defender could be placed on the transfer market by the Bianconeri, if team-mate Andrea Coda remains at the club. Hodgson, who enjoyed a short managerial stint at the club, is said to be keen to replace the departing Emiliano Insua, and believes Lukovic to be the ideal candidate.
For more EXCLUSIVELY EXCLUSIVE stories with more capitization of the word EXCLUSIVE than you could throw a stick at, please click the below link. The F@ces Star comes to you in conjunction with The Trucker Gazette, part of the Associated Irishkop Press.
Easy job, journalism.... :)
Derekc
20-07-2010, 02:34 PM
Warnock has no football brain and dives into everything. shouldn't be considered imo.
gives away too many free kicks and pen's by being so rash. it's how he picked up so many injuries at us too.
he gave away a ridiculous pen against city towards end of season.
watch him and see how many corners and throw in's he gives the opposition by not staying on his feet, if there's a chance of letting the ball run out for goal kick he'll dive in when there's no one about and give away a corner.
I liked the lad of portugal Fábio Coentrão. Played well in matches against us with benifica too. Also liked mexican let back from psv Carlos Salcido.
ROCCO
20-07-2010, 02:42 PM
I liked the lad of portugal Fábio Coentrão. Played well in matches against us with benifica too. Also liked mexican let back from psv Carlos Salcido.
Nice if we could afford £25m , missed the boat 2008-2009 when he couldn't get a game for Benfica , last season he was one of there best players and his value has soared.
Think Carlos Salcido may be out of contract ?
travis
25-07-2010, 07:12 PM
Liverpool are considering a move for Carlos Salcido as they continue their search for a new left-back.
Fabio Aurelio left the club earlier this summer and Emiliano Insua's imminent sale to Fiorentina will see Roy Hodgson going into Thursday's Europa League qualifier with FC Rabotnicki without a first-choice player on the left-hand side of defence.
Having previously turned their attentions to Fulham's Paul Konchesky, Wigan Athletic's Maynor Figueroa and Manchester City full-back Wayne Bridge, the Reds have identified Salcido, 30, as their latest alternative.
The Mexico international is available for as little as £2million after a high profile fall-out with PSV Eindhoven manager Fred Rutten.
Versatile Salcido, who can also deputise as a centre-back, came up against Liverpool on numerous occasions in the Champions League during both the 2006/07 and 2008/09 campaigns but is also the subject of interest from Valencia and Serie A runners-up AS Roma.
Wigan Athletic are also planning a bid should Hodgson reignite his interest in Figueroa and battle Premier League rivals Sunderland for the Honduran's signature with a bid of £7million.
bryanod
25-07-2010, 09:26 PM
Probably be happiest with him out of all we've been linked with considering prices etc.
Best of a mediocre bunch that is however.
ROCCO
26-07-2010, 07:30 AM
Carlos Salcido for £2m is a no brainer imo ....
Still would like a younger top class left back but Carlos Salcido for £2m imo would be a good addition even if we brought in another left back.
Gerry
28-07-2010, 01:41 PM
Heard Aurelio is back training at the club not sure if its correct though!
GaryMc
28-07-2010, 02:16 PM
Heard Aurelio is back training at the club not sure if its correct though!
Hopefully he comes back on appearance based contract. Very good player when fit.
Funny that when he left the club earlier in the summer, it was Roy and Fulham who were interested :cool:
KOPSTAR
28-07-2010, 03:06 PM
SO thats the mexicos name Salcido as i said back on the 19th and now hes been linked ,funny old game.
K1lladeer
28-07-2010, 04:02 PM
Would be great to have aurelio back..give him a 1 year contract with the option of another based on appearances.
dk.lfc
28-07-2010, 04:23 PM
Would be great to have aurelio back..give him a 1 year contract with the option of another based on appearances.
Would like to see this happen too but who knows how true this news is
campo
29-07-2010, 03:38 PM
Maynor Figueroa deal done according to a lot of people on twitter not exactly most reliable of sources but worth keeping a eye out for
Terry Conlon
29-07-2010, 07:08 PM
Maynor Figueroa deal done according to a lot of people on twitter not exactly most reliable of sources but worth keeping a eye out forWould be alot happier with that news than that waster Luke Young.
ROCCO
30-07-2010, 07:37 AM
Would be alot happier with that news than that waster Luke Young.
