Don't Buy The Sun

[liamo3]

This thread will be used to help educate Liverpool supporters of the boycott of The S*N newspaper. As liverpool fans we do not read or buy that rag. I hope this thread becomes the most viewed thread on this site and never let us forget our 96 Redmen who lost their lives on
15h April 1989.


Justice For The 96



http://www.anfieldroad.com/images/stories/hillsborough/sun_the_truth.jpg
The Sun, April 1989 lies printed
in this days issue led to a boycott
that is still going strong.


Don't buy The Sun

Written by Jim Boardman and submitted with Jim’s approval.

A surprising number of people seem unaware of the boycott of The Sun by supporters of Liverpool Football Club. Some don't seem to know it is boycotted, others don't know why. Some people rather disturbingly know why the boycott exists but still choose to buy it.

If you choose to continue to buy The Sun after reading this article, and the articles it links to, then you ought to stop calling yourself a Liverpool supporter. Collect any shirts or scarves you have, and hand them in to a charity shop. In fact you can't really call yourself a football supporter. The lies printed in The Sun that you will read about below were aimed at Liverpool supporters, people from Liverpool, people from the North of England, football supporters of any club. If you fall into any of those categories you certainly shouldn't be buying, reading, or visiting the website of that newspaper. If you are a decent human being you will be steering clear of it from now on, even if you've not done so before.

If you buy the paper regularly already, print off all of this information, and save your money tomorrow. Read these articles instead. If you still want to buy that paper the following day I would be surprised.

The boycott of The Sun goes back to April 1989. At the time of writing that is almost 17 years ago. On April 15th 1989 a disaster took place which resulted in the deaths of ninety-six Liverpool supporters at Hillsborough, the home ground of Sheffield Wednesday, during an FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. Ninety-six people had their lives crushed out of them. Many more are said to have ended their own lives since as a consequence of that disaster. A lot of injustices came out of that disaster, far too many to list here. For more information visit the Hillsborough Justice Campaign website at http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough and please try to support them.

This article concentrates on one piece of injustice that could so easily have been avoided. That could so easily have been made a little better, if not fixed, in the intervening years. Lies were printed as fact in a British newspaper, and that newspaper has still not made an unconditional apology for what it printed. Its editor of the time has never made an unconditional apology in all of that time.


The headlines and sub-headlines on the front page of The Sun newspaper on the Wednesday following the disaster were as follows:

“The Truth.
Some fans picked pockets of victims
Some fans urinated on the brave cops
Some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life.”

So just four days after their loved ones had died, four days after they had narrowly escaped death themselves, Liverpool supporters were confronted with those headlines. People actually believed those headlines. Those who were there did not believe the headlines of course, nor did those who knew people who had been there. Unfortunately though a lot of people did believe those headlines; people who were not Liverpool supporters, perhaps supporters of another team or people who did not follow football at all. The headlines sewed seeds in so many people’s minds that the 96 supporters died at the hands of their own kind. All lies, all proven to be lies, yet never put right by that publication.

For more on the media coverage, visit http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/media.shtm,
http://football.guardian.co.uk and Wikipedia .

The Wikipedia article says: “The story accompanying these headlines claimed that ‘drunken Liverpool fans viciously attacked rescue workers as they tried to revive victims’ and ‘police officers, firemen and ambulance crew were punched, kicked and urinated upon’. A quote, attributed to an unnamed policeman, claimed that a dead girl had been abused and that Liverpool fans ‘were openly urinating on us and the bodies of the dead’.”

Read that last bit again, it really was printed in a national newspaper.

Liverpool legend and the manager of the club at the time Kenny Dalglish was greatly affected by the tragedy. He attended numerous funerals and visited people in hospital, some of whom were in comas; he spent time with those that had lost their loved ones. In his autobiography he talks about the Disaster and recalls the media coverage:

“The press coverage was difficult to comprehend, particularly the publication of pictures which added to people's distress. There was one photograph of two girls right up against the Leppings Lane fence, their faces pressed into the wire. Nobody knows how they escaped. They used to come to Melwood every day, looking for autographs, and that photograph upset everyone there because we knew them. After seeing that I couldn't look at the papers again.

When the Sun came out with the story about Liverpool fans being drunk and unruly, underneath a headline 'The Truth,' the reaction on Merseyside was one of complete outrage. Newsagents stopped stocking the Sun. People wouldn't mention its name. They were burning copies of it. Anyone representing the Sun was abused. Sun reporters and photographers would lie, telling people they worked for the Liverpool Post and Echo. There was a lot of harassment of them because of what had been written. The Star had gone a bit strong as well but they apologised the next day. They knew the story had no foundation. Kelvin MacKenzie, the Sun's editor, even called me up.

“How can we correct the situation?” he said.

“You know that big headline – ‘The Truth’?” I replied. “All you have to do is put ‘We lied’ in the same size. Then you might be all right.”

Mackenzie said: “I cannot do that.”

“Well,” I replied, “I cannot help you then.”

That was it. I put the phone down. Merseysiders were outraged by the Sun. A great many still are.

There is no excuse for buying or reading The Sun. None whatsoever. If you read that newspaper, or worse still you buy that newspaper, after reading this article and those other articles that are linked to, then you are not fit to call yourself a Red. If you support another team, you should still be able to see why that newspaper should be boycotted. No matter what competitions they are running. Regardless of any “exclusives” they claim to have, even if it is the only paper left in the shop. Saying you bought it to get some tokens to help your daughter’s school to buy a new computer is not going to get you off the hook. It’s really simple:

Don’t buy the Sun.

http://www.anfieldroad.com/

[liamo3]

I would like to thank Peter Etherington for letting me post these
poems on his behalf.

The Sun's dead sound, it's got birds with big knockers."
Take them in work and decorate your lockers.
The sport in it's boss, especially the racin'.
And the 'oroscopes tell us the day we're all facin'".

"Don't you remember, you ignorant swine?
All the lies they told in eighty-nine.
Let me remind you just what they said.
We pissed on the bizzies and robbed our own dead."

"But the telly page's sound, they've got bingo and lotto.
And on one of the pages there's a nice little motto.
Anyway Evo I just didn't know.
It doesn't matter now it was so long ago."

"It does ****in' matter! It matters a lot.
People had children they've no longer got.
People had fathers they'll no longer see.
They said that I killed them, they said it was me!"

"Shut up will you Evo. You're always bangin' on.
Hillsborough and justice, all that carry on.
Anyway Evo get out of me face.
It's only a newspaper in any case."

"It's not a newspaper. A newspaper has news.
Not made up stories with which to abuse.
What they said was "The Truth" were all scurrilous lies.
We got no apology. What a surprise!"

"All right then Evo what should I buy?"
Tell me one, give me the reason why.
Which one do you think stands out from the rest?
The Mirror, The Echo, which one's the best?"

"Don't buy the Sun. It's fit only to burn.
Don't buy the Sun. There's nothing you'll learn.
I'll say it once more and then I'll be done.
Buy what you want but DON'T BUY THE SUN."
--------------------
I BELIEVE IT. DON'T YOU?

We all turned up late, without tickets and bladdered,
even a ten-year-old boy, well that's what I gathered.

We forced open a gate and started to push
Towards the front of the pen, caused the terrible crush.

Two girls at the front, screamin' and cryin'.
"Open the fence! There's people here dyin'!"

"Get back in there, you bloody Scouse yobs!"
South Yorkshire Police just doing their jobs.

Then they all realised something was wrong.
Scousers stopped singin' their favourite song.

That poor Scouser Tommy who took the King's shilling.
That poor Scouser Tommy who was ready and willing.

That poor Scouser Tommy who fought in the war.
Gave his life for his country. I wonder what for?

Brave bobbies put up with so much that day.
Even got peed on, that's what they say.

It was us! It was our fault! We killed our mates!
A manslaughter charge surely awaits.

But hey, don't worry! We won't go to jail!
We'll do a deal with the Judge; British justice won't fail.

How do I know all this is true?
It said in the Sun. I believe it - don't you?

Peter Etherington.

NINETY-SIX DEAD: NO-ONE TO BLAME

"THEY ROBBED THEIR OWN DEAD. WHAT A TERRIBLE SIGHT."
"THE TRUTH," SAID THE SUN, SO IT MUST BE RIGHT.
"DRUNKEN SCOUSE YOBS FORCED OPEN A GATE!"
SCREAMED THE BILE FROM THE SCUMRAG WE ALL HATE.
"YOBS PEED ON BOBBIES TRYING TO SAVE THEIR MATES LIVES."
HOW MUCH MORE WILL THEY TWIST THEIR KNIVES?
NO SCOUSER ON EARTH SHOULD EVER BE SEEN
WITH THAT PIECE OF DIRT, THAT RAG SO OBSCENE.
NINETY-SIX LIVES, NINETY-SIX GONE.
YET THE PEOPLE TO BLAME STILL CARRY ON.
EVERTON, LEEDS, SPURS AND UNITED
EVERY CLUB'S FANS WANT TO SEE THE WRONGS RIGHTED.
"IT COULD HAVE BEEN US," EVERYONE SAID
"WHOSE FANS WERE LEFT CRUSHED, INJURED AND DEAD."
WE ONLY WANT JUSTICE, WE DON'T WANT REVENGE.
WE ONLY SEEK ANSWERS, NOT TO AVENGE.
ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG (IT'S NOT TOO LATE)
IN GIVING THE ORDER TO OPEN THE GATE.
NINETY-SIX DEAD, "NO-ONE TO BLAME"
SAID A JUDGE UP IN LEEDS: BRITISH JUSTICE IN SHAME.
"THE TRUTH" WAS ALL LIES AND DISGRACED OUR GOOD NAME.
NINETY-SIX DEAD. NO-ONE TO BLAME.
NO POLICEMEN CONVICTED, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERED.
NINETY-SIX FAMILIES LEFT BROKEN AND SHATTERED.
NINETY-SIX LIVES LOST WATCHING A GAME.
NINETY-SIX DEAD. NO-ONE TO BLAME.

