Fiorentina v Liverpool > CL > 29/09/09

[CrazyHorse]

Lets continue our winning run, these are not a great team and I fancy us to win by 2!!

[Maverick]

Lets continue our winning run, these are not a great team and I fancy us to win by 2!!

I agree a 2-0 win would be nice but Italy is a tough place to go.Any idea what channel bar Sky sports 2 are showing it

[MrsPepe]

Tv3 are showing it

[Rover 609]

I agree a 2-0 win would be nice but Italy is a tough place to go.Any idea what channel bar Sky sports 2 are showing it

If your stuck i imagine its on TV3,i think they have all tuesday fixtures in this seasons CL.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Keep an eye out for their left back Vargas if he's playin.Amazin going forward.

[ROCCO]

Rein
Magic Carra Skrtel Insua
Masch Lucas
Kuyt Gerrard Benayoun
Torres

Expect to beat these quite easily to be honest .....Gilardino will be a big miss for them as a decent goal threat for them

[tyronered]

hope we have a real go at them if we were to beat them we would be as good as through to knock out stages.

[1_mossy_1]

ive a feelin babel could be given the nod to start on tue nite

[rev]

Should be comfortable! Hopefully get a few early goals so rafa can take off nando and stevie early for the Chavski game!

[ROCCO]

IMO i think Rafa will keep Agger under wraps until after the Chelsea game and keep him from going on international duty for the following 2 weeks ..

[GDLUCKXABI]

I dont think they are that good but they have a good keeper and will be difficult to break down I am sure. I still expect us to win or atleast draw. I dont know a great deal about them to tell the truth but the italian league has seen a serious drop in standard int he last 5 years or so and if we can go to Inter and get a win, i really think we should be well capable of doing it here too!

[richie_lfc]

Masch and Benny out of this game. Masch is a big loss for this game.

[Kop On]

Masch and Benny out of this game. Masch is a big loss for this game.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2009/0928/1224255410942.html

Just read that now and both are a massive loss for this one!

[Fowler's God]

Bad news alright but gives an opportunity for Babel now to make a push and show his capabilities from the start.

[ROCCO]

Yossi and Mascherano are out of Tuesdays game. Yossi picked up a knock against Hull and Mascerano is suffering from an illness. Neither has traveled to Italy..

Rein
Magic Carra Skrtel Insua
Gerrard Lucas
Babel kuyt Reira
Torres


Rein
Magic Carra Skrtel Insua
Gerrard Lucas
Kuyt Voro Reira
Torres


Rein
Magic Carra Skrtel Insua
Aurelio Lucas
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres

[graham]

Considering the injuries I'd say Rafa might play this one fairly tight. Don't use too much energy with the Chelsea game coming up at the weekend. Just hold onto the ball and pass it around them without being impatient about getting forward

[MrsPepe]

I can see the first team you picked being played Rocco

[ROCCO]

I can see the first team you picked being played Rocco

Interesting call for Rafa , wonder would he play Dossena with the game been in Italy ?

[GDLUCKXABI]

Reina
Johnson Carra Skertel Insua

Babel Lucas Gerrard Auriello
Kuyt
Torres

[ROCCO]

Looks lit Benayoun has traveled .

[ROCCO]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165930090928-1428.htm


Javier Mascherano is out of Tuesday's Champions League match against Fiorentina with a tight hamstring.
The Reds midfielder was not among the 18-man party that arrived in Tuscany earlier this afternoon and will not be risked in tomorrow's Group E encounter at the Stadio Artemio Franchi.

The Liverpool squad: Reina, Cavalieri, Johnson, Skrtel, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Aurelio, Insua, Lucas, Spearing, Plessis, Kuyt, Gerrard, Voronin, Torres, Babel, Riera, Benayoun

[CHRIS1892]

Just read that Yossi's been passed fit, MAJOR bonus!

[dk.lfc]

Just read that Yossi's been passed fit, MAJOR bonus!

just seen it there now..its a great boost yossi havin great season so far

[edcarroll02]

Interesting call for Rafa , wonder would he play Dossena with the game been in Italy ?

He's never been one for sentiment before so unless he thinks that Doss might know a few things about facing italian opposition i think he could be seeing this one from his usual spot, somewhere between Ngog and Voronin.

[Ron1892]

Delighted to see Yossi is fit..He could be the key 2mor night in unlocking these italians.

[ROCCO]

He's never been one for sentiment before so unless he thinks that Doss might know a few things about facing italian opposition i think he could be seeing this one from his usual spot, somewhere between Ngog and Voronin.

Not sentiment more ruthless ... put him the shop window ...

just seen this ...
For all those who are wondering why Yossi flew separately, it was because Sunday-Monday was yom kipor for the Jewish people so Yossi didn't want to break his fast while the squad flew out in the afternoon to Florence. Yom kipor ended in the evening of Monday.


I expect him to be on the bench .... as "kipur day" is once a year which they fast for 24hours .


"kipur day" sounds like he will be well rested :cool:

[Rover 609]

Yossis starvin as yesterday was yon kippur so might need to head to maccies to beef up a little.

[ROCCO]

He would have fasted for 24 hours but have had plenty of fluids and would have been sleeping and resting for a lot of it .... wonder did he fly out Sunday ?

[carpe diem]

gilardino and santana out for this one,still should be a tough game,fiorentina played very well away to lyon last time out,even with 10 men for the 2nd half ,only lost 1-0 so they will be no pushovers,although a win would be great a draw would not be the worst result.

[Liverpool-law]

although a win would be great a draw would not be the worst result.

Agreed, obviously we want a win but a draw here would not be a bad result. I'd prefer a draw here and a win sunday than the other way around.

[SWAR]

Agreed, obviously we want a win but a draw here would not be a bad result. I'd prefer a draw here and a win sunday than the other way around.

+1 (especially the bit in bold)

[T.N.F]

+1 (especially the bit in bold)

I agree aswell but it would be very impressive and great for confidence if we can get a win over there.

[bono]

It would be nice to put this one to bed early think this will be a test though.

Just hope we get out of this one with everybody fit & ready for sunday + the extra day's rest could work in our favour.

[General]

He's never been one for sentiment before so unless he thinks that Doss might know a few things about facing italian opposition i think he could be seeing this one from his usual spot, somewhere between Ngog and Voronin.

Think I read that Ngog is not even in the squad and is likely to play for the reserves tonight.

[AthloneScouser]

Just seen on .tv that Kuyt is 2 goals short of Rushes goal tally and only Gerrard ahead of him. I know he is here a few seasons but it's still a great achievement.
Fancy him to get on the scoresheet. He's always fond of his important european goals.

Also heard what Mutu said, not so special beeting us. twat

[CHRIS1892]

Just seen on .tv that Kuyt is 2 goals short of Rushes goal tally and only Gerrard ahead of him. I know he is here a few seasons but it's still a great achievement.
Fancy him to get on the scoresheet. He's always fond of his important european goals.

Also heard what Mutu said, not so special beeting us. twat

Mutu? Who is he? T**t!

[GaryMc]

On TV3 tonight. Makes a change from the shitwits on RTE. Probably be Toshack and Cas

[CHRIS1892]

On TV3 tonight. Makes a change from the shitwits on RTE. Probably be Toshack and Cas

Lawro & Trevor Welch commentating, Studio Neil Lennon & Tony Cascarino according to tv listings

[Venom1983]

What did mutu say??

[T.N.F]

Lawro & Trevor Welch commentating, Studio Neil Lennon & Tony Cascarino according to tv listings

I'd rather claw my eyes out

[Liverpool-law]

Is there a channel with good presenters/commentators? If there is, my tv doesn't have it...

[SOC]

Adrian Mutu does not believe Fiorentina will kick up a fuss if they topple Liverpool in the UEFA Champions League on Tuesday. Mutu believes that not so long ago teams would get excited about seeing off Rafa Benitez's side, however, the Romanian thinks it would not be a big deal for them.

What is this clown doing coming out and saying this.

[GDLUCKXABI]

Clown he may be but he is by far the biggest danger tonight, good player!

[Phil!]

Seems to be a series of doubts over Yossi so would be saving him maybe as an impact player if we need it.

Would like to see:

Reina
Johnson Carra Skrtel Aurelio
Gerrard Lucas
Kuyt Babel Riera
Torres

Definately plenty of attacking ability in there and believe that team is strong enough to claim us the 3 points and hopefully Babel can continue to push on

[wonit5times]

Yossi traveled to the game and looks set to start according to SSN

[T.N.F]

Is there a channel with good presenters/commentators? If there is,my tv doesn't have it...

Lfc tv :D

[T.N.F]

Clown he may be but he is by far the biggest danger tonight, good player!

He's thinking of something else when Rafa says he is a good player between the lines

[elvis]

Is there a channel with good presenters/commentators? If there is, my tv doesn't have it...

You could always mute the tv and play some music, or give your own commentary,. :)

[Skintown Red]

Feck sake my TV3 doesn't work, going to have to try and get a good stream.

Come on the Pool

[Maverick]

Feck sake my TV3 doesn't work, going to have to try and get a good stream.

Come on the Pool

Try MyP2P sometimes it works very well sometimes not so well.Hope Aurelio starts tonight so we can see how he has recovered.

[elvis]

Feck sake my TV3 doesn't work, going to have to try and get a good stream.

Come on the Pool

its on Sky Sports 2 as well.

[carpe diem]

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Insua, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard, Benayoun, Aurelio, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Voronin, Riera, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Spearing, Plessis.

[Skintown Red]

its on Sky Sports 2 as well.