Id say Luke Young was to replace the outgoing Degen as right back up and back up for left back second.
The Pernicious One
30-07-2010, 08:52 AM
So twitter is now an accepted source??:rolleyes:
Gray72
25-08-2010, 07:18 AM
Konchesky rumour surfaced again this morning. This does not fill me with excitement but going on the woeful performance of Agger at left back the continued absence of Aurelio after he picked up a nice 2 year deal and the decline in quality of Insua anyone will do. the days of quality coming to anfield looked to have passed!
Skysports.com understands Liverpool are closing in on the signing of Fulham defender Paul Konchesky.
Reds bos Roy Hodgson has openly admitted bringing a new left-back is one of his top priorities this summer and it is believed he wants Konchesky to solve the problematic position.
Hodgson is a big admirer of Konchesy having worked with the 29-year-old for two-and-a-half-years prior to his switch to Anfield.
Liverpool are keen to bring in a new left-back before the close of the transfer window and had been linked with a move for PSV Eindhoven's Carlos Salicido.
However, it appears Liverpool have opted to go for Konchesky with the player having just a year to run on his contract at Fulham.
Konchesky's future at Fulham has been the subject of speculation all summer with Birmingham having seen one bid turned down eartlier this summer.
New Fulham boss Mark Hughes was keen to keep hold of the former Charlton man, but Konchesky is thought to have informed the Cottagers chief of his desire to be reunited with Hodgson at Anfield.
Liverpool are believed to be prepared to pay up to £3.5million to land Konchesky as Hodgson looks to finalise his rebuilding plans at the club.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6334464,00.html
RedRuairi
25-08-2010, 08:03 AM
Reds move for Konchesky
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6334464,00.html
Skysports.com understands Liverpool are closing in on the signing of Fulham defender Paul Konchesky.
Reds bos Roy Hodgson has openly admitted bringing a new left-back is one of his top priorities this summer and it is believed he wants Konchesky to solve the problematic position.
Hodgson is a big admirer of Konchesy having worked with the 29-year-old for two-and-a-half-years prior to his switch to Anfield.
Liverpool are keen to bring in a new left-back before the close of the transfer window and had been linked with a move for PSV Eindhoven'sCarlos Salicido.
However, it appears Liverpool have opted to go for Konchesky with the player having just a year to run on his contract at Fulham.
Konchesky's future at Fulham has been the subject of speculation all summer with Birmingham having seen one bid turned down eartlier this summer.
New Fulham boss Mark Hughes was keen to keep hold of the former Charlton man, but Konchesky is thought to have informed the Cottagers chief of his desire to be reunited with Hodgson at Anfield.
Liverpool are believed to be prepared to pay up to £3.5million to land Konchesky as Hodgson looks to finalise his rebuilding plans at the club.
babbsnads
25-08-2010, 08:07 AM
The way I look at it is Roy knows konchesky inside out so he must think he's better than what we have. It's not a signing that's going to excite people but an improvement on what we have is better than nothing. He's a solid left back and reasonably cheap. Sad state of affairs that this is where we are now but Roy is just trying to make the best of the situation. There's hardly any other options out there. That Mexican guy would be a gamble and we can't afford to take gambles at the moment.
kingofthekop
25-08-2010, 08:09 AM
The way I look at it is Roy knows konchesky inside out so he must think he's better than what we have. It's not a signing that's going to excite people but an improvement on what we have is better than nothing. He's a solid left back and reasonably cheap. Sad state of affairs that this is where we are now but Roy is just trying to make the best of the situation. There's hardly any other options out there. That Mexican guy would be a gamble and we can't afford to take gambles at the moment.
The mexican guy was the best LB in the world cup. If we got him for a reasonably good price id have him before Konchesky.
Both would be nice also ;)
We really need to get a solid left back in the door before the window closes. Id be happy if we got Konchesky on board given the current financial constraints. Last season a number goals against were as a result of Johnno or Insua getting caught upfield and out of position and leaving the 2 CB's exposed.To be defensively strong we need at least one of the full backs to be strong defensively ala Arbeloa and one attacking Johnno. From what I have seen I believe Salcido is excellent going forward but comes under pressure defensively and would be the risky option.
babbsnads
25-08-2010, 08:42 AM
The mexican guy was the best LB in the world cup. If we got him for a reasonably good price id have him before Konchesky.
