Liverpool Vs Manchester city

[Gerry]

Wonder how many we will have out through injury? City on a run of bad results also Come on you mighty reds !

[sean]

International football has played a massive part in blowing apart our season so far, dread to hear what the news will be on Thursday morning. This was always going to be a big game but with the horror show that we've been going through in recent weeks its even bigger. With Johnson, Aquilani, Gerrard and Torres getting some well earned rest and rehabilitation hopefully this is the one where we really show everyone else what we're all about and get this season back on track.

[kelly jones]

need a win big time and they need manners put on them come on red men .

[Alex Raisbeck]

International football has played a massive part in blowing apart our season so far, dread to hear what the news will be on Thursday morning.

Lucas, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Kuyt and Reina are the only players potentially involved this mid week I think. Not as bad as some international weeks for a change.

[zamaguire]

We are due a bit of luck, a scrappy 1-0 win will do.

[stalker]

Lets stuff these ****s gees with our massive mighty red cocks.

We dont carry bottles
We dont carry lead
We only carry hatchets to bury in your head
We are loyal supporters
Fanatics everyone
We all hate man city, leeds and everton

We are the scousers
The cocks of the north
We hate man utd and city of course
We only drink whisky and bottles of brown
The Liverpool boys are in town
Na na na na nanananana nanananana
Oh we're the boys on the social,
The boys on the dole,
We're so ****ing ugly
We can't get our hole,
But we all go mental
When we score a goal,
Oh the Liverpool Boys are in town.
Na, na, na.

[travis]

[QUOTE=stalker;261039]Lets stuff these ****s gees with our massive mighty red cocks.

thats a bit pornographic innit

[stalker]

[QUOTE=stalker;261039]Lets stuff these ****s gees with our massive mighty red cocks.

thats a bit pornographic innit

Its the internet like.

Anyway all I'm saying is we're gonna beat um coz we're great.

[barnestormer]

shud be a good game...

[ROCCO]

Might bring my boots with all the injuries at present ..

[barrydoherty]

Might bring my boots with all the injuries at present ..

Between you and Voronin for a place upfront then

[rev]

Between you and Voronin for a place upfront then

Shouldn't be too hard of a decision ;)

Seems like most came out of the internationals injury free! So hopefully we've a strong starting 11

[LUCAN RED!!!]

should be a tight game littered with mistakes

[skipper]

know its a long shot bit any body any tickets for this 1

[Gray72]

This game is absolutely massive. Not only is it another game were the press and everyone is looking for us to fall flat on our face it's a game against the pretenders to our throne. City will fancy snatching the 4th CL position and that is all we have to play for this season, surely.

This game could really shape not only this season but where we are going to find ourselves next season and in the future. We need a solid performance and quite simply a win against a City team packed with good players. We need to show them that they need to up a level if they want to break into the top 4.

I am terrified of this fixture and have given up making predictions. if we can get Aquilani, Gerrard and some time out of Torres we have a real chance. One thing for sure is Reina and the back four need to get a grip! I think Reina has been poor at times this term and this included flapping at both Birmingham goals and failing to cut out the Lyon winner at Anfield and their equaliser away.:mad:

[gowinit6times]

This game is absolutely massive. Not only is it another game were the press and everyone is looking for us to fall flat on our face it's a game against the pretenders to our throne. City will fancy snatching the 4th CL position and that is all we have to play for this season, surely.

This game could really shape not only this season but where we are going to find ourselves next season and in the future. We need a solid performance and quite simply a win against a City team packed with good players. We need to show them that they need to up a level if they want to break into the top 4.

I am terrified of this fixture and have given up making predictions. if we can get Aquilani, Gerrard and some time out of Torres we have a real chance. One thing for sure is Reina and the back four need to get a grip! I think Reina has been poor at times this term and this included flapping at both Birmingham goals and failing to cut out the Lyon winner at Anfield and their equaliser away.:mad:

Can't agree with that at all, he has been one of the few players that can take credit for his performances to date especially playing behind the back 4 in its current form.

The international break has come at the right time for us and if we can beat Man City and put a few consecutive wins together things will start to look a bit better.

[Gray72]

Can't agree with that at all, he has been one of the few players that can take credit for his performances to date especially playing behind the back 4 in its current form.

The international break has come at the right time for us and if we can beat Man City and put a few consecutive wins together things will start to look a bit better.

I knew people would disagree with that and that's fine. I'm not saying he's a poor keeper only that he is suffering a drop in form and confidence like the rest of the defence.

I really think he could have defended/commanded his 6 yard box better for the Birmingham first goal. He was certainly found flapping for the second Birmingham goal, but it was a screamer. I think he lacked conviction in the 6 yard box against lyon for their winner and could possibly have done better for their equaliser over there!

Too often we have dominated position had numerous chances to take the lead and passed them up. Only to be hit with a sucker punch by the opposition who score with their first shot on target. Reina is certainly not over worked but I feel there is a confidence issue with him.

Reina is a great keeper and made some great saves against Lyon away and has been one of our more consistent players but there is room for improvement. if he starts commanding his box then maybe our back 4 will get a grip? Constructive criticism based only on the high standards Reina has set himself.

[ROCCO]

Between you and Voronin for a place upfront then

No competition ...... sorry Voro ..:D

[scousepaddy]

know its a long shot bit any body any tickets for this 1


You should try the thread on the ticket forum mate!

[scousepaddy]

Gerrard thinks he will be fit for this one after the second injection. cant awiat. Should be a good game!

[GDLUCKXABI]

Its time to see what aqua can do, get him in there and lets have a look. Going over to this one so please let em win!

[T.N.F]

Its time to see what aqua can do, get him in there and lets have a look. Going over to this one so please let em win!

Still dont think hes gonna start!

EDIT: N'Gogs nose is broke so he'll prob start

[T.N.F]

Who the fcuk are we playing up front on Saturday?

For what we have available, I'd like to see this, but I'll bet Voronin starts

------------------Reina----------------

Johnson------Skrtel----Agger------Insua

------------------Masch----------------

----------------------Lucas--------------

Gerrard----------------------------------Babel

------------------Aquilani------------------

------------------Kuyt-----------------------

[5starpool]

Could be quite an interesting lineup alright this weekend. Hopefully Voronin won't get near the team bus, never mind the team.

[scousepaddy]

Balls i didnt know torres was defo out!

[wheeliekop]

any word of thr teamsheet??
ngog is showing a wee bit of promise

[wheeliekop]

Aquilani is key.
i wounder will he go 4-2-3-1

[T.N.F]

Balls i didnt know torres was defo out!


At least Gerrard, Johnson and Agger (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N166489091117-1515.htm) should be ok

[scousepaddy]

will ngog play with a face mask?

[wheeliekop]

At least Gerrard, Johnson and Agger (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N166489091117-1515.htm) should be ok

that is something

[Niall]

Rafa Benitez is confident of having Steven Gerrard, Daniel Agger and Glen Johnson fit to face Man City this weekend.
All three have trained well after sitting out international duty and should be available for Saturday's crunch fixture against Mark Hughes' men.

However, Benitez is likely to be without top scorer Fernando Torres.

He told Liverpoolfc.tv: "Agger is okay. He had a small problem with his back but he's training. It was a very good decision from Denmark's manager (to withdraw Agger) because he is much better now. I think he'll be okay for the weekend.

"Johnson has been training. Not full sessions, but training, so hopefully he'll be okay for the weekend too.

"Gerrard is doing well. He finished a full training session today, so if he can carry on then he'll be okay as well.

"Fernando Torres is training with the physios, so I don't think he'll be available."

Benitez also had good news to report on hamstring duo Yossi Benayoun and Albert Riera, who were originally ruled out for four weeks after pulling up against Birmingham on November 9.

The boss said: "I was talking about four weeks but they are working hard with the physios and doing special treatments. We have to check but maybe they'll be back earlier than expected."

Meanwhile, Benitez expects to have David Ngog available for our forthcoming fixtures despite breaking his nose with France U21s.

"We know Ngog has broken his nose but it's not serious," he said. "I am not sure yet because we haven't seen him but I think he'll be okay, it won't be serious."

Elsewhere, Fabio Aurelio - who could not accept a long-awaited call to the Brazil squad due to a calf injury - remains a concern.

"It's a pity because he was waiting for this call for a long time, then when he got the opportunity he had a problem," said Benitez. "He's improving but still has a little bit of a problem with his calf. It will be difficult for him to play against Man City."

[Phil!]

Still not fully clear of injuries but at least were getting there! Good to hear Gerrard should be back. Was Carra only suspended for 1 game??

Team might be:

Reina
Johnson Agger Carra/Skrtel Insua
Aqualani Mach
Kuyt Gerrard Babel
Ngog
Hope Aqualani will start anyway but if not am sure he will be on at some stage. Good chance for Babel with Riera and Yossi out so come on Ryan build from Lyon!!