Cheers but ain't got that either, maybe I'll head out to the folks house for a surprise visit and watch it there...on second thoughts might just go with myp2p;)

[ROCCO]

Fabio Aurelio returns to the Liverpool starting XI for tonight's Champions League clash against Fiorentina - listen live online from 7.30pm.
The Brazilian comes in for Albert Riera as Rafael Benitez makes one change from the side that hammered Hull at the weekend.

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Insua, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard, Benayoun, Aurelio, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Voronin, Riera, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Spearing, Plessis.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165953090929-1838.htm

[Skintown Red]

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Insua, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard, Benayoun, Aurelio, Kuyt, Torres.

Subs: Cavalieri, Voronin, Riera, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Spearing, Plessis.

[Fowler's God]

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Insua, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard, Benayoun, Aurelio, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Voronin, Riera, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Spearing, Plessis.

Not a bad side out. Aurelio and Insua are interchangable on the left. Good ploy by Rafa.

[ROCCO]

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=48886&part=sports

choice of streams

[Skintown Red]

Reina
Magic Carra Sktel Insua
Lucas Gerrard
Kuyt Benny Aurelio
Torres

or

Reina
Magic Carra Sktel Insua
Lucas Aurelio
Kuyt Gerrard Benny
Torres

[ROCCO]

Reina

Magic Carra Skrtel Insua

Lucas Aurelio

Kuyt Gerrard Yossi

Torres


Reina

Magic Carra Skrtel Insua

Lucas Gerrard

Kuyt Yossi Aurelio

Torres

[MrsPepe]

Cheers but ain't got that either, maybe I'll head out to the folks house for a surprise visit and watch it there...on second thoughts might just go with myp2p;)

http://lfcglobe.com/stream-links-fiorentina-vs-liverpool-a/ you will have to go through the media player links to find the best one

or

http://www.atdhe.net/

or

http://espns-live.com/?url=http://espns-live.com/bet5.html channel number will appear in the box under text box closer to KO

[elvis]

Cheers but ain't got that either, maybe I'll head out to the folks house for a surprise visit and watch it there...on second thoughts might just go with myp2p;)

http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch4.html

http://atdhe.net/9541/watch-fiorentina-vs-liverpool

http://lfcglobe.com/stream-links-fiorentina-vs-liverpool-a/

http://espns-live.com/
Channel isn't confirmed yet, but just ask in the chat box and someone will kindly tell you,.

[ROCCO]

Think Aurelio will be on the left and Stevie in the middle .

[AthloneScouser]

Goin tuning in now,
Carra for the Winner ;)

[elvis]

Goin tuning in now,
Carra for the Winner ;)

Or at least 2 assists,. wonder if that happened would he get the same headlines as Giggs did??

[Skintown Red]

That Dazzler channel on sopcast has the Inter game on at the minute and is great quality, cheers for all the links

[ROCCO]

Right time for my mini feast and a cup of tea :) ... and then finish of the cans of Stella ..

[ROCCO]

That Dazzler channel on sopcast has the Inter game on at the minute and is great quality, cheers for all the links

Used it for the hull game .... crystal clear 10/10

[elvis]

That Dazzler channel on sopcast has the Inter game on at the minute and is great quality, cheers for all the links

you got a link to it? :)

[ROCCO]

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=48886&part=sports


Its also tv3 and skysports 2

[Skintown Red]

you got a link to it? :)

Paste this sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/65179 into the address bar in sopcast, not sure what language the commentary will be in yet

[ROCCO]

Paste this sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/65179 into the address bar in sopcast, not sure what language the commentary will be in yet

You only need to copy 65179 into the address box

[Skintown Red]

You only need to copy 65179 into the address box

Oh right, I'll that for again then

[ROCCO]

Oh right, I'll that for again then

:)

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/65179 im sure that works fine as well mate ..

[elvis]

TV3 coverage is painful to listen to,. its cr*p to put it bluntly, and its a load of bullsh*t too,. think I might hit the mute button and stick on some springsteen,.

[MrsPepe]

praising torres on sky 2, il stay with this channel for a while

[Ron1892]

watching tv3 myself..matt copper knob.....fcuk i would rather listen to Doctor phil than him...And whats up with the smiley head on neil lennon..

[elvis]

praising torres on sky 2, il stay with this channel for a while

Tony Cascarino said he was like Van Basten. But they gave the whole Alonso is gone, Rafa not rotating etc,.

[elvis]

Mutu has 53 goals in 89 games for Fiorentina! :eek:

[MrsPepe]

Tony Cascarino said he was like Van Basten. But they gave the whole Alonso is gone, Rafa not rotating etc,.

went to get my magnum, missed that bit

God I love CL nights

[elvis]

went to get my magnum, missed that bit

God I love CL nights

So do I,. its something special when you are there for one, cant wait for the Lyon game,.

[elvis]

Got away with that one,. I think thats the run that will leave us open to concede tonight, when insua goes forward and the ball is played into the space behind Insua, Carra looks slow to get there. But im sure he'll sort that,. :)

[elvis]

What is with TV3 not displaying a score or minutes played? Its really annoying,.

[Tarabuses]

What is with TV3 not displaying a score or minutes played? Its really annoying,.

They are on my TV.

[elvis]

They are on my TV.

They are on mine now too,. but they weren't up on mine for the first 15-20 minutes,.

[elvis]

Well that was coming,.
Insua kept him on,.

[ronnie10]

Hopefully that might wake a few of our players up....

[Ron1892]

The two boys in midfield arent having the best of games..They cant seem to grab a hold of the game..

[ronnie10]

The two boys in midfield arent having the best of games..They cant seem to grab a hold of the game..

The whole fcuking lot of them arent having the best of games.

[elvis]

The space Insua is leaving in behind is killing us, and they are exploiting it too,.

[Don_Corleone]

fcuking hell

we are getting minced

[Aido82]

2 down
all 11 players are not at the races

[Aido82]

Insua's fault again

[Don_Corleone]

put aurelio at left back and bring on riera

[elvis]

Where on earth have Liverpool gone, and where did Fiorentina come from,. Things need to change,. maybe move Aurelio out left, put Yossi in behind Nando, and let Stevie partner Lucas,.

[ronnie10]

Not insuas fault at all. our two centre halfs have made one decent clearance all night.

[ronnie10]

Where on earth have Liverpool gone, and where did Fiorentina come from,. Things need to change,. maybe move Aurelio out left, put Yossi in behind Nando, and let Stevie partner Lucas,.

Agree with these moves. still have hope for 4-2

[elvis]

Jovetic needs to be booked for diving, thats twice, we should get onto UEFA about this,. ;)

[elvis]

Agree with these moves. still have hope for 4-2

It'll give Insua more cover for a start,. Yossi keeps coming inside, and Insua is moving up to cover the whole, then we lose the ball, and Insua gets caught out everytime,. Yeah 4-2, or 5-3 would be good,. I can see us conceding another goal before Rafa changes things around,.

[Aido82]

Not insuas fault at all. our two centre halfs have made one decent clearance all night.

Insua played everyone on side for first goal

second goal, the right winger skinned him and whipped in a cross that led to goal.

[GaryMc]

That hobbit is divin whore. Somebody empty him good and proper in second half. Thank fcuk for half time. Not out of it yet.

[Ron1892]

Thank fcuk its half time..What aload of tripe...We are missing one man big time me thinks..Masch..Dont think aurellio os suited to that position.

[south]

jesus we're getting played off the pitch. Some pace to the first half

[vincenzo]

Need to get the passing sorted or this could be a massacre.

[Don_Corleone]

and italian football is meant to be slower

ha ha ha

[ronnie10]

It'll give Insua more cover for a start,. Yossi keeps coming inside, and Insua is moving up to cover the whole, then we lose the ball, and Insua gets caught out everytime,. Yeah 4-2, or 5-3 would be good,. I can see us conceding another goal before Rafa changes things around,.

I think he'll change them now.Riera cud come into the left for Aurelio and have stevie dropped in with lucas. Not much on our bench when ya need options.

[serpheus]

That was depressing, rafa has to change the formation, our midfield is non existent and torres is not being provided with anything at all. Worst 45 mins i have seen in a long long time.

[CHRIS1892]

True that none of the players are at the races. I've given him praise for doing well, but Lucas is a disaster out there tonight. The Mancs are off already, the texts were coming in well before half time.

[barrydoherty]

Disappointed with first half performance, need big improvement if we are going to get anything from this game, I would bring Babel on soon offer bit more attacking

[vincenzo]

He has to drop Gerrard back into the middle. Lucas and Fabio are getting roasted.

[edcarroll02]

That was depressing, rafa has to change the formation, our midfield is non existent and torres is not being provided with anything at all. Worst 45 mins i have seen in a long long time.

Well it's not all that long, we were this bad against spurs and villa earlier this season, it's very defeatest but I think this is damage limitation here tonight. They just look better, hungrier, fitter and far more organised! Aurelio may be good enough to fill in at centre mid in the league but not in the champions league and especially not in his first game back!!

[carpe diem]

if we get a goal back they'll sh*t themselves but serious improvement is needed for that to happen,its been a poor team performance so far but the game is won in 90mins not 45.

[ROCCO]

Poor all over the pitch ...... middle of the park for us is a non- existent

[serpheus]

Well it's not all that long, we were this bad against spurs and villa earlier this season, it's very defeatest but I think this is damage limitation here tonight. They just look better, hungrier, fitter and far more organised! Aurelio may be good enough to fill in at centre mid in the league but not in the champions league and especially not in his first game back!!

i honestly don't think we were this bad in those games, have we had a shot yet?

[Yoko]

Insua being taught a lesson

[D7Hooper]

Hard to know what this might end up being. We could be in for a right spanking. Midfield is non-existent and I have to say Lucas is arguably the worst player I've seen in a Liverpool shirt in my life. He's being exposed, by a bit of quick movement, as the below average player many on here (including me) believe him to be. Insua's head is up his arse tonight aswell. Change is needed ASAP.

