Babel for Jones

[merc]

There is an article in today english times that is highlighed on the LFC.tv media watch page. It claims that Rafa is workign on a swap deal with Sunderland that will see them take Ryan Babel and Liverpool take Kenwyne Jones.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/rafa-keen-to-swap-babel-for-jones

Not sure how good a move that would be although his goal tally is not bad at all.
But surely there is a reason Bruce is willing to let him go in a deal that will not see Sunderland get any kind of cash injection.

[Bren100]

I was wondering when the Kenwyne Jones rumour would come back around.

[bobby benitez]

There is an article in today english times that is highlighed on the LFC.tv media watch page. It claims that Rafa is workign on a swap deal with Sunderland that will see them take Ryan Babel and Liverpool take Kenwyne Jones.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/rafa-keen-to-swap-babel-for-jones

Not sure how good a move that would be although his goal tally is not bad at all.
But surely there is a reason Bruce is willing to let him go in a deal that will not see Sunderland get any kind of cash injection.

Could there also be a reason why we are letting Babel go without any kind of cash injection?

[mascherIANO]

Jones and Torres could be a could partnership. Jones reminds a bit of Heskey but younger.

[TubbyReina]

i know jones has a bit of on the floor skill,but dyou think this will encourage 'The Hoof' a bit more

[Martin88]

But surely there is a reason Bruce is willing to let him go in a deal that will not see Sunderland get any kind of cash injection.

The issue seems to be consistency. This appeared in the Guardian last Monday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/11/kenwyne-jones-steve-bruce-sunderland
Sunderland's manager admits he has found working with the talented but laid-back striker a frustrating experience. Signed by Roy Keane from Southampton for £6m Jones was once described as "the most difficult" Premier League forward to mark by Chelsea's John Terry but has proved inconsistent this season.

"On his day I think you can look at Kenwyne and say he's worth £40m, then on another day you'll think, 'Come on you'," Bruce said. "That's Kenwyne. We've got to get him to a level where with his ability, he could play in any team. The thing with Kenwyne is for him to grasp the nettle.

"To be a Chelsea player, or a Man United player, or a Liverpool player, what makes them stand out is they can perform at a level week in, week out. It's a level a lot of players find difficult to get to. They're the demands of a huge club and we've got to try and get Kenwyne like that, because when he is playing at his best, he is a fantastic footballer.

"He tests you. He tests your skills as a manager. He's a big, genuine, nice lad, an easy-going, gentle boy. We know what it is – the challenge is to get the best out of him. The ability is there."

A swap deal could be a very good idea. Babel's unsettled and I rate Jones as the better player. He's good in the air, awkward to defend against, 7 years younger than Heskey and alot more prolific. His goal per game ratio isn't bad. 6 in 16 this season and 23 in 78 overall for Sunderland. It's all the more impressive as Sunderland were relegation scrappers last season and aren't doing much better this year. At Liverpool he'd also have the benefit of better service from the midfield.

I think he's exactly the type of striker we need to give the attack a bit more variety and options.

[Gray72]

You have got to be joking!!! Jones is no more consistent than Babel and his goalscoring record is poor. I suppose that makes him right up Rafa's street. It is bad news when you can't afford Carlton Cole and Kenwyne Jones.

However I'd do anything to get rid of the disrespectful Babel. Apparently he is a religious fellow well were are his christian beliefs?

[Fowler's God]

Too many question about Jones! Radio City said it was 'pretty much done'. And that was with Tony Barrett sitting next to them. So v. likely.

RobboHuyton of Well Red blog on Twitter...

[Martin88]

You have got to be joking!!! Jones is no more consistent than Babel and his goalscoring record is poor. I suppose that makes him right up Rafa's street. It is bad news when you can't afford Carlton Cole and Kenwyne Jones.

However I'd do anything to get rid of the disrespectful Babel. Apparently he is a religious fellow well were are his christian beliefs?

I'm not joking :) Don't get me wrong I don't rate Jones as a world class player but a straight swap could be a shrewd move. It obviously wouldn't capture the imagination of fans (like Villa, Aguero or Tevez type players) but his record is still far better than Babel's. Babel: 9 goals in 67 appearances (Liverpool) vs Jones 6 goals in 16 appearances this season alone(Sunderland).

I know Babel doesn't get much of a run up front but Jones is playing in a team that uses two defensive minded midfielders, fullbacks who aren't strong going forward and very average wingers. To say Sunderland lack creativity would be a massive understatement so 6 in 16 is certainly not poor. A team of Liverpool's calibre would instantly create more chances for Jones (although his game isn't so much based on goals but rather his overall contribution like Heskey). He's also a very different type of forward to anyone we've currently got. I also think his consistency isn't being helped by Sunderland's poor run of form and injuries to key players.

Can he make the step up to a top club like Liverpool? I don't know to be perfectly honest. He's a very good player although parts of his game need to be polished a little more. But he does have top flight experience, may be available, could replace an unsettled player and on our tight budget we could do alot worse.

[barnestormer]

it makes sence to me...

[twixfix]

Could make a contribution on set plays too. Would like to see it happen as dont see rafa ever trusting babel to lead the line.

[mushypea]

Could make a contribution on set plays too. Would like to see it happen as dont see rafa ever trusting babel to lead the line.

Ive seen enough from Jones to trust him more than i would babel. I cant see this coming of anything though. It would be much more of a gamble for Bruce than it would for us.

Its not like we're losing a first team player here anyway & ive stopped waiting on Babel to come good a long time ago.

[GaryMc]

I know Babel doesn't get much of a run up front but Jones is playing in a team that uses two defensive minded midfielders, fullbacks who aren't strong going forward and very average wingers. To say Sunderland lack creativity would be a massive understatement so 6 in 16 is certainly not poor. A team of Liverpool's calibre would instantly create more chances for Jones (although his game isn't so much based on goals but rather his overall contribution like Heskey). He's also a very different type of forward to anyone we've currently got. I also think his consistency isn't being helped by Sunderland's poor run of form and injuries to key players.



more chances? How many chances hav been in last four matches. I would say no more than two a match. If hoofing the ball out defence every time is tactic for the rest of the season is the tactic then no matter man than Jones.

[bryanod]

this makes me :(

[trucker]

i'd take jones as he think he could be a very good player while babel is just a prick that should'nt be near the club, the thing is if we do this deal and as seems likely were gona get this chamakh lad in the summer, we're gona be top heavy on strikers if we still have Torres

[kingofthekop]

i'd take jones as he think he could be a very good player while babel is just a prick that should'nt be near the club, the thing is if we do this deal and as seems likely were gona get this chamakh lad in the summer, we're gona be top heavy on strikers if we still have Torres

Id rather have a surplus trucker

Did Jones start for the cats today??

[irishman123]

always liked jones he plays with heart something babel hasnt got

[Martin88]

more chances? How many chances hav been in last four matches. I would say no more than two a match. If hoofing the ball out defence every time is tactic for the rest of the season is the tactic then no matter man than Jones.

I agree. There haven't been many chances but by the same token we're pretty much the same side that challenged for the title only last season. I think that Jones offers more than just a hoof-ball game plan (at least no more than we currently play). Sunderland aren't a free-flowing passing team and at times they do restrict themselves to just long balls up to Jones. Heskey and Drogba (similar heights and builds to Jones) are in teams more on par with Liverpool (quality wise) and they certainly don't restrict their respective teams to just hoof-ball.

Jones won't fix all the problems, not by a long shot but if the opportunity presented itself I'd rather have him as an option than a fringe player who sees passive aggression on Twitter as the best response to his manager.

[1_mossy_1]

Id ask 4 bent first to be fair..

[Martin88]

Id ask 4 bent first to be fair..

Definitely. He's been a goal machine for Sunderland all season and near the top of the league goal scorer charts. I think they paid £10m with add ons that could rise to over £16m. His value must be even higher now but with a Billionaire owner there's no need to sell.

[stevieg]

Would take Jones too in a swap deal, basically swapping a waste of space for a player.
He would do a better job than Kuyt & Ngog and I have seen him a couple of times and teams have really struggled to deal with him. We need a striker anyway ideally would want a world class striker but he is the best we can hope for at the moment and in this window.

However if Babel was to be swapped a better swap could be for Arda Turan if rumours are to be believed.