[corcaigh]

a broke nose is feck all, n'gog will start unless he's a serious pussy.

[wheeliekop]

Still not fully clear of injuries but at least were getting there! Good to hear Gerrard should be back. Was Carra only suspended for 1 game??

Team might be:

Reina
Johnson Agger Carra/Skrtel Insua
Aqualani Mach
Kuyt Gerrard Babel
Ngog
Hope Aqualani will start anyway but if not am sure he will be on at some stage. Good chance for Babel with Riera and Yossi out so come on Ryan build from Lyon!!

that is not bad given the injury list..

[walshy74]

A good win here and it will be a great confidence booster, man city have been a bit suspect at the back so i think we need to get at them early and rattle them don't let them settle at all.
Hope voronin gets no where near the team and if it is its just to hand out the oranges at half time.(porb mess that up too):)

[wheeliekop]

he'd end up blinding reina by squirting juice in his eye or something..waste of space

[LFC Barry]

Still not fully clear of injuries but at least were getting there! Good to hear Gerrard should be back. Was Carra only suspended for 1 game??

Team might be:

Reina
Johnson Agger Carra/Skrtel Insua
Aqualani Mach
Kuyt Gerrard Babel
Ngog
Hope Aqualani will start anyway but if not am sure he will be on at some stage. Good chance for Babel with Riera and Yossi out so come on Ryan build from Lyon!!


Thats a decent looking team. I think Carra is clear to play.

Yeah its about time Aquilani got a start now. He's got a further 2 weeks training under his belt now and should be raring to go at this stage. Something different in midfield could be just the lift we need.

Big chance for Babel, looks like he'll get a run of games now with the injuries to others.

Anyone know anything about Aurelios fitness? I'd like to see him back in the team not that Insua has done much wrong. I think if we saw a back four of Johnson - Carra - Agger - Aurelio for a consistent run of games, results would quickly improve

[Alex Raisbeck]

I think if we saw a back four of Johnson - Carra - Agger - Aurelio for a consistent run of games, results would quickly improve

Agree, its time to take Insua out of the team for a while.

[wheeliekop]

hes only learning his game..
hes out of his debt lately

[Alex Raisbeck]

hes only learning his game..
hes out of his debt lately

Yeah, thats why I think he needs a bit of a break, 2 or 3 games on the bench, then back in fresh again.
All part of the learning curve.
He must be one of the most active players so far this season.

[ROCCO]

I expect to start ...

Reina

Johnson Cara Agger Insua

Lucas Masch


kuyt Gerrard Babel ?

Ngog

[Niall]

YOSSI BENAYOUN and Albert Riera could be in line for a shock return to action this weekend after responding to radical treatment on their torn hamstrings.

The Liverpool midfielders were flown to Belgrade earlier this week to see Mariana Kovacevic, the physiotherapist who has become famous for curing injured sportsmen with liquid from horse placenta.

Both men were expected to be sidelined for between three to five weeks after they sustained the injuries against Birmingham last Monday.

But their condition has improved so much since seeing Kovacevic there is an outside chance of them being available for Saturday’s home clash with Manchester City.

Benayoun has been in outstanding form this season and he is quietly confident he will be back in action sooner rather than later.

“I have been in Belgrade to see her and I am feeling better already,” Benayoun confirmed. “My hope now is that I will be fit in one week, two at the most. I have a good feeling about it.”

If either of Benayoun or Riera were available after their special treatment it would be another huge boost for Rafa Benitez, who is getting close to having his strongest team available for the first time this season.

Though neither Fernando Torres or Fabio Aurelio will be available, Steven Gerrard, Daniel Agger and Glen Johnson are all expected to figure, while David Ngog should also be included despite breaking his nose with France’s Under-21s.

Ngog’s last appearance for Liverpool was shrouded in controversy after he ‘won’ the penalty that enabled his side to secure a 2-2 draw with Birmingham.

That incident, though, overshadowed what had been an encouraging display – he scored the Reds’ opener – and with Torres set to be sidelined, Ngog will be needed.

“Ngog has broken his nose, so we will have to see how he is before the weekend,” Benitez said today. “But we think he is going to be okay. It is not too serious.”

“Agger is training and we think he is also going to be okay for the weekend, which is positive for us.

“It was a very good decision from (Morten Olsen) Denmark’s manager (to withdraw Agger from their friendlies) because he is much better now. I think he’ll be okay for the weekend.

“Johnson did half a training session yesterday and looks much better. We think he should be fine for us, too.”

The return of so many key faces could not be better timed, as Liverpool are heading into a crucial run of fixtures and their manager knows he will need all hands to the pump.

“I hope we will ready as this is the start of an important week for us,” said Benitez, whose side face trips to Debreceni in the Champions League then Everton after City.

“The last game we played at home (against Birmingham) you could see we were pushing to win but we will need to do the same this weekend.”

[ROCCO]

YOSSI BENAYOUN and Albert Riera could be in line for a shock return to action this weekend after responding to radical treatment on their torn hamstrings.

The Liverpool midfielders were flown to Belgrade earlier this week to see Mariana Kovacevic, the physiotherapist who has become famous for curing injured sportsmen with liquid from horse placenta.

Both men were expected to be sidelined for between three to five weeks after they sustained the injuries against Birmingham last Monday.

But their condition has improved so much since seeing Kovacevic there is an outside chance of them being available for Saturday’s home clash with Manchester City.

Benayoun has been in outstanding form this season and he is quietly confident he will be back in action sooner rather than later.

“I have been in Belgrade to see her and I am feeling better already,” Benayoun confirmed. “My hope now is that I will be fit in one week, two at the most. I have a good feeling about it.”

If either of Benayoun or Riera were available after their special treatment it would be another huge boost for Rafa Benitez, who is getting close to having his strongest team available for the first time this season.

Though neither Fernando Torres or Fabio Aurelio will be available, Steven Gerrard, Daniel Agger and Glen Johnson are all expected to figure, while David Ngog should also be included despite breaking his nose with France’s Under-21s.

Ngog’s last appearance for Liverpool was shrouded in controversy after he ‘won’ the penalty that enabled his side to secure a 2-2 draw with Birmingham.

That incident, though, overshadowed what had been an encouraging display – he scored the Reds’ opener – and with Torres set to be sidelined, Ngog will be needed.

“Ngog has broken his nose, so we will have to see how he is before the weekend,” Benitez said today. “But we think he is going to be okay. It is not too serious.”

“Agger is training and we think he is also going to be okay for the weekend, which is positive for us.

“It was a very good decision from (Morten Olsen) Denmark’s manager (to withdraw Agger from their friendlies) because he is much better now. I think he’ll be okay for the weekend.

“Johnson did half a training session yesterday and looks much better. We think he should be fine for us, too.”

The return of so many key faces could not be better timed, as Liverpool are heading into a crucial run of fixtures and their manager knows he will need all hands to the pump.

“I hope we will ready as this is the start of an important week for us,” said Benitez, whose side face trips to Debreceni in the Champions League then Everton after City.

“The last game we played at home (against Birmingham) you could see we were pushing to win but we will need to do the same this weekend.”



Is Lucas back with us after the Brazil v England game ..


Get all the squad over for some horse placenta.

[ROCCO]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/11/18/yossi-benayoun-and-albert-riera-set-for-liverpool-fc-return-at-manchester-city-100252-25196582/

[bono]

Every half decent side we faced this season we've come up short (I don't consider Man Poo a decent side so don't go there) hope this is not a repeat.

We could do with a morale boosting win in this one here's hoping we get it & go on an unbeliveable Run.

[blackbetty69]

yeah aurelio puts in a fair few crosses as well like, and then having johnson back on the other side.. the more crosses that come in from either side, the more chances, simple as

[blackbetty69]

YOSSI BENAYOUN and Albert Riera could be in line for a shock return to action this weekend after responding to radical treatment on their torn hamstrings.
The Liverpool midfielders were flown to Belgrade earlier this week to see Mariana Kovacevic, the physiotherapist who has become famous for curing injured sportsmen with liquid from horse placenta.

Both men were expected to be sidelined for between three to five weeks after they sustained the injuries against Birmingham last Monday.

But their condition has improved so much since seeing Kovacevic there is an outside chance of them being available for Saturday’s home clash with Manchester City.

Benayoun has been in outstanding form this season and he is quietly confident he will be back in action sooner rather than later.

“I have been in Belgrade to see her and I am feeling better already,” Benayoun confirmed. “My hope now is that I will be fit in one week, two at the most. I have a good feeling about it.”

If either of Benayoun or Riera were available after their special treatment it would be another huge boost for Rafa Benitez, who is getting close to having his strongest team available for the first time this season.

Though neither Fernando Torres or Fabio Aurelio will be available, Steven Gerrard, Daniel Agger and Glen Johnson are all expected to figure, while David Ngog should also be included despite breaking his nose with France’s Under-21s.