[The St John]

the midfield seem to be sitting too deep and are lacking leadership.i'd def bring stevie back into the centre for the second half.

[Skintown Red]

That's better, need to keep this pressure up

[merc]

my TV3 is crap. any links I can get this on please.
Cant get Iraqgoals to work.

[Deigo008]

dreadful! that change should have been made at half time

[Venom1983]

Jovetic has been excellent

[leixlip kopite]

ref is shite. Torres not getting anything.

[Deigo008]

anyone see Lucas....I think they left him back in Liverpool with the reserves

[stevieg05]

Torres is tryin his best, kuyt too, its a pity that change in centre mid wasnt made early in the 1st half

[Molby Is a Legend]

anyone see Lucas....I think they left him back in Liverpool with the reserves


Emm there are another 10 players out there that didnt turn up why the fcuk try place the blame on lucas???????????????????

Its just one of those nights it didnt go for us lets move on to sunday and the chavs..................

[carpe diem]

anyone see Lucas....I think they left him back in Liverpool with the reserves

same could be said of others,funny how lucas is always the scapegoat ????

but a better performance in the 2nd half,had we converted one of our chances we might have got something out of this.

[vincenzo]

Bad performance. Bad result, but a long way to go yet.

[Ron1892]

same could be said of others,funny how lucas is always the scapegoat ????

but a better performance in the 2nd half,had we converted one of our chances we might have got something out of this.

i knew things like this were going to be said.Be ready for the onslaught i reckon...

The whole team in the first half were shocking..Better second half performance.On wards and upwards.Its in the past now.Cant change the past..

[elvis]

Lucas is always the scapegoat,. what about Insua, Johnson, Carra, Skrtel, Gerrard had 9 shots, all off target, Lucas wasn't the worst player on the pitch,. Better second half, but if we play like that against Chelsea we're done for,.

[merc]

Poor missing any ideas. Never looked in the game.
Rafa seemed dumbfounded. Should have changed tactics but to what????

[GaryMc]

Bad night at the office.

Roll on Sunday. Chavs will get the backlash

[liverbird!!]

Bad day at the office! Roll on weekend.
We'll still qualify so let's not react!!

[SignoraFrasi]

Its not the most costly defeat we will ever suffer so lets not get carried away.

[ROCCO]

... bad night , but better in the 2nd half ....

[serpheus]

Rather this performance tonight than sunday.

[ROCCO]

Group will look interesting after our next 2 games v lyon back to back .

[NiallD]

Qualification is the only thing that really matters, group stages are a means to a end but we all know where we'll be every year at the end of them. They were well up for it, you could see how much it meant to the Fiorentina players and crowd. Massive victory for them, minor inconvenience to us. Simples.

[Molby Is a Legend]

Good to see all the sensible posts lads fair play wonder who will be the first knee jerker tho?

As has been said a bad night at the office, Think rafa got it slightly wrong with Auerlio wrong game to put him in the centre not fit enough yet but then again its often he gets it wrong so im not gonna judge,
Game of two halves bad first good second, Always gonna be tough agianst the italians over there and to go 2 down it was only gonna get tougher onwards and upwards we will still qualify have no doubt about that,

[megager]

Dreadful performance. It doesnt happen often but Cesare Prandelli tactically got the better of Rafa. I reckon this game was lost in midfield. I thought Zanetti was immense.

I know lots of people are praising Lucas this year, but he will always struggle when against decent opposition. No denying he tries, and tries hard, but Zanetti stood head and shoulders above him. This may not have been the case if Mash was playing.

If Mash is out on Sunday, I worry Essien and fat frank will have a field day. I know Ill be critised by daring to criticise Lucas, given the new commandments (Thou shalt not criticise Lucas or mention the name Alonso) but sometimes its hard to face up to the hard facts.

We arent out of this yet, but as usual we make it difficult. Fiorentina are excellent at home, their record stands for itself, and you have to deal with away defeats in Europe. The Lyon game is important now though. I still think well get through, dare I say top of group.

[ROCCO]

Thought a point at least was vital tonight .... must be honest and say worried about qualification ..

[travis]

Fiorentina were very good tonight, I was always a bit worried about this one, any onwards and upwards.. feel sorry for the lads who went to Florence stuck over there in that corner.

[The St John]

Can't believe tv3 are paying that tit cascarino to be on their panel.what a clueless idiot!

[elvis]

Can't believe tv3 are paying that tit cascarino to be on their panel.what a clueless idiot!

+1

[AthloneScouser]

Its not the most costly defeat we will ever suffer so lets not get carried away.

I got a feeling it might be for you ;):p

[ROCCO]

Still think we will beat them at home ..... but group has become so much harder for us ...

[dubit10]

Can't believe tv3 are paying that tit cascarino to be on their panel.what a clueless idiot!

Cascarino is a degenerate gambling junkie and a wife beater to boot. Do i care about his opinion? Do i ****.

[SignoraFrasi]

I got a feeling it might be for you ;):p

no no. Just had us in a small accum.

[ROCCO]

Going to get shot down ..... but i always worry our first half performances are well below par , going back all of last season nearly as well

[NotTooXabi]

Can have no argument about the result, they deserved the win. The lack of effort in the first half was pathetic.Stepped it up 2nd half but never really looked like scoring. Lyon is huge now but confident we'll beat them at the fortress

[MrsPepe]

Fiorentina were very good tonight, I was always a bit worried about this one, any onwards and upwards.. feel sorry for the lads who went to Florence stuck over there in that corner.

with no alcohol

[Venom1983]

We were awful in the first half but as has been mentioned a lost tonight is not the end of the world and i still fancy us to qualify

As for lucas i think it's fair to say he wasnt at his best tonight but in the first half aurelio was even worse in beside him

i think its just become easy to blame lucas when things go wrong

[ROCCO]

with no alcohol

Theres always a sneaky way ..

[ROCCO]

Win v Chelsea is the perfect medicine ...

[MR KING KENNY]

bad game, we were very poor, we'll still go through, im sure of it. rafa and the whole team got it wrong, no point in picking one one player, forget it, role on sunday.

[ROCCO]

Cant help but feel ..

[beardo81]

Midfield looked too lightweight tonight with Masch out, really need him back against the chavs or their strength in mid will overrun us. Fiorentina played and defended well though, no use pointing fingers at individuals, 9 red men need a bolloking after that performance.

Onward and upward!!

[corcaigh]

cheers to anyone who referred the sopcast link, my tv3 is also rubbish beyond belief, decided it was finally time for me to risk installing a thing like Sopcast. that daz sports channel was great quality, best quality ive seen since the one for the singapore pre-season game.

[Raven136]

we were muck,no decent performers.Outthought,outfought and outplayed.Now thats over with lets turn our attention to Sunday and quickly!
We will play better no question.

To all complaining about the tv3 panel,i missed what was said as i find most of them have set ideas before the game begins and stick to it no matter what.Half time is food time.

[AthloneScouser]

with no alcohol

Trucker seemed pissed :D

[red_shamrock]

Like most of you have pointed out, we should still get through the group. We were horrible in the first half, improved in the second half but didn't seriously trouble their keeper. Lucas is the easy scapegoat, he had a poor game granted, but he wasn't alone, so enough said. A win at home to Lyon and a draw away and we're on our proverbial bikes.

[MCLOCO]

We were awful in the first half but as has been mentioned a lost tonight is not the end of the world and i still fancy us to qualify

As for lucas i think it's fair to say he wasnt at his best tonight but in the first half aurelio was even worse in beside him

i think its just become easy to blame lucas when things go wrong

their was more then just lucas out their tonight who wasnt up to it personally the whole set up of the team was wrong all passes went astray we wer gettin in each others way for the best part gave the ball away far to easily we even gave their keeper a night off lets pray we get it back together for sunday

[Aido82]

As always lucas is an easy target to blame.

no one played well at all. Bad defending, invisible midfield and no quality balls up top they are all to blame not just lucas

[Molby Is a Legend]

Midfield looked too lightweight tonight with Masch out, really need him back against the chavs or their strength in mid will overrun us. Fiorentina played and defended well though, no use pointing fingers at individuals, 9 red men need a bolloking after that performance.

Onward and upward!!

Not having a go or anything mate but how are the 2 dont need a bolloking?

[GaryMc]

Positive was I thought Babel did ok when came on. took on a few players and one excellent cross.

The hobbit who scored will be big danger in Croker along wit Roma forward.

[ROCCO]

Like most of you have pointed out, we should still get through the group. We were horrible in the first half, improved in the second half but didn't seriously trouble their keeper. Lucas is the easy scapegoat, he had a poor game granted, but he wasn't alone, so enough said. A win at home to Lyon and a draw away and we're on our proverbial bikes.

After our first 2 games our performance in Europe need to improve a lot to get 4 points from Lyon ..

[Molby Is a Legend]

What a bunch of tools on TV3,

He is saying that lucas was terrible tonight and he gave away too much possession then should too clips one of kuyt losing the ball and the other babel lost it, It beggers belief that these tools are being paid money for this and what the fcuk does Matt Cooper know about football?

[CHRIS1892]

Lucas has improved, no doubt about it, but he was the worst of a bad bunch out there tonight, no one played well, but he just stuck out because he seemed to make more mistakes. That said we'll go through, we can't play that badly again.

[AthloneScouser]

Lucas has improved, no doubt about it, but he was the worst of a bad bunch out there tonight, no one played well, but he just stuck out because he seemed to make more mistakes. That said we'll go through, we CANNOT nor will we be allowed to play that badly again.