Evo (Peter Ethrington)
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WE'LL NEVER HEAR THOSE WORDS

Thirteen years later. Thirteen years on.
We've all cried for justice but we've had none.
We've had platitudes, condolences and "Never mind dear"
But we've never heard the words we so long to hear.

"We were wrong. It was our fault. We shouldn't have opened the gate."
We'll never hear those words no matter how long we wait.
"We didn't have enough ambulances, stewards or men."
We're not hearing it now and we didn't hear it then.

"Okay, we were wrong. You should have had the big end."
They'll never take the blame for our 96 friends.
"We didn't want a mix of Forest and Scouse."
They're all throwing stones from their big glass house.

"People WERE alive at six minutes past three."
They'll never admit it but they'll always be free.
"Well I can retire now. I've got a nice fat pension."
Said the horrible pig whose name I can't mention.

"We should have delayed the kick off, even if it was for an hour."
We'll never hear those words from their Ivory Tower.
"We know it wasn't your fault. We shouldn't have called you drunks."
We'll never hear those words from the reprehensible skunks.

What they're really saying is, "Yes, it was your fault, you trouble-causing Scousers.
Drunken and thieving you moaning mickey mousers."
They don't give a toss about us and our kind.
I wish they could have the demons in my mind.

[liamo3]

Btw thanks murf for yer help on this today mate we will
get yea over to one of the Tram nights mate

[Fowler's God]

Not many of us need educating over that Liamo in fairness but anyone who buys the s*n does need some educating! All if not all fans knows of McKenzie and what lies he told and how he gained financially off the back of it. He is sc*m of the sc*m, the likes of him paved the way for imrepsonsible journalism going on.

[paddyb]

great thread liamo
i think some younger fans are not aware of it.

[Murph]

Its okay Liam, great to have an educational thread for a change, seriously though the rag has even started saying they sold an extra 20,000 copies in Liverpool, no chance, its got its little sell and thats it, i would love to have an 100% no sell but its impossible, don't forget they do these surveys around merseyside, means nothing I work in St Helens merseyside but loads of Mancs who buy the rag, please dont buy or even read that scum rag, you know it makes sense.

[sean]

great thread liamo
i think some younger fans are not aware of it.

I agree, probably a few young fans out there who are aware of the issue, but don't know a whole lot about it. A good educational post for them only reading about it for the first time. Fair play.

[yodabenitez]

It's a wonderful post, the horror of the day comes back to me.

Don't you think you should remove or at least amend your tagline?

YNWA

[Gerry]

Good stuff liam we need to make sure everyone knows the score with this rag ! big thanks to murph and evo too for letting us put them pieces on here !

[Malzheimer]

One of the best threads so far.
JFT 96, never buy the s*n!

[liamo3]

Never Forgive Never Forget!

RIP the 96

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Colin Mark Ashcroft (19)
James Gary Aspinall (18)
Kester Roger Marcus Ball (16)
Gerard Bernard Patrick Baron (67)
Simon Bell (17)
Barry Sidney Bennett (26)
David John Benson (22)
David William Birtle (22)
Tony Bland (22)
Paul David Brady (21)
Andrew Mark Brookes (26)
Carl Brown (18)
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Gary Christopher Church (19)
Joseph Clark (29)
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Thomas Steven Fox (21)
Jon-Paul Gilhooley (10)
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Ian Thomas Glover (20)
Derrick George Godwin (24)
Roy Harry Hamilton (34)
Philip Hammond (14)
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Peter Andrew Harrison (15)
David Hawley (39)
James Robert Hennessy (29)
Paul Anthony Hewitson (26)
Carl Darren Hewitt (17)
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[MCCARTS]

Fantastic Post Mate

[liamo3]

Another good red & friend has kindly given Irish Kop permission to share in her powerful story Thanks Jo hope your enjoying yer holiday.

The effects of Mackenzie’s lies…

Been thinking for a while whether I could ever begin to write how the lies printed by Mackenzie affected me. There has been some amazing and brave stories written recently & standing on the Kop singing Justice for the 96 against Arsenal was one of if not the proudest moments of my life, I never thought that I could feel so proud and so sad at the same time.
My story is probably not that different to anyone else who was at Hillsborough but as part of the OTK family I just felt I wanted to talk about it.

Why now?
Dunno, suppose it’s the memories stirred up by Mackenzie.

My Story

I was always mad on Liverpool, strangely enough me Dad wasn’t into footie and my younger brother was too young. Didn’t stop me harassing me mum & dad for a season ticket for me fourteenth birthday though. They knew I was a tomboy but I reckon they thought I would grow out of it. Amusingly enough no-one seemed to really bat an eyelid when I started to go the match on me own. I didn’t care that I had no-one to go with, off I trotted with me Season ticket (princely sum of £55)!
I didn’t grow out of it, I just loved it even more. Slowly they got used to it but as I was only fourteen they wouldn’t let me go to any Away games, fair do’s I suppose especially as I was a girl!

The first away game I ever went to was Hillsborough in ’88 I was 15, the ticket as I recall was £6 and £7 for the train. Me mum got me up at the crack of dawn and made me a packed lunch. Thought I was the bees knees, going all the way to Sheffield on me own. Can still remember the walk down Leppings Lane, seemed miles from the train station! That was the year I went to my first Wembley and shed me first tears as we lost to Wimbledon. I was in one of the side pens at Hillsborough in ’88, I remember looking across at the two pens behind the goal & thinking how chocca they were. Madness I thought as I was standing in acres of space, looking back now the exact same thing happened in ’89, why didn’t they see it coming?

When it came to ’89 I was beside myself with excitement, I was really friendly with one of the teachers in school, we used to have loads of banter about the footie. He was a bluenose and I remember us both leaving school on the Friday afternoon. I wanted them to win for a change. I was too young to go to the final in ’86 but this was my chance to go to Wembley and see an all Merseyside Cup Final. I didn’t go on the train that year, went on the coach from Picton Clock, Home James I think the firm was called. Me mum took me to the coach (even though I was 16 now)! I don’t remember too much about the journey except for two things that stand out, the first one that our coach for some reason went though Manchester and everyone started singing the Munich song. I joined in blindly not really appreciating that I was singing about a tragedy. The second thing was the coach got stopped and searched for alcohol on route. That seemed to hold us up quite a bit as I remember panicking about missing kick off.

Then began the start of a long nightmare, I remember vividly seeing so many people queuing up outside just a mass of fans not even really in a queue. I was really worried about missing kick off by now but that was the least of my worries. I just remember next that someone decided to shut these two outer gates, but they never just shut them they kind of pushed them shut and caused us to be crushed in between the turnstiles and the perimeter gates. I remember thinking I was in big trouble then I was really squashed, on my own, smaller than everyone else. I thought no-one could see me. I really thought I was gonna die OUTSIDE the ground. I suppose because people don’t talk about Hillsborough, myself included I never really knew if anyone else felt so crushed outside.

When they opened the gates the first time I remember thinking thank god. They only let a few through at first to relieve some of the outside pressure. I don’t blame the police for that not the lads on the ground anyway. Some of them were getting just as crushed as us, I remember them looking frightened and one of them saw me and put his arm round me. He asked me who I was with and when I said on my own he tried to keep hold of me and stop me getting crushed. He was young and frightened and yes he was a policeman but it was the men at the top who were to blame not him. I heard him on his radio pleading for some guidance from a senior officer; he didn’t know what to do. Then they opened the gates again, this time for longer and relieved we all piled straight down the tunnel.

The rest as we all know is history and I don’t want to talk about the horrors that I saw after that.

The reason for this post is to talk about the relief I felt when someone opened those gates, I felt relief while m fellow fans at the front were crushed to death. When Kelvin Mackenzie published his lies I believed some of them and I was there.

For years I thought it my fault. I really thought that I personally helped to kill the people at the front of those pens. I went back to school on the Monday and got special treatment from the teachers, but I felt a fraud. Here people were being nice to me and wondering if I was okay but they didn’t realise that I wanted to them to open those gates that I was alive and the people at the front were dead. I saw those pictures, the crushed faces against fences and I wept. I helped to crush those people.

That is what the lies and the cover up done to people like me, they made me believe that I was responsible. Nearly two years of counselling before I started to believe it wasn’t my fault.

People like Kelvin Mackenzie made me think I was a murderer, and if you are reading this you might think well you were there you knew the truth but I was sixteen, an innocent kid going to a footie match. I thought the papers wrote the truth, yeah I knew that some of it was wrong. But I didn’t know what to believe. Whose fault was it?
A young policeman helped me, so was it the fault of the police, so many questions.

It took me years to find and accept the answers, so to all the liars on that day especially Mackenzie I hope you are proud of yourselves because you made one tragedy into two. You made me believe I was responsible for those deaths when I wasn’t. You ruined my teenage years (although at least I was alive) but most of all you still after all these years cause me pain.

The difference?

I’m older, wiser and I know THE TRUTH.

JUSTICE FOR THE 96

YNWA

Jo

[JOE]

Touching story...I remember reading through thousands of pages of cases brought by the families of those who suffered that day, when I was studying Law...

[cianomahony]

Outstanding post!! Shivers!!

[gav003]

great post- really appreciate the time and effort that went into this & it is a must for fans who are 'Unaware' of the situation.

[flashm]

Excellent post liam, we should never forget what happened on that fateful day and we should educate all red fans about the 96 and make sure that rag is never bought by liverpool fans again. Also all fans that go over to anfield should make a point of visiting the hillsborough justice shop right out side the ground

JFT96.