Ngog’s last appearance for Liverpool was shrouded in controversy after he ‘won’ the penalty that enabled his side to secure a 2-2 draw with Birmingham.

That incident, though, overshadowed what had been an encouraging display – he scored the Reds’ opener – and with Torres set to be sidelined, Ngog will be needed.

“Ngog has broken his nose, so we will have to see how he is before the weekend,” Benitez said today. “But we think he is going to be okay. It is not too serious.”

“Agger is training and we think he is also going to be okay for the weekend, which is positive for us.

“It was a very good decision from (Morten Olsen) Denmark’s manager (to withdraw Agger from their friendlies) because he is much better now. I think he’ll be okay for the weekend.

“Johnson did half a training session yesterday and looks much better. We think he should be fine for us, too.”

The return of so many key faces could not be better timed, as Liverpool are heading into a crucial run of fixtures and their manager knows he will need all hands to the pump.

“I hope we will ready as this is the start of an important week for us,” said Benitez, whose side face trips to Debreceni in the Champions League then Everton after City.

“The last game we played at home (against Birmingham) you could see we were pushing to win but we will need to do the same this weekend.”

hmm, torn hamstrings normally take more than that to heal up fully.. i know rafa hasnt a notion of taking a chance if theyr still injured, but it doesnt add up that theyv recovered so fast..

[SHOWTIME]

Kuyt should be dropped.He's been shocking lately.

We've just gotta win!!

[ROCCO]

Kuyt should be dropped.He's been shocking lately.

We've just gotta win!!

Yes out of form ..... but play who ?

[SHOWTIME]

Yes out of form ..... but play who ?

I thought Aurelio was fit.As he's not it looks like we don't have any fit players to replace him. :(

[ROCCO]

I thought Aurelio was fit.As he's not it looks like we don't have any fit players to replace him. :(


What the situation with Aurelio ? LB LM CM

Even if fit he wouldn't replace Kuyt RM CF .. can play LM


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...verpool-brazil

Liverpool's Fabio Aurélio has been forced to pull out of Brazil's squad to face England after suffering a muscle injury, his national federation has confirmed. The left-sided defender, who can also play in midfield, will miss the match in Doha and Brazil's friendly against Oman.

Fabio has since gone over with Glen for some horse placenta massage treatment after the success of Benayoun and Riera had with the treatment.

[SHOWTIME]

What the situation with Aurelio ? LB LM CM

Even if fit he wouldn't replace Kuyt RM CF .. can play LM

If he was fit he could play left wing with Babel on the right.

Babel deserves a run on the right wing now or even upfront.

[ROCCO]

If he was fit he could play left wing with Babel on the right.

Babel deserves a run on the right wing now or even upfront.

Would prefer Babel on the right than on the left myself ..... But only can see Rafa doing that if kuyt and Benayoun injured ...

[SHOWTIME]

Would prefer Babel on the right than on the left myself ..... But only can see Rafa doing that if kuyt and Benayoun injured ...

I agree with you 100%.

Wayne Bridge is awful in all and I believe Babel would tear him apart with his pace and power.

Pity he won't get the chance to do it.

[trucker]

I agree with you 100%.

Wayne Bridge is awful in all and I believe Babel would tear him apart with his pace and power.

Pity he won't get the chance to do it.

Wayne Bridge is better than at least half the leftbacks in the league and I cant remember destroying them with his pace, and power, what bloody power he falls over like a girl if you even look at him.

[byrnie]

Wayne Bridge is better than at least half the leftbacks in the league and I cant remember destroying them with his pace, and power, what bloody power he falls over like a girl if you even look at him.

Bridge has been absolutely awful this season.
His display against Burnley last week was really poor.
He should definitely be targeted.

[SOC]

Big game saturday morning and I am thinking there will be a few goals in this one. A win to build the confidence ahead of Debrecen, Everton & Arsenal. I have seen posts above about fancying babel against bridge but I have to say I am sure their fans will fancy Wright Phillips against Insua. I expect a performance United like and a Liverpool win.

[Rover 609]

Looks like these dickheads trying to take the same route as those spas in stamford bridge and there ****in stupid plazzie flags.

http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=146459

[byrnie]

Smalltime twats.

Says here the kid is back in training and could feature.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1229057/Fernando-Torres-training-Liverpool-striker-return-Manchester-City.html

[ROCCO]

Smalltime twats.

Says here the kid is back in training and could feature.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1229057/Fernando-Torres-training-Liverpool-striker-return-Manchester-City.html

Think making the bench will be the best bet ..

[trucker]

Bridge has been absolutely awful this season.
His display against Burnley last week was really poor.
He should definitely be targeted.

Hes still better than at least half the fullbacks in the league, and bar 1 game agains Bolton in March 2008 I've never seen Babel roast any fullback in a game or even a half, so having Babel target him is unlikely to make a difference.

[SHOWTIME]

Hes still better than at least half the fullbacks in the league, and bar 1 game agains Bolton in March 2008 I've never seen Babel roast any fullback in a game or even a half, so having Babel target him is unlikely to make a difference.

I beg to differ but only time will tell.Bridge is awful.I never rated him and won't start now.

[byrnie]

Hes still better than at least half the fullbacks in the league, and bar 1 game agains Bolton in March 2008 I've never seen Babel roast any fullback in a game or even a half, so having Babel target him is unlikely to make a difference.

I didn't exactly mean with Babel (you're right about that Bolton game,they had to sub Steinsson) but i meant he can be gotten at.
He struggles to deal with crossfield diagonal balls and his positional sense is very poor.

My Dad and brother are City season ticket holders and say he is definitely the weak link,also every time i see him play he doesn't impress me.

I think he is an accident waiting to happen,he made a name from being an English man with a left foot at a time when they had no quality left sided players and were playing Heskey wide left in the national team.

Around this time Steve Guppy and Michael Ball came through and had a good reputation too because they were left footed.
Bridge had hung around on the Chavs subs bench like a bad smell and now he is getting regular football in my opinion he is getting exposed as an average player.

[trucker]

Bridge had hung around on the Chavs subs bench like a bad smell and now he is getting regular football in my opinion he is getting exposed as an average player.

I read somewhere recentley he's the worlds highest paid fullback contract worth £6m a year, brilliant agent that boy has, baffling when you think about it.

[graham]

I read somewhere recentley he's the worlds highest paid fullback contract worth £6m a year, brilliant agent that boy has, baffling when you think about it.

Makes you wonder what type of money Johnson turned down to join us in the summer. Players like Glen are a rare breed

[ROCCO]

I read somewhere recentley he's the worlds highest paid fullback contract worth £6m a year, brilliant agent that boy has, baffling when you think about it.

Ive been told <£80k a week ..... about <£4m per year

Liverpools top 3 earners for 2009

Steven Gerrard.... 541k a month.. £124k a week.. £6.5m a year
Fernando Torres... 450k a month.. £105k a week.. £5.5m a year
Jamie Carragher... 383k a month.. £88k a week.. £4.6m a year

[wheeliekop]

Ive been told <£80k a week ..... about <£4m per year

Liverpools top 3 earners for 2009

Steven Gerrard.... 541k a month.. £124k a week.. £6.5m a year
Fernando Torres... 450k a month.. £105k a week.. £5.5m a year
Jamie Carragher... 383k a month.. £88k a week.. £4.6m a year


huge money but i can only guess what de mancs and chelski are on

[byrnie]

I read somewhere recentley he's the worlds highest paid fullback contract worth £6m a year, brilliant agent that boy has, baffling when you think about it.

That says it all about what football is about at the moment.

[Niall]

Torn hamstrings cleared within two weeks is incredible.

Rafa Benitez today revealed how four of his injured stars could be fit for Man City after flying to Serbia for 'special treatment'.
Albert Riera and Yossi Benayoun were due to be out for another two weeks with hamstring problems but could now feature on Saturday after the much-publicised journey to eastern Europe.

Benitez was so pleased with the treatment they received that he sent Fabio Aurelio and Glen Johnson to Serbia for work on their muscle injuries.

All four players are now back in Merseyside and have taken part in full training sessions for the past two days.

Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv: "You know people have talked about them going to Serbia for special treatment and that's true. We had a lot of reports of international players going there, so we sent some players.

"They are now training so we will see if they can play. They have trained for the last two days.

"It has been good. There are other names from different teams who have been doing this treatment for seven years.

"It is a curative program for players with muscle injuries and it works well."

The major injury headache confronting Benitez before the international break has now almost cleared, with Steven Gerrard, David Ngog and Daniel Agger all passed fit for City.

Fernando Torres is the only senior star still in the treatment room.

Benitez added: "He is improving. He had a plan of two or three weeks, he's following this and improving."

[Goulet]

If those lads make it, it would be a huge boost. still without torres where will the goals come from?