Both would be nice also ;)
I would have said the portugese fella myself but saciedo was very impressive. The point I'm making is he has no premier league experience. I think he'd need time to settle and time is not something we have. Plus there's no gaurantee he'd ever settle. Konchesky is a proven premier league player and knows exactly how the manager wants him to play. It's just a safer option imo.
konchesky looked very good against the mancs the other day to
kingofthekop
25-08-2010, 11:21 AM
I would have said the portugese fella myself but saciedo was very impressive. The point I'm making is he has no premier league experience. I think he'd need time to settle and time is not something we have. Plus there's no gaurantee he'd ever settle. Konchesky is a proven premier league player and knows exactly how the manager wants him to play. It's just a safer option imo.
Agree Completely with your post. Just would likw a flair full back against the lesser teams and a solid one for the big game if ya catch my drift
Derekc
25-08-2010, 11:23 AM
would obviously prefer someone as bit better than konchesky but with money so tight i suppose thats the level of player we're going for now. prefer him to figeroa anywho.
Derekc
25-08-2010, 11:25 AM
Agree Completely with your post. Just would likw a flair full back against the lesser teams and a solid one for the big game if ya catch my drift
no harm in that, i think it's something we need.
kaka2001
25-08-2010, 12:40 PM
PSV have agreed a fee with a PL team for Salcido. I reckon it could be us or Fulham.
Fowler's God
25-08-2010, 01:33 PM
Hope to god it is us, cause he is a class.
Flemish Red
25-08-2010, 02:05 PM
PSV have agreed a fee with a PL team for Salcido. I reckon it could be us or Fulham.
Appears to be joining Fulham, for € 2 mio.
bryanod
25-08-2010, 02:47 PM
Fulham are genius, sell us that **** for 4million buy his better replacement for half the price.
Amazing.
up the pool
25-08-2010, 02:51 PM
salcido for 2mill fair play to em and we will end up with konchesky for double that christ we are some muppets:mad:
it will take salcido time to settle in and adjust to the prem konchesky is a proven prem player and a good full back that will go straight into the first team
bryanod
25-08-2010, 02:58 PM
it will take salcido time to settle in and adjust to the prem konchesky is a proven prem player and a good full back that will go straight into the first team
YOu forget that he is also 29, not very good and a ****.
Derekc
25-08-2010, 03:56 PM
salcido for 2mill fair play to em and we will end up with konchesky for double that christ we are some muppets:mad:
my thoughts exactly. I thought right fair enough we must be getting quoted stupid money for Salcido but if he goes for 2 and we pay four for konscheskey then i think thats bad business
kaka2001
25-08-2010, 05:01 PM
I wouldn’t get too worked up out this. Salcedo has the potential to be a much more exciting LB than Konchesky but he also has the potential to be a lot worse. Having an attacking LB is essential in the PL and no doubt Salcedo trumps Konchesky there. However, defensively a weak LB will be exploited (much like how Insua was destroyed week in week out last year). Positionaly, they have to stay concentrated for the whole game – especially when it comes to tracking wide players come in at the back post. This is where I think Salcedo could prove a real liability. Its only a could be. At the moment I am happy to take the player with the PL experience.
Carroll9
25-08-2010, 08:19 PM
Konchesky not in the Fulham squad tonight.It's more or less full strength.
Niall
25-08-2010, 08:53 PM
Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson has confirmed he has spoken to former club Fulham regarding a possible move for Paul Konchesky.
Skysports.com revealed earlier on Wednesday that Liverpool had lined up a deal for Konchesky as Hodgson seeks to bring in a new left-back.
Konchesky joined Fulham three years ago from West Ham United and was a regular during Hodgson's time at Craven Cottage.
A reunion with his old boss could now be on the cards after Hodgson acknowledged he has discussed a potential swoop for the 29-year-old.
However, the recently-appointed Reds boss is unsure whether the twice-capped England international will pitch up at Anfield.
"We had discussions with Fulham about whether they were prepared to sell any of their players and I would be lying if I said Paul was not a name we considered," said Hodgson on his arrival in Trabzon for their Europa League play-off second leg tie.
"Whether or not there is a chance of business is still very much up in the air."
bobby benitez
25-08-2010, 10:31 PM
Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson has confirmed he has spoken to former club Fulham regarding a possible move for Paul Konchesky.