[liamo3]

Just to clarify most of the posts I put on this thread are not mine but are brave Redmen & Women who are constantly looking for justice I have just gathered them here so people can see what truly happened. I my friends am only the messenger its them you should applaud

[yodabenitez]

THE best post ever, anywhere, about anything...respect liamo

[johnlemmon]

you are still the messenger Liam and can accept the gratidtude of those who give it...

mate sometimes you have to accept the thanks and good wishes of others, it's called pride and pride comes before a fall...!!

now, down to seriouis business, yes it is good to have a new site for everything Liverpool FC... as we are a worldwide phenomenon... (shoot, try saying that after a few sherbets..!@!@!)...

the young and new supporters need to be educated because there are so many myths and stuff flying around that the truth must be told...

here is one site I would like you all to look at...

http://justicefor96plus.forumup.net/viewtopic.php?t=27&mforum=justicefor96plus&sid=24aa214d52f56ed4de1ef8a0ceef6d62

and in future days I will be posting a lot of information and some of it will shock those of you who do not know what actually happened...

but anyone who ever read The Sc*m that day will never forget the impact it had on a whole community, so I will start off by saying that I want you all to go out and tell anyone you see reasding or buying The Sc*m newspaper to take it home and burn it...

we will give you a list of reasons why you should do that and tell others to do the same

bye 4 now

Lemmo...:cool:

[liamo3]

We are not alone in our fight for Justice thanks to our Celtic brothers

Hail Hail The JungleBhoys

Posted by DennisBhoy on the unfurling of their Justice banner last season

DennisBhoy here from JungleBhoys it was a great honour to show solidarity with HJC at Sundays game with rangers......I will give you a brief overview of how the day went. I was the nominated co-ordinator for the HJC banner and distribution of the HJC stickers....

We arrived at Celtic Park at 09.15 with the intention of targetting the media with stickers to let them know something was on the go........We targetted the photographers with stickers and loads of the photographers took the stickers and stuck them on their camera cases......We then had a meeting to discuss tactics with banners and got the HJC banner in place......we then went out to the main stand ant gave out stickers to supporters and players etcetera who were arriving..Paul Hartley took one and put it on his lapel....As I am a person who thinks on his feet i seen Everton Manager David Moyes coming up to the ground and I caught his attention at first he thought I was some punter after an autograph but soon changed his attitude when he seen the sticker and after I explained about the banner, he was openly moved about the whole event and he said that the people of Liverpool will take this gesture to their hearts for life...He then asked for more stickers and wished us all the best. We then managed to catch all of Scotland religious leaders who attended the game and they were happy to take the stickers and I explained about the banner and our solidarity with the HJC.

Then we entered the stadium still giving out stickers and proceeded to banner position BadgeMan was already in place...as luck would have it a Scouse Evertonian who lives in Glasgow was sat right next to where the banner was being flown from and he was wearing HJC badges that he bought via JB's earlier.

The banner stuck out big time and the rendition of Walk On was sang with a passion different than normal which led to another rendition of Walk On at the start of the second half. We will continue with our solidarity and support for HJC and the 96. I look forward to coming to Liverpool to hand over the banner I beleive that it's our duty to fly this banner at Anfield, so we shall meet soon brothers and sister and remember "You'll Never Walk Alone"

See Links to Banner photo's
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lawrence.freeman/flags/1.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1522/dsc00691ny5.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7314/bannerswt7.jpg

Hail Hail

DennisBhoy

[clarni]

That is an impressive flag. Nobody could ignore that one.

Fair play

[liamo3]

Our King

[liamo3]

The Boycott is not just on Merseyside

Boycott The S*N & The Irish S*N they are the same no Red should ever buy this rag.

If you are presently un-aware of the boycott, after reading this thread you won't be!!!

[Murph]

Here is a story from a good mate i go the game with and have a drink with he lost his brother at Hillsborough at the age of 17 Graeme Joh Wright. i know this is a dont buy the Sun thread,, but can you imagine how Wrighty feels when you have match going reds reading thei shitty paper when they acused his brother for what happened that day. its a sda story telling you what happened when he went searching for him


Just thought I'd try and put everything down into words , words that sum up the pain that this night means to me !
A few of you know me out there , and I come on here occasionally to have a laugh etc , one thing I've never done on here is to tell everyone that My brother died at Hillsborough , Its not something I ever wanted to do and thought I would ever do as well !
I can get through the 15th April , the memorial takes up time , going to the Cememetery takes up time , My Family take up my time But when the nightime comes , everything comes back to haunt me !I'm on my own !
On the 15th April 1989 , I was a twenty year old lad , didn't have a care in the world , it was me,myself & I only ! That day changed me forever , The way I thought , the way I lived was gone !
That night after arriving back from Sheffield that day at around 8pm After hours of waiting in the house , phoning emergency numbers ,phoning hospitals etc ! I decided I had to do something , so along with a very dear friend of mine (Peter) I headed into town , heard there was transport to Sheffield free that night leaving from Hatton Garden , Getting down there we couldn't see a thing , so I headed to Radio City in Stanley Street to see if they could do anything for me .
Well I ended up in a Taxi , the journey was done in virtually complete silence not knowing what to expect when we got there and what to do anyway!
The Taxi seemed to take an age to get there , once in Sheffield we headed for the Hospitals , The Northern General & Hallamshire are the ones I went to if I remember rightly .
In there I asked in desperation if anyone had seen my younger brother , getting frantic at this time , my memory now fades into a kind of dream state , looking back now !
I was told to go back down to Hillsborough Stadium, It was about 4am on the 16th , to see the police there.
Well alls I remember now , is that I ended up in a side room to what I know now to be the gymnasium.
Confronting me on a wall was dozens and dozens of pictures of OUR dead fans ! With me being now in a total state of shock , I was shouting "he's not there, He's Not there" when Peter pointed at a picture and said "He's there" , In disbelief I studied the picture hard I still couldn't believe it , There was my little brother who'd been with me all my life , On a picture , On a wall ,all battered and bruised . Forgive me anyone , this is killing me writing this !
They(the police) took the picture away , I can't tell you how long they were gone , but within a moment in time I was taken into the gymnasium were below my feet , on the floor lay a green body bag , the bag was unzipped and there lay my brother , I touched his face , I even checked his clothes to make sure it was him ! It was just me trying to deny it , I didn't want it to be him , He looked so sad , I held him for a second before he was taken away from me !
Well then I had to sit down , be interviewed , Now I was in No fit state to be interviewed at this time , being asked if he'd had a drink and all that shite was already in the mindset of the Police ! The scapegoat was there ! And that scapegoat was me & my dead brother !
After the interview , if I could ever be as low as this again , I'd kill myself first !
I had to phone home from the gymnasium , the number had to be dialled for me ,because basically I couldn't see the dial !
The Phone rang , a couple of times before My elder brother answered , "I'm sorry" I said " He's dead" I can't recollect now what my brother said because all I can remember is the sound of My Mum screaming in the background ( That will live with me forever !)
My Dad then got on , and told me to make sure I got back home safely .
I left Hillsborough on this morning 12 years ago , a broken young man , and I'm still broken today !
The Taxi ride home , there is nothing i remember about it , I remember arriving home though and I gave the Taxi driver £20 quid for his help ( a couple of days later he returned it !) , thanked Peter for his help , and went into my house , My Mum and Dad were still up , It was nearing 7am by this time ! We all just sat there in disbelief , empty & alone with our own feelings .
The Nightmare had only just begun !
So once again I ask for forgiveness for upsetting anyone , But this is my most terrible night, I can't sleep , and I had to share it with some !
I will go down to the Dockers club to support the match as I am a proud memeber of the H.J.C. and if anyone see's me in the Albert before the Derby , Don't comment on the bags under my eye's because You'll know the reason why !

YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE -- JUSTICE !





Thanks to everyone for helping me through this year's anniversary.
On this 18th year .... I truly have NEVER WALKED ALONE !

Eternally grateful

HAIL HAIL

wrighty

[liamo3]

YNWA Wrighty lad


That story has me in bits Murf, tell Wrighty he has Reds here
if he ever needs us mate.

[Murph]

Sorry Liam.

[mmstack]

Outstanding posts lads. But just to remind people there are still some Irish unaware or just don't care. On our last trip to the Derby game. I come across 4 Liverpool supporters, clearly reading the Sun. This was on the boat over. 'ALL 4 HAD A COPY..' They wheren't with our group. Should have taken a picture. Unbelievable. And these lads wheren't kids they where grown men who should know better.

[liamo3]

Outstanding posts lads. But just to remind people there are still some Irish unaware or just don't care. On our last trip to the Derby game. I come across 4 Liverpool supporters, clearly reading the Sun. This was on the boat over. 'ALL 4 HAD A COPY..' They wheren't with our group. Should have taken a picture. Unbelievable. And these lads wheren't kids they where grown men who should know better.

And that my friend is the main reason that this thread is here to educate those who are un-aware, although in this day and age and after truth day last year you must be living on mars if you are un-aware of the boycott.

[cakesnjelly]

Nice one Liam

Never ever buy the sun

[Murph]

Outstanding posts lads. But just to remind people there are still some Irish unaware or just don't care. On our last trip to the Derby game. I come across 4 Liverpool supporters, clearly reading the Sun. This was on the boat over. 'ALL 4 HAD A COPY..' They wheren't with our group. Should have taken a picture. Unbelievable. And these lads wheren't kids they where grown men who should know better.



Its a pity you never got a picture mate, we need to name and shame these ****ers now, let everyone see who the ****ers are.