[Badman]

the unfrtuante thing about signing is it would just encourage more hoofing of the ball 80yards down the park, with carra the most likely culprit..jone ok but not worth the money being touted for him...ditto for carlton cole

[megager]

I was hoping wed swap Babel for Turan, Get Chamak in summer and then wed be great attacking. Doesnt solve things this year, but looking ot teh future and all that. Jones doesnt excite me I have to admit, but if he comes, hell work his socks off, no doubt about that. We need a bit of a lift now, it maybe a good move for all parties.

[Redrob09]

Right now I would take Vinnie Jones for Babel;)

[IDon'tKnow]

Could just see it this time next season. Why did we sign Jones, He does not score enough goals give nothing to the team.

But if we signed him and he could head the ball out of our box when we are defending them he would be a good player for us.

[7Cannibal-9Asbo]

I think he'll be a good option, it'll be handy to be able to try something different when we cant break down a team.

[crumlin red]

I think he would be a decent signing he's a big lad that can hold the ball up well and he plays in the premiership so it wouldnt take him a couple of months to settle in he would be also handy for set pieces against us.

so yeah swap him for babel

[T.N.F]

I think he's decent and I'd prefer him to Heskey for that role, but I think it would end up the same situation as Crouch in that he won't get enough games and won't be happy with that

[SHOWTIME]

Don't rate Jones.Much rather take Bent.

[TrueRed92]

he soesn't score enough goals 4 me.. i cant see why rafa cant jus give babel a run in the team up front and see how he gets on...

[LOIREDSFAN]

To think our attacking options could have been
Heskey
Torres
Bellamy
Crouch
Keane
Owen
Kuyt

[travis]

To think our attacking options could have been
Heskey
Torres
Bellamy
Crouch
Keane
Owen
Kuyt

Heskey Had his chance already

Bellamy Had to be sold to buy Torres
Crouch Loves Engerland too much to play understudy to Nando
Keane Shite
Owen Stay close to your horse stables

[4tothefloor]

My mate just forwarded me a text from a girl he knows working at the club. Apparently Kenwyne Jones is due for a medical tomorrow and we're getting him on loan. Hope it's true, badly needed.

[kingofthekop]

My mate just forwarded me a text from a girl he knows working at the club. Apparently Kenwyne Jones is due for a medical tomorrow and we're getting him on loan. Hope it's true, badly needed.

ill believe it when i see it:rolleyes:

[Niall]

Todays Echo.


LIVERPOOL were today closing in on a deal to bring Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones to Anfield on loan until the end of the season.

Reds boss Rafa Benitez has been determined to add a physical presence to his forward line and has been scouring the market for options.

With Fernando Torres facing six weeks out after undergoing successful knee surgery in Barcelona on Saturday, Benitez wants to move quickly and is hoping that a deal will be wrapped up within the next 24 hours.

Talks have been on going with Sunderland over the weekend and Liverpool are keeping their fingers crossed that there will be no late glitches to scupper the move for a player, who has scored six times for the Black Cats in the Premier League this season.

Benitez, typically, is keeping his cards close to his chest and all he would say today when asked about Liverpool’s pursuit of Jones is that the club “are working hard and looking for different options.”

It is understood, though, that Jones is Liverpool’s number one target and the odds are increasing that he will arrive on Merseyside in the near future.

Jones’ future has been the subject of much speculation during the transfer window and only last week, Sunderland boss Steve Bruce declared that any club wishing to sign the Trinidad & Tobago international could start the bidding “at £40m”.

The 25-year-old’s stock has grown considerably during his time on Wearside and he has scored 25 times in 85 appearances since joining Sunderland for £6m in 2007 from Southampton.

There had been talk over the weekend that Jones would move to Anfield with Ryan Babel going in the opposite direction but that is not the case.

Babel has been fined two weeks’ wages for revealing on the social networking website ‘Twitter’ that he had been axed from the squad that faced Stoke on Saturday and was involved in a heated row with Benitez at the club’s Melwood training ground yesterday.

Benitez, not surprisingly, was furious that Babel had gone public on a private matter 24 hours before an important game and hauled Babel into his office before the squad had a warm down to demand an explanation.

The Holland international was subsequently told to concentrate on playing well enough for the first team, rather than worrying about a move away, but he stormed home in a fit of pique.

He returned half an hour later after receiving a phone call from a club official but it will be a huge surprise if he does enough in the next two days to warrant a recall to the squad that will face a crucial test against Tottenham at Anfield on Wednesday night.

A move away from Anfield before the window shuts now looks inevitable and both Besiktas and Galatasary have been linked with Babel, as Liverpool look to cut their losses.

[Skintown Red]

What would Sunderland get out of these deal?

Hopefully it come off though as we really have nothing to lose if its a loan deal

[Venom1983]

Its been played down alot in the media now, a loan deal would have been perfect in my opinion

[Bren100]

Heskey Had his chance already

Bellamy Had to be sold to buy Torres
Crouch Loves Engerland too much to play understudy to Nando
Keane Shite
Owen Stay close to your horse stables

I never thought Keane would make it as a top Liverpool player personally, however he is not shite. Robbie Keane has one of the best records in the premiership of all strikers.



On SSN Transfer watch
8.44 Sunderland boss Steve Bruce insists he has no intention of sanctioning a swap deal involving Kenwyne Jones and Liverpool winger Ryan Babel.

[KOPSTAR]

Good move, if we get best from him or even close ,will give defender a lot of trouble.and he be for it

[bobby benitez]

I'd be surprised if Fat Head lent us anything other than a virus. Unless Jones is shagging his wife I cant see this happening.

[edcarroll02]

What would sunderland possibly have to gain from a loan move like that? Doesn't seem to add up at all

[T.N.F]

What would sunderland possibly have to gain from a loan move like that? Doesn't seem to add up at all

I'd be laughing it off if it hadnt been reported in the Echo

[ROCCO]

What would sunderland possibly have to gain from a loan move like that? Doesn't seem to add up at all

id say we made the first approach to Jones and have wetted his appetite with possible champions league next season and Europa this season { is that possible? }
And Jones is pushing for the move and will Fat head want a disruptive player who may sulk and moan in the dressing room ?


or


Fat head was told by whiskey nose not to let him leave if going to Liverpool ...

[Bren100]

I can assure you, Im not Babels biggest fan but in a way (not wanting to start bashing Rafa on this thread either) a different manager could possibly get more out of Babel.

[Bren100]

Fat head was told by whiskey nose not to let him leave if going to Liverpool ...

Doubt Slur has that sort of influence over Sunderland. Id say the chairman along with the CFO makes those decision based on what best financially.

[ROCCO]

Doubt Slur has that sort of influence over Sunderland. Id say the chairman along with the CFO makes those decision based on what best financially.

:D

[jdmowen]

according to darren farleys facebook jones deal is a done deal

[Skintown Red]

according to darren farleys facebook jones deal is a done deal

Who is Darren Farley?:confused: and how would he know?

[jdmowen]

Who is Darren Farley?:confused: and how would he know?

u know the fella that does the impressions of rafa stevie carra etc...

i dunno how he would know...maybe he knows someone at the club

[fermoyred80]

u know the fella that does the impressions of rafa stevie carra etc...

i dunno how he would know...maybe he knows someone at the club

I wont be running out to get his name on the jersey just yet so

[Captain_Morgan]

according to darren farleys facebook jones deal is a done deal

Ah here look darren farley has anyone and everyone added on facebook and just coz he is from liverpool doesnt mean he is in the know.

[1_mossy_1]

according to darren farleys facebook jones deal is a done deal

darren farley facebook.. good source i say

[jdmowen]

darren farley facebook.. good source i say

i only said

[trucker]

darren farley facebook.. good source i say

:D

[4tothefloor]

Jones is pushing for the move but Sunderland will only do a permanent deal. We can't afford it. Babel fcuked up the swap deal by refusing to move the other way, which was then followed by Bruce and Sunderland dismissing it.

[ROCCO]

Birmingham to make third bid for Babel - Exclusive

Birmingham boss Alex McLeish has gone back with a THIRD offer for Liverpool outcast Ryan Babel.

McLeish is desperate to fend off interest from Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp and land the Dutch forward.

And that deal will in turn help fund Liverpool’s £14million move for Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones.