[KOPSTAR]

:confused:ANY LINKS FOR CITY GAME LADSIf those lads make it, it would be a huge boost. still without torres where will the goals come from?

[paulwex]

It will be on this site tommorrow
www.iraqgoals.net ;)

[KOPSTAR]

It has been a funny season, just hope all players get back to full fitness asap,please god then we see the real pool

[KOPSTAR]

Ta p

[liamo3]

Team for tomorrow

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carra, Insua, Benayoun, Mashcerano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Ngog

[Daz]

Team for tomorrow

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carra, Insua, Benayoun, Mashcerano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Ngog

do you really think he;ll risk Yossi Liam.?

[bobby benitez]

Team for tomorrow

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carra, Insua, Benayoun, Mashcerano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Ngog

Nando on the bench?

[liamo3]

I'm told thats the actual team Darren so he must be

[djdwainec]

I'm told thats the actual team Darren so he must be

where'd u get that from liamo?? no aquillani again :(

[sean]

Team for tomorrow

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carra, Insua, Benayoun, Mashcerano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Ngog

Deadly.

3-0

[STEVE1978]

Team for tomorrow

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carra, Insua, Benayoun, Mashcerano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Ngog

Cheers Liamo.
3 points a must tomorrow, get the confidence back and hopefully get a run going.

[vincenzo]

Team for tomorrow

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Carra, Insua, Benayoun, Mashcerano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Ngog
Should be 3 points with that team. Any word on Nando??

[scousepaddy]

cant wait for this one!! will be some game

[GaryMc]

cant wait for this one!! will be some game

Did you get sorted for a ticket in the end:D

[scousepaddy]

Did you get sorted for a ticket in the end:D

yeah some sap from the country got me sorted!:D

[JAMIE]

I have a spare kids ticket for this match if anyone wants to try it

[wheeliekop]

[QUOTE=djdwainec;263210]where'd u get that from liamo?? no aquillani again :([/Q
where is aqua??

[Maverick]

Is Aquilani def out?

[kazzermac1]

three points today and lets get the season back up and running
thought aquilani would be ready even on the bench for todays game
come on the mighty red men

[stevieg]

This game is there for the taking, City defence has been fairly poor all season and Adebayor and Tevez can't seem to score lately. Think they will start De Jong which will give them a bit more steel in midfield and defensively.

Happy to see Ngog start again, will stand to him all this game time while Torres is out and he is able to score goals.

Need a big game from Kuyt today as he has been poor enough recently.

Yossi will need to help out Insua on the left as can see City trying to get the ball to Wright-Phillips to take him on.

Lets the get the wheels back in motion.

[SHOWTIME]

Kuyt should be dropped.He's out on his legs and very poor lately.

C'mon now lads.Today is when our season finally motors on.

LIVERPOOL TILL I DIE!!

[RedDrog]

C'mon Redmen.
We need to get going today.....

[edcarroll02]

Is auelio not fit at the moment, insua is frustrating the hell out of me at the moment! He's decent in defense and loves getting forward but his final ball is shocking! Think aurelio is a better option there if fit!

Also was Reading rafa's game notes and he mentioned martin Kelly as an injury concern, is this lad a first team player now, looks like a great player, at full back that is.

[Paul]

Confirmed team
Reina, Skrtel, Carragher, Agger, Insua, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Babel, Ngog. Subs: Cavalieri, Aquilani, El Zhar, Aurelio, Riera, Benayoun, Kyrgiakos.

[Paul]

P.S Johnson not fit enough for bench :(

[muller]

carra right back, oh dear :(

[ernieglenman]

All need to step up to the plate here and turn our season around.

C'mon the reds.

[prendy]

Confirmed team
Reina, Skrtel, Carragher, Agger, Insua, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Babel, Ngog. Subs: Cavalieri, Aquilani, El Zhar, Aurelio, Riera, Benayoun, Kyrgiakos.

dont like the look of carra at RB against bellamy. hopefully babel puts in a big game and ngog keeps playing the way he has been.

[D5Hoop]

All need to step up to the plate here and turn our season around.

C'mon the reds.

100% Agreed.....Starting with three points today

[jimmy]

Hope Ngog keeps improving by sticking in a couple today, big game for babel too.
C'mon da pool!!!

[Maverick]

Great start from our boys come on the pool!!

[D5Hoop]

ANYONE GOT A LINK - F**kING SKY IS DOWN

[Maverick]

Try myp2p mate,hope Danny Agger will be ok

[Maverick]

ANYONE GOT A LINK - F**kING SKY IS DOWN

If that doesnt work try boards.ie to find a link.Hope this helps.

[Tarabuses]

Agger off isn't a good start.

[kazzermac1]

all we need another injury

[kazzermac1]

cant see him last to much longer

[Maverick]

all we need another injury

I know the only luck we have is bad luck!!

[kazzermac1]

I know the only luck we have is bad luck!!

no bad luck is what ireland have

[kazzermac1]

2 subs in 10 mins my god

[Tarabuses]

When is this injury jinx going to leave us?

[loppy]

gerrard getting on to babel. Get up and on with it.

[kazzermac1]

dont think the gods r liverpool fans

[loppy]

2 changes in 20mins. F**k. Not too impressed with babel, reckon he could have ran it off, didn't look that bad.

[Andrew]

footy-first on tvu player is working perfect.

S**t, as I type, it goes down :(

Saw this on boards.ie

http://livoo.tv/en/file.php?f=1

[kazzermac1]

hard luck stevie

[carpe diem]

Not too impressed with babel, reckon he could have ran it off, didn't look that bad.

thanks for that expert input doctor.

[stevieg05]

2 changes in 20mins. F**k. Not too impressed with babel, reckon he could have ran it off, didn't look that bad.

Give the man a break ffs he's injured, nothin he can do

[carpe diem]

footy-first on tvu player is working perfect.

S**t, as I type, it goes down :(

Saw this on boards.ie

http://livoo.tv/en/file.php?f=1

if you have sopcast its on www.magedtv.net/ch1

[SHOWTIME]

2 changes in 20mins. F**k. Not too impressed with babel, reckon he could have ran it off, didn't look that bad.

What a stupid fcuking comment!!He'd obviously wanna come off especially after getting his first start in ages!!

[kazzermac1]

come on ngog

[D5Hoop]

If that doesnt work try boards.ie to find a link.Hope this helps.

sorted , got sky back...cheers

[kazzermac1]

bring on the second half

[D7Hooper]

http://www.atdhe.net/10539/watch-liverpool-vs-manchester-city
Seems to work, not great though, a bit like Liverpool today!! I regret picking us to be a team to score three goals in the prem prediction game

[shibox]

[QUOTE= I regret picking us to be a team to score three goals in the prem prediction game[/QUOTE]

oops :o

[MrsPepe]

http://iraqgoals.net/ch5.html

http://p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=8605&link=1

http://espns-live.com/?url=http://espns-live.com/bet5.html ch 12/15/17

[RedArmagh]

anybody else think it was a two footed challenge by de jong that injured babel? you cant do that. hoping for a better 2nd half

[Andrew]

Get in Skrytel!!!

[MrsPepe]

good man Martin, delighted for him:D

[RedArmagh]

gr8 ball by stevie, well done skrtel, now lets push on

[SHOWTIME]

Go on Skrtel!!Ya fcuking good thing!!

[D5Hoop]

Get in Skrytel!!!

[carpe diem]

well in big martin !!

[diceyreilly]

City playing a bit better since the goal. Lets get 1 more wrap it up

[kazzermac1]

well done benny good tracking back

[CHARMAC]

City playing a bit better since the goal. Lets get 1 more wrap it up

Yeah I think we'll need it

[kazzermac1]

sloppy

[RedArmagh]

thats fcuking disgraceful marking. what was skrtel doing?

[D5Hoop]

ah b****x

[kazzermac1]

12 gaols from set peices this season {bad}

[CHARMAC]

Disgraseful defending :(

[kazzermac1]

here we go again

[D5Hoop]

here we go again

I sincerely hope not !!!!:mad:

[MrsStevieG]

This is what happens when you sit back and invite them on after going a goal up. Thats what we get unfortunately.

Come on lads, start using the ball and get this game back on track!!!!.

[RedArmagh]

Fcuk this. skrtel sleeping again. 2-1 down

[kazzermac1]

****ing hell did they fall asleep nobody picking ireland up

[Andrew]

FFS. Bad to worse.

Come on the pool! Time for a comeback!

[LUCAN RED!!!]

omg offside

[MCLOCO]

yoooosssssssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[RedArmagh]

lucky goal. first bit of luck weve got. now get aqua on

[kazzermac1]

well done benny come the migthy red men get a 3rd

[MrsStevieG]

Thats it!!! Come on liverpool!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON!!

[Andrew]

That's what I'm talkin bout!! One more now!

[D5Hoop]

come on the f**K - three points needed !!!!!