[SUPERFAN]

this is an extract from a Book called Boys From The Mersey by Nicky Alt.
As People were struggling onto the already overcrowded Terrace,some never to return,down at the Notts Forest End there was plenty of space;in fact,it was almost exactly the same set up as the Semi Final the Year before.the only huge difference was that the previous game had been supervised by a Chief Superintendent Mole,an officer with renowned crowd control experience.metal barriers and a police ticket checkpoint had let the crowd filter through the year before.not providing the same blockade control into the stadium this year meant somebody in authority had made that choice.IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT.this year though,the commander in charge was a rookie cop as far as football crowds were concerned.
the crush outside the ground before the game became unbearable.i know,because i'd had to literally burrow my way to a turnstile gate,one among an insufficient number of entrance points available that day.the panicking police commander,newly promoted Chief Superintendent Duckinfield then gave the order to open the big gates.the man inauthority had made that choice.IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT.once that order was carried out and the heaving crowd moved through a short subway-type tunnel that directly into the cage-like terrace pens Three and Four,ninety six Liverpool supporters agonisingly penned-in behind the goal by huge steel fences were crushed to death.
i looked on,helpless,while the police stood by.some even had the temerity to push people back in to the terrace pens as they struggled for life.as the worried about pitch invasions instead of trying to save lives,people were dying in front of their faces.IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT.some of the officers on duty that day made that choice.some people tried to escape the unfolding deathtrap by climbing over the high perimeter fences,but they were pushed back in.minutes later,the first supporters to evenyually fight their way out onto the pitch showed foresight and common sense by trying to pull those same fences down,so people had some sort of chance of survival.yet again,they were stopped bluntly in their tracks by apolice force not skilled,not trained and ill equipped emotionally to deal with an unfolding tragedy of this magnitude.once the steel fences could not be quickly torn down,the fans - mostly kids and younger adults - had no chance.it was later discovered that Sheffield Wednesday Football club was negligent with it's own stadium's safety procedures.
the crush barriers in those dreaded pens were too weak,the capacity had been set twenty -two per cent higher than the pens could safely house and there was an inadequate amount of turnstiles for people to enter on the day.were all of these safety issues also ACCIDENTS?somebody must've thought,because no prosecution of the club ever arose.
the cover-up and whitewash that followed was about as conniving,deceitful and low as any bunch of robbers' dogs could get.they tried to say the gate had been knocked down by Liverpool supporters,a MASSIVE lie,as Duckinfield- though only under pressure - eventually admitted.they tried to say that fans were drunk and lawless,in a headline story that was leaked to the xxx newspaper by a south yorkshire police force ready to try anything to deflect the blame,another MASSIVE lie.they said the crucial videotape from just before three o' clock to just after three,showingthe two corner sides of the Leppings lane End with SPACE and the two middle killing-pens vastly overcrowded,had mysteriously gone missing.i can bet it wouldn't have gone missing if an officer had been killed.
when Duckinfield had given the order to open the gates,as he panicked about trying to to ease the pressure outside,the supporters automatically walked straight through the tunnel that led directly into the two jam-packed middle pens.with that tunnel leading straight to the heart of the central part of the terracing,it was like walking in to a deathtrap,a cage you couldn't get out of.you couldn't turn around,there was no going back,as the tunnel sloped down in to the terraces.no police were on hand inside the gate and turnstiles to direct the in-coming supporters to the sides of the terrace where more space was readily available.because people were not instructed about the already over-crowded middle pens (not even a simple announcement over the tannoy) or guided to the corners of the terracing,a now severely jammed crowd caused a weak crush barrier to collapse.the crush barrier couldn't hake the crush.this resulte in people falling underfoot,many never to regain a footing.with Duckinfield's inexperience of crowd control,and the already poor state of certain safety features within and around the stadium,this was simply a tragedy waiting to happen.the fact that nobody has been brought to book or admitted full negligence is almost a tragedy in itself.
families who had to go to Hillsborough to identify relatives later that day were unbelieveably grilled about whether or not hteir loved ones had been drinking.the highli insensitive cover-up tactics had already started.all these shattered people wanted to do was to be left in peace to try to gather their thoughts.can you imagine being asked questions about your son's behaviour,in a blaming tone,as he lay among the dead in the room adjacent,on the day he decided to innocently attend a football match involving his favourite football team?the word insensitive sounds like an understatement to me.subsequent public enquiries have seen police evidence doctored,lies admitted and Duckinfield retire on grounds of ill-health so he wouldn't have to answer accountability questions ever again.a 3.15pm cut-off point for evidence was also put in place,when it was later found out that some people had died long after quarter past three.let me make that clear.no evidence can be submitted to the court if it happened after 3.15pm that day.yet surely,if some people had died long after that time,then the evidence of "time,how and why" had to be listened to?
somebody,later on in the evening after the tragedy had unfolded,entered the ground's security camera control office and removed evidence.well,whoever you are,i hope you can look yourself in the eye when you remove that police helmet before washing you face at night.it all stinks.the pessimism i feel when writing,or even thinking about this,fills me with doubt and despondency about our so-called justice for all.so much so that i was ready to head a chapter like this
HILLSBOROUGH: THE MASSIVE COVER-UP
end of chapter

[liamo3]

Great book that Willie its a must for anyone wanting to know
what it was like to be one of the original roadenders. First clobbered up mobs

[kop75]

Outstanding posts lads. But just to remind people there are still some Irish unaware or just don't care. On our last trip to the Derby game. I come across 4 Liverpool supporters, clearly reading the Sun. This was on the boat over. 'ALL 4 HAD A COPY..' They wheren't with our group. Should have taken a picture. Unbelievable. And these lads wheren't kids they where grown men who should know better.

sadly there was few lads off our group who did have a copy of the sun with them.

[redsquirreler]

keep the light burning for the 96 good red fans great thread
and all the best for your new role





This thread will be used to help educate Liverpool supporters of the boycott of The S*N newspaper. As liverpool fans we do not read or buy that rag. I hope this thread becomes the most viewed thread on this site and never let us forget our 96 Redmen who lost their lives on
15h April 1989.


Justice For The 96



http://www.anfieldroad.com/images/stories/hillsborough/sun_the_truth.jpg
The Sun, April 1989 lies printed
in this days issue led to a boycott
that is still going strong.


Don't buy The Sun

Written by Jim Boardman and submitted with Jim?s approval.

A surprising number of people seem unaware of the boycott of The Sun by supporters of Liverpool Football Club. Some don't seem to know it is boycotted, others don't know why. Some people rather disturbingly know why the boycott exists but still choose to buy it.

If you choose to continue to buy The Sun after reading this article, and the articles it links to, then you ought to stop calling yourself a Liverpool supporter. Collect any shirts or scarves you have, and hand them in to a charity shop. In fact you can't really call yourself a football supporter. The lies printed in The Sun that you will read about below were aimed at Liverpool supporters, people from Liverpool, people from the North of England, football supporters of any club. If you fall into any of those categories you certainly shouldn't be buying, reading, or visiting the website of that newspaper. If you are a decent human being you will be steering clear of it from now on, even if you've not done so before.

If you buy the paper regularly already, print off all of this information, and save your money tomorrow. Read these articles instead. If you still want to buy that paper the following day I would be surprised.

The boycott of The Sun goes back to April 1989. At the time of writing that is almost 17 years ago. On April 15th 1989 a disaster took place which resulted in the deaths of ninety-six Liverpool supporters at Hillsborough, the home ground of Sheffield Wednesday, during an FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. Ninety-six people had their lives crushed out of them. Many more are said to have ended their own lives since as a consequence of that disaster. A lot of injustices came out of that disaster, far too many to list here. For more information visit the Hillsborough Justice Campaign website at http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough and please try to support them.

This article concentrates on one piece of injustice that could so easily have been avoided. That could so easily have been made a little better, if not fixed, in the intervening years. Lies were printed as fact in a British newspaper, and that newspaper has still not made an unconditional apology for what it printed. Its editor of the time has never made an unconditional apology in all of that time.


The headlines and sub-headlines on the front page of The Sun newspaper on the Wednesday following the disaster were as follows:

?The Truth.
Some fans picked pockets of victims
Some fans urinated on the brave cops
Some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life.?

So just four days after their loved ones had died, four days after they had narrowly escaped death themselves, Liverpool supporters were confronted with those headlines. People actually believed those headlines. Those who were there did not believe the headlines of course, nor did those who knew people who had been there. Unfortunately though a lot of people did believe those headlines; people who were not Liverpool supporters, perhaps supporters of another team or people who did not follow football at all. The headlines sewed seeds in so many people?s minds that the 96 supporters died at the hands of their own kind. All lies, all proven to be lies, yet never put right by that publication.

For more on the media coverage, visit http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/media.shtm,
http://football.guardian.co.uk and Wikipedia .

The Wikipedia article says: ?The story accompanying these headlines claimed that ?drunken Liverpool fans viciously attacked rescue workers as they tried to revive victims? and ?police officers, firemen and ambulance crew were punched, kicked and urinated upon?. A quote, attributed to an unnamed policeman, claimed that a dead girl had been abused and that Liverpool fans ?were openly urinating on us and the bodies of the dead?.?

Read that last bit again, it really was printed in a national newspaper.

Liverpool legend and the manager of the club at the time Kenny Dalglish was greatly affected by the tragedy. He attended numerous funerals and visited people in hospital, some of whom were in comas; he spent time with those that had lost their loved ones. In his autobiography he talks about the Disaster and recalls the media coverage:

?The press coverage was difficult to comprehend, particularly the publication of pictures which added to people's distress. There was one photograph of two girls right up against the Leppings Lane fence, their faces pressed into the wire. Nobody knows how they escaped. They used to come to Melwood every day, looking for autographs, and that photograph upset everyone there because we knew them. After seeing that I couldn't look at the papers again.

When the Sun came out with the story about Liverpool fans being drunk and unruly, underneath a headline 'The Truth,' the reaction on Merseyside was one of complete outrage. Newsagents stopped stocking the Sun. People wouldn't mention its name. They were burning copies of it. Anyone representing the Sun was abused. Sun reporters and photographers would lie, telling people they worked for the Liverpool Post and Echo. There was a lot of harassment of them because of what had been written. The Star had gone a bit strong as well but they apologised the next day. They knew the story had no foundation. Kelvin MacKenzie, the Sun's editor, even called me up.

?How can we correct the situation?? he said.

?You know that big headline ? ?The Truth??? I replied. ?All you have to do is put ?We lied? in the same size. Then you might be all right.?

Mackenzie said: ?I cannot do that.?

?Well,? I replied, ?I cannot help you then.?

That was it. I put the phone down. Merseysiders were outraged by the Sun. A great many still are.

There is no excuse for buying or reading The Sun. None whatsoever. If you read that newspaper, or worse still you buy that newspaper, after reading this article and those other articles that are linked to, then you are not fit to call yourself a Red. If you support another team, you should still be able to see why that newspaper should be boycotted. No matter what competitions they are running. Regardless of any ?exclusives? they claim to have, even if it is the only paper left in the shop. Saying you bought it to get some tokens to help your daughter?s school to buy a new computer is not going to get you off the hook. It?s really simple:

Don?t buy the Sun.

http://www.anfieldroad.com/
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[liamo3]

Another Gem by Mr Etherington


DON’T BUY THE SUN!