Babel, 23, is being bombed out of Liverpool after falling out with Kop boss Rafa Benitez and Birmingham have had two approaches rejected, including a second bid worth £10m. But McLeish has gone back with an improved package of personal terms worth an extra £10,000-a-week - and a guarantee that he will be played as a
centre-forward.

Babel is desperate to get regular games in the Premier League to safeguard his place in the Dutch World Cup squad and was worried a move to Birmingham would not help his career if he was being played out of position.

Redknapp would love to sign Babel but could not guarantee him regular games as Tottenham have a wealth of strikers, including Jermain Defoe, Robbie Keane, Peter Crouch and wantaway Roman Pavlyuchenko.

That has left the way clear for Birmingham. Ambitious McLeish has money to spend and is desperately trying to convince Babel to move to St Andrews.

Beskitas and Galatasaray are also interested, but Sunderland boss Steve Bruce is not interested in a player-plus-cash deal involving Jones and Babel.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Birmingham-to-make-third-bid-for-Liverpool-outcast-Ryan-Babel-in-bid-to-beat-Tottenham-in-race-to-sign-the-Dutchman-article292573.html

[ROCCO]

Liverpool FC told Kenwyne Jones has a £10m price tag
Jan 19 2010 by Ian Doyle, Daily Post

LIVERPOOL have been told they must splash out at least 10m to sign Kenwyne Jones – as Galatasaray prepared to end Ryan Babel’s increasingly controversial Anfield career.
.

But Sunderland have decided that any temporary move would not be in their best interests, and slapped a £10m price tag on the 25-year-old.


A bid for Jones could be funded by the sale of Babel, who may have played his last game for Liverpool with Galatasaray ready to offer the Holland international an escape route from Anfield.


While it has been accepted as a misunderstanding the latest fall-out has prompted a fresh approach from Galatasaray, who are among a clutch of clubs to have been alerted in recent times by Babel’s problems at Liverpool


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/01/19/liverpool-fc-told-kenwyne-jones-has-a-10m-price-tag-55578-25630042/

[Deigo008]

10M for Jones....no chance! Over priced big time.

[Kop On]

10M for Jones....no chance! Over priced big time.

How much do you think we're gonna get him for so?

Babel leaving for £10M now that's way overpriced!

[Niall]

LIVERPOOL’S hopes of signing Kenwyne Jones were effectively dead today after Sunderland refused any attempt to do business.

As was reported in later editions of last night’s ECHO, the Reds spent the weekend trying to thrash out a deal to bring the Trinidad & Tobago international to Anfield on loan until the end of the season and were hopeful of doing so.

With Fernando Torres facing a spell on the sidelines due to a knee injury, boss Rafa Benitez wanted to bring Jones to Anfield to give his strike force a physical presence and increase competition for places.

Yet despite the player wanting to switch Wearside for Merseyside, Sunderland would not entertain any thoughts of a loan and insisted the only way the Jones would leave the Stadium of Light during this window was in a cash deal.

The Reds, of course, are not flush with cash at present and had no intentions of meeting Sunderland’s asking price of well in excess of £10m for Jones, who has scored 25 times in 85 appearances for the Black Cats.

Benitez, who is also in the race to sign Bordeaux striker Marouane Chamakh, is unlikely to give up his search to bring another forward in before the window closes and has vowed to keep “working hard” to find the right man.

“We will see if we can do something more in this window,” he added. “If we cannot we will stick together for the next challenge. We have a good team, a good squad and are not as bad as people think.”

[jordo333]

darren farley facebook.. good source i say

I think Darren Farley works in Anfield so he may know something

[merc]

There was a report on BBC radio1 this morning that Rafa has stated he will not be bringing in any more new players in the transfer window.
Not sure if he issued a statement but they quoted him as saying as much.
He is reported to have said that the squad is stronger then people think.

We could realy do with another striker, but it doesnt look like we are going to get one.

[ROCCO]

Birmingham to make third bid for Babel - Exclusive

Birmingham boss Alex McLeish has gone back with a THIRD offer for Liverpool outcast Ryan Babel.

McLeish is desperate to fend off interest from Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp and land the Dutch forward.

And that deal will in turn help fund Liverpool’s £14million move for Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones.

Babel, 23, is being bombed out of Liverpool after falling out with Kop boss Rafa Benitez and Birmingham have had two approaches rejected, including a second bid worth £10m. But McLeish has gone back with an improved package of personal terms worth an extra £10,000-a-week - and a guarantee that he will be played as a
centre-forward.

Babel is desperate to get regular games in the Premier League to safeguard his place in the Dutch World Cup squad and was worried a move to Birmingham would not help his career if he was being played out of position.

Redknapp would love to sign Babel but could not guarantee him regular games as Tottenham have a wealth of strikers, including Jermain Defoe, Robbie Keane, Peter Crouch and wantaway Roman Pavlyuchenko.

That has left the way clear for Birmingham. Ambitious McLeish has money to spend and is desperately trying to convince Babel to move to St Andrews.

Beskitas and Galatasaray are also interested, but Sunderland boss Steve Bruce is not interested in a player-plus-cash deal involving Jones and Babel.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Birmingham-to-make-third-bid-for-Liverpool-outcast-Ryan-Babel-in-bid-to-beat-Tottenham-in-race-to-sign-the-Dutchman-article292573.html

Just seen ...

Usually, things from the mediawatch do not make it onto the Latest News section of the official site, but the Mirror article is right there. I wonder if there might actually be a little bit of substance from this one?

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/birmingham-to-make-third-babel-bid


and since the article has been removed from Latest New's Section and removed from the Home page ;)

[graham]

I don't know if its just me but I can't see the fuss over Jones. He's not Liverpool standard for me. If he's the best available loan signing then go for it. But it's looking more likely that Babel is on his way with a Brum apparently upped their bid. If Rafa's allowed used the money to buy a new striker then I wouldn't touch Jones with a barge pole. Also, Huntelaar has apparently made noises that he wants to go out on loan for 6 months to get a spot in the dutch world cup squad. That would be more along the lines of a Liverpool standard striker who I think could partner Torres. If Rafa switches to 2 strikers that is

[GDLUCKXABI]

No Jones isnt Liverpool standard but he is a better option than Ngog.

[Bren100]

I don't know if its just me but I can't see the fuss over Jones. He's not Liverpool standard for me. If he's the best available loan signing then go for it.

No Jones isnt Liverpool standard but he is a better option than Ngog.

Agreed.

[dantheman23]

some of the online rags quoting 12-14 million for jones, please tell me this is a wind up.:confused:
wouldn't a loan move for van horsebox be a better option? jones isn't worth 4 million, nevermind 14.

[ROCCO]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/19/sunderland-put-block-on-liverpool-fc-s-move-for-kenwyne-jones-100252-25630399/


LIVERPOOL’S hopes of signing Kenwyne Jones were effectively dead today after Sunderland refused any attempt to do business.

[gowinit6times]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/19/sunderland-put-block-on-liverpool-fc-s-move-for-kenwyne-jones-100252-25630399/


LIVERPOOL’S hopes of signing Kenwyne Jones were effectively dead today after Sunderland refused any attempt to do business.

I hope this is the end of this potential deal. Not good enough for Liverpool anyway.

[graham]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/19/sunderland-put-block-on-liverpool-fc-s-move-for-kenwyne-jones-100252-25630399/


LIVERPOOL’S hopes of signing Kenwyne Jones were effectively dead today after Sunderland refused any attempt to do business.

Hopefully that puts it to bed and we move on to try for someone else. I don't like the idea of Jones at Liverpool to be honest

[T.N.F]

I hope this is the end of this potential deal. Not good enough for Liverpool anyway.