I know its your opinion and i'm not getting on your back, but i honestly don't think Lucas was our worst player out there tonight.

[Molby Is a Legend]

I know its your opinion and i'm not getting on your back, but i honestly don't think Lucas was our worst player out there tonight.

He wasnt our worst player it just makes people feel better bout themselves to bash lucas cos godforbid anybody sat stevie g or torres might have had a bad game.

[born red 79]

Can't be doin with nights like this. Breaks my heart!

[CHRIS1892]

I know its your opinion and i'm not getting on your back, but i honestly don't think Lucas was our worst player out there tonight.

Don't want to come across as a Lucas hater, far from it, I've given him plenty of praise for not getting the head down & actually improving, imo he was pretty awful, but then again the whole side were chronic,

[beardo81]

Not having a go or anything mate but how are the 2 dont need a bolloking?

Reina and Torres. Nando got no service and strikers cant do jack without it. Other than that, 9 poor men for me.

[4tothefloor]

Shocking first half and it's happening too much this season. Played well second half. The goals we gave away were very poor. They were soft goals and had we avoided them we'd have won the game instead of chasing it.

Insua was hopelessly out of position for both goals. Johnson the same for the second. I'm all for attacking play but leaving the basics behind is not on. Insua and Johnson are defenders first, attackers second and they were caught out countless times tonight. They don't seem interested in the defending bit at the moment. It needs to be addressed. Skrtel and Carra didn't cover themselves in glory either and were too standoffish. I won't start on the midfield.

Bad day at the office. Move on to the next one, although not too confident about Stamford Bridge now

[wheeliekop]

lucas was poor but as a team we looked shocking...

on a plus side el kid looked sharp but he had no support, babel looked half decend!

[MrsPepe]

Trucker seemed pissed :D

lol, kind of got that all right:D

[Raven136]

lucas was poor but as a team we looked shocking...

on a plus side el kid looked sharp but he had no support, babel looked half decend!

Babel looked good again i thought.Anyone any thoughts on springing a surprise on Sunday and starting him?

[4tothefloor]

He wasnt our worst player it just makes people feel better bout themselves to bash lucas cos godforbid anybody sat stevie g or torres might have had a bad game.
Lucas was utter $hite, and the performance he put in tonight is why he has got so much 'bashings' in the past. Anonymous. What, are we all afraid to criticise Lucas now because of this 'bashing' bull? Or the other great line, he's a 'young' player. :rolleyes: He was crap, end of story. Needs to up his game, drastically. Too much of average and not enough of wow.

Aurelio was every bit as poor but for a player who was out for so long I didn't think he should have played where he played tonight. Sooner he's in at left back the better. Defense is a shambles at the moment

[AthloneScouser]

Lucas was utter $hite, and the performance he put in tonight is why he has got so much 'bashings' in the past. Anonymous. What, are we all afraid to criticise Lucas now because of this 'bashing' bull? Or the other great line, he's a 'young' player. :rolleyes: He was crap, end of story. Needs to up his game, drastically. Too much of average and not enough of wow.

Aurelio was every bit as poor but for a player who was out for so long I didn't think he should have played where he played tonight. Sooner he's in at left back the better. Defense is a shambles at the moment

Im not afraid to change my opinion on a player untill i feel he is proving me wrong, Good or bad. But i do not think Lucas was the single blame for tonight, and he was not the worst player out there tonight.

[SOC]

Lucas was utter $hite, and the performance he put in tonight is why he has got so much 'bashings' in the past. Anonymous. What, are we all afraid to criticise Lucas now because of this 'bashing' bull? Or the other great line, he's a 'young' player. :rolleyes: He was crap, end of story. Needs to up his game, drastically. Too much of average and not enough of wow.

Aurelio was every bit as poor but for a player who was out for so long I didn't think he should have played where he played tonight. Sooner he's in at left back the better. Defense is a shambles at the moment

+1

I agree with you 100 percent.

[kingofthekop]

All in all it was a poor outing. Worst performance ive seen outta stevie for a long time. Lucas gave away so much ball it was awful to watch. Aurelio Failed to play 1 good pass. and Kuyt only played the second half!! The only good thing to come out of this game is that rafa now has excuses to make changes. Insua cant defend! Aurelio cannot play CM. Babel and Riera should start against the chavs. play kuyt off of torres and drop stevie back for Lucas. If this doesnt happen... expect a train wreck at the bridge

[Raven136]

Lucas was utter $hite, and the performance he put in tonight is why he has got so much 'bashings' in the past. Anonymous. What, are we all afraid to criticise Lucas now because of this 'bashing' bull? Or the other great line, he's a 'young' player. :rolleyes: He was crap, end of story. Needs to up his game, drastically. Too much of average and not enough of wow.

Aurelio was every bit as poor but for a player who was out for so long I didn't think he should have played where he played tonight. Sooner he's in at left back the better. Defense is a shambles at the moment

People arent afraid to criticise Lucas,it just feels like he is being made a scapegoat and i always thought Liverpool fans were above that.Who has been the poorer performer since the end of last season and the first few games of this,Lucas or Carra.Who has been most at fault for goals and poor all round play.
Lucas has been excellent this season and tonight he was as poor as any player on the pitch,yet straight away its the usual Lucas cant do it at this level etc.
Its factually incorrect as his performances have shown and its lazy.The whole team were awful and players of vital importance such as Gerrard and Kuyt were worse than Lucas.You cant expect the same standards from a kid playing alongside a left back in centre midfield as you can your more experienced players can you?

[Molby Is a Legend]

Lucas was utter $hite, and the performance he put in tonight is why he has got so much 'bashings' in the past. Anonymous. What, are we all afraid to criticise Lucas now because of this 'bashing' bull? Or the other great line, he's a 'young' player. :rolleyes: He was crap, end of story. Needs to up his game, drastically. Too much of average and not enough of wow.

Aurelio was every bit as poor but for a player who was out for so long I didn't think he should have played where he played tonight. Sooner he's in at left back the better. Defense is a shambles at the moment

Im not saying he was good tonight far from it he was poor, but he had to play the 2 CM positions as aurelio was not up to it tonight purely for fitness reasons and i agree aurelio should not have played where he did tonight, What im getting at is there were 9 other players out on that pitch tonight ( reina aside) that were every bit as bad as lucas was but are we not saying they were poor, why is this defeat which i think we can all agree on was a mixture of poor tactics, poor performance on the pitch, and them wanting it more than us being blamed on lucas being bad? Kuyt for all his effort was shocking ( I like kuyt BTW) we had 9 shots and not one notable on target so why arent we saying it wasnt good enough from yossi nando stevie and dirk? Because its easier to blame lucas thats why thats my opinion mate and i will stick to it

[legend24]

bein honest lads, ye lucas was pretty poor! but ders loads on here jumpin on the lucas wagon as soon as we hav a bad game!! its not all down to one man guys!! aurelio had a mare! insua,shockin at times! johnson gave us nothin! skrtel, i dnt know wats goin on wi him lately but carra seems to be taking more flak than he shud be this season!! the rest average if not much more tonight! it was just a bad performance overall guys! but in sayin that, 2nd half we deserved to get somethin, we pressed n pressed them but didnt get the breaks or luck! 1st half was just shocking but lets take the positives out of it ppl an look to an improved 2nd half if nothin else eh??? we really do need to get more strength in depth tho cos seein the likes of voronin or any of the rest of the bench bein honest coming on doesnt really give the fans much optimism when ur chasing a game!!

[Molby Is a Legend]

All in all it was a poor outing. Worst performance ive seen outta stevie for a long time. Lucas gave away so much ball it was awful to watch. Aurelio Failed to play 1 good pass. and Kuyt only played the second half!! The only good thing to come out of this game is that rafa now has excuses to make changes. Insua cant defend! Aurelio cannot play CM. Babel and Riera should start against the chavs. play kuyt off of torres and drop stevie back for Lucas. If this doesnt happen... expect a train wreck at the bridge

Christ lad we played one poor game tonight lets move on from it, We all know rafa will not make that many changes and IMO it would be wrong to we will be up for the chavs on sunday and im still confident that we can beat them.

[kingofthekop]

Christ lad we played one poor game tonight lets move on from it, We all know rafa will not make that many changes and IMO it would be wrong to we will be up for the chavs on sunday and im still confident that we can beat them.

Mate we havent played well yet. we're gettin away with murder at the mo imo. shockin at the back and way too light in midfield. Thats the reality of the matter. we scored a rake of goals against teams who will prob be relegated this season. I love the club but can anybody actually say theyre enjoyin watchin them this season?? I havent missed a game and i think we've been shockin.

[dk.lfc]

i would def agree we did improve in the 2nd half an did think we were unlucky not to get one back but are first half performance was so unstructshered it kooked like none of our boys wanted to take the game but the scruff of the neck and say were better then this

[Molby Is a Legend]

Mate we havent played well yet. we're gettin away with murder at the mo imo. shockin at the back and way too light in midfield. Thats the reality of the matter. we scored a rake of goals against teams who will prob be relegated this season. I love the club but can anybody actually say theyre enjoyin watchin them this season?? I havent missed a game and i think we've been shockin.


