Polish President killed in Plane Crash

[serpheus]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100410/twl-polish-president-killed-in-plane-cra-d9fddae.html

[vodkacolly]

Is the president a head of government like Obama or head of state like ours?

[Dub13]

Has conspiracy theory written all over it.

Polish President, most of the heads of the Armed Forces (army, navy, air force and special forces), head of their central bank.

All on the way to a Katyn Forest memorial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre)

Russians involved in the Kyrgyzstan uprising this week.

US distracted with Iraq/Afghanistan, the Health Bill, and now the retirement of a liberal Supreme Court judge.

[rev]

Has conspiracy theory written all over it.

Polish President, most of the heads of the Armed Forces (army, navy, air force and special forces), head of their central bank.

All on the way to a Katyn Forest memorial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre)

Russians involved in the Kyrgyzstan uprising this week.

US distracted with Iraq/Afghanistan, the Health Bill, and now the retirement of a liberal Supreme Court judge.

First thing that came to my mind too!!

[vodkacolly]

Has conspiracy theory written all over it.


I seriously doubt it.
Who would have the balls, the means, and the motive to bring down a plane with so many high ranking Polish officials?
Would they be trying to destabilise Poland or EU?
And who did they conspire with to cause the heavy rain and fog... mother nature or god?;)

[Juan]

Has conspiracy theory written all over it.

Polish President, most of the heads of the Armed Forces (army, navy, air force and special forces), head of their central bank.

All on the way to a Katyn Forest memorial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre)

Russians involved in the Kyrgyzstan uprising this week.

US distracted with Iraq/Afghanistan, the Health Bill, and now the retirement of a liberal Supreme Court judge.

I was wondering that myself,its strange, as they called an election straight away.
Might be nothing in it though.
we are a sceptical bunch on here!

[Dub13]

I seriously doubt it.
Who would have the balls, the means, and the motive to bring down a plane with so many high ranking Polish officials?
Would they be trying to destabilise Poland or EU?
And who did they conspire with to cause the heavy rain and fog... mother nature or god?;)


Whoever let common sense get in the way of a good conspiracy.....;)

Now back to what happned,Appartently the CIA are all over Poland, because of that missle thing.

If it is nefarious. History has thought us they are either behind it or definately knew about it.

[Garrett]

Whoever let common sense get in the way of a good conspiracy.....;)

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We need to get this back on track and quick, otherwise it'll never turn into a 100+ post thread ;) :D



Anyway, I reckon it's highly unusual for so many "VIPs" to be traveling on one aircraft, for the reason already implied here - security. Someone has to ensure that in such an event, people like the vice president, some of the other heads of function, military commanders etc are elsewhere otherwise the entire government is wiped out etc.

Whoever put them all on the same flight, must be in on this ....

Am I the only one who watches 24 these days ???? :D

[elvis]

Am I the only one who watches 24 these days ???? :D

On your own, on your own, on your own,. :D

Defo something fishy about that whole plane crash, as you said, they shouldn't have all been on the one plane in the first place,.

[john gotti]

Whatever about a conspiracy, most of my polish mates were over the moon about it! They absolutly hated him

[vodkacolly]

Whatever about a conspiracy, most of my polish mates were over the moon about it! They absolutly hated him

Most of mine didnt like him either but they definitely see it as a national tragedy loosing so many in a plane crash.

[CrazyHorse]

Whatever about a conspiracy, most of my polish mates were over the moon about it! They absolutly hated him

Was this the guy who on a visit/before a visit to Ireland made some crude homosexual remarks???

[rev]

Am I the only one who watches 24 these days ???? :D

Nope :D I'm addicted! Roll on 9pm :D

[Garrett]

nope :d i'm addicted! Roll on 9pm :d


lol :d :d :d

[vodkacolly]

Well, I was one of the first to dismiss the conspiracy theories but Ive since been informed of some dubious events :)

This video was filmed by a local Russian who was walking through the forest with a friend. It was too soon after the crash for emergency services to have been there and there was supposedly no survivors from the crash.... so there should have been nobody else around. But apparently, this video shows possible survivors and the sounds of possible Russian military and also gunshots. It seems there were gunmen in place on the ground ready to kill any survivors, obviously suggesting the crash was no accident.

The Polish president was anti-EU and didnt want to introduce the Euro in his country.... so the French, Germans, and a long list of others didnt want him in power. His successor is much more willing to conform to what the big EU powers want.