Everyone was sayin the same about Crouch before we signed him

[MR KING KENNY]

sell babel off asap to birmingham, he's a waste of space and for get jones, he's just like a younger heskey, why are we not looking at joe cole we could get him for 5 to 8 million as his contract is up in may....besides cole there has to be better options out there than jones.........rud.......bent......would be a better option, but at the end of the day if we off load babel and get 10 million for him it would be super bis by rafa, that lad is upsetting our club

[1_mossy_1]

Llorente from athletic bilbao would be a better option..young. strong, fast, skillful and a good finisher.. if anyone was watching the madrid game at the weekend would of seen how decent of a player he is.. The only problem you would have give him time to settle..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPJgnH7cPqw

[Badman]

i think jones would be a good signing...IF we played with orthodox wingers who get a continuous supply of crosses into the box...which we dont. its a long time since we say a winger huggin the touchline at anfield...riera continuously comes infield (whether thts himself or rafa telling him to tuck in to compact the midfield i dunno), ditto for kuyt...i fear maxi will end up the same. ive seen jones a good few times - he's something different ot wht we have and he has on occasion bullied and battered some tough defenders, even at old toilet earlier this season. he could improve at liverpool ala crouchie...and he's actually much better in the air and more mobile than crouchie 2. but i fear that his signing would just encourage more hoofing than we already see from our defenders, which is a sign of a totally nonfunctioning midfield which neither the defence nor the management trust with the ball. if used correctly a player like jones could be an asset...and lets face it we're not financially capable of bringing in a david villa or etoo etc at the moment

[graham]

sell babel off asap to birmingham, he's a waste of space and for get jones, he's just like a younger heskey, why are we not looking at joe cole we could get him for 5 to 8 million as his contract is up in may....besides cole there has to be better options out there than jones.........rud.......bent......would be a better option, but at the end of the day if we off load babel and get 10 million for him it would be super bis by rafa, that lad is upsetting our club

I dont think he'd be a waste of space if we played him on the left of a 4-3-3 like he played at Ajax. I think our squad is crying out to play 4-3-3.

Anyway back on topic. I think this is the guy we need on loan. As I said before, Huntelaar.
Apologies for the lousy football 365 link but the source is from abroad (Telegraf)

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5870476,00.html

[T.N.F]

I dont think he'd be a waste of space if we played him on the left of a 4-3-3 like he played at Ajax. I think our squad is crying out to play 4-3-3.

Anyway back on topic. I think this is the guy we need on loan. As I said before, Huntelaar.
Apologies for the lousy football 365 link but the source is from abroad (Telegraf)

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5870476,00.html

Would it not worry you that he couldn't get into a poor Madrid side and he can't get into the Milan side now?

I remember him when Holland bet Ireland 4 nil at lansdowne, he was unbelievably good

[graham]

Would it not worry you that he couldn't get into a poor Madrid side and he can't get into the Milan side now?

I remember him when Holland bet Ireland 4 nil at lansdowne, he was unbelievably good

Not really mate. We're looking at loan options and he's possibly making himself available on loan. Madrid is a very politically run club and I think all the dutch players pretty much fell out of favour. Not for their football capabilities. Considering they couldn't wait to see the back of Sneijder who I think is a top top player. He's facing stiff competition at Milan with Pato and Ronaldinho. I was surprised when he joined Milan to be honest

[T.N.F]

Not really mate. We're looking at loan options and he's possibly making himself available on loan. Madrid is a very politically run club and I think all the dutch players pretty much fell out of favour. Not for their football capabilities. Considering they couldn't wait to see the back of Sneijder who I think is a top top player. He's facing stiff competition at Milan with Pato and Ronaldinho. I was surprised when he joined Milan to be honest

Get him in so!

[GDLUCKXABI]

People saying get RVN as he is a goal scorer and JOnes is not etc. Have they not been watching our games, Rafa doesnt want a striker who does little but score, he wants someone who works the defenders and works right across the line adn causes problems.

RVN scores and finisshes chances, but thats not what rafa wants in his strikers, first and foremost they must work tog et the ball and provide a lot of movement. Lets call a spade a spade here, a lot of our football v stoke and in other games lately has been long ball style, maybe not long ball but very direct up to the front man as quick as possible and holds it up or makes something of it, RVN couldnt do that. Jones could. I aint saying he is worth 14m or anything like that but i can see whyrafa would want him, he is the exact typpe of striker that would appeal to rafa and his system!

[Badman]

dont c huntelaar coming to be honst - i'd say his wages at madrid and now at milan are monstrous. i have always rated him - saw him a few times when he was playing for holland and fir ayax i think and i felt he was destined for big things. the guy can finish though thats 4 sure and i think in the right team setting he would flourish, but i'm not sure he's 4 us tbh. as GDLUCKXABI said, Jones is the quintessential Rafa striker...works hard, gets in defenders faces and suited to playing up top alone. we've been linked with so many now - Jones, jovanovic, heskey, RVN, zigic etc and i could still see us ending up with nobody

[Ron1892]

I really dont think Jones is the man for us..And ive a few reasons...Torres is out for 6 weeks and i think it will be longer..We need some one who is going to bang goals in, in his absesnce, a good example would be Darren Bent,scoring goals every week.(I no we arent going to sign him and dont have the money too,just using him as a example).Jones DOES not do this..He is more of a Heskey,Carew,Crouch type of a player who holds the ball up well and plays it on to Bent or say Torres.He is not going to replace the goals we are losing out on due to Torres injury.He's played nearly 180 games and he has only scored 50 odd goals...

My second reason i dont think he is the right man for us is, where is he going to play.Ok so he plays up top with Torres...That means where does Gerrard play??? or Lucas,or Masch or the 20 Mill man Alberto..

Also i get the impression that Jones is the kind of laid back guy, who is not up for the fight..At the moment we need boys who are willing to put it all on the line for the guy, some with a attidue of bellamy,Roy Keane,Carra, some one with passion in them...And i dont think Jones has that in him.

I think if we are looking at floggin a dead horse in Babel and using the money, i think we should be looking at signing a top goalscorer with the abilities to score goals..Now i dont have many names,But Klass Jan Huntlaar is looking to leave Milan in search of first team football and he also has a place to secure in the Dutch squad to be on that Plane to South Africa..

[Fowler's God]

LIVERPOOL’S hopes of signing Kenwyne Jones were effectively dead today after Sunderland refused any attempt to do business.

As was reported in later editions of last night’s ECHO, the Reds spent the weekend trying to thrash out a deal to bring the Trinidad & Tobago international to Anfield on loan until the end of the season and were hopeful of doing so.

With Fernando Torres facing a spell on the sidelines due to a knee injury, boss Rafa Benitez wanted to bring Jones to Anfield to give his strike force a physical presence and increase competition for places.

Yet despite the player wanting to switch Wearside for Merseyside, Sunderland would not entertain any thoughts of a loan and insisted the only way the Jones would leave the Stadium of Light during this window was in a cash deal.

The Reds, of course, are not flush with cash at present and had no intentions of meeting Sunderland’s asking price of well in excess of £10m for Jones, who has scored 25 times in 85 appearances for the Black Cats.

Benitez, who is also in the race to sign Bordeaux striker Marouane Chamakh, is unlikely to give up his search to bring another forward in before the window closes and has vowed to keep “working hard” to find the right man.

“We will see if we can do something more in this window,” he added. “If we cannot we will stick together for the next challenge. We have a good team, a good squad and are not as bad as people think.”

Probably a blessing in disguise, I still still think bringing RVN on a short term deal is a better option for us...

[ROCCO]

£10 MILLION bid on the table apparently

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=467904

Mackem ITK apparently


If you read page 2 it seems the poster is very much trusted by the rest on the forum..

[Niall]

£10 MILLION bid on the table apparently

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=467904

Mackem ITK apparently


If you read page 2 it seems the poster is very much trusted by the rest on the forum..

Saw a poster on the rattle saying £10 million as well as Babel going there. Reckon he is pulling peoples wire myself. Said it would be announced today or tomorrow.

[randywatson]

Saw a poster on the rattle saying £10 million as well as Babel going there. Reckon he is pulling peoples wire myself. Said it would be announced today or tomorrow.

if we spunk 10 million on him, i think ill cry :(

[Niall]

Radio 5 saying talks are taking place apparently.

[Ron1892]

Sunderland are robbing us blind..Dont think he is worth 10 million and i think his stats back it up..

[graham]

If we pay 10 million for Jones it would be madness.
Madness

[Fowler's God]

Rafa needs his head examined if this is case...big mistake for that amount of money. He has a presence up front but for 10 million no no no...

[willk1977]

This is starting to smell of desperation :confused:

[megager]

If we get 10 million for Babel, we could do worse than spend it on Jones. He could offer us something different. I think he could take a lot of the physical pressure off torres and I reckon he gives us an aerial option which we badly need with all the long balls we seem to launch recently.