Agree we havent played well yet, but we are still only three points of the top,
There is no way it will be a train wreck on Sunday. We are having our bad spell and still getting results, You say we scored a rake of goals against teams that will prob get relegated but are these not the tems we struggled to bet last season? so IMO to be scoring a rake of goals is a plus, we will take at least a pont on Sunday and we will improve make no mistake about that. tonight was a bad day at the office and for our league hopes probably a good thing cos it will bring them all back down to earth and realise that we need to improve starting on sunday

[kingofthekop]

we will take at least a pont on Sunday and we will improve make no mistake about that. tonight was a bad day at the office and for our league hopes probably a good thing cos it will bring them all back down to earth and realise that we need to improve starting on sunday

I hope your right but I honestly think that Gerrard and masch need to have the battle with lampard and essien which, for me would mean lucas dropping out and either yossi or babel comin in on the right and push kuyt up the middle. I just dont think Lucas is strong enough for the first 11 yet

[Molby Is a Legend]

I hope your right but I honestly think that Gerrard and masch need to have the battle with lampard and essien which, for me would mean lucas dropping out and either yossi or babel comin in on the right and push kuyt up the middle. I just dont think Lucas is strong enough for the first 11 yet

He was strong enough at old toilet last year :D:D:D:D

[legend24]

i would def agree we did improve in the 2nd half an did think we were unlucky not to get one back but are first half performance was so unstructshered it kooked like none of our boys wanted to take the game but the scruff of the neck and say were better then this

i totally agree bout the scruff of the neck point! that 1st half was when we need our big players ie stevie,nando,carra,dirk,yossi, even johnson! to use their experience of big games to pull us out of that whole or patch of playin shit, to put there foot on the ball n slow the game down a notch or 2 so the team could settle again! we where tryin to force balls,playin long diagonal balls, even glenn hoddle balls as they say tryin to get nando in!! and it wasnt happening!! those experience lads shouldve calmed the team down n got our game back gradually, but in tryin to force it,we kept givin possession away and in turn put ourselves under more pressure at the back the whole time!!
xabi was a great one for doing this, he kept the game at his pace and dictated the play, this is wat we are missing and i really hope that aqualani can provide somethin like this but i`m not sure he can! i tink when he plays we will see a new style of play from us! certainly masch n lucas cant dictate play like xabi did, but then again, who can???? maybe only 3 players in world i can tink of like that ( scholes,xavi, iniesta) correst me if im wrong! but hes gone now,so we have to move on with what we have an adapt to watever styles the players we have now! but we cant always be lumping every bad performance on lucas shoulders,esp tonight,when clearly we had alot of bad performances!!!

[GaryMc]

Not played well yet this season??? Steam Rollered Stoke hull and burnley at home( games that lost us the league last season) and two hard fought away wins against Bolton and West Ham away. Villa game could have been all over if players had took early chances and Spurs game should had a peno. Some poor defending at times cost however I have 'enjoyed' majority of season so far.

There are two teams in every match. Fiorentina played better and won deservedly so.

[Podgecheco]

Not a great performance lads but i wouldnt let it get ya down, was always gonna be a tough game shocking result but still i just think its one of those games is best forgotten

[kingofthekop]

There are two teams in every match. Fiorentina played better and won deservedly so.

well we agree on this at least.

[Garrett]

Not a great performance lads but i wouldnt let it get ya down, was always gonna be a tough game shocking result but still i just think its one of those games is best forgotten


Well put,

TBH, I personally didn't give them enough credit before the game ever kicked off, silly me I guess !

Their defense were good and that young striker of theirs looks like he could be a big name for the future.

Nonetheless, some of our players were not at their best, lets hope they are all back in form for Sunday (and our injuries sort themselves out pretty soon to add a little more to our choices for first team)

[kingofthekop]

Well put,

TBH, I personally didn't give them enough credit before the game ever kicked off, silly me I guess !

Their defense were good and that young striker of theirs looks like he could be a big name for the future.

Nonetheless, some of our players were not at their best, lets hope they are all back in form for Sunday (and our injuries sort themselves out pretty soon to add a little more to our choices for first team)

well said G :p:p:p

[Podgecheco]

Cheers garret i thought i would get shout for not being pissed off about it!!its nothing to worry about they were far far more up for it than we were..it happens, revenge at anfield

[pepesgloves]

Not a great performance lads but i wouldnt let it get ya down, was always gonna be a tough game shocking result but still i just think its one of those games is best forgotten

i agree with this were still in it............... well in it.............:rolleyes:

[4tothefloor]

i do not think Lucas was the single blame for tonight, and he was not the worst player out there tonight.
Nobody is saying he was the single worst player, at least I'm not. He was utter rubbish though.

Insua cant defend!
Glad someone else has spotted it. If you go back to when Insua made his debut, in almost every game he has played his positional sense has been woeful. Constantly getting caught out of position, especially at the back post. Has great potential but is not a first teamer yet by any stretch of the imagination. I'd have to agree that at the moment, the lad can't defend.

People arent afraid to criticise Lucas,it just feels like he is being made a scapegoat and i always thought Liverpool fans were above that.Who has been the poorer performer since the end of last season and the first few games of this,Lucas or Carra.Who has been most at fault for goals and poor all round play.

Lucas has been excellent this season and tonight he was as poor as any player on the pitch,yet straight away its the usual Lucas cant do it at this level etc.

Its factually incorrect as his performances have shown and its lazy.The whole team were awful and players of vital importance such as Gerrard and Kuyt were worse than Lucas.You cant expect the same standards from a kid playing alongside a left back in centre midfield as you can your more experienced players can you?
I've criticised Carra's sloppiness since last season and my posts back it up. I've also given Lucas every chance but the lad seriously needs to grow a set of balls. The difference between Carra & Lucas is that Carra has done the business, has previous and has every chance of recovering his form. Lucas has never played at Carra's level. The two can't be compared.

I do not agree that Lucas has been excellent this season. He was atrocious last season, so any improvement is welcome. He has improved, but if that's what the excellence bar is set at there's no hope for us. He's been good to average, at best. Lucas isn't the only one getting it here either, the entire defense and midfield have been criticised. Maybe it's the pro-Lucas fans who are overly sensitive once his name is mentioned?

Finally, LUCAS IS NOT A KID. He's 22 years old, going on 23 FFS!! Ryan Babel gets absolutely ripped to shreds on here and other forums. He's the same age, yet he's never referred to as a 'kid'. He's also perennially played out of position, and not given a proper chance, yet receives dogs abuse when he can't perform. Lucas has had enough chances. It's time to step up now on a consistent basis.

Im not saying he was good tonight far from it he was poor, but he had to play the 2 CM positions as aurelio was not up to it tonight purely for fitness reasons and i agree aurelio should not have played where he did tonight, What im getting at is there were 9 other players out on that pitch tonight ( reina aside) that were every bit as bad as lucas was but are we not saying they were poor, why is this defeat which i think we can all agree on was a mixture of poor tactics, poor performance on the pitch, and them wanting it more than us being blamed on lucas being bad? Kuyt for all his effort was shocking ( I like kuyt BTW) we had 9 shots and not one notable on target so why arent we saying it wasnt good enough from yossi nando stevie and dirk? Because its easier to blame lucas thats why thats my opinion mate and i will stick to it
Nando got no service but tried and should have had a penalty. Gerrard had a good few efforts but was below par, again it was to do with service. Gerrard really should have started deep in midfield. Reina did ok. The rest were all shite. I've already posted that the defense were the worst 4 players on the pitch tonight. Lucas and Aurelio were brutal as well, Kuyt and Benayoun only did anything in the second half, Kuyt was poor throughout. I like Kuyt too, but again I'm not one who thinks he should be starting every game.
I get what you're saying re the other 9 but tonight Lucas was one of the worst on the pitch. He plays in a critical position, the engine room. It's the most important area of the pitch. He's either up to it on a consistent basis or he isn't. This molly-coddling of Lucas is beginning to get on my nerves. He's here 3 seasons now and showing no radical improvement. He's not a kid either, a kid is 18/19/20. Lucas is almost 23. He needs to step it up.

[The St John]

I love the club but can anybody actually say theyre enjoyin watchin them this season??

If you can't enjoy the team putting six past hull,four past stoke,scoring 22 lge goals in seven games.I think you should give up man.

[carpe diem]

4tothefloor ive always followed your posts with interest,more often than not i think you go over the top and sometimes you are a bit cynical,i think no different tonight but remain interested in your comments all the same,i too dont agree with the babel bashisng,i still regard him as a kid failing to perform but the flashes of brilliances i see from him at times keeps me waiting in hope,lucas on the other hand gets fcuk all respect from the majority of fans,he has outperfomed our captain marvellous (my all time favourite player and ive seen king kenny playing in the flesh) most of the season,he has a bad game tonight and the majority jump on his back just like last season,fcuk that !!,they were all shocking,stevie needs someone to shove a rocket up his @rse as he has yet to start playing this season !

tonight is not the end of the world,have no doubt we'll still make it through to the next round but those 1st 11 all should shoulder the blame tonight not just one or two.

[SHOWTIME]

4tothefloor ive always followed your posts with interest,more often than not i think you go over the top and sometimes you are a bit cynical,i think no different tonight but remain interested in your comments all the same,i too dont agree with the babel bashisng,i still regard him as a kid failing to perform but the flashes of brilliances i see from him at times keeps me waiting in hope,lucas on the other hand gets fcuk all respect from the majority of fans,he has outperfomed our captain marvellous (my all time favourite player and ive seen king kenny playing in the flesh) most of the season,he has a bad game tonight and the majority jump on his back just like last season,fcuk that !!,they were all shocking,stevie needs someone to shove a rocket up his @rse as he has yet to start playing this season !

tonight is not the end of the world,have no doubt we'll still make it through to the next round but those 1st 11 all should shoulder the blame tonight not just one or two.

I could not agree with you more.Lots of our so called fans haven't got a clue.Everyone was rubbish tonight bar Nando who gave his all in the second half.

And everyone blames Lucas again.Surprise surprise.

Sometimes I wonder why I support this club when there's so many people who don't watch most of our matches yet jump on the bandwagon as per usual.