Skysports.com revealed earlier on Wednesday that Liverpool had lined up a deal for Konchesky as Hodgson seeks to bring in a new left-back.
Konchesky joined Fulham three years ago from West Ham United and was a regular during Hodgson's time at Craven Cottage.
A reunion with his old boss could now be on the cards after Hodgson acknowledged he has discussed a potential swoop for the 29-year-old.
However, the recently-appointed Reds boss is unsure whether the twice-capped England international will pitch up at Anfield.
"We had discussions with Fulham about whether they were prepared to sell any of their players and I would be lying if I said Paul was not a name we considered," said Hodgson on his arrival in Trabzon for their Europa League play-off second leg tie.
"Whether or not there is a chance of business is still very much up in the air."
Any? When speaking about Barcelona you could use the word "any" of their players, when speaking about Fulham you dont..Chris Baird in to replace Monster Masch:eek:
Aido82
26-08-2010, 08:22 AM
Salcido gone to fulham.
Guess Konceshey is coming to us
Fowler's God
26-08-2010, 08:31 AM
Would have rather we signed Salcido being honest.
Derekc
26-08-2010, 10:37 AM
Any? When speaking about Barcelona you could use the word "any" of their players, when speaking about Fulham you dont..Chris Baird in to replace Monster Masch:eek:
ha ha my thoughts exactly.
Fowler-9-
26-08-2010, 12:21 PM
Atleast when Konchesky signs its one of the 3 position filled.
Reports that Salcido is in London to close the deal.
If that is true then it would seem certain that we are signing Konceshey.
I understand people problem about the fact the Fulham are signing a new leftback for 2mill and we are paying 4mill (reportedly) but the premierleague experience could be vital we havent got a season to let some one settle in.
We are ropey enough at the back as it is.
smiley1987
27-08-2010, 09:04 PM
I think Konchesky could be a good signing as i have always thought he was a decent enough player and the best thing is we will have a choice of 2 left backs at the club that will do a good job
Carroll9
27-08-2010, 09:15 PM
I think Konchesky could be a good signing as i have always thought he was a decent enough player and the best thing is we will have a choice of 2 left backs at the club that will do a good job
And to think a few weeks ago we had no left backs.Things are looking up.:rolleyes:
smiley1987
27-08-2010, 09:18 PM
And to think a few weeks ago we had no left backs.Things are looking up.:rolleyes:
Well we did have one but i don't think he was the bees kness at all lol
Bren100
27-08-2010, 10:17 PM
Konchesky = O.M.G !!!
Sky Sports Sources understand Fulham defender Paul Konchesky will undergo a medical at Liverpool this weekend.
Reds manager Roy Hodgson confirmed earlier this week he had spoken to his former club over a possible move for the left-back.
And 29-year-old Konchesky, a regular during Hodgson's time at Craven Cottage, now appears likely for a reunion with his former boss on Merseyside.
The stopper, a twice-capped England international, arrived at Fulham from West Ham three years ago.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6342686,00.html
Actually happy enough, Konchesky may not be the big name that we all are after, but he's a tried and tester Premiership performer, this signing actually reminds me so much of when we got Finnan, a lot of perfectly underwhelmed supporters.
Dossena was an Italian international, Insua an Argentinian, and we all know how they worked out. Time to steady the ship lads, batten down the hatches & make sure that you have players who you know will fight for the cause on cold January Saturday mornings.
Plus he can take a corner, take notes Stevie.
mascherIANO
28-08-2010, 01:03 AM
Plus he can take a corner, take notes Stevie.
give it over
give it over
Don't get your knickers in a twist sweetheart, suppose I forgot to add a :p
bobby benitez
28-08-2010, 08:59 AM
Actually happy enough, Konchesky may not be the big name that we all are after, but he's a tried and tester Premiership performer, this signing actually reminds me so much of when we got Finnan, a lot of perfectly underwhelmed supporters.
Dossena was an Italian international, Insua an Argentinian, and we all know how they worked out. Time to steady the ship lads, batten down the hatches & make sure that you have players who you know will fight for the cause on cold January Saturday mornings.
Plus he can take a corner, take notes Stevie.
Reminds me of when he signed Julian Dicks.