[megager]

Of course I would prefer the 10 million to go on a top class player. I really hoped Babel going would be for Turan.

[ROCCO]

Imo £6-7m fee would be a Bargain imo ..... £10m why not

its obvious Rafa is looking for a big powerful striker to help Torres out from been been bashed black and blue ,
its only last season they turned down offers over £6m and Darren Bent{ £10M} from Spurs.



"Jones was fantastic and I have played against him twice now. He is a very good player. Very hard working and probably the best in the air in the entire Premier League. He really is that good." John Terry

[Liverpool-law]

If we get 10 million for Babel, we could do worse than spend it on Jones. He could offer us something different. I think he could take a lot of the physical pressure off torres and I reckon he gives us an aerial option which we badly need with all the long balls we seem to launch recently.

Of course I would prefer the 10 million to go on a top class player. I really hoped Babel going would be for Turan.

I'd agree with both of these, yes he could do a job for us and I think he is a type of player we don't currently have and could work well with Torres. But overpriced at 10 million. 7 maybe. On the plus side he's only 25 and working with better players around him could bring him on a lot.

[1_mossy_1]

I think hes worth that.. spurs were making up on 15 million bids over the summer.. dont think we should buy him to be honest cause he will only stay a year or 2 and then be shipped off for half the price. but in todays current market i think 9-10 million would be his price..

[trucker]

On Loan for 5 months if we're getting that Chamakh lad is excellent, £10m is a bit of risk to say the least, he's not worth that but either is Babel so what can you do.

[gowinit6times]

Don't really want to see him no matter the cost. It would probably just mean a continuation on the barrage of recent long balls played from back to front.

[randywatson]

Don't really want to see him no matter the cost. It would probably just mean a continuation on the barrage of recent long balls played from back to front.

EXACTLY

what about Llorente from bilbao, would be cost much more than 10 million? he`s a big lad, and id imagine a helluva lot more talented than Jones

**** it, even Saha,

its a backwards step imif we sign jones imo, ill be rightly pissed off if Rafa is allowed to spend 10 million on him

so much for being brought up on pass and move football,

[babbsnads]

i'd like to c someone come in with a bit of aerial presence up front and jones certainly has that.9-10 million does seem a lot but as a lot of managers find out theres not much value to be had in january.i think torres would benefit from playing with someone like him and in the mean time we are pretty desperate for a striker

[Fowler's God]

EXACTLY

what about Llorente from bilbao, would be cost much more than 10 million? he`s a big lad, and id imagine a helluva lot more talented than Jones

**** it, even Saha,

its a backwards step imif we sign jones imo, ill be rightly pissed off if Rafa is allowed to spend 10 million on him

so much for being brought up on pass and move football,

The man just oozes class....

[randywatson]

The man just oozes class....

have you see that "wonderkid" they have as well, Muniain? that lad will go for crazy money in a few years, he`s a player, id even risk 10 million on him now

or that Victor Moses lad

i just think a target man is the wrong approach, w eneed to get back to playing football, not adopting an Allardyce attack

[babbsnads]

personally i'd rather go for someone with premiership experience.whoever we buy we need them to hit the ground running

[randywatson]

personally i'd rather go for someone with premiership experience.whoever we buy we need them to hit the ground running

i understand what you mean, at the moment, and im trying to be positive here, we have a centre midfielder signed for big money that is pretty much a right off for this current season ,the last thing we need is a striker signed that needs time to "settle"

victor moses is english, he`d be grand so

id like that llorente lad though, he can play ball

[bobby benitez]

This lad is like Drogba 1 day and like Heskey the next. If we pay just what we get for Babel then go for it I say. You have to remember what £10m gets you these days, not much and we cant afford to wait until May to act, we need backup now.

[travis]

I'm just glad we're buying players in this window because I thought he would have nothing to spend, I can see everybody is a bit worried about Jones but I'd like to see him here.
I've watched matches where he roughed up Terry and another where Ferdinand couldn't handle him either.
Rafa has been after a target man for a while now.

[babbsnads]

i understand what you mean, at the moment, and im trying to be positive here, we have a centre midfielder signed for big money that is pretty much a right off for this current season ,the last thing we need is a striker signed that needs time to "settle"

victor moses is english, he`d be grand so

id like that llorente lad though, he can play ball

i dont really watch much spanish football but i,ll keep me eye out for him but if he's as good as u say he,d probably cost a bit more than we can afford

[T.N.F]

This lad is like Drogba 1 day and like Heskey the next. If we pay just what we get for Babel then go for it I say. You have to remember what £10m gets you these days, not much and we cant afford to wait until May to act, we need backup now.

Could be worse, we could get Heskey and he's like Heskey all the time!

[LFC_Mark]

Could be worse, we could get Heskey and he's like Heskey all the time!

:D
this made me laugh

[Niall]

Liverpool are in talks with Sunderland about bringing striker Kenwyne Jones to Anfield, BBC Sport understands.

The 25-year-old is wanted by Liverpool on loan but Sunderland are holding out for a permanent deal in the summer.

On Monday, Sunderland said that there was "not a chance" of Jones joining Liverpool on a temporary basis.

Reds boss Rafael Benitez wants to boost his goalscoring options following injuries to Fernando Torres, Steven Gerrard and Yossi Benayoun.

Previous reports had hinted Benitez was keen to swap out-of-favour Reds forward Ryan Babel for Jones, but the deal was dismissed by Sunderland manager Steve Bruce.

Birmingham have also been linked with a bid for Trinidad & Tobago international Jones, who signed a new four-and-a-half year contract last January.

However, Bruce and chairman Niall Quinn have both spoken in recent days of their desire to keep the player at the club.

The 6ft 1in frontman, signed from Southampton for £6m in 2007, has scored six goals this season and forged a promising partnership with leading scorer Darren Bent.

He played the full 90 minutes in Sunderland's most recent game - a 7-2 thrashing by Premier League leaders Chelsea on Saturday.

Liverpool have had a difficult season so far and are seventh in the Premier League and have been knocked out of all the major cup competitions.

They have won only five of their last 17 games in all competitions, a run that has seen them eliminated from the Carling Cup, FA Cup, Champions League and ended any realistic title ambition, with the Europa League now their only hope of honours.

Their most recent result was a 1-1 draw at Stoke on Saturday, which came off the back of a home loss to Reading in the FA Cup.

Despite Liverpool's position, Benitez said on Monday that he may not make signings during the transfer window.

"We will see if we can do something more in this window," he said. "If we cannot we will stick together for the next challenge. We have a good team, a good squad and not as bad as people think.

"It is important to have confidence. When people say we need two strikers like Torres you say 'OK. Where are these strikers and how much can you pay for them?"'

[byrnetred]

to be honest id rather hold onto the 10m till the summer and buy a top class striker to partner torres(obviouly on the basis keeps all the money blah blah before people jump down throat..debt..)

[bryanod]

Agreed, what a waste, sell him in two years for a 2m loss, buy a replacement for more, repeat for the last 10 years....crouch, bellamy, morientes, djib, babel.....

[blackbetty69]

This lad is like Drogba 1 day and like Heskey the next. If we pay just what we get for Babel then go for it I say. You have to remember what £10m gets you these days, not much and we cant afford to wait until May to act, we need backup now.

thats true, action needs to be taken immediately.. this craic of drawing with the likes of stoke simply cant be allowed to happen for another 5 months.. we need someone now, or things will turn even uglier for us

[Malzheimer]

If we can somehow pull this transfer out of the bag, I for one will be very happy. Everyone including me was expecting no incomings during January. To get an experienced Argentinian international and a physical striker who is exactly the type of player we are missing and he is proven in the premiership to improve our squad can only be positive.

Don't see what all the negativity is about, especially if we can do it given our financial/yanks problems and by getting rid of that lazy Dutch lump in the process. Thats great business in my eyes and will only make us stronger in the important pursuit of 4th and a European Trophy.