Face facts only for Torres and Glen Johnson we'd be out of the title race already this season and even though we've walloped certain teams I wouldn't say we were fluent and are definitely not firing on all cylinders.I know this comment will lead to lost of abuse but am just stating facts.

And lots takes shots at Babel but no wonder his confidence is shot to pieces when we are 2-0 down and crying out for a change Benitez waits for less than 20 mins to go to throw him on.If Babel was giving the constant backing from Benitez that Kuyt gets then he'd do alot more for the team esp. going forward but at the end of the day Babel is a striker and as I've stated before if he got a regular run upfront with Nando we would rip teams to shreds.

Just like 'God' Liverpool will always beat in my heart no matter how good or bad we play.

[bono]

Bad 1st half from our lads looked better in the 2nd but the game had gotten away from us by then think we deserved a goal in the 2nd half tbh.
Not worried.... we'll do them at Anfield & think we'll beat Lyon home & away.
This was just one them off nights every team has them as the saying goes you can't win them all won't lose any sleep about this game full credit has to go to Fiorentina.
Lets get back to winning ways on sunday & then this game will just be forgotten.

[carpe diem]

he's only 15 trucker cut him some slack mate ;)

[scousepaddy]

Mate we havent played well yet. we're gettin away with murder at the mo imo. shockin at the back and way too light in midfield. Thats the reality of the matter. we scored a rake of goals against teams who will prob be relegated this season. I love the club but can anybody actually say theyre enjoyin watchin them this season?? I havent missed a game and i think we've been shockin.

So you havent enjoyed a single game we have played this season? have you considered the possiblity you dont like football?

[Badman]

i think we lost cos the midfield was an abject failure - lucas and aurelio as compared to alonso and masch last year are poles apart. i think we missed masch cos he'd have protected the back four 'in between the lines' a lot better than what was out there. i think laying all the blame at lucas' feet is unfair - i dont think he played any better or worse than he has played before...unfortunately thats just his level and he cant help it. i thought there was confusion amonst the players in midfield - ie was it aurelio out wide and gerrard in midfield, or gerrard up top and aurelio midfield. either way noone in midfeidl got a hold on zanetti. the defence is a shambles but might get better with time, but i ahve serious doubts about carra at the moment as he is struggling in the air AND on the ground - but skertl is daydreaming a lot too. there's an awful lot to think about and to rectify before the chavs game, cos their midfield is bettr than fiorentina's and that worries me.
the only positive is i think babel was quite good and agins on the right looked a threat and crossed a beauty with very littel space late in the game. from having midfeild as our strongest asset last season to our weakest now is what worries me - we had a lot of ball but in non-dangerous areas and it worries me really with sunday in mind. the chavs midfield plus drogba has the potential for car-crash TV on sunday

[Raven136]

Bad 1st half from our lads looked better in the 2nd but the game had gotten away from us by then think we deserved a goal in the 2nd half tbh.
Not worried.... we'll do them at Anfield & think we'll beat Lyon home & away.
This was just one them off nights every team has them as the saying goes you can't win them all won't lose any sleep about this game full credit has to go to Fiorentina.
Lets get back to winning ways on sunday & then this game will just be forgotten.

Have you seen Lyon this season.Not confident of beating them over there at all.They have heavily invested in what was an already good team and have won 2out of 2 so far,including a hammering away from home.They spent 72million euro this summer.
We will beat them at home but wouldnt be so confident of a win away.And while we play them home and away Fiorentina will have a chance to get a bigger lead on us.

[redspider]

I'll put up a match report next, but some comments. I agree with most of what you say Badman.

People are blaming Insua for the goals. Yes, he didnt step up for the first but its the centre backs jobs to align the back four when setting the backline. I wouldnt blame Insua totally, although he contributed for sure, but no more than Carra and Skrtel. Playing the offside trap is always a risky business especially with an opposing player right through the middle. Even Reina could have done better on the one-on-one. Liverpool were put off by their player who was "off" and became inactive, but playing the highline as its called is risky and our trap was sprung.

As for the second goal, Insua was miles away from it. The initial cross was from his side but it went safe out on the left. It was a fortunate goal as the shot was guided in by their forward Jovetic in between a hapless Carra and Skrtel. Overall, Carra and Skrtel are not as strong this season as last and the team is leaking goals against better opposition.

As for Lucas, well, we know he isnt up to the job really. I think he has improved a lot since last season and he is trying but comparing him with Masch, Alonso and Stevie G in a midfield pairing, and he clearly is on the bottom of that heap. Even Spearing would give him a good run for his money, if given the chance to play as Lucas has. We are badly missing Alonso. And Gareth Barry could certainly do a better job than Lucas too.

As for Babel, no matter what people say about him his basic attricbutes dont change. He doesnt have close ball control. Yes, he is fast and pacey and physical but he is no Messi in wizardry on the wing. Riera is more cultured than him on the left and Kuyt is more industious and links up better on the right. For me he is not good enough to be the type of player we need and no matter how much time Rafa gives him on the pitch he aint gonna change into a Messi.

more later ....

-Redspider
http://LiverpoolRedspider.wordpress.com/

[GDLUCKXABI]

I find it hard to give anyone credit in this game. I THOUGHT sKERTEL WAS THE ONLY PLAYER WHO DESERVES ANY POSITIVE MENTION IN THE FIRST HALF. Sorry caps lock was on.

The second half we got better but we could hardly get worse and of course they were going to rest on their two goal lead so the onus was on us. The central midfield was shocing last night. the two of them - completely anonymous for the first half unless they were giving the ball away, they were not noticed. We couldnt get Gerrard or Torres intot he game.

The two full backs were also a worry defensively for me. No idea about where they should be positioned it seems and I thought first half carra made some errors. Kuyt tried hard but was poor, especially first half. All in all it was a poor performance and we need to pick up our game. the teams we ahve beaten this year have been largely weak teams like HUll, Stoke etc. This weekend be a huge test and we need to rediscover form of the end of last season quickly!

[redspider]

Fiorentina 2 Liverpool 0 (Champions league group stage)
Jovetic 28
Jovetic 37

This was not the result that Liverpool were looking for in a group which contains Lyon as well. A nicked win would have been nice and Liverpool have done well nicking such wins in recent campaigns, but it wasn’t to be tonight and the next best thing on offer, a draw, was hard to come by as it turned out.

Liverpool lined out in a 4-2-3-1 formation but with an unusual start for Aurelio in a deep midfield position:

---------------------- Reina ---------------------
Johnson -- Carragher --- Skrtel ---- Insua
------------- Lucas ------- Aurelio ------------
Kuyt ------------ Gerrard ---------- Benayoun
--------------------- Torres ---------------------

Liverpool were fairly lack lustre in the first half and got punished for it. There was little penetration by Liverpool, although they did look comfortable on the ball in non-dangerous positions. Aurelio did okay but he is no Mascherano. Fiorentina created the chances of the first half. And they got a reward when they sprung an offside trap, Insua was caught out of line by a couple of metres, which allowed Jovetic through on a one-on-one with Reina and he comfortably dispatched.

Fiorentina got an additional reward less than 10 minutes later. This time a shot from the left was redirected by an unmarked Jovetic passed a hapless Reina as Carragher and Skrtel could only watch on. A bit of fortune in the goal perhaps but Liverpool’s defence was not tightly marking and it was typical of the goals that we are leaking this season.

Liverpool chased the game in the 2nd half with gusto and we did a lot better. But chances were never that clear cut as Fiorentina defended with energy and precision. Gerrard was close with a shot and also with a header and Torres flashed one past the upright, all 3 with the keeper well beaten. But the goal never came. We restored pride with our efforts after a very poor 1st half showing.

Liverpool changed it around on 72 mins when Babel came on for Insua. Aurelio moved to left back, Gerrard went back into where Aurelio was, Kuyt went to where Gerrard had been and Babel went to the right hand side. The change though moved Gerrard, who was spritely too far back.

Torres who looked sharp was well marshalled throughout so kudos to Fiorentina for that. Voronin came on at 80 mins for Kuyt but wasn’t able to do anything, losing the ball more often than not, and it remains questionable whether he is up to the standards we need.

Benayoun who had been reasonably industrious on the night, as European football suits him I think, just didn’t get the right bounces or rub of the green and his efforts came to nought. Kuyt was also his industrious self, better in the 2nd half as were the team, but doesn’t have the pace to beat anyone. At the end of play the stats read Fiorentina’s 8 attempts on goal (most if not all in the 1st half) to Liverpool’s 12 (11 in the 2nd half). It was a tale of 2 halves but Liverpool never got the break or goal.

All in all, not a great night for Liverpool, and with Lyon winning, this group will be tough to finish in the 1st qualifying berth. Whats clear is that Liverpool will have to be more aggressive in the attacking third and in away matches if they want to get 3 pts. I’m thinking of the Debrecen match. Lyon we need to aim for a draw and be setup to nick a win. Our defence is not as water-tight against tougher opposition this season I feel, so our attack will have to take up the challenge and get more goals, and that’s never easy.

Next up in the Champions League is Liverpool v Lyon on Oct 20th. Lyon will come looking for a draw perhaps and for us a win is imperative.

-Redspider
http://LiverpoolRedspider.wordpress.com/

[trucker]

After last night its obvious to me people dont even watch the game and just jump on and look for a scapegoat, I personally have,nt seen replays etc as I was at the game so dont know what happened for 1st goal as it looked offside to me, but standing in the terace I along with most reds thought Lucas played very well while more senior players went missing, but none of that matters if people want a scapegoat, a few people on this forum wana stop with that broken lucas record as its getting fcukin borring, anyway I,m off to look for the key that willie lost.