[kazzermac1]

4 gaols in 22mins

[D5Hoop]

good stop

[LUCAN RED!!!]

c`mon

[RedArmagh]

fcuk sake rafa - why not aquilani? bringing on aurelio instead?!

[D5Hoop]

aquilani - why wasn't he brought on ?

[RedArmagh]

cos rafa whats to play with the two holding midfielders at home when we arent winning. BAFFLING

[Deigo008]

two holding players at home what a joke

[D5Hoop]

cos rafa whats to play with the two holding midfielders at home when we arent winning. BAFFLING

very strange - i really think we need three points today and he he makes that substitution :confused::confused::confused:

[kazzermac1]

****ing hit it masco

[D5Hoop]

come on redman - last chance

[LUCAN RED!!!]

c`mn

[D5Hoop]

come on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LUCAN RED!!!]

jasus

[D5Hoop]

ecellent chance .......f**KS sake

[kazzermac1]

any body but lucas

[stevieg05]

Lucas!!!!!!!!!!! What a sitter!

[kazzermac1]

same shit diff day,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Andrew]

Lucas won himself no fans there anyway.

So. Another 2 points dropped. Just want this season to end so we can sort out our problems.

[D5Hoop]

rotten result - needed three points......one win in ten,disgraceful !!!!!

[LUCAN RED!!!]

f**kin cnut

[MCLOCO]

ahh well

[kazzermac1]

1 win in 10 ganes come on lads give us something to cheer

[RedArmagh]

how did lucas miss? shouldnt have been on that late with aquilani on bench. Disgrace. Am sick and tired of us this season. Not good enough Rafa. One win from TEN? At this rate he shouldnt be in the job.

[Jockser]

the way we just completely stopped playing after the first goal was digusting. who told them to do that and play deep? another disgrace

[Deigo008]

one win in 10 didnt realise it was that bad!!!!! Thats the form of the likes of Hull,Stoke ect

[LUCAN RED!!!]

city set a prem record- 6 draws in a row!

[murtyd]

that was a great chance for Lucas at the end to take the 3 points. Strange aquaman didn't come on at all

[marathonman]

If insua can't mark swp then take him off, don't bring another player on to do his job .why did el zhar and especially acquilani not come on. never looked like winning that game. players were all over the place.
Very hard to watch.

[prendy]

one win in 10 didnt realise it was that bad!!!!! Thats the form of the likes of Hull,Stoke ect

stoke have way better form than us. not sure about hull but i'd imagine were bottom of the PL form table.



that was pathetic, no impetus going forward at all and playing two holding players when chasing a lead at home?????

i would have taken off a CB dropped masc to RB and move Carra to CB.

Why oh why cant we just get our act together.

[RedArmagh]

the way we just completely stopped playing after the first goal was digusting. who told them to do that and play deep? another disgrace

were always going to be deep with ngog isolated and two holding midfielders playing. cant understand leaving our 20m signing on bench. aquilani looked miffed and rightly so. the season is tits up.

[stevieg05]

All the criticism again.....do ye realise we had 2 players off injured in the 1st 20 mins, a winger and a centre back, so we only had 1 sub left at d end and rafa chose aurelio because of his crosses and set pieces. If we had still 3 at the end im sure aquilani wud have come on

[RedArmagh]

All the criticism again.....do ye realise we had 2 players off injured in the 1st 20 mins, a winger and a centre back, so we only had 1 sub left at d end and rafa chose aurelio because of his crosses and set pieces. If we had still 3 at the end im sure aquilani wud have come on

yes we realise but aurelio had 1 freekick (overhit) and two corners - hardly enough to justify bringing him on. he even only hit the corners from one side! aquilani should have been used. FULLSTOP

[stalker]

Disease of a season so far.

yes we realise but aurelio had 1 freekick (overhit) and two corners - hardly enough to justify bringing him on. he even only hit the corners from one side! aquilani should have been used. FULLSTOP

What difference would it have made?

Hopefully the FAI will come out and demand the match be replayed. Seeing as Stephen Ireland was offside for his goal and all.

[marathonman]

All the criticism again.....do ye realise we had 2 players off injured in the 1st 20 mins, a winger and a centre back, so we only had 1 sub left at d end and rafa chose aurelio because of his crosses and set pieces. If we had still 3 at the end im sure aquilani wud have come on

Aurelio came on to cover for insua because he was getting roasted by swp, not for his crossing or set pieces.

[RedArmagh]

Disease of a season so far.



What difference would it have made?

An attacking creative midfielder instead of either holding midfielder? Perhaps the difference may have been two points - the reason why we bought him!

[garyc]

cant understand leaving our 20m signing on bench. aquilani looked miffed and rightly so. the season is tits up.

Because to bring on an attack minded player for the last ten minutes of a game we're drawing 2-2 would suggest we actually wanted to WIN it!!

[stalker]

Because to bring on an attack minded player for the last ten minutes of a game we're drawing 2-2 would suggest we actually wanted to WIN it!!

Yeah, lol Benitez wanted the draw 11!!!

At the end of the day we had a chance to win it, a glorious chance, and we missed it.

[stevieg05]

Aurelio came on to cover for insua because he was getting roasted by swp, not for his crossing or set pieces.

Partly because of that, he is regularly brought on towards the end of games because of his set pieces and crosses

[Jockser]

All the criticism again.....do ye realise we had 2 players off injured in the 1st 20 mins, a winger and a centre back, so we only had 1 sub left at d end and rafa chose aurelio because of his crosses and set pieces. If we had still 3 at the end im sure aquilani wud have come on whos fault was it that we completely changed our game after we scored?

[stalker]

whos fault was it that we completely changed our game after we scored?

We're just nervous as ****, everyone at the club is. The manager, the players everyone is lacking confidence. I think we just dropped back into our shell in the hope that we could see it out.

We also should've had a penalty.

[Jockser]

no it wasnt nerves it was orders from the bench

[stalker]

We're just nervous as ****, everyone at the club is. The manager, the players everyone is lacking confidence. I think we just dropped back into our shell in the hope that we could see it out.

We also should've had a penalty.

The problem we have is that we've played reasonably well in our last two matches and squandered leads by being to open. Today we threw away a lead by being too cautious.

[stevieg05]

We're just nervous as ****, everyone at the club is. The manager, the players everyone is lacking confidence. I think we just dropped back into our shell in the hope that we could see it out.

We also should've had a penalty.

Exactly, confidence is low and we are very jittery. But we responded well at the end piling on the pressure and would have won it if anyone other than lucas had that chance at the end

[RedArmagh]

we could of won if the manager had the balls to go for it.

[garyc]

we could of won if the manager had the balls to go for it.

+1

[stalker]

we could of won if the manager had the balls to go for it.

Thats bit trite. We scored two goals. Missed a clear cut chance and really should've had a penalty.

Our problem is we have so many half fit players at the minute. We lost two more players in the first twenty minutes - one of whom Daniel Agger is one of our technically better players(technically good players obviously key to playing positive football).

Yet again we played most of the match with a different defensive foursome than the week before and looked brittle any time City played some football.

[RedArmagh]

Thats bit trite. We scored two goals. Missed a clear cut chance and really should've had a penalty.

Our problem is we have so many half fit players at the minute. We lost two more players in the first twenty minutes - one of whom Daniel Agger is one of our technically better players(technically good players obviously key to playing positive football).

Yet again we played most of the match with a different defensive foursome than the week before and looked brittle any time City played some football.

at two each we brought on a left back on left wing (free signing - tho a good signing) instead of bringing on our 20m attacking midfielder. im sorry but if this is not negative i dont know what is

[kelly jones]

at two each we brought on a left back on left wing (free signing - tho a good signing) instead of bringing on our 20m attacking midfielder. im sorry but if this is not negative i dont know what is

we brought aurelio on as quite clearly insua was being roasted by swp it was the right change to make at the time and im sure had we not lost 2 subs inside 20 mins aquaman would have come on , its quite simple really

[stalker]

at two each we brought on a left back on left wing (free signing - tho a good signing) instead of bringing on our 20m attacking midfielder. im sorry but if this is not negative i dont know what is

Did Aurelio play badly when he came on or what?

I actually would've like to have seen Aquilani start alongside Mascherano. But I fail to see what Aurelio did really badly when he came on. I also fail to see how bringing on a central midfielder for a winger would've help us stretch the City defense.

[RedArmagh]

i never said aurelio done anything bad - i just felt that this was not the sub that would win us the game. benayoun did not seem injured coming off - he seemed to sprint off so we didnt need to take a left winger off. im sure benny could have lasted the final 5mins ok. rafa was obviously being careful with him. i simply felt a more creative player like aquilani could have been much more effective as well as the boost it would have given the players and the crowd seeing our 20m signing coming onto the pitch.