[kelly jones]

Agreed, what a waste, sell him in two years for a 2m loss, buy a replacement for more, repeat for the last 10 years....crouch, bellamy, morientes, djib, babel.....

thats funny that lad

[ROCCO]

Agreed, what a waste, sell him in two years for a 2m loss, buy a replacement for more, repeat for the last 10 years....crouch, bellamy, morientes, djib, babel.....
:confused:
Crouch -profit ... didn't want to stay on the bench
Bellamy--small profit
Morientes --loss
Djib-------- only on loan
Babel---should break about even
Torres-- worth 50m+ more than we paid
Ngog----- worth another few million
Voro -- 2m profit


Rafa done ok imo ....

[Clerk]

Babel is crap. He thinks he can play up front but his scoring ratio is crap. He can't hold the ball up front. He can't head the ball properly ( ala Shearer ).

He dribbles but he has no end product, i.e. he does dribble and then score ( Beardsley/McManaman etc. etc. )

He can't cross. He does the odd good one.

He has a crap football brain. He doesn't pass at the right times, ala Rooney, Scholes and the like.

Finally, he's immature ( I'd stick his computer and his twitter page up his arse ) and has a crap attitude.

I'd be delighted if the Pool get rid of him, like Dossena ( no passion to play for the Pool ), Voronin ( crap ) as they have done. Also Degna ( crap ), Lucas ( crap ), Mascherano ( wants to go to Barca/Real - off you go kid ), Aurelio ( crap attitude this Year due to contract - crap injury record ).

Not sure how much we'd get for that lot but at least I wouldn't have to look at them anymore.

Also, although Benitez is playing one up front and Torres is World class. Ngog is not upto scratch at the moment as a back-up and Kuyt doesn't want to play up front anymore so that was crap out of Benitez.

Imo we could do with a target man. Selling Crouch was bad man-management - I know all about the bench and all that but United have had 4 top strikers at various times and it was managed. Ditto Alonso. So Jones would be OK as a target man and a better back that Ngog ( too much pressure on the youngfellow anyway ).

By the way I think the owners are a disgrace and I appreciate Rafa been given no Money in three transfer windows. But he should stop buying crap foreigners and get a few fellows in with a bit of Heart who want to play for Liverpool.

Right that's a load off my mind ...........;-)

[Fowler's God]

Welcome to Irish Kop!

[Bren100]

**** it, even Saha,



Id rather eggnog anyday

[LFC_Mark]

Babel is crap. He thinks he can play up front but his scoring ratio is crap. He can't hold the ball up front. He can't head the ball properly ( ala Shearer ).

He dribbles but he has no end product, i.e. he does dribble and then score ( Beardsley/McManaman etc. etc. )

He can't cross. He does the odd good one.

He has a crap football brain. He doesn't pass at the right times, ala Rooney, Scholes and the like.

Finally, he's immature ( I'd stick his computer and his twitter page up his arse ) and has a crap attitude.

I'd be delighted if the Pool get rid of him, like Dossena ( no passion to play for the Pool ), Voronin ( crap ) as they have done. Also Degna ( crap ), Lucas ( crap ), Mascherano ( wants to go to Barca/Real - off you go kid ), Aurelio ( crap attitude this Year due to contract - crap injury record ).

Not sure how much we'd get for that lot but at least I wouldn't have to look at them anymore.

Also, although Benitez is playing one up front and Torres is World class. Ngog is not upto scratch at the moment as a back-up and Kuyt doesn't want to play up front anymore so that was crap out of Benitez.

Imo we could do with a target man. Selling Crouch was bad man-management - I know all about the bench and all that but United have had 4 top strikers at various times and it was managed. Ditto Alonso. So Jones would be OK as a target man and a better back that Ngog ( too much pressure on the youngfellow anyway ).

By the way I think the owners are a disgrace and I appreciate Rafa been given no Money in three transfer windows. But he should stop buying crap foreigners and get a few fellows in with a bit of Heart who want to play for Liverpool.

Right that's a load off my mind ...........;-)

welcome :D

[LFC_Mark]

Id rather eggnog anyday

damn straight..how did i miss this? luis saha is a joke

[graham]

damn straight..how did i miss this? luis saha is a joke

Louis 'Haha'

[LFC_Mark]

Louis 'Haha'

ill be keeping that one :p

[bryanod]

:confused:
Crouch -profit ... didn't want to stay on the bench
Bellamy--small profit
Morientes --loss
Djib-------- only on loan
Babel---should break about even
Torres-- worth 50m+ more than we paid
Ngog----- worth another few million
Voro -- 2m profit


Rafa done ok imo ....

Conveniently through in the one proper-spending on a quality player in the middle there, which kinda helps prove my point, spend it on class and you won't spend more in the long run!

If adding names to the list you also left out Keane, Heskey and Baros, to name a few more.

Stop wasting it on slightly above average players, buy one quality one. You also didnt incldue wages for all these players and paying off contracts when they left. WWe haev no money, so keep it for one player who can make a difference.

Tonight helps the point further, we have Torres, Kuyt and Ngog, we only play 1 up front, where is this new 10m player going to ggo except the bench and repeat of the above players leaving for first team football, or at a loss if they aren't up to scratch.

[aquaman]

jones is he serious like.i reckon he will be another expensive flop.
hope he views it as givin torres a partner!we need 2 up front.

[carpe diem]

i've always said torres would prosper even more from a hold up knock on target man upfront with him,ive stated many times id love to see us sign kevin davies but jones is a similarish type player,i personally think he'd combine really well with torres and hope rafa makes this happen.i know everyone doesnt share the vision but i see the the logic in signing him.

[ROCCO]

Liverpool's move for Kenwyne Jones is set to include a clever tax break.

Sunderland are in negotiations to sell their Trinidad & Tobago striker to the Anfield club in a £12million transfer.

But Jones, 25, is likely to move on loan initially, ahead of a guaranteed permanent transfer in the summer.

This enables both clubs to carry the impact of the transfer on their balance sheets into the next tax year which begins in April.

West Brom have pioneered this type of transfer with the sales of Tomasz Kuszczak, Curtis Davies and Jonathan Greening to Manchester United, Aston Villa and Fulham respectively.

All three went on initial loan deals ahead of permanent transfers in the next tax year

[ROCCO]

id prefer ....

AC Milan paid €15 million for Huntelaar and has only played 11 games ... imo they might accept a bid of about €11.5 million {£10m } and first loan him for the rest of the season ?

[Skintown Red]

id prefer ....

AC Milan paid €15 million for Huntelaar and has only played 11 games ... imo they might accept a bid of about €11.5 million {£10m } and first loan him for the rest of the season ?

Any chance you could send that through to Rafa?!!

Ye never know...

[edcarroll02]

id prefer ....

AC Milan paid €15 million for Huntelaar and has only played 11 games ... imo they might accept a bid of about €11.5 million {£10m } and first loan him for the rest of the season ?

That seems a little bit too sensible for my liking but I would be 100% supportive of such a move. I think Huntelaar is a class footballer, think him and Van Der Vaart should have been big targets when Real wanted Alonso.

[ROCCO]

Ajax: 92 appearances with 76 goals
Real Madrid: 20 appearances { sub 7} with 8 goals
AC Milan: 11 appearances { 6 sub} with 3 goals

International Level

Netherlands: 29 appearances with 14 goals

[Kop On]

That seems a little bit too sensible for my liking but I would be 100% supportive of such a move. I think Huntelaar is a class footballer, think him and Van Der Vaart should have been big targets when Real wanted Alonso.

Ideally yes, but this option was never a runner as the Americans wanted to bank the Alonso cash.

[graham]

I think Huntelaar would be perfect to be honest. He ticks all the boxes for what we're looking for. Strong, great finisher. He would be a brilliant partner for Torres or he could fill the role himself up front. If we could get him on loan and maybe make it permanent in the summer that would be great. It's looking like Babel is on his way at this stage so if Rafa's given the money from all the sales he could easily make a bid for Huntelaar. That would be a pretty fantastic transfer window.
The figures I'm reading that are being bandied around for Jones are nuts

[Fowler's God]

According to Babel's agent he is thinking over Birmingham's offer....9 million.

[edcarroll02]

Ideally yes, but this option was never a runner as the Americans wanted to bank the Alonso cash.

Did we not sign Aquaman with that cash?

[ROCCO]

Did we not sign Aquaman with that cash?

no ....


The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:

- 4 cash instalments of
- - 5 million EURO upfront
- - 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- - 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010
- - 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.