[graham]

Bad performance and bad result. Didn't lose any sleep over it though. We were trampled in the mid field but Mascherano was out. If the midfield 2 don't function then the 4-2-3-1 formation doesn't work. Mascher back for the weekend and great news that Aqualani is nearly fit. We be laughing once they're fit. We were poor at the back again. There doesn't seem to be any communication between Carra and Skrtel for some reason. Great that Agger is nearly ready to come back. I thought Babel was fantastic when he came on. There's no doubt he's a superb footballer, just be great if he could play like that all the time. I felt a little sorry for Aurelio because that was a tough job for a left back, especially one who is only back form long injury and isn't match fit and you could see he was having problems no matter how hard he tried. I think Rafa was trying to play him like a new Alonso. I thought the ref gave everything to the home team and Torres should have had a peno. There was so many Italian fans that there was nobody in the crowd to call for it. Fiorentina played very negative football and the second half wasn't good to watch because of that. Their second goal was jammy and came form a dive from that little twit which won them posession in the first place. We were jsut starting to get a good foothold in the game right then. I expect these lads to park the bus at Anfield. Anyway, hopefully this will give the boys a good kick up the back side going into Sundays big game.

[kaiser_del]

After last night its obvious to me people dont even watch the game and just jump on and look for a scapegoat, I personally have,nt seen replays etc as I was at the game so dont know what happened for 1st goal as it looked offside to me, but standing in the terace I along with most reds thought Lucas played very well while more senior players went missing, but none of that matters if people want a scapegoat, a few people on this forum wana stop with that broken lucas record as its getting fcukin borring, anyway I,m off to look for the key that willie lost.



We can say its looking for scapegoats or you can take the blinkers off and just get real and admit he is just not good enough.I will continue to support him as long as he pulls on the Red shirt but anyone who knows anything about playing football can see the lad is just way out of his depth.

[SHOWTIME]

After last night its obvious to me people dont even watch the game and just jump on and look for a scapegoat, I personally have,nt seen replays etc as I was at the game so dont know what happened for 1st goal as it looked offside to me, but standing in the terace I along with most reds thought Lucas played very well while more senior players went missing, but none of that matters if people want a scapegoat, a few people on this forum wana stop with that broken lucas record as its getting fcukin borring, anyway I,m off to look for the key that willie lost.

Damn fcuking right Trucker.Am sick to the back teeth of al the bullshit bout Lucas and Babel.Amazing how some of the established players are above critism.It's getting so tiresome listening to this rubbish.

I remeber Lucas going to Old trafford last season and playing outstanding so if he can play them Mancs of the park the he surely has what it takes.

[mascherIANO]

shite performance but i thought that referee was absolutelty terrible. definite penalty and there was nothing wrong with what torres done for kuyts dissallowed goal.

[vincenzo]

Thought a point at least was vital tonight .... must be honest and say worried about qualification ..

Im not. I'd fancy us to beat them at Anfield. The shape was all wrong last night and once they got us on the backfoot it was going to be very hard to get back into it. Playing Aurellio in midfield was a mistake. Thought he should have went with Stevie and lucas in the middle with Yossi behind Torres to start with, but misakes happen. lets just learn from them.

[SHOWTIME]

I'll put up a match report next, but some comments. I agree with most of what you say Badman.

People are blaming Insua for the goals. Yes, he didnt step up for the first but its the centre backs jobs to align the back four when setting the backline. I wouldnt blame Insua totally, although he contributed for sure, but no more than Carra and Skrtel. Playing the offside trap is always a risky business especially with an opposing player right through the middle. Even Reina could have done better on the one-on-one. Liverpool were put off by their player who was "off" and became inactive, but playing the highline as its called is risky and our trap was sprung.

As for the second goal, Insua was miles away from it. The initial cross was from his side but it went safe out on the left. It was a fortunate goal as the shot was guided in by their forward Jovetic in between a hapless Carra and Skrtel. Overall, Carra and Skrtel are not as strong this season as last and the team is leaking goals against better opposition.

As for Lucas, well, we know he isnt up to the job really. I think he has improved a lot since last season and he is trying but comparing him with Masch, Alonso and Stevie G in a midfield pairing, and he clearly is on the bottom of that heap. Even Spearing would give him a good run for his money, if given the chance to play as Lucas has. We are badly missing Alonso. And Gareth Barry could certainly do a better job than Lucas too.

As for Babel, no matter what people say about him his basic attricbutes dont change. He doesnt have close ball control. Yes, he is fast and pacey and physical but he is no Messi in wizardry on the wing. Riera is more cultured than him on the left and Kuyt is more industious and links up better on the right. For me he is not good enough to be the type of player we need and no matter how much time Rafa gives him on the pitch he aint gonna change into a Messi.

more later ....

-Redspider
http://LiverpoolRedspider.wordpress.com/

Tha amount of time he gets on the pitch.Are you for real.Babel gets 15 or 20 mins most matches.What do you expect?He's not a miracle worker.

Kuyt cudn't cross his legs and wastes the ball the majority of times he gets into a good position.I know he runs his heart out but if we are ever gonna win the league we need alot more out the right wing

He needs a regular run to hit form like any player!

And comparing him to Messi is ridculous cos Messi is head and shoulders abover everyone else!

Babel is a class act and will prove it sooner rather than later.

[Shay]

I heard the Fiorentina fans paraded a banner on the pitch to the away fans, something along the lines of 'you inspire us'............if that's true thats quality from them!

[graham]

After last night its obvious to me people dont even watch the game and just jump on and look for a scapegoat, I personally have,nt seen replays etc as I was at the game so dont know what happened for 1st goal as it looked offside to me, but standing in the terace I along with most reds thought Lucas played very well while more senior players went missing, but none of that matters if people want a scapegoat, a few people on this forum wana stop with that broken lucas record as its getting fcukin borring, anyway I,m off to look for the key that willie lost.

I disagree, I thought Lucas and Aurelio both had bad games and the front line were starved of supply. Both of them constantly gave the ball away and were very much outplayed by a better mid field

[scousepaddy]

Tha amount of time he gets on the pitch.Are you for real.Babel gets 15 or 20 mins most matches.What do you expect?He's not a miracle worker.

Kuyt cudn't cross his legs and wastes the ball the majority of times he gets into a good position.I know he runs his heart out but if we are ever gonna win the league we need alot more out the right wing

He needs a regular run to hit form like any player!

And comparing him to Messi is ridculous cos Messi is head and shoulders abover everyone else!

Babel is a class act and will prove it sooner rather than later.

isnt kuyt our third highest CL scorer or something? apart from ronaldo i dont know of another right winger who scores more goals. Kuys is a very good crosser of the ball as you seen on saturday when he set up babel.

babel is doing well when he comes on of late but he is doing nothing to show he should be in ahead of kuyt!!

[GDLUCKXABI]

Trucker - we were completely over run in midfield int he first half and couldnt string 5 passes together - Lucas certainly wasnt the only poor performer but he did not play well and its up to the midfield to get on the ball and get the passing going. He didnt do that!

[Molby Is a Legend]

After last night its obvious to me people dont even watch the game and just jump on and look for a scapegoat, I personally have,nt seen replays etc as I was at the game so dont know what happened for 1st goal as it looked offside to me, but standing in the terace I along with most reds thought Lucas played very well while more senior players went missing, but none of that matters if people want a scapegoat, a few people on this forum wana stop with that broken lucas record as its getting fcukin borring, anyway I,m off to look for the key that willie lost.

Thank you trucker exactly what i was trying to get across

[bobby benitez]

1 Man avoiding all blame for last night is Rafa. I taught is selection of Aurelio in midfield was very strange considering his fitness and lack of games in that position recently. My biggest criticism for Rafa was his stubborness last night.
Adjustments were clearly needed in the centre of the park from very early on. We couldnt keep the ball and we couldnt get it back. Dropping Gerrard in there for 15 minutes, either as a 3rd CM or instead of Aurelio could have helped but it wasnt to be.

For the record I taught Benni, Aurelio,Gerrard, Kuyt, Insua, Johnson and Lucas were pure shite in the 1st half.

I am still confident we will qualify but we wont have any days off now.

[scousepaddy]

Trucker - we were completely over run in midfield int he first half and couldnt string 5 passes together - Lucas certainly wasnt the only poor performer but he did not play well and its up to the midfield to get on the ball and get the passing going. He didnt do that!


either did aurellio and he is not getting any stick!! they were all bad, it was a bad performance we will get over it

[graham]

1 Man avoiding all blame for last night is Rafa. I taught is selection of Aurelio in midfield was very strange considering his fitness and lack of games in that position recently. My biggest criticism for Rafa was his stubborness last night.
Adjustments were clearly needed in the centre of the park from very early on. We couldnt keep the ball and we couldnt get it back. Dropping Gerrard in there for 15 minutes, either as a 3rd CM or instead of Aurelio could have helped but it wasnt to be.

For the record I taught Benni, Aurelio,Gerrard, Kuyt, Insua, Johnson and Lucas were pure shite in the 1st half.

I am still confident we will qualify but we wont have any days off now.

+1
Agree 100%

[GDLUCKXABI]

Scousepaddy - I agree neither did Auriello play well but i was responding to Truckers point about Lucas - if you look at my first post ont he match, I mentioned both Auriello and Lucas.

Nobody was good last night - I thought Skertel did ok, and when gerrard had the ball (which was rare) he looked dangerous. ALso torres kept working on shite supply - other than that nobody deserves a mention IMO!

[Wexman]

either did aurellio and he is not getting any stick!! they were all bad, it was a bad performance we will get over itFair comment. I agree with you. It was terrible but let's move on to the next game

[Liverpool-law]

Mixed feelings about last night. On the one hand I don't care about losing a game as long as we get through the group stages. On the other hand you'd have to be concerned given it was pretty much a first team out there and they were ripped to shreds in the first half. Hopefully it can be put down to a bad night at the office and will give them extra-incentive to prove the doubters wrong on Sunday.