A play by Peter Etherington

Cast: Narrator/Evo
Dicko – a Liverpudlian Sun reader
Macca - a Liverpudlian Echo reader
Vic - an Evertonian Sport reader
Joanne – canteen lady and Mirror reader

The play is set in a works canteen – circa 2003

Vic, Dicko and Macca are sitting at a table eating breakfast and reading papers. Joanne is behind canteen counter serving breakfast. Narrator enters front of stage with “Eternal Flame” playing in the background. Music fades.

Narrator: The Eternal Flame – what does it mean
in this works canteen where we set our scene?
Dicko, readin’ the Sun. That’s not good,
readin’ the rag that dragged our name through the mud.
The rag that caused us all so much hurt.
Rubbin’ our reputation in the dirt.
Let’s go an’ see what we can do
with an educated word or two.

Narrator walks towards table to take on the part of Evo.

Evo: Do us an omelette please Jo.
Joanne: Okay Peter. What d’yer want on it?
Evo: Everythin’ Jo! The full monty! Anything that’s fell on the floor or yer’ve scraped up or anythin’ out of date and yer can’t use!
Joanne: Oh, the usual then?
Evo: Yeah, the usual!
Vic: You still floggin’ those books Evo lad?
Evo: Yeah, a few girls in the office want them and some of the ware’ouse lads. Why, d’yer wanna buy one Vic?
Vic: Yeah, I might do when I run outta bog roll Evo.
Evo: Ah, I’m fair splittin’ me sides ‘ere Vic. Never ‘eard that one before mate!
Macca: Seen this Evo? We’re supposed to be signing Zidane.
Evo: It’s not Zi-Dane we need Macca – it’s ****in’ Desperate Dan!
Macca: Letter in ‘ere Evo from a bluenose. Reckons Rooney’s the best player they’ve ‘ad since the war.
Evo: Oh, so we just forget all about Ball, Kendall, Harvey, Vernon, Labone, Young, Gabriel, Southall, Sharpe, Sheedy, Steven, Bracewell and Reid then do we?
Vic: Well I agree Evo, e’s ****in’ brilliant!
Evo: Well you ****in’ would! You thought Brett Angel was good!
Vic: D’yer think we’ll qualify for Europe this season Evo?
Evo: Yeah, if Cliff Richard writes yer a ****in’ song! Last time your fans went to Europe the bizzies chucked youse off the ferry ‘cos yer threw the cannonballs over the side!
Vic: ****in’ ‘ell Evo! Seen this in ‘ere? MAN WANKS OFF HORSE!
Evo: Oh, says in the Sport does it Vic? Must be right then mustn’t it?
Macca: Do you ****in’ ever believe anythin’ that’s in the papers Evo?
Evo: Yeah, the ****in’ date! Mind yer, I’d rather believe what’s in the Sport than that bag of shite Dicko’s readin’.
Dicko: What’s ****in’ wrong wi’ me readin’ this?
Evo: I’ll tell yer what’s ****in’ wrong with it Dicko. Now where d’yer want me to start? It’s a shite paper – always ‘as been a shite paper! For **** sake Dicko, yer a Scouser an’ a ****in’ Liverpudlian at that! What the **** are yer doin’ readin’ that?
Don’t yer remember what they said abarr us after Hillsborough?
Dicko: For **** sake Evo, I was only eight at the time!
Evo: It doesn’t ****in’ matter ‘ow old yer were Dicko! They told some ****in’ awful lies abarr us!
Dicko: Well they didn’t tell them abarr me, I wasn’t ****in’ there! I told yer – I was only eight!
Evo: But yer missin’ the ****in’ point Dicko; they were sayin’ it abarr you! They were sayin’ it abarr all Scousers, not just Liverpudlians either, ‘cos they ****in’ ‘ated Scousers! This was ****in’ Kelvin McKenzie we’re talkin’ abarr and Rupert ****in’ Murdoch. It was the era of Maggie ******* Thatcher, in the middle of eighteen years of Tory misrule that we’re still payin’ for now, who ****in’ ‘ated us on Merseyside. They were sayin’ it abarr me, you, the woman next door, yer Ma, yer Da, yer Granny and yeah, even yer ****in’ little kid brother who wasn’t even born then!
Dicko: Maggie who?
Evo: **** off!
Joanne: Peter, yer omelette’s ready.
Evo: Okay, ta Jo. I’ll come over now.

Evo leaves table to collect breakfast from counter. Conversation goes on without and about him while he’s away.

Dicko: ****in’ ‘ell, ‘e doesn’t ‘alf bang on doesn’t ‘e?
Macca: Yeah, but ‘e’s right though Dicko; yer shouldn’t be readin’ that, especially not in front of ‘im.
Vic: Ah, **** ‘im! Let ‘im read what ‘e likes.
Dicko: Is right Vic! ‘E’s always rantin’ on abarr somethin’ or ****in’ other! If it’s not Hillsborough it’s ****in’ workers rights or somethin’!
Macca: Yeah, well you’re a worker ‘ere right? Or supposed to be!
Dicko: Yeah!
Macca: An’ Evo’s yer shop steward, right?
Dicko: Yeah!
Macca: Well ‘e’s fightin’ for your rights yer soft twat!

Evo returns to table.

Vic: ****in’ ‘ell Evo, the size of that!
Evo: That’s what all the boys say!
Puzzled look on Vic’s face.
Evo: I don’t know whether to eat it, fight it or ****in’ climb it!
Macca: I think yer might ‘ave a good go at eatin’ it Evo!
Evo: Yeah, I think I just might.
Joanne: Mind if I join yer lads while I ‘ave me break?
Macca: Nah, carry on Jo.
Joanne: Urgh, what’s ‘e doin’ readin’ that?
Dicko: Don’t you bloody start Jo! I’ve ‘ad enough with ‘im!
Joanne: Yeah, but Liverpool supporters don’t read the Sun do they?
Evo: See, even she knows an’ she’s just a St. Helens egg-chaser!
Joanne: Oh Peter, an’ I thought yer loved me!
Evo: Only messin’ Jo!
Dicko: **** me; look at the tits on this one!
Macca: Ee arr Dicko, there’s a girl’s bike ‘ere!
Evo: Dicko, I don’t mean to ‘ave a go at yer lad but it winds me up to **** yer readin’ that! I’ve got a copy of the Sun with that headline “The Truth” when they told all those lies abarr us. The HJC lent me it. It’s in me locker. I’ll get it later and show yer.
Dicko: The HJ what?
Evo: ****in’ ‘ell Dicko! The Hillsborough Justice Campaign!
Dicko: Never ‘eard of it mate.
Evo: Oh, yer do ****in’ surprise me!
Dicko: What’s it all abarr then?
Evo: Well, they ‘elp victims and families of victims of Hillsborough. They’ve ‘elped me.
Dicko: Well you’re not a victim Evo; you survived it.
Evo: Oh, so I’m not a victim, no? It’s ok then to suffer trauma and not be able to sleep properly for years after? Okay, the real victims are the people who died and their families an’ of course we all feel for them but it’s not nice to go through this:
Six minutes past three on that tragic day.
The pain and the trauma won't go away.
Crushed as I was in that terrible pen.
Dead bodies around me; one as young as ten.

[liamo3]

Cont.





I was big and strong, so I scrapped and I fought
To save my own life; well that's what I thought.
Because inside I'm dead and it cuts like a knife
That ninety-six died and I have a life.

I did what I had to; I had three kids you see.
I couldn't die; it couldn't be me.
If I had died that day I never would have seen
My Ma's last seven years: My dear old queen.

Ninety-six souls haunt my dreams.
The nightmares won't stop; that's what it seems
I wake up sweating, shivering and shouting out loud
"There's ninety-six dead in that bloody crowd!"

I feel anger, I feel hatred, I feel guilt, I feel shame.
Ninety-six souls tell me I'm not to blame.
So why do I wake up screamin’ and cryin’
Seeing the faces of young people dyin’?

Ninety-six souls come to meet me each night
Takin’ me back to that terrible sight.
"They're to blame: Duckenfield and Murray
We'll get justice one day. We're in no hurry."

I should have died that day: I know that's a fact.
With the ninety-six souls I've made a pact.
"When my days are up and my judgement awaits
I'll meet you all in heaven at the Bill Shankly Gates."

I’ll go an’ get that paper.

Evo walks off stage to take on the role of narrator.

Narrator: So, yer see, what is to be
a voice all alone in a huge factory.
Dicko’s got his opinion – got his own mind
But it makes it worse that he’s one of our kind.

Narrator/Evo (sometimes reading from the Sun.)

We all turned up late, without tickets and bladdered,
even a ten-year-old boy, well that's what I gathered.

We forced open a gate an’ started to push
towards the front of the pen, caused the terrible crush.

Two girls at the front, screamin' and cryin'.
"Open the fence! There's people ‘ere dyin'!"

"Get back in there, you bloody Scouse yobs!"
South Yorkshire Police just doing their jobs.

Then they all realised somethin’ was wrong.
Scousers stopped singin' their favourite song.

That poor Scouser Tommy who took the King's shillin’.
That poor Scouser Tommy who was ready and willin’.

That poor Scouser Tommy who fought in the war.
Gave ‘is life for ‘is country. I wonder what for?

Brave bobbies put up with so much that day.
Even got peed on, that's what they say.

It was us! It was our fault! We killed our mates!
A manslaughter charge surely awaits.

But eh, don't worry! We won't go to jail!
We'll do a deal with the Judge; British justice won't fail.

‘Ow do I know all this is true?
It said in the Sun. I believe it. Don't you?

"THEY ROBBED THEIR OWN DEAD. WHAT A TERRIBLE SIGHT."
"THE TRUTH," said the Sun, so it must be right.
"DRUNKEN SCOUSE YOBS FORCED OPEN A GATE!"
screamed the bile from the scumrag we all hate.