[Malzheimer]

at two each we brought on a left back on left wing (free signing - tho a good signing) instead of bringing on our 20m attacking midfielder. im sorry but if this is not negative i dont know what is

I'm sorry but how is it negative? Aurelio showed against the mancs and in other games he can be a good attacking LM as well as providing cover for Insua and can deliver dangerous set pieces. I'm sure if Agger didn't have to go off we would of seen Aquilani for 20 minutes

I'm pretty sure Fabio was brought on today because Yossi pulled his hammy last week and had ran himself into the ground for 70 minutes today. That is unheard of from a player that had this injury the week before. I'm sure Rafa would only have used Yossi if he was forced to today. Therefore to prevent more damage to the player he was taken off. You can't bring a creative cental midfield player on to play on the left as the balance would have been all wrong imo.

The injuries and constant enforced changes each week are killing us. It is impossible to gather any momentum and it is clear at times the players are confused to who is meant to be doing what job with all the postional changes.

Still should of won it with Lucas's chance, two points dropped, still confident we will finish top 4 easily enough in the end.

[stalker]

Personally I'm more concerned about our defending than our ability to score.

I'm not set in stone for or against zonal marking. But why the **** were neither Kyriagos or Skrtel anwhere near Adebayor? Bloody hell. Really hope the obvious problem, the constant reshuffling of the defence since the start of the season, is at the root of it. Could also be a case that teams smell blood when they have corners against us and pile more bodies into the box than they might against teams with a better reputation.

I agree with the general consensus that this is one hell of a shite season so far.

[Alex Raisbeck]

at two each we brought on a left back on left wing (free signing - tho a good signing) instead of bringing on our 20m attacking midfielder. im sorry but if this is not negative i dont know what is

Aurelio was brought on to counter Wright Philips having the better of Insua.

[garyc]

I agree with the general consensus that this is one hell of a shite season so far.

Dont you think thats a bit of "knee jerk reaction"????:p

[wonit5times]

anyone any pics of the dont buy the s*n banner on the kop today??

[Alex Raisbeck]

Skrtel for the first time looked good in attack. Nearly scored in the first attack, then got in well for his goal.
Unfortunately I would blame him for both goals.
The first was in his zone when adebayour got to it, the second he should have poked out of play before tevez got the move going. Thats the kind of thing carra never ever gets caught out on. Injuries are really killing us. Just like the ireland match the other night, the 2 injuries limited our options in the second half.

[rkdanny]

I'm really disapointed with today's performance and of the course the result. What's even more worrying is a club like Liverpool's starting a player that would struggle in the championship. David Ngog is not Liverpool standard and wouldn't touch any of the big clubs bench ! It's a disgrace that he is our back up to Torres ! I try not to be negative but this guy's 1st touch and control of the ball is terrible !

[Aido82]

After todays match

we lie 13 points off the leaders
3 points clear of burnley and stoke

commentator stated that we have now conceded more goals from set plays that pompy :eek: thats bad

results so far

Lost 2-1 spurs
won 4-0 stoke
lost 3-1 villa
won 3-2 bolton
won 4-0 burnley
won 3-2 west ham
won 6-1 hull
lost 2-0 chavs
lost 1-0 sunderland
won 2-0 man utd
lost 3-1 fulham
drew 2-2 brum
drew 2-2 man city

next up is
Everton
BBurn
Arsenal


we are really missing some class players at the moment(Torres, johnston, agger).

Lucas is not gonna cut it, get him out put aqualani in the middle, dirk kuyt needs to be dropped he is playing terrible at the minute. Babel, could have played on if he wanted to, he is too much of a moaner to cut it here, its time to cut the crap and let some of the dead wood go. Ill even go as far as saying insua looks like he cant cut it.

Zonal marking cost us get again, no men on the post, no men marking - adebyore had a free header for god sake.

The title is gone, lets be honest about it, europe could be gone come tuesday.

[SOC]

Disappointed with the result and performance today, we gave them to much time and space during the game. I thought Kuyt had a particularly poor game today, he has been struggling of late. Unlucky with 2 players subbed inside 20 mins but I never felt we would get the win when they equalised. Gerrard didnt get a strangle hold on the game, he only had 2/3 good bits of play. Ngog tries to hold onto the ball too long when at times a simple pass is on. I know he is only young but we need better cover than him for Fernando Torres. Hopefully next weekend the Derby could be the perfect game to g-up the boys and get a result to kick us on a run.

[garyc]

I'm really disapointed with today's performance and of the course the result. What's even more worrying is a club like Liverpool's starting a player that would struggle in the championship. David Ngog is not Liverpool standard and wouldn't touch any of the big clubs bench ! It's a disgrace that he is our back up to Torres ! I try not to be negative but this guy's 1st touch and control of the ball is terrible !

I think Ngog shows promise of being a good player but some times his final decision making could be better, but that will come with time!!

But you're probably right in that he isnt quite good enough to lead the line as a lone striker YET!!
Give the lad a chance though!!;)

We will find it very hard however to attract a world class striker because they will know that they are basically coming to play as a back up to nando!!
Especially after crimbo when most of the top strikers are gonna have one eye firmly on catchin their national flights to South Africa!
What we REALLY need is to be buying a player who will be challenging Torres for a place on the team (of course we all know thats NEVER gonna happen!!:mad:)

[diceyreilly]

Defending of corners and free kicks is really so poor, no other team seems to conceed as many as us, and attacking wise our free kicks are brutal.

[garyc]

Defending of corners and free kicks is really so poor, no other team seems to conceed as many as us, and attacking wise our free kicks are brutal.

Zonal marking:In the words of the great Andy Grey................
"space never scored a goal!!"

[vincenzo]

We're just nervous as ****, everyone at the club is. The manager, the players everyone is lacking confidence. I think we just dropped back into our shell in the hope that we could see it out.

We also should've had a penalty.

When??

[D7Hooper]

Strange day all round, we go ahead after a woeful (from both sides) first half, then the man who got us in front forgets how to defend and gifts them the first and then tries to see out a ball that was never reaching the dead ball line, quazimodo makes a mug of him and we go two down,(the langer was onside). Straight up the pitch, a glimpse of positivity and hey presto we equalise. The fact we retreated after the first goal is down to both the players and manager. There is a negativity at times about this team which undermines any good work going forward. Obviously low confidence has it's part to play aswell. The early subs were a blow but I think we had plenty of time to get to grips with the situation. Fabio came on because Insua isn't up to the job yet and the fact the greek was hobbling, so he might have had to slot in at the back.
Not our worst performance by a long way but where the hell was Stevie today, looked totally uninterested and was far too quite and before people say " he's just back from injury", so was Yossi but I certainly think he put more into the game than Stevie. And as usual dirk was a complete donkey, nowhere near good enough for Liverpool.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Didn't we once go almost a year without conceding from a set piece or something?Think it was finally broken against Reading away when Hobbs made his debut?Hard to believe going on recent form.We look really,really vulnerable at the back.It pains me to say it but being honest Carragher and Skrtel have become liabilities this season.Marty's fault for both goals imo.

[mousey]

We were lucky not to be beaten again today. Had we not scored straight after the City second I'm not sure we would have gotten an equalizer. Having Aqualani on the bench and needing something creative is frustrating when you have Lucas and Mascher in midfield. Lucas missed a glorious chance at the death to pinch the 3 points too. I understand why Rafa brought on Aurelio - but dont understand how SWP outjumped our Greek Cyclops at the far post???

positives (if any) today - Gerrard's return. Arsenal and Villa both dropping points.

After Fulham away I knew the title wont be coming home in May. Its a race for a Champions League spot this season. A race thats gonna go to the wire I feel. Sad reality but we must keep going.

[Alex Raisbeck]

.It pains me to say it but being honest Carragher and Skrtel have become liabilities this season.Marty's fault for both goals imo.

I think Carra has gotten over his slump and we need him and Agger (no luck at all) anchoring the defence. He'd never have let tevez get that ball it'd have been in row z.
Skrtel is not playing well at all. It's like the responsibility of being the more experienced (in regard to Liverpool career) centre back is weighing him down.

[D7Hooper]

positives (if any) today - Gerrard's return. Arsenal and Villa both dropping points.

I's good that the others dropped points, but Stevie did next to nothing today, especially in the second half when the pace of the game picked up, I just hope he was saving himself for tuesday.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

where the hell was Stevie today, looked totally uninterested and was far too quite and before people say " he's just back from injury", so was Yossi but I certainly think he put more into the game than Stevie. And as usual dirk was a complete donkey, nowhere near good enough for Liverpool.


Stevie is having a shite season by his own incredible standards because he's used to Xabi playing quick,short,sharp passes to feet.Without Alonso in the side I've noticed him more and more dropping deep looking for possession.I rate him as the best all-rounder on the planet but if there is one fault with stevie it's his discipline in holding his position sometimes.He goes into captain fantastic mode and runs around like a headless chicken trying to do too much on his own.Unfortunately,when he does get the ball he's too far from goal,and theres a big gap between the midfield and lone striker-i.e.-the area of the pitch he should be occupying.Hopefully Aquilani's passing range will change all that once he's 100% fit.I adore Stevie as a player-Just an observation and a possible explanation as to why his form's dipped.