[Niall]

After last night its obvious to me people dont even watch the game and just jump on and look for a scapegoat, I personally have,nt seen replays etc as I was at the game so dont know what happened for 1st goal as it looked offside to me, but standing in the terace I along with most reds thought Lucas played very well while more senior players went missing, but none of that matters if people want a scapegoat, a few people on this forum wana stop with that broken lucas record as its getting fcukin borring, anyway I,m off to look for the key that willie lost.

You think people on here don't watch the game Richie have a look at below it's classic. Saw it on another forum. Apparently on TalkSh1te last night.

Just had Steve Curry on talking about last night. He was waffling on about how our defence was totally exposed by the Fiorentina midfield by Rafa selling Alonso (er he wanted to go Steve) He was then asked by Alan Brazil if he thought it was a penalty against Torres and surprise surprise he revealed he hadn't watched the Liverpool game at all but was watching the Arsenal match ha, ha, ha. They let him off as well.

[1_mossy_1]

Auriello was never goin to be up to the pace of the game after 3 months out and then to put him into midfield on a big game like that. the only thing i can say is when he got the ball he looked up and made a decent pass.. as for lucas who is now a first team member has a disgrace of a game.. i was sick looking at him give away the ball time and time again.. and this is coming from a lucas fan.. we should of played the team like we did against west ham..

[redspider]

Tha amount of time he gets on the pitch.Are you for real.Babel gets 15 or 20 mins most matches.What do you expect?He's not a miracle worker.

Kuyt cudn't cross his legs and wastes the ball the majority of times he gets into a good position.I know he runs his heart out but if we are ever gonna win the league we need alot more out the right wing

Babel is a class act and will prove it sooner rather than later.

Babel doesnt have close control. Thats a problem because it means that when he receives a pass the ball can be taken off him and when he tries to dribble round people he cant get past them. Whether he plays 20 mins or 92 mins that isnt going to change. Its not that he is not match sharp or not fit or not in tune with the team. Thats just the way he is.

Babel and Kuyt have different attributes. Like all players really. Babel has pace, so is great on a breakaway or if he can run outside a back in a straightline race. But he isnt skillful. Kuyt doesnt have pace. And neither are brilliant crossers of the ball but I would rate Babel ahead of Kuyt in that aspect.

All in all, I dont think anyone can be 100% satisfied with either Kuyt or Babel on the right. However, Kuyt CAN do a brilliant job in tough matches where defensive qualities are needed as he works so hard and we may see some of that against Chelsea. But when asked to be a creative he is a lesser force.

There is no easy answer.

-Redspider

[Anglo]

Neither Kuyt or Babel are good enough. Shocking performance all round.

[Phil!]

Neither Kuyt or Babel are good enough. Shocking performance all round.

In fairness mate thats a bit of a statement.

Kuyt has done very well in the last year and has adapted into a right winger excellently and perfectly capable of playin on the right wing as in my opinion anyway he has proven

[clayton]

When Kuyt got that ball in the second half, then chipped it over your mans head - was it just me, or did anyone else think he was going to put his left foot through it ??
If he's not confident using his left peg, i don't understand that because these are professionals that train every single day of the week.

Apart from that, there's a few drama queens posting here. We lost one match, it's not the end of the world. The lads will bounce back and we will qualify from the group stages. The commentator on sky sports pointed out that they have beaten all english teams they've faced at home, Fiorentina. And they haven't conceded a goal either.

[graham]

When Kuyt got that ball in the second half, then chipped it over your mans head - was it just me, or did anyone else think he was going to put his left foot through it ??
If he's not confident using his left peg, i don't understand that because these are professionals that train every single day of the week.


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_yryeLNfffis/SJytxjmsVEI/AAAAAAAABg4/uNYQEt8Un4E/dirk+kuyt+superman.jpg

[Niall]

Neither Kuyt or Babel are good enough. Shocking performance all round.

Kuyt got 15 goals from the right side last season. Babel played what 15 minutes last night.

[clayton]

and i meant drama queens who are dissing Kuyt and Babel to bate the band. Kuyt is a very good player and a true pro, while Babel doesn't get enough minutes on the pitch.

[clayton]

he's a good looking lad is our dirk

[graham]

he's a good looking lad is our dirk

Dirk Kuyt Watch Out!
Your right though mate, all professional footballers should be able to use both feet well. Even Babel trained hard to get better on his left foot

[Podgecheco]

After last night its obvious to me people dont even watch the game and just jump on and look for a scapegoat, I personally have,nt seen replays etc as I was at the game so dont know what happened for 1st goal as it looked offside to me, but standing in the terace I along with most reds thought Lucas played very well while more senior players went missing, but none of that matters if people want a scapegoat, a few people on this forum wana stop with that broken lucas record as its getting fcukin borring, anyway I,m off to look for the key that willie lost.

Now this makes sense...its always the same when we play bad ah lucas is terrible etc etc..hes been great this season i think, he honestly doesnt get the appreciation that he deserves..scapegoat is the perfect word

[Podgecheco]

When Kuyt got that ball in the second half, then chipped it over your mans head - was it just me, or did anyone else think he was going to put his left foot through it ??
If he's not confident using his left peg, i don't understand that because these are professionals that train every single day of the week.

Apart from that, there's a few drama queens posting here. We lost one match, it's not the end of the world. The lads will bounce back and we will qualify from the group stages. The commentator on sky sports pointed out that they have beaten all english teams they've faced at home, Fiorentina. And they haven't conceded a goal either.

i think it was more the circumstances of the match ya know?if we wee winning he probably would have taken it on but he was concious that we needed a goal and tried to go for the safe option ya know?

[REDHEART]

from what i seen in the first half i thought aurelio,lucas and yossi gave the ball away regularly.the passing was'nt accurate enought and this meant we gave the ball away and put ourselves under pressure.

i thought aurellio played some super cross field balls in the second half to switch the play from left to right.we stepped it up in the second but could'nt get the break tru.they defended well.i don't think rafa gor his tactics wrong as aureillo can put his foot on the ball look up and pass normally.but it just did'nt happen for him in the first half.gave away bad goals.puts the pressure on us now for the next game with lyon.

[1_mossy_1]

Just think that bad preformance was coming.. time to get over it and kick into chelsea on sunday..

[1_mossy_1]

In fairness mate thats a bit of a statement.

Kuyt has done very well in the last year and has adapted into a right winger excellently and perfectly capable of playin on the right wing as in my opinion anyway he has proven

Kuyt got 15 goals from the right side last season. Babel played what 15 minutes last night.

to be fair kuyt has a had poor few games.. west ham he wasen great either.. tink he looks a bit run dwn to be honest... a few days rest b4 chelsea might sort him out.. same with yossi...

[Phil!]

to be fair kuyt has a had poor few games.. west ham he wasen great either.. tink he looks a bit run dwn to be honest... a few days rest b4 chelsea might sort him out.. same with yossi...

3 goals in his last 4 games before last night not bad for someone who is playing poor. Lookin forward ti gettin Dirk back to full form if thats the case

[SHOWTIME]

3 goals in his last 4 games before last night not bad for someone who is playing poor. Lookin forward ti gettin Dirk back to full form if thats the case

Fair enough bout the goals but besides that he has been shocking and always wastes great postions.No way he'd get near any of the other top teams in the league but Babel definitely would.I know that much!

[graham]

Fair enough bout the goals but besides that he has been shocking and always wastes great postions.No way he'd get near any of the other top teams in the league but Babel definitely would.I know that much!

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Dirks stats are remarkable for a right winger. He's always in the right place at the right time and he scores goals. He gives 100% in every game. I'd take him over Babel any day of the week and I'm sure there's loads who would agree with me

[Phil!]

Fair enough bout the goals but besides that he has been shocking and always wastes great postions.No way he'd get near any of the other top teams in the league but Babel definitely would.I know that much!

I am a big fan of Babel but at the moment he has a good bit left to do to show he is deserving of a starting spot in our starting 11. Dirks name is one of the first names on the team sheet every week and I honestly dont think on current form Babel would get into any of the other top 4 starting teams

[scousepaddy]

Neither Kuyt or Babel are good enough. Shocking performance all round.


What do you want from a right winger? Kuyt is one of the more affective right wingers out there!!

[Liverpool-law]

What do you want from a right winger? Kuyt is one of the more affective right wingers out there!!

Yeah, but he's only scored 4 goals and made 3 assists by the end of september :rolleyes:;)

[scousepaddy]

Yeah, but he's only scored 4 goals and made 3 assists by the end of september :rolleyes:;)

Yeah your right we should have kept pennant and sent kuyt packing

[General]

1 Man avoiding all blame for last night is Rafa. I taught is selection of Aurelio in midfield was very strange considering his fitness and lack of games in that position recently. My biggest criticism for Rafa was his stubborness last night.
Adjustments were clearly needed in the centre of the park from very early on. We couldnt keep the ball and we couldnt get it back. Dropping Gerrard in there for 15 minutes, either as a 3rd CM or instead of Aurelio could have helped but it wasnt to be.

For the record I taught Benni, Aurelio,Gerrard, Kuyt, Insua, Johnson and Lucas were pure shite in the 1st half.

I am still confident we will qualify but we wont have any days off now.

Big Rafa fan here but impossible to disagree with this. I thought it was obvious aswell. Reckon he tried to compensate for Masch but still wanted to have two holding midfielders with Gerrard off Torres but it didn't work with Aurelio. Suppose not only the players have off days and Rafa has a hell of a lot more good days than bad ones.