"YOBS PEED ON BOBBIES TRYING TO SAVE THEIR MATES LIVES."
’Ow much more will they twist their knives?
No Scouser on earth should ever be seen
with that piece of dirt, that rag so obscene.

Ninety-six lives: Ninety-six gone.
Yet the people to blame still carry on.
Everton, Leeds, Spurs and United.
Every club’s fans want to see the wrongs righted.

"It could have been us," everyone said,
"whose fans were left crushed, injured and dead."
We only want justice, we don’t want revenge.
We only seek answers, not to avenge.

Admit you were wrong (it’s not too late)
in giving the order top open the gate.
Ninety-six dead, "No one to blame"
Said a judge up in Leeds: British justice in shame.

"THE TRUTH" was all lies and disgraced our good name.
Ninety-six dead. No one to blame
No policemen convicted, that’s all that mattered.
Ninety-six families left broken and shattered.

Ninety-six lives lost watching a game.
Ninety-six dead. No one to blame.


Evo returns to canteen.

Evo: Ee arr Dicko, take a look at that.
Dicko takes a cursory look at it.
Dicko: But Evo, The Sun's dead sound; it's got birds with big knockers.
Take them in work an’ decorate yer lockers.
The sport in it's boss, especially the racin'.
And the 'oroscopes tell us the day we're all facin'.
Evo: Don't yer remember, yer ignorant swine
All the lies they told in eighty-nine?
Let me remind you just what they said.
We pissed on the bizzies and robbed our own dead.
Dicko: But the telly page's sound, they've got bingo and lotto.
An’ on one of the pages there's a nice little motto.
Anyway Evo I just didn't know.
It doesn't matter now it was so long ago.
Evo: It does ****in' matter! It matters a lot.
People ‘ad children they've no longer got.
People ‘ad fathers they'll no longer see.
They said that I killed them. They said it was me!
Dicko: **** off will yer Evo. Yer always bangin' on.
Hillsborough and justice, all that carry on.
Anyway Evo get out of me face.
It's only a newspaper in any case.
Evo: It's not a newspaper. A newspaper ‘as news.
Not made up stories with which to abuse.
What they said was "The Truth" was scurrilous lies.
We got no apology. What a surprise!
Dicko: All right then Evo what should I buy?
Tell me one, give me the reason why.
Which one d’yer think stands out from the rest?
The Mirror, The Echo, which one's the best?
Evo: Don't buy the Sun. It's fit only to burn.
Don't buy the Sun. There's nothin’ you'll learn.
I'll say it once more an’ then I'll be done.
Buy what you want but DON’T BUY THE SUN!

“Eternal Flame” plays in background as players move to front of stage, take a few pages each of the Sun and rip it into little pieces.

THE END


Any of you lads get a chance to buy Evo's books do it they are an excellent read from a fans perpestive.

[phil]

I've read these things so many times and I'm still bawling. Any red who even reads a stray copy of the *** should go support the mancs. Justice will prevail.

[corkkopite]

Its sad that we have to keep reminding people that these lies were published by the S**. I know a few supposed supporters who still buy that paper even though I keep reminding them what was said :mad:. There's still too much ignorance out there among our fellow Reds, Unbelievably I was asked during the Arsenal game last season what all the protest was about.......

Justice for the 96!!! Never forgotten.

[dave]

Education at it's finest here people

[RastaRed]

sadly there was few lads off our group who did have a copy of the sun with them.


Mate of mine whos been supporting the Reds for over 20 years still buys that rag no matter how much info Ive told him and sent him just because of Keely(Dont get me wrong, what a woman) and her pals. How do we educate idiots like this

[liamo3]

Mate of mine whos been supporting the Reds for over 20 years still buys that rag no matter how much info Ive told him and sent him just because of Keely(Dont get me wrong, what a woman) and her pals. How do we educate idiots like this


He is educated falls into the catagory "choses to ignore" He can't really call himself a true supporter then in my eyes, a lot of glory hunters out there don't be too shocked by it.

[Gerry]

Spot on liam ! It absolutely disgusts me to hear of people like this who call themselves liverpool supporters,how can he call himself a supporter if he buys that rag ! next time you see him with it you should set it on fire in his hands !

i wonder if he would walk into the albert or the sandon and tell everyone he does not give a **** about the boycot or the memory of the 96 friends we lost ! really pissed off to hear that there are still idiots like that out there ! he should be ashamed of himself !

[dave]

You can't educate idiots.

It's like trying to get the best effect of a torch in the middle of the day, it just doesn't happen!

[JOE]

Originally Posted by kop75
sadly there was few lads off our group who did have a copy of the sun with them
I saw them too, they were sitting beside me at one stage...

[BornaRedLass]

That story Murph printed had me in tears. Put one of the poems up on my bebo. Great post lads

[SUPERFAN]

by Pete Evo
six minutes past three on that tragic day
the pain and the trauma wont go away
crushed as i was in that terrible pen
dead bodies around me;one as young as ten
i was big and strong,so i scraped and fought
to save my own life;well that's what i thought
because inside i'm dead and it cuts like a knife
that ninety-six died and i have a life
i did what i had to do;i had three kids you see
i couldn't die;it couldn't be me
if i had died that day i never would have seen
my ma's last seven years:my dear old queen
ninety-six souls haunt my dreams
the nightmares wont stop;that's what it seems
i wake up sweating,shivering and shouting out loud
"there's ninety-six dead in that xxxxxx crowd!"
i feel anger,i feel hatred,i feel guilt,i feel shame
ninety-six souls tell me i'm not to blame
so why do i wake up screaming and crying
seeing the faces of young people dying?
ninety-six souls come to meet me each night
taking me back to that terrible sight
they're to blame:duckinfield and murray
we'll get justice one day,we're in no hurry
i should've died that day:i know that's a fact
with the ninety-six souls i've made a pact
"when my days are up and my judgement awaits
i'll meet you all in heaven an the bill shankly gates."

[sean]

Its great to see that this topic has gotten over 600 views so far - as pointed out already, its some education.

[SUPERFAN]

4 Days after the Disaster AC Milan played Real Madrid in a European Cup Semi Final.
after 6 Minutes the Game was stopped for 1 Minute as a mark of Respect.
a touch of true Class!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZrVfMRyoE0

[Garrett]

Mate of mine whos been supporting the Reds for over 20 years still buys that rag no matter how much info Ive told him and sent him just because of Keely(Dont get me wrong, what a woman) and her pals. How do we educate idiots like this



I persume this is one of the page 3 birds, why don't he just get a subscription to Playboy or something else instead ... God knows, theres' plenty of nudity on the net if he wants a bit of that ;)


Anyway, the bottom line here is no true Red supports the Scum in any manner, shape or form .. end of story !

[callyno3]

4 Days after the Disaster AC Milan played Real Madrid in a European Cup Semi Final.
after 6 Minutes the Game was stopped for 1 Minute as a mark of Respect.
a touch of true Class!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZrVfMRyoE0


Fantastic gesture. saw this a couple of times and hairs stand on the back of my neck everytime

[Kopite]

When I was in desperation after the match in Athens I was Hobbling around the airport ( i was on crutches, how far was that stadium away??) and there was loads of Liverpool fans lying on the ground reading the sun. It beggars belief really.

That story from Wrighty was amazingly sad.
No matter how many of us reds show our support for him, we forget about it a few minutes later...him and his family can never and will never forget about it. Thats the best way to think about it, it hits you then I think.

YNWA

[Kopite]

Another little anecdote on this topic.

Paul Cook was named manager of Sligo rovers in April this year. At the press conference when he was unveiled he stated that he was from Liverpool and that he will not have anything to do with any journalist from the Irish Sun.

A brilliant statement IMO so fair play to him. More of the same please from everyone else.;)

[liamo3]

JUSTICE FOR THE 39!

why don't you educate your members on this also?


There have been prison sentences handed down for Hysel & apologies from our club as well as a hand of friendship to Juventus fans. Different topic I want to keep this on Topic thank you

[The Kopfather]

To be honest i never really knew or fully understood the events following that horrible day. This thread helps to clear up some questions. Cheers liam. Thankfully i never purchased that rag and now i never will

[Alex Raisbeck]

I persume this is one of the page 3 birds, why don't he just get a subscription to Playboy or something else instead ... God knows, theres' plenty of nudity on the net if he wants a bit of that ;)


Anyway, the bottom line here is no true Red supports the Scum in any manner, shape or form .. end of story !

Why dont they get themselves a crackin girlfriend like the rest of us.

[Gerry]

Was approached by a reporter from that rag (well the irsh version) last week to speak about an accident i witnessed, those who know me and my beliefs will know what kind of answer he got from me !

[fitzpatrickgary]

great thread let us never forget the 96 just watched the itv documentary (was out few years back) lately makes the horrors of that day so real

[Ligger]

Was approached by a reporter from that rag (well the irsh version) last week to speak about an accident i witnessed, those who know me and my beliefs will know what kind of answer he got from me !


Why bother talking to an eye witness, he could just make it up himself..

[Gerry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scdcPZFnM-Y&mode=related&search=

Seen this on you tube , note the reference to the sunday sun for anyone thatg thinks its anew thing !

[stevieg]

next time you see him with it you should set it on fire in his hands !
!

Thats a terrible thing to be advocating especially from a moderator.

[Daz]

Thats a terrible thing to be advocating especially from a moderator.

thought it was a rather leniant suggestion myself!!!

[Gerry]

Thats a terrible thing to be advocating especially from a moderator.

The terrible thing is someone who claims to be a red reading it, why not burn it in his hands why show him respect when he shows none to the people who lost loved ones ? anyway not getting into petty rows with you as i had enough of you the last time !

[stevieg]

The terrible thing is someone who claims to be a red reading it, why not burn it in his hands why show him respect when he shows none to the people who lost loved ones ? anyway not getting into petty rows with you as i had enough of you the last time !

Feeling is mutual!

No need to physically harm someone you could easily burn his hands or whatever.

Would you do it to Gerrard or Carragher ?seeing as they wrote or did whatever for NOTW ?