Further Add ons include:

- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15

- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearancs, 70 appearances, 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.

Details can be found here (for those fluent in Italian) - http://www.asroma.it/UserFiles/988.pdf

[graham]

no .... only paid £5m so far ...

That's the case with nearly all deals. Players are bought with budgets rather than cash. So far as I'm aware, Madrid paid 20m up front for Alonso and there's 10m still owed. Rafa didn't want Alonso to go so talk of him being sold for cash doesn't work for me. There was a handful of Madrid players who they were trying to offload that I would have loved coming our way as part of the Alonso deal. I don't think we'd be in the position we are now if they did

[ROCCO]

That's the case with nearly all deals. Players are bought with budgets rather than cash. So far as I'm aware, Madrid paid 20m up front for Alonso and there's 10m still owed. Rafa didn't want Alonso to go so talk of him being sold for cash doesn't work for me. There was a handful of Madrid players who they were trying to offload that I would have loved coming our way as part of the Alonso deal. I don't think we'd be in the position we are now if they did

Read that we got £30m for Alonso up front and there is another £5m based on appearances success etc ..

meant to say 5m euro up to Jan 3rd for Nemo
Actually have now paid 8 million euros to date for Nemo ..

[KOPSTAR]

any move in the market for us is a good move,looking back awhile ago there was no hope

[edcarroll02]

no ....


The 20 million EURO transfer fee is broken up into the following:

- 4 cash instalments of
- - 5 million EURO upfront
- - 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010
- - 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010
- - 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011.

Further Add ons include:

- 300,000 EURO for every year Liverpool qualify for the Champions League from 2010/11 to 2014/15

- 250,000 EURO everytime the player reaches 35 appearancs, 70 appearances, 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

- 1 million EURO the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

- 5% of any future transfer fee will be paid to Roma.

Details can be found here (for those fluent in Italian) - http://www.asroma.it/UserFiles/988.pdf

I wouldn't concern myself too much with the payment plan, the managers budget would be drawn up based on sales and purchases at that time as opposed to payments and receipts. Its for the accountants to work out a good payment!

I reckon Rafa pretty much balanced the books over the summer (especially when the long term contracts are considered) with Johnson and Aquaman coming in.

[ROCCO]

JUST READ..... maybe rubbish but .....

I thought I'd pass on the info that Skybet have suspended betting on Jones to Liverpool. I appreciate that isn't solid news, but they usually only suspend betting after an influx of bets, which usually happens when insiders cash in on their ITK status.

[wertyu]

Kenwyne Jones
Sunderland to Liverpool - The Insider says: 4/5Liverpool still hope to finalise a deal for Jones before the end of this week and a few insiders at the club were surprised it wasn't concluded before Wednesday night's fixture with Tottenham.

Sportsmail revealed Jones was on Liverpool's list of targets last month and Jones, just as importantly, has only been interested in going to Anfield or one of the other top-five clubs.

Even this week Premier League rivals have inquired to see if they could do a similar style deal to Liverpool but Jones is desperate to join the Reds.

Sunderland will strike a deal that sees them get their money in the summer and will continue to look for strikers themselves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1245008/Spurs-best-wait-Fraser-Forster-Roberto-Mancini-gamble-Ishak-Belfodil-Stoke-look-likely-miss-Amauri-Liverpool-close-Kenwyne-Jones--THE-INSIDER.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0dGIuQzjK

[bono]

id prefer ....

AC Milan paid €15 million for Huntelaar and has only played 11 games ... imo they might accept a bid of about €11.5 million {£10m } and first loan him for the rest of the season ?

If I had the choice of spending money on Jones or Huntelaar i'd go for Huntelaar myself.

[Captain_Morgan]

JUST READ..... maybe rubbish but .....

I thought I'd pass on the info that Skybet have suspended betting on Jones to Liverpool. I appreciate that isn't solid news, but they usually only suspend betting after an influx of bets, which usually happens when insiders cash in on their ITK status.

Didn skybet suspend betting on frank ribery coming to us last summer also???????

[Niall]

Didn skybet suspend betting on frank ribery coming to us last summer also???????

They did indeed and also on Owen to the Mancs.

[ROCCO]

Like i said .. maybe rubbish .... but have a gut feeling it will happen ..

[ROCCO]

Didn skybet suspend betting on frank ribery coming to us last summer also???????

Owen to mancs was... but Ribery wasn't .... as i remember checking when i heard it but they were still taking bets ...

[garyc]

I dunno................is this guy really the answer to our problems??? :confused:

[TrueRed92]

I dunno................is this guy really the answer to our problems??? :confused:

i tink short term yes but longg term i cant see him makin a major impact.. hope im wrong

[Malzheimer]

Owen to mancs was... but Ribery wasn't .... as i remember checking when i heard it but they were still taking bets ...

Think Ribery went into 8/13 at worst. Some WUM's having a laugh probably.

Get this deal done Rafa.

[Malzheimer]

I dunno................is this guy really the answer to our problems??? :confused:

No. He is part of the answer Rafa has had to come up with, bigger squad, plan B etc etc. There is no "answer" unless you know a hitman with two bullets.

[ROCCO]

Think Ribery went into 8/13 at worst. Some WUM's having a laugh probably.

Get this deal done Rafa.

just to make it look like something was going on ... and watch the suckers lose their cash in big amounts :o

[fermoyred80]

Fat head on Sky there complaining about us tapping him up. Saying its embarassing that we want him on loan, its like Sunderland wanting to take Gerrard on loan. Fck off Bruce ya wanker

[T.N.F]

Fat head on Sky there complaining about us tapping him up. Saying its embarassing that we want him on loan, its like Sunderland wanting to take Gerrard on loan. Fck off Bruce ya wanker

I hate that fat headed pr1ck

http://football365.co.uk/story/0,17033,8652_5878362,00.html



Sunderland boss Steve Bruce has launched an angry broadside at Liverpool over their pursuit of Kenwyne Jones.

Bruce insisted there has been no contact between the two clubs despite repeated speculation on Merseyside that the Trinidad and Tobago international is to join the Reds on loan before making a permanent switch during the summer.

He said: "I find it hugely disrespectful, the antics of Liverpool. I have huge respect for Liverpool and the way they have done their business and they way they have conducted themselves.

"But I have to say, this constant badgering of Kenwyne Jones when we as a club haven't heard anything, and then I keep reading this nonsense that I'm going to allow him to go on loan because it's a tax advantage for both clubs is the biggest load of rubbish I have read for weeks.

"As if I'm got to let our big, big player, one of our big, big assets, go on loan - I find it hugely disrespectful and I can't understand where Liverpool are coming from."

[Ron1892]

Appartently we are trying to get him on loan because it avoids paying certain taxs on the transfer fee..West Brom have done it a few times and it has been successful.Seen some where on line about this..

[ROCCO]

Benitez on Monday insisted he had not been involved at all in any negotiations and was concentrating on football matters.

"I was not dealing with this," said the Liverpool boss.

"(Managing director) Christian Purslow has been talking with (Sunderland chairman) Niall Quinn so they have to manage the situation because I was not doing anything.

"I prefer not to talk too much because we will create a debate so Christian and Niall will continue to talk if they need to talk.

"They were in contact but I don't know what the situation is now."


Now fat head its just you who was not informed about a legal approach ...

[bono]

Don't think this is a good move at all we should be aiming higher but given the situation it's a realistic one i suppose still don't rate Jones at all.
Does anyone remember Jones being straight through 1 on 1 against Reina & he crumbled under the pressure?
I'm not taking anything away from Reina but any striker worth his salt should be putting chances like that away.

[trucker]

Don't think this is a good move at all we should be aiming higher but given the situation it's a realistic one i suppose still don't rate Jones at all.
Does anyone remember Jones being straight through 1 on 1 against Reina & he crumbled under the pressure?
I'm not taking anything away from Reina but any striker worth his salt should be putting chances like that away.

I was at a game vs Newcastle November 2007, when Torres missed 3 one on ones and an open goal, it happens.

[ROCCO]

Personally i was annoyed at Fat Heads comments the other day ... so nice to See Quinn was in talks ....

Not sure about Jones .. but we need somebody this transfer window ....

[The Pernicious One]

I was at a game vs Newcastle November 2007, when Torres missed 3 one on ones and an open goal, it happens.