[vincenzo]

In all fairness to Gerrard he has missed the last few games and his match sharpness is not going to be 100%. I thought he did ok today. He got some good tackles in first half but looked a bit weary towards the end, but thats to be expected.

[RedPaddy]

After todays match

we lie 13 points off the leaders
3 points clear of burnley and stoke

we are really missing some class players at the moment(Torres, johnston, agger).

Lucas is not gonna cut it, get him out put aqualani in the middle, dirk kuyt needs to be dropped he is playing terrible at the minute. Babel, could have played on if he wanted to, he is too much of a moaner to cut it here, its time to cut the crap and let some of the dead wood go. Ill even go as far as saying insua looks like he cant cut it.

Zonal marking cost us get again, no men on the post, no men marking - adebyore had a free header for god sake.

The title is gone, lets be honest about it, europe could be gone come tuesday.

+1

thought the ref was bad today....Tevez comes on, promptly sits on his ar*e & gets a free & our player booked!
2 handballs in the peno area missed & that traitor Irelands offside goal missed! :mad:

I still think Rafa is the man for the job, but i´ve said it before, Arbeloa, Sami & Xabi SHOULD NEVER have been allowed to go! who the fcuk cares about the money we got for any of them, when one sees how far we´ve come up short this year!
We played out last season brilliantly (bar Arse game) yet Rafas answer was to let 3 settled consistant players go! & buy another Danny Agger-esque injury prone player in Aquaman!:mad:
& as has been said on here, why on God´s earth are we even contemplating winning anything with no back-up for Torres! - this is after over 4 years Rafa!??:confused::rolleyes:
why didnt he lump the money wasted on DRossena, LUseles etc & buy someone like Defoe!
Im sick of the migranes I´ve been getting from out games this season:mad::mad::mad:

[Juan]

In all fairness to Gerrard he has missed the last few games and his match sharpness is not going to be 100%. I thought he did ok today. He got some good tackles in first half but looked a bit weary towards the end, but thats to be expected.

Thats true....he looked shattered in the 2nd half.
his fitness was not 100% today....though his commitment and effort was.

[gowinit6times]

Stevie is having a shite season by his own incredible standards because he's used to Xabi playing quick,short,sharp passes to feet.Without Alonso in the side I've noticed him more and more dropping deep looking for possession.I rate him as the best all-rounder on the planet but if there is one fault with stevie it's his discipline in holding his position sometimes.He goes into captain fantastic mode and runs around like a headless chicken trying to do too much on his own.Unfortunately,when he does get the ball he's too far from goal,and theres a big gap between the midfield and lone striker-i.e.-the area of the pitch he should be occupying.Hopefully Aquilani's passing range will change all that once he's 100% fit.I adore Stevie as a player-Just an observation and a possible explanation as to why his form's dipped.

I'd agree with that 100%. We are big-time missing a playmaker in midfield to link defence and attack. The amount of long balls played from the back since Alonso left has increased because Lucas and Masch aren't confident enough in their ability on the ball. Consequently the service to the front men is too predictable with a lot of long straight passes. Gerrard has suffered as a result of this lack of service. Hopefully Aquilani can develop into that link man.

The rest of this season should be used to try a few of the younger lads out because there is a fair bit of deadwood who just haven't cut the mustard.

On the team selection issues Aurelio should start before Insua, whilst the form of Skrtel and Kuyt has been well below par. Kuyt in particular, whilst giving his usual 100% committment has been very poor this season.

[Tarabuses]

When is this nightmare going to end. All these injuries for a team that really doesn't have cover in depth to cope with them. It makes it very difficult to judge to what extent things can be retrieved when everyone is back (if that ever happens).

[D-Red]

I've seldom felt so pissed off after a game. I've not read through the last few pages. Can someone please tell me why Aquilani didnt start? And why he wasnt brought on?

[RedPaddy]

& of course the bitters bent over as usual for slur alex, but you can bet your life they´ll burst a gut against us next week!
They´re record against the scum is below USELESS !:mad:

[rafalabamba]

What a bad fcuking week?!So dissapointed after all the hope after last years brilliant season and all that is tarnished by the end of November, it sickens me watching the Chavs destroy every team each week, and to make it worse they are probably going to sign Kun Aguero in xmas. Didnt watch the match today and dont think i want to, the posts on the thread tell the whole story, Going ahead, Conceding, Injuries, Bad Defending and chances to win it, lets hope Lyon do us a favour on Tuesday and try save this season by a good run in the champ league and im confident we'll be in it in 2011

[stamullen red]

when rafa sits down with his coaching staff and analyses the game will they look at the goals conceded gloss over them which seems to be happening and then move on to the next game because if a junior team continued to concede goals from set pieces i can assure you that the manager without the benefit of replays and seeing his team everyday for training would get it sorted.
it is smply not good enough that we continue with the zonal marking again a free header and no player on the back post fooking dreadful absolutley dreadful,do any of the coaches/players have an input into the way we defend or do they just turn there heads during meetings or stare at the ceiling in case they are asked a question and have not got the balls to tell the manager HELLO RAFA ZONAL MARKING IS NOT WORKING,i was never a fan of the zonal crap but has it got worse since pelegrini became involved as for stevie g his body language is of a player that is pissed off and at times he looks totally disinterested

[sallycinnamon]

Tough time to be a Liverpool fan just feels like the bad run will never end. I never put Liverpool in my footie bet on a Sat but stuck them in this week cos I was convinced they were due the win n would get it. Any team would find it tough with our injury list but still a couple of players that shouldn't be there Insua way too slow, Lucas lot's of heart but not good enough and I know he didn't play today but Voronin it's just not funny to see him in a Liverpool Jersey . I've given up trying to blame someone manager, owners etc I think they are all to blame to be honest Yanks are tossers but Benitez isn't much better. Hopefully injury crisis clears up and we nail at least 4th spot becuase at this stage it looks like we will have to fight for that :-(

[stamullenredmen]

the big question for me is why is reina so rooted to his line for corners?he couldve claimed that one adeboyor scored off.having said that i dont know what skrtel was at and i thought hed done well up to then.i honestly think we miss sami more than xabi this season were ****ing crap off set pieces now

[gleonard]

agree regarding having men on the posts, I really find it inexcusable, mind you plenty of top clubs often ignore it

can't get over Adebayors goal. From where I was sitting I presumed a whistle had been blown cause our defense just stood still. Conceding a goal to Adebayor because he physically outjumps a defender is fair enough, but giving him an acre of space and having nobody on the posts is ridiculous.

I didn't think City were great today at all. Liverpool were vulnerable particulalry at left back but they hardly used Wright-Phillips pace at all. They crowded the midfield well though in the first half which highlighted our lack of creativity there. Mascherano was good today but himself and Lucas just don't work together.

Carras yellow card was ridiculous, his first foul of the game, a blatant dive and right in front of the linesmen.

I thought both teams were poor today. The standard of premier league football in general this season is poor. It says it all when the team at the top of the table can afford to carry washed up players like Deco and Ballack in their midfield and Darren Fletcher is seen as one of the most influential players in th league. Our team from last year would walk away with this years league....

[D-Red]

Ah stamullen, mate, in fairness now, Reina can only do so much.

He's such a class act, but if you leave one of the most reputable forwards in the country to get a free header from 5 yards out then it reflects badly upon the defensive set-up (or lack of it), but not Reina.

Reina did all he could again today, and actually he played the best pass of the match himself, a long driven accurate pass to the right wing. It was magic.

Reina is the least of our worries, solid, reliable, consistant, unflappable. Its the rest of our defensive unit I'd be worried about, certainly not Reina.

[D-Red]

agree regarding having men on the posts, I really find it inexcusable, mind you plenty of top clubs often ignore it

can't get over Adebayors goal. From where I was sitting I presumed a whistle had been blown cause our defense just stood still. Conceding a goal to Adebayor because he physically outjumps a defender is fair enough, but giving him an acre of space and having nobody on the posts is ridiculous.

I didn't think City were great today at all. Liverpool were vulnerable particulalry at left back but they hardly used Wright-Phillips pace at all. They crowded the midfield well though in the first half which highlighted our lack of creativity there. Mascherano was good today but himself and Lucas just don't work together.

Carras yellow card was ridiculous, his first foul of the game, a blatant dive and right in front of the linesmen.

I thought both teams were poor today. The standard of premier league football in general this season is poor. It says it all when the team at the top of the table can afford to carry washed up players like Deco and Ballack in their midfield and Darren Fletcher is seen as one of the most influential players in th league. Our team from last year would walk away with this years league....

Good man, thats a very true and accurate post. Fair play.