Dont think you would, you would probably be getting an autograph off them if you met them.

[Gerry]

Have made my feelings clear on both papers now lets leave this thread on topic !

[LOU2]

excellent thread, was such a horrible day in liverpool's history, will be wearing my 96 top to the tram which was given to me by the nwlfcsc.

[Terry Conlon]

Just watch out for the dope's on the ferry going to the Birmingham game on Saturday that will be reading the S*n. There's always one or two.

[Gerry]

Just watch out for the dope's on the ferry going to the Birmingham game on Saturday that will be reading the S*n. There's always one or two.

Sadly thats all too true terry mate but hopefully with threads like this and the education campaign we can get the message out to all that should know better

[Gerry]

Saw one of the ambulance men picking a copy of that rag up from the ground in the main stand on saturday, we were both sick to think a so called red would bring that rag to anfield,

Hang your head in shame whoever you are !

[Aido82]

someone had it on the bus aswell, he got slated

cant believe people still dont know about it

[flashm]

unfortunatly no matter how much we tell people not to buy that rag alot dont listen that is their choice but no matter what we have to keep getting the message out to Liverpool fans (and others) if you see a fan reading it slate him but tell him why and maybe then he might realise... that bloke on the bus hopefully learned his lesson after i brought it to everyones attention (boy did he get slated)

[Garrett]

Next time your in Anfield, just nip into the charity shop, make a donation of a few squid & collect some "Don't buy the Sun" stickers ...

you can stick them anywhere, as Pam once discovered on a Ryanair flight to Athens ;) :D :D: :D

[carragherisgod]

My girlfriend came home one day and said "LOOK AT THIS ARTICLE!! IT'S AMAZING!!"

So I took the paper thinking it was anything BUT the Sun as I warned her ages ago never to touch it. Then I saw what it was!! I opened my back door and threw it out in the rain

"What did you do that for?" she asked. I looked at her with burning eyes and she just said ... "Oh .... sh*t. Sorry"

All is forgiven now. It was about five hours before we spoke after that.

[16IrishScouser16]

im a young fan and i kno not 2 buy the sun!my da was at the match over a different side of the stadium wen it happened.

[callyno3]

Lyrics from the manics song

The subtext of this song
I've thought about it for so long
But it's really not the sort of thing
That people want to hear us sing

The context of this song
Well I could go on and on
But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night

South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night

The reason for this song
Well maybe it's a pointless one
But thank you Jimmy McGovern
For reminding me of what lives on

The ending for this song
Well I haven't really thought of one
There's nothing I could ever say
That could really take the pain away

South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night
South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night

[galwayred]

Here's a suggestion as to how to educate at least a small number of Irish reds about the issue most important to our football club. It would also help keep the travel club 100% s*n free.

I would imagine the vast majority of those who travel with the travel club are members of this site. Therefore they express interest in travelling, arrange payment, etc through the site.

Would it be possible for the mods to have a standard text explaining the reasons and meanings of the s*n boycott? PM this text to anyone wishing to travel with the travel club, with a section at the bottom where they reply to the PM stating they have read the text, understand it, and endorse it.

This would solve the problem of people travelling with the club reading the rag, or saying they were unaware of the boycott. It also does so in an educational, non-confrontational manner.

[galwayred]

Lyrics from the manics song

The subtext of this song
I've thought about it for so long
But it's really not the sort of thing
That people want to hear us sing

The context of this song
Well I could go on and on
But it's still unfashionable
To believe in principles

South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night

South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night

The reason for this song
Well maybe it's a pointless one
But thank you Jimmy McGovern
For reminding me of what lives on

The ending for this song
Well I haven't really thought of one
There's nothing I could ever say
That could really take the pain away

South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night
South South Yorkshire - mass murderer
How can you sleep at night, sleep at night

Has anybody got a youtube or audio link for this?

[Cupcakes]

Just watch out for the dope's on the ferry going to the Birmingham game on Saturday that will be reading the S*n. There's always one or two.

Was just about to write same myself.. feel sick in my stomach seeing reds reading this muck. So much for solidarity

[wickla_mucker]

Anyone at Athens this year?
Loved when some of the crowd managed to nick a pile of The S*n from a news-stand and set fire to it on steps of Syntagma.

Well always have some stupid ignorent ppl going about.... bad enough when the Irish mancs etc need explaining to, but when we have to tell our fellow reds its just embarrasing!

Justice for the 96.

[KOP Season Ticket Holder]

The sun is a total joke Reds should not buy it or even read it !

Hi Lads,

I am a scouse lad who spends his time between Dublin and home so please just listen to what i have to say and don't think offence from it as i love the Irish people.

I was in one pub in town named the Crown where i met a few fellow reds who are mates for the Birmingham Match (You are lucky if you were not there ) Anyway could not believe my eyes When i seen some reds who all had a copy of the Sun Newspaper . I was with my mates and one of them to be fair is a little hot headed and lost it and went up to these Reds to ask what the hell was going on ! It Turned out they were Irish Reds and never heard of the situation that scouse people have with the Sun after Hillsbrough where they made rediculous claims against us Reds . Please google it for information or go to some of the other Red sites.

I would just like to maybe mention it to you lads coming over that we do take offence to this paper and while some of the Irish lads were a bit iffy at the start when i calmed myself and my mate down and explained the situation they put the papers away and we had a couple of ales with them.

However i was telling a couple of my mates at home and they said they had the same problem with Irish fans who were in Wetherspoons before a game last season where they refused to put them ( The Sun Newspaper) away and a few dabs were thrown at my mates (As you all know the Liverpool way is not to fight with each other).

As i said earlier i spend so much time in Ireland that i really love the people and i know 90% ( Some of the Irish don't seem to be genuine, same as Londoners) mean no harm by it but maybe you could spread the words to fellow Reds coming over that the S*N is a major no no over here, so please do not bring it over even if it the Irish version. As i said earlier i hope nobody takes offence from this post but you need to understand our feelings on the matter.

Look forward to having some ales with you later in the season

Regards,

Tom

[reder]

Alright Tom,

Most irishreds are very familar and totally anti the S*n. Unfortunately since 2005 and 2001 (to a lesser extent), MANY people from here have jumped upon the LFC bandwagon and are ignorant towards the HJC and the anti-S*n rule.

Most long term travelling reds (go to games week-in, week out), well the ones I know anyway and I know a fair few, take time time to pull irishreds who read it to one side and explain the situation to them. Once the offender realises what he/she is doing they immediately bin the rag. However, like every other social grouping on the planet we too have out fair share of clowns, you obviously came accross some of them in the Crown that day.

PS: You should add wearing GAA jerseys and bringing the irish flag to games to your list. Drives people mad id say!!!

[Gerry]

Just seen a link to this an another siter and thought it was worthy of a mention in here !

http://www.youcare.com/

[Fowler's God]

Just seen a link to this an another siter and thought it was worthy of a mention in here !

http://www.youcare.com/

I was goin to post it meself, seen it on RAWK...signed it....

[carragherisgod]

Signed that petition.

Unfortunately since 2005 and 2001 (to a lesser extent), MANY people from here have jumped upon the LFC bandwagon and are ignorant towards the HJC and the anti-S*n rule.

Very true. I was always very angry at ANY Liverpool "fan" reading that rag of a paper. Now I understand why there are more than I used to see a few years back.

[Digger88]

This might be slightly off-topic but related - a significant
amount of the sports/news media in the UK and Ireland are
anti-Liverpool FC in general as far as i can see - what the Sun
did was the worst ever example. So called unbiased sports writers/
presenters will go out of their way to criticise the manager/team/
board at any slightest excuse. RTE panel of Dunphy (ex-united),
Giles(ex-united), Brady are one example - moan moan moan, criticise, criticise - i can still remember the doomed look on their faces after Liverpool won the Champions League! Unfortunately
some people believe what they read/hear.

[KOP Season Ticket Holder]

This might be slightly off-topic but related - a significant
amount of the sports/news media in the UK and Ireland are
anti-Liverpool FC in general as far as i can see - what the Sun
did was the worst ever example. So called unbiased sports writers/
presenters will go out of their way to criticise the manager/team/
board at any slightest excuse. RTE panel of Dunphy (ex-united),
Giles(ex-united), Brady are one example - moan moan moan, criticise, criticise - i can still remember the doomed look on their faces after Liverpool won the Champions League! Unfortunately
some people believe what they read/hear.

To be honest i am too sure about what they are like in Ireland and can't but i think the press are so anti-Liverpool FC over here. To be fair the media helped us big time to get us back into the Champions league after the amazing win in 2005

[harrybosch]

Guys,

Something that really annoys me is people who use the excuse of ignorance in the ''oh we didnt know vain''. In fairness, who can call themselves a fan of the club and yet not know about our darkest moment as fans?.. The feigning of ignorance is common amongst those who are caught reading the rag...this is my opinion is not something that should be accepted too easily......its too easy to say oh i didnt know........My answer, well why the f**k do you call yourself a LFC fan

[Digger88]

Another thing i've just noticed is that the sun now sponsor
Sky Sports News...(why on earth they need a sponsor
anyway?)...going to drop it soon from subscription
sooner rather than later. Think Setanta will have
a news channel eventually anyway :-)

[Kopite]

I agree with the post above that ignorance is no excuse for "new" fans buying the S*n but you cant have a go at people for starting to support after we win the biggest competition in the world. Thats why there is a sticky thread like this one to educate them. In all my years going to the city of liverpool I have never even heard of any anti irish feeling and in fact it has been the opposite with everyone from fans, taxi drivers and strippers ( :D :D) loving the irish. To the scouse lad Tom, you are very welcome to irishkop and I just ask you guys to be patient with us paddys and educate as you go along.

[callyno3]

Has anybody got a youtube or audio link for this?

Sorry no. Don't think they released it as a single. you can download it from itunes or youll have to buy the album:p

[mypost]

Thats a terrible thing to be advocating especially from a moderator.

Agreed.