But in fairness its like sugar and spice in the difference between the pair.
You would back Torres to finish most times, with Jones I'm not so sure.

[ROCCO]

:D To get Jones on a loan :D fat head would explode ..



IMO of Dropa had left Chelsea .. Jones might have been bought by Chelsea

[ROCCO]

Been said that maybe Purslow and Quinn have been in talks since Fat heads comments to clear the Air ?

[trucker]

What baffles me is, what the fcuk did Purslow say to Niall Quinn, "Niall can we borrow your star striker till the end of the season", seriously what the is going on his head if that is the case? I cant see us commiting to a purchase of Jones if we get Chamach.

[ROCCO]

What baffles me is, what the fcuk did Purslow say to Niall Quinn, "Niall can we borrow your star striker till the end of the season", seriously what the is going on his head if that is the case? I cant see us commiting to a purchase of Jones if we get Chamach.

Seems ? they had been talking ?

Vincent O'Blueshite directly asked "Is there a possibility of him coming in this transfer window?"

Rafa's response "Purslow and Quinn are still talking".

depends on what way you take it ?

Imo maybe his Agent approached Us with the idea ....didn't he go on strike to get a move to sunder land ...

[ROME 77]

If Jones did join it would be interesting to see where he would play if everyone was fit.

[babbsnads]

If Jones did join it would be interesting to see where he would play if everyone was fit.

dont think he would be in rafa,s first choice 11 if everyone was fit but who knows,sometimes rafa selects horses for courses so he,d get plenty of of game time

[Captain_Morgan]

ssn just saying we have ended our interest

[Fowler's God]

ssn just saying we have ended our interest

Could be a good thing and a bad thing at the same time...we need someone. We missed the boat with RVN IMO...

[mushypea]

Quote From SS.com

Bruce continued: "There's no doubt the boy has got wonderful talent. The thing he has to do is make sure he does it repeatedly and regularly.

"Maybe over the last few weeks with all the nonsense which has been written about him, maybe his focus and his attention has not been playing on a Saturday, it's been elsewhere."

Bruce added: "The situation, I'm led to believe, is led by agents, which I find unhealthy.

"We hope the whole thing is gone to bed and put away."




Well if thats what your led to believe than how about an apology to Liverpool Football Club Brucie?

Kn0b head

[ROCCO]

sunderland echo couldnt make it up

Sunderland are considering a move for Liverpool striker Ryan Babel as the Black Cats look to strengthen up front before the January transfer window closes.


Steve Bruce is pondering whether to make a move for the Anfield misfit as he weighs up all his options ahead of the window shutting on Monday, having been thwarted already in hopes of signing Schalke 04's Kevin Kuranyi or Club America's Salvador Cabanas.

And the Black Cats are fully aware that Liverpool would let the Dutch international go if the right deal could be struck.

Babel has been an enigma since arriving in English football as one of the hottest young properties in Europe.

Rafa Benitez signed him for £11.5m from Ajax in July 2007 but since then he has flattered to deceive, showing glimpses of his undoubted talent too rarely.

Although often deployed on the wing, his return of nine goals in 67 first-team appearances for the Reds is disappointing and this season he has scored only three goals in 15 Premier League outings.

Liverpool have lost patience with the 23-year-old and are willing to listen to offers, but are not ready to offload the player on the cheap.

Birmingham City failed with an £8million bid for the player at the start of the current transfer window, while Babel himself is known to be choosy about the idea of moving on.

There have been claims that Babel would consider a move to London – either to Tottenham or Arsenal – but no acceptable bids from either club has materialised.

It may be that if Sunderland do opt to pursue the player, he will need some persuading to move to the North East.

But of far more relevance at the moment, is whether Sunderland will decide that the striker/winger is a player who would benefit the Black Cats in the long term.

Bruce and his coaching team have made a career out of spotting talent and bringing it on at other clubs.

And the question they will have to satisfy in their own minds is whether Babel is a player who could blossom on Wearside.

It would be foolish to import a player with bags of talent without the right attitude – Sunderland learned that lesson with their costly acquisitions of Pascal Chimbonda and El-Hadji Diouf a couple of seasons ago.

But if Babel could be brought in and directed towards making the most of his undoubted abilities, Sunderland might have a player on their hands who would be a major asset as the club looks to go forward.

What Bruce has to decide is which player Babel is. Frustrated star in the making? Or expensive prima donna?

[ROCCO]

Quote From SS.com Babel to sunderland

Rafa continued: "There's no doubt the boy has got wonderful talent. The thing he has to do is make sure he does it repeatedly and regularly.

"Maybe over the last few weeks with all the nonsense which has been written about him, maybe his focus and his attention has not been playing on a Saturday, it's been elsewhere."

Rafa added: "The situation, I'm led to believe, is led by agents, which I find unhealthy.

"We hope the whole thing is gone to bed and put away."








Fixed :D

So is a swap deal on fat head ?

[ROCCO]

STEVE BRUCE is considering leaving Kenwyne Jones out of tonight's trip to Everton - after admitting the striker has been unsettled by transfer talk linking him with a move to Liverpool.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/sunderland-afc/safc-news/2010/01/27/steve-bruce-may-drop-jones-for-everton-trip-72703-25696002/

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/safc/Bruce-may-rest-Jones-amid.6017629.jp

http://www.skysports.com/football/match_preview/0,19764,11065_3150811,00.html

Bruce is also contemplating whether Liverpool-target Kenwyne Jones is okay to play.

interesting ....:p

[Liverpool-law]

I would take this deal if it were on. He can't be any worse than what we have and it might actually work out for both parties if it happened.

[Badman]

i think jones is a decent player and in the right setting and with the right supply he could be a 15-20 goal a season striker. ive seen him physically batter some strong centre backs, even agaisnt utd and the chavs. but i think you need to get it wide and get crosses into the box for him to attack. i jsut worry he'l provide the centrebacks with just another excuse to 'hoof' (buzzword of the week) it 60 yards straight onto his head instead of trying to play into position to cross it in. i think under the right tutelage he could be a good player...i dont remember was it vidic or ferdinand he beat up at old trafford recently but he sure does give centrebacks a torrid time when he's in the mood

[fermoyred80]

When our crosses cant even make it past the front post itll be hard for him with set pieces plus Rafa will surley play him out of position, left wing or something

[JAMIE]

was jones left out of the squad tonight

[Ron1892]

was jones left out of the squad tonight

No he has come on as a sub for richardson in the 26th minute..

[MR KING KENNY]

why is this guy still here, another bid rejected......9 million is a bargan for this clown, why oh why

[f.torres.9.]

van nistelrooy,van der vaart,van huntelar,jones,chamkh,gudjohnson,pavaluchenko

we have been linked with every one of these during the transfer wondow and we didnt sign one of them :mad::mad:

[7Cannibal-9Asbo]

van nistelrooy,van der vaart,van huntelar,jones,chamkh,gudjohnson,pavaluchenko

we have been linked with every one of these during the transfer wondow and we didnt sign one of them :mad::mad:

went a bit mad with your vans there :D

[Dzer2]

Lads If you think of all the signings we have had who are being touted as the next big thing even established players who came that dont get decent game time and are played one week in six doesnt it seem resonable that none of these players would come to liverpool as they wouldnt get game time.:( We signed aquaman to replace Alonzo and he has spent most of his time on the bench. If I was a top player who was out of a team I would go to a Championship team ahead of liverpool as I would at least be playing every week. If my agent was tring to get me a team he would want me playing every week too. this would increase my value next time I was moving on.:rolleyes:

Cant see many big names coming to liverpool until we sort out this team selection of 10 defensive minded players and torres.:mad::mad::mad:

[podge018]

to be fair, he spent most of his time injured, and I'd say he's played more than sat out since his return.

[merc]

So now that Bable is here to stay (till the summer at least) will he get more runs in the team?
Should we have bit Birminghams hand off at 9million?

[Phil!]

So now that Bable is here to stay (till the summer at least) will he get more runs in the team?
Should we have bit Birminghams hand off at 9million?

No to both. Firstly I think the reason we didn't accept Birminghams offer is because the money would have gone straight to Dumb and Dumber. Secondly I reckon he will used as he always was 10 mins here and there and thats all he deserves until has attitude improves imo