Of course, Russians say this video is a hoax... but apparently it was uploaded onto Youtube straight away after the crash... too soon to be created and manipulated. It was promptly taken down but other users had already copied it so they again uploaded it. Many of these users had the video deleted and accounts removed etc.
As for the guy who filmed it.... he was stabbed a few days later in a seemingly random attack... and then his life support was turned off by 'unknown intruders'.

Conspiracy or hoax?

FEx7HL4H5yk

[Bren100]

Well, I was one of the first to dismiss the conspiracy theories but Ive since been informed of some dubious events :)

This video was filmed by a local Russian who was walking through the forest with a friend. It was too soon after the crash for emergency services to have been there and there was supposedly no survivors from the crash.... so there should have been nobody else around. But apparently, this video shows possible survivors and the sounds of possible Russian military and also gunshots. It seems there were gunmen in place on the ground ready to kill any survivors, obviously suggesting the crash was no accident.

The Polish president was anti-EU and didnt want to introduce the Euro in his country.... so the French, Germans, and a long list of others didnt want him in power. His successor is much more willing to conform to what the big EU powers want.

Of course, Russians say this video is a hoax... but apparently it was uploaded onto Youtube straight away after the crash... too soon to be created and manipulated. It was promptly taken down but other users had already copied it so they again uploaded it. Many of these users had the video deleted and accounts removed etc.
As for the guy who filmed it.... he was stabbed a few days later in a seemingly random attack... and then his life support was turned off by 'unknown intruders'.

Conspiracy or hoax?

FEx7HL4H5yk

Great debate, I'd imagine if the Russians were planning this, there is no way he would have been that close with a camera and not be seen.

[vodkacolly]

Great debate, I'd imagine if the Russians were planning this, there is no way he would have been that close with a camera and not be seen.

The arguement is...
They couldnt prevent people from entering the forest before the crash happened... all they could do was wait near where they thought the plane would hit. Once it crashed, they approached it from one side (opposite side to the civilians) and were kept busy making sure survivors didnt escape. The guy who filmed this on his phone, was on his way to work in a local factory and left the scene as soon as he knew something wasnt right. The video is only about 80 seconds long so he wasnt on the scene for long.

Im gonna sit on the fence on this one for the moment :)

[Juan]

Remember watching a dutch documentary about this last year.
if i can find it, ill stick it up.

[up the pool]

bulls**t id say wouldnt the post mortems show people died by gunshot and why would the russians kill them why would they care if they were in the eu or not

[vodkacolly]

bulls**t id say wouldnt the post mortems show people died by gunshot and why would the russians kill them why would they care if they were in the eu or not

No post mortems. The plane crashed on Russian soil... the Russians carried out the investigation... they claimed everyone died in the crash.
A massive amount of Russian exports are transported through Poland including gas/oil... maybe the Euro superpowers convinced Russia it was in their best interests to keep Poland 'onside'.?

[this]

bulls**t id say wouldnt the post mortems show people died by gunshot and why would the russians kill them why would they care if they were in the eu or not

Money, plain & simple.

The Polish president (& many opposing politicians who were on-board the flight) was against a deal the Prime Minister Tusk was about to sign with the Russians worth 100 billion dollars, which meant the Polish would be 100% dependent on Russian oil until 2037, even though gas deposits had been found in Poland earlier the same year which would satisfy their demands for the next 200 years. Strange? Noooooooooo.

The deal had previously been put on hold because the opposition politicians threatened legal action after allegations of bribery on the part of the Russian oil companies. Many of the same politicians died in the plane 'crash'.

Oil companies are a world onto themselves, having seen what they are capable first hand, 100 billion dollars is enough reason to do anything they want, and get away with it.

Anyone who sees the words 'Russian 100 billion dollar oil contract' and doesn't smell a rat somewhere along the line needs to take a look at themselves.

[Bren100]

The arguement is...
They couldnt prevent people from entering the forest before the crash happened... all they could do was wait near where they thought the plane would hit. Once it crashed, they approached it from one side (opposite side to the civilians) and were kept busy making sure survivors didnt escape. The guy who filmed this on his phone, was on his way to work in a local factory and left the scene as soon as he knew something wasnt right. The video is only about 80 seconds long so he wasnt on the scene for long.

Im gonna sit on the fence on this one for the moment :)

Point taken. But the people recording were in clear view!? It's not like the guy (and the other person a few feet from him) could not have been seen by a supposed Russian soldiers carrying out an assination and cover up?

My opinion on what I saw on the link is, if it's a hoax, it's a damn good one but there are too many flaws in there. I'd like to see an Englidh dubbed version too

[vodkacolly]

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[MrsPepe]

Thats crazy

[elvis]

Defo more to this now with the fella shooting himself mid press conference.
Russkies are upto something