[bono]

Sad at this stage of the season that i'm watching out for the other challengers to the top 4 positions results (after our own)& not towards the top of the table where we should be it's very annoying.

How many time's have we lost a lead this season? Injury list wrecking my head too.

[4tothefloor]

Poor result, shocking performance.

It's like groundhog day at Anfield these days - zonal marking costs us yet again, strange/poor tactical decisions/substitutions by Rafa, the same players not stepping up to the mark week-in week-out and most of our supposed top players not performing either.

Both City goals were a joke defensively with Skrtel (twice), Kyrgiakos and Insua all at fault. Reina continues to be rooted to his line instead of coming for crosses. No players on either post continues to kill us. This is going on for over 2 seasons now, is this supposed to be top class coaching? It's just a running joke at this stage.

Aurelio brought on instead of Aquilani when a blind man could see City were walking all over us because the inept Lucas and Mascherano could not keep the ball?? Poor decision. Kuyt very poor again. Gerrard is lost as well - Aquilani has more creativity in his left testicle than Lucas and Mascherano put together, yet he's left on the bench. Gerrard is getting no supply and no chances and thus keeps having to drop deep to try and start something.

If City had anything about them they'd have beaten us well, 66% possession but could not pick a final pass time and time again. That said, had we anything about us, their defence was shocking. Another lucky equaliser to get us off the hook once more. Just not good enough, we're doing very little right at the moment.

[SHOWTIME]

Will someone tell me how Kuyt finishes every fcuking match???He was fcuking brutal again today and I am fcuking sick to the back teeth of Rafas refusal to take him off or drop him!!

And spending 20 million to leave a player rot on the bench when we need him more than ever is just ridicuous.He's gotta drop Lucas or Masher and start Aquaman every fcuking match!!

We were only missing 2 first choices players today before the match started so this injury crisis nosense is starting to wear thin.

I can't believe how shocking we were today.They were there for the taking but we didn't grasp the bull by the horns again!!

I still can't believe how bad we are playing and far we are behind.

I still back the team to the hilt but something has to be done cause our season is in disarray.

And the those Bluenose cnuts rolling over for the dirty scum is the icing on the cake!! >:(

[Shay]

Poor result, shocking performance.

It's like groundhog day at Anfield these days - zonal marking costs us yet again, strange/poor tactical decisions/substitutions by Rafa, the same players not stepping up to the mark week-in week-out and most of our supposed top players not performing either.

Both City goals were a joke defensively with Skrtel (twice), Kyrgiakos and Insua all at fault. Reina continues to be rooted to his line instead of coming for crosses. No players on either post continues to kill us. This is going on for over 2 seasons now, is this supposed to be top class coaching? It's just a running joke at this stage.

Aurelio brought on instead of Aquilani when a blind man could see City were walking all over us because the inept Lucas and Mascherano could not keep the ball?? Poor decision. Kuyt very poor again. Gerrard is lost as well - Aquilani has more creativity in his left testicle than Lucas and Mascherano put together, yet he's left on the bench. Gerrard is getting no supply and no chances and thus keeps having to drop deep to try and start something.

If City had anything about them they'd have beaten us well, 66% possession but could not pick a final pass time and time again. That said, had we anything about us, their defence was shocking. Another lucky equaliser to get us off the hook once more. Just not good enough, we're doing very little right at the moment.

Poor performance from the defence today, Insua in particular couldn't handle swp and imo Aurelio was effective when he came on. Not sure how you can criticise substitutions with two forced in the first twenty?


And spending 20 million to leave a player rot on the bench when we need him more than ever is just ridicuous.He's gotta drop Lucas or Masher and start Aquaman every fcuking match!!


Any pre-match plan to put Aqualani on was pretty much blown out of the water in the first 20 mins when we were left with one change. I didn't think the Aurelio change was a poor choice at all given the circumstances

We're firing at 50% at the moment and with the amount of bad luck we're getting it's so fcuking difficult to watch

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Wouldn't slate Rafa over the subs personally.Aquilani has played only 15 & 8 minutes respectively all season so to chuck him in the deep end and expect him to start such an important game against a quality side just wasn't feasible imo.Within the first 20 minutes we were desperately unlucky to make 2 forced substitutions-a winger and a defender.Then as time ticked away we only had one sub left-at the time SWP was beginning to give Insua a bit of a roasting and you could see Yossi was shattered having just come back from injury and played more of the game than Rafa would have liked.Fabio offered support for Insua as well as offering a threat going forward and with his dead ball ability so I could understand completely why Rafa brought him on.

I wanted to see Aquilani on the park as much as anyone and I've no doubt Rafa would have introduced him had he not been forced into using up his substitutions earlier in the game so I don't want to see or hear any of this "bizarre" or "baffling" bollox in tomorrows papers regarding the subs today.

[Gerry]

Will someone tell me how Kuyt finishes every fcuking match???He was fcuking brutal again today and I am fcuking sick to the back teeth of Rafas refusal to take him off or drop him!!(

He is badly out of form but he is not alone on that score, I will tell you why he finished the match today in my opinion
1- we had two subs used early on
2- yossi is just back from injury and was obviously not able for the full game

Regarding Aquilani im sure he will be played as soon as things and the player himself are ready, i will trust the manager and staff who see him every day

[SHOWTIME]

He is badly out of form but he is not alone on that score, I will tell you why he finished the match today in my opinion
1- we had two subs used early on
2- yossi is just back from injury and was obviously not able for the full game

Regarding Aquilani im sure he will be played as soon as things and the player himself are ready, i will trust the manager and staff who see him every day

That's a fair point but what about all the other times.

He always stays on no matter what.I'm just sick of it at this stage.

I'll always support him when he's on the pitch and encourage him but enough is enough.Some else deserves a run on the right now.

[D-Red]

That's a fair point but what about all the other times.

He always stays on no matter what.I'm just sick of it at this stage.

I'll always support him when he's on the pitch and encourage him but enough is enough.Some else deserves a run on the right now.

James, I'm a huge fan of kuyt, but hes been going through a rough patch lately. So have others, it happens.

But when you say drop him, who would you pick on the right instead mate?

[SHOWTIME]

James, I'm a huge fan of kuyt, but hes been going through a rough patch lately. So have others, it happens.

But when you say drop him, who would you pick on the right instead mate?

I would have Benny or Babel out there and I know I'll get slated for picking Babel ahead of him but Babel never got a consecutive run of games out there.Kuyt has been awful for ages.Can't control the ball,pass it 2 yards,pass a defender,cross a ball.

And before anyone brings up what he did last season that's in the past.

He's been hiding in certain matches too when we need all our experienced players to lead us out of this rut.

That's just my opinion bud.

[4tothefloor]

Poor performance from the defence today, Insua in particular couldn't handle swp and imo Aurelio was effective when he came on. Not sure how you can criticise substitutions with two forced in the first twenty?
Basically because Rafa chose the negative substitution over the positive one yet again. Yes SWP was roasting Insua (who hasn't roasted Insua this season? Nightmare defender) but the main reason for that was because Ireland and co had an unlimited supply to SWP. We needed someone in the centre who could pass and hold on to the ball to stop us being over-run, and also to give us a platform going forward, but instead Rafa chose Aurelio to protect Insua. Aurelio did ok when he came on but it was hardly a substitution to win the game

For Aquilani today, read Andy Reid for Ireland, for Masch and Lucas read Andrews and Whelan - same situation and idea. I hope Insua doesn't turn in to another one of Rafa's pet projects like Kuyt because he should be nowhere near the team, not Liverpool standard or even Premier League standard at all.

[SHOWTIME]

I hope Insua doesn't turn in to another one of Rafa's pet projects like Kuyt because he should be nowhere near the team, not Liverpool standard or even Premier League standard at all.

I could not agree more.Well said.

[D-Red]

I would have Benny or Babel out there and I know I'll get slated for picking Babel ahead of him but Babel never got a consecutive run of games out there.Kuyt has been awful for ages.Can't control the ball,pass it 2 yards,pass a defender,cross a ball.

And before anyone brings up what he did last season that's in the past.

He's been hiding in certain matches too when we need all our experienced players to lead us out of this rut.

That's just my opinion bud.

Thats fair enough lad.

For what its worth I cant see any point in picking a left-winger in Babel on the right wing.

And I think Rafa really loves Kuyt for his defensive duties as much as his attacking ones. If you have Yossi (or babel) in front of Johnson then the entire wing is wide open to any decent left winger on the other team.

Or thats how i'd see it anyway.

Thats not to say i'm right, just my 2 cents worth

[robbie st leger]

James, I'm a huge fan of kuyt, but hes been going through a rough patch lately. So have others, it happens.

But when you say drop him, who would you pick on the right instead mate?

i would not mind anyone else out there in particular some one who will saty out there and not keep drifting in and leaving gaping holes and no outlet - babel is always put out to the left id like to see him when fit out there for a run of games but wont happen