Derekc
28-08-2010, 10:07 AM
Reminds me of when he signed Julian Dicks.
ha ha nice
elvis
28-08-2010, 10:41 AM
What on earth is happening to Liverpool, Woy tries to get rid of Insua, that backfires, Rafa doenst offer Aurelio a contract, and then Woy decides, heres a 2 year deal after he was realeased, and then looks at Luke Young only for him to snub us,then brings in Poulsen to replace Masch, lets Masch go for peanuts, lets Aqua go on loan, last season he tried to sign LDV and now he's getting rid of him, then Paul Konchesky, the mind absolutely boggles,. Someone needs to tell Woy that we ARE Liverpool FC, and not some Sunday league team, that submits to player power and shows signs of weakness to 'bigger' clubs,. Sad times these are, and the signing of Joe Cole is just a smokescreen for all this,.
serpheus
28-08-2010, 10:47 AM
What on earth is happening to Liverpool, Woy tries to get rid of Insua, that backfires, Rafa doenst offer Aurelio a contract, and then Woy decides, heres a 2 year deal after he was realeased, and then looks at Luke Young only for him to snub us,then brings in Poulsen to replace Masch, lets Masch go for peanuts, lets Aqua go on loan, last season he tried to sign LDV and now he's getting rid of him, then Paul Konchesky, the mind absolutely boggles,. Someone needs to tell Woy that we ARE Liverpool FC, and not some Sunday league team, that submits to player power and shows signs of weakness to 'bigger' clubs,. Sad times these are, and the signing of Joe Cole is just a smokescreen for all this,.
Ye and Roy convinced stevie and nando to stay too, what an idiot.
elvis
28-08-2010, 10:49 AM
Ye and Roy convinced stevie and nando to stay too, what an idiot.
they would have stayed anyway,.
stevieg
28-08-2010, 10:58 AM
Well if we sign him at least it will be better than having to play Agger out of position. Again this is not a signing of the quality of player we should have at Liverpool but other circumstances force our hand somewhat.
serpheus
28-08-2010, 10:58 AM
they would have stayed anyway,.
Nando was on the way and only for Roy getting on a plane for something like 12 hours for a 5 minute chat he was gone. Stevie would have left if Rafa was still boss.
fermoyred80
28-08-2010, 11:00 AM
What on earth is happening to Liverpool, Woy tries to get rid of Insua, that backfires, Rafa doenst offer Aurelio a contract, and then Woy decides, heres a 2 year deal after he was realeased, and then looks at Luke Young only for him to snub us,then brings in Poulsen to replace Masch, lets Masch go for peanuts, lets Aqua go on loan, last season he tried to sign LDV and now he's getting rid of him, then Paul Konchesky, the mind absolutely boggles,. Someone needs to tell Woy that we ARE Liverpool FC, and not some Sunday league team, that submits to player power and shows signs of weakness to 'bigger' clubs,. Sad times these are, and the signing of Joe Cole is just a smokescreen for all this,.
Glad to see you havent lost your Rafa obsession :rolleyes:
elvis
28-08-2010, 11:10 AM
Glad to see you havent lost your Rafa obsession :rolleyes:
Ah sure i'll always have that ;)
Nando was on the way and only for Roy getting on a plane for something like 12 hours for a 5 minute chat he was gone. Stevie would have left if Rafa was still boss.
well as it stood, that would have been the situation anyway, and who's to say they would have left for definite? anyway this is a left back thread, so i'll end this here,.
Well if we sign him at least it will be better than having to play Agger out of position. Again this is not a signing of the quality of player we should have at Liverpool but other circumstances force our hand somewhat.
thats what i was trying to say, he'll do under the circumstances, but we really shouldnt even be talking about these type of players, but thats the sad situation we are in,.
serpheus
28-08-2010, 11:14 AM
Ah sure i'll always have that ;)
well as it stood, that would have been the situation anyway, and who's to say they would have left for definite? anyway this is a left back thread, so i'll end this here,.
thats what i was trying to say, he'll do under the circumstances, but we really shouldnt even be talking about these type of players, but thats the sad situation we are in,.
Thats down to 2 people and it ain't Roy or Rafa.
elvis
28-08-2010, 11:17 AM
Thats down to 2 people and it ain't Roy or Rafa.
I totally agree,. Thats the only problem I have at the moment is them 2 parasites,.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6343106,00.html
koncheskey having medical right now
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