I must say that I have found some of the language used in the thread to be very disturbing, and is going down to the level that the people (I won't call them journo's, as it would be an insult to genuine journalists everywhere) who wrote the rubbish all those years ago used themselves. We're supposed to be above that at this club.

I remember the day of the disaster well, watching the game on tv that day like most Irish Reds. I remember how it affected everyone. I also dismiss what was written in the Sun at the time as deranged, disgraceful sh!te. I don't need to be "educated" about it. I have no personal ban on the moderate Irish Sun/INOTW, as in order to ban it, I would have to also ban BSKYB, the BBC, and related print media as they are all inter-connected with each other.

Liverpool's next game is live on Sky. Are we not allowed to watch it, because of the Murdoch/Sun-Sky connection?? Are we not allowed to watch us play on MOTD, while McKenzie works for the BBC?? I hate McKenzie as well, but I have to draw the line somewhere.

I fully understand why people ban the Sun, but I also accept that other people can and do read what they like in a free country. I also have contributed to HJC's, and spend considerable time at the Memorial each time I am at Anfield.

[Gerry]

Every one entitled to thier opinion but i personally will never understand people buying the s*n, freedom of choice or not i will never forgive them for the hurt they caused ! and people that call themselves liverppol supporters and buy that rag or try to justify themselves or others buying it should have a good long look at themselves !

[liamo3]

Would hate this thread to turn into a debacle about what type of fans we are or what language should and should not be used I set the thread up to educate yes educate! If you think you are beyond education well don't read it, if you also think any form of the Sun paper is ok be it Irish, Welsh Scottish etc... I think you need more than education in fact I think you need another team to support because as far as I'm concerned anyone that is "educated" and does not support the boycott imo is not a Red that is a fact. I have bit my tongue big time writing this post and I make no apologies to anyone who considers the "moderate Irish Sun" to be beyond boycott!! As its already been said by another poster they are the worst kind.
JC your dead right mate no justification for buying any copy of the rag!

The quote below ladies and gentlemen is the exact reason I wanted this thread in existence


I don't need to be "educated" about it. I have no personal ban on the moderate Irish Sun/INOTW, as in order to ban it, I would have to also ban BSKYB, the BBC, and related print media as they are all inter-connected with each other.

[dubit10]

Well said liamo.I have no problem with "New" liverpool fans.All are welcome but they do need to know our history and the campaign is a huge part of that.Ive been on buses and flights where supporters are reading the sun and it makes me sad that they dont understand just how important it is to the city of liverpool and that includes Everton fans IMO.Hell ive even got a mate who is a Man Utd fan(Who doesnt)who doesnt buy it.I think its a rag anyways.Keep up the fight lads and spread the word to all supporters

[WexRed]

Mypost. You don't seem to realise that there are plenty of young Irish Reds that do need to be educated. You have your opinion, I can't say I respect it, but please don't dilute the big message that the thread was setup to convey to those lads through no fault of their own (not even born at the time !) not in the know.

You know the facts and have chosen your reaction to it as your conscience allows. Many don't know the facts and unknowingly distance themselves from the majority of Reds, most of whom were educated as to the facts as kids from growing up on Merseyside.

To an extent the traditional good name of Irish Reds has been sullied by this and I would say that it is one of the main principles of this site to try to remedy that in whatever way it can. We have a strong policy of upholding the boycott like no article links allowed and most certainly no sign of it on travel club trips. You might also find yourself covered in Don't Buy The Sun and JFT96 stickers in the Albert if you're within 5 yards of Pam as I have been on occasion :D

Personally I think and I reckon any Reds that boycott the English s*n would agree that an Irish cop out on their "moderate" version of the rag is pathetic and basically a joke. On this there is no grey area so no point in getting into a one on one argument with you. You've made your personal choice and this thread is to educate others to allow them to make their's. As for the language used, why are you surprised at that given the ultra-emotive nature of the thread ? Any language and opinion around this is always strong never "moderate" !

[liamo3]

Can I make totally clear to any Liverpool supporter who is not familiar with Hillsborough and any events surrounding it that we as fans uphold a boycott of The Sun newspaper of any form this includes "The Irish Sun" for reasons which can be found through this thread.

[carragherisgod]

Man. Even my old man won't buy it. And he's a Man United fan!!

Any Pool fan worth his salt will never buy that thing they call a newspaper needs their heads examined. Any of the newer Liverpool fans that buy it need to know why they shouldn't.

Great thread.

[Garrett]

...

Any of the newer Liverpool fans that buy it need to know why they shouldn't. ...


Infact, I'd even take that a step further mate, anyone calling themselves a Liverpool fan should not buy it end of story. Ignorance, is an excuse that can be used on a once off basis, but even that's a stretch .... true fans know our history and respect it.

[fitzpatrickgary]

On The Boat On Sat And Yet Again Red Fans Reading The Scum One Of The Lad S Gave Them Some Stickers From The Hjc Shop

[mypost]

I set the thread up to educate yes educate!

This thread wasn't set up to educate people. It was to get "uneducated" LFC fans to stop buying/reading the Sun, and to remind those that don't, why they don't.

as far as I'm concerned anyone that is "educated" and does not support the boycott imo is not a Red that is a fact.

That's not a fact, but an opinion.

The fact is, there are no pre-conditions to supporting LFC. LFC welcomes fans of all states, all backgrounds, and all lifestyles equally. It is not a requirement that you don't read the Sun, but a personal choice. You've made your choice. I don't feel any less a Liverpool fan by not imposing a ban, for the reasons I have already stated in my last post.

The newspaper that I usually buy (Irish Daily Mail) is perceived to be an anti-Irish newspaper. So, if I read it, does it make me any less Irish?? Not in the slightest. All the tabloids here are dominated by Irish news, Irish reporters, Irish production and editorial teams, in Dublin offices. So they are in many forms, different newspapers. I believe that the Irish Sun doesn't even publish McKenzie's column.

We have a strong policy of no sign of it on travel club trips. As for the language used, why are you surprised at that given the ultra-emotive nature of the thread ? Any language and opinion around this is always strong never "moderate" !

I feel that sensitivities dictate that you should observe it on club trips, and while in Liverpool itself. Re the language: Some of it here is much stronger than I have seen on such threads on the .tv forum. And I've been reading them for years.

[Gerry]

I feel that sensitivities dictate that you should observe it on club trips, and while in Liverpool itself. Re the language: Some of it here is much stronger than I have seen on such threads on the .tv forum. And I've been reading them for years.

Surely the fact that you are saying that makes you know its not right to read that rag ? you choose to ignore all you want, your stance on this matter disgusts me. next time you are in liverpool i could inrtoduce you to people who lost loved ones in the tragedy maybe you would like to try and explain your views to them ??

I for one will never sullie the memory of our 96 lost friend by buying or reading that rag !

Never buy the s*n

[wickla_mucker]

Sorry mate, but i cant agree with you at all here.
You allude to sensitivities.

As a true Liverpool supporter how can one not be aware of the sensitivities of the families and friends of the 96?

So what if McKenzie's column is or isnt posted in the Irish S*n, the paper as a name took the liberty to print the disgusting offending articles.

I for one am very dissappointed to see a supposed red who is actually aware of the issues at hand questioning the 'ban'.

[liamo3]

Mypost = Wind up merchant I'm not biting anymore to him looking for a reaction!!! Not going to delete his posts either going to let the Irish liverpool fans that go regular see the type of guy that give genuine fans a bad name I for one won't sullie the memory of 96 Redmen and then go and put an enternal flame anywere near my chest. The message of this thread is soo much stronger than one bad fans opinion fact!!!

[SUPERFAN]

Lads,i've posted in this Thread a few times before but only in relation to the Disaster,never about the Ban.that's not to say i don't agree with it,i completely do,but i've learned over the Years not to get Worked up about it.
the vast majority of "uneducated" will stop Buying it once they become informed,they're the People to concentrate on.
let People who have differing opinions have their say,just don't get worked up about it or react to it.you're not going to change People like that so don't even bother trying.i'd like to think anyone who reads through this entire Thread who's not aware of the Ban will emerge with only one Opinion and that's the one held by the Majority on here......
sadly,a close Family Member of mine continues to Buy the Sun to this Day.he's a Lpool Fan,he's older than me and he should no better.it's bad enough that he Buys it here,but he's been known to Buy it across the Water:mad:
last Season,on our way to the CL Semi Final,he bought it in Manc Airpoprt to Read on the Train to Liverpool:o.i would've had no Sympathy,nor would i have got involved,if he had been Confronted or,worse still,got a Slap
what can you do?as i already said you can't change People like that...

[Garrett]

Hi

It's a shame to see fellow members of this site, minority as they may be, supporting the rag - Irish edition or otherwise, it's the same imho.

To hold the rag in your hand, with the logo on it alone, is a sign of disrespect for fellow reds and in particular, the families of those who lost someone.

Without wanting to see us fall out about this topic, I'd strongly encourage everyone reding this to do their own research on the topic before they consider buying this publication.

[mypost]

To hold the rag in your hand, with the logo on it alone, is a sign of disrespect for fellow reds and in particular, the families of those who lost someone.

And watching Sky (same owner), and BBC (you know who) isn't??

As I have already highlighted, if you're going to ban the Sun, then you must also boycott the media networks associated with it. The fact that they're not newspapers, makes no difference. It's a case of all or nothing on this matter.

I pay my respects to the victims when I visit the Memorial. It's an obligation for every Liverpool fan when at Anfield, imo.

[liamo3]

if you're going to ban the Sun, then you must also boycott the media networks associated with it. The fact that they're not newspapers, makes no difference. It's a case of all or nothing on this matter.
.

Your wrong there is one official boycott supported by the HJC and is recognised as one of the most successful boycotts ever and is supported by 1000's of Liverpool fans and that is the Boycott of the s*n not the BBC not SKY not any other media only the S*n, The fact that they are not The S*n newspaper makes it a difference, the debate as to weather we boycott any other form of media is not for this thread, now mypost will you refrain from trying to influence this topic with your justification to buy the so called moderate S*n if you want to buy it and you feel ok with calling yourself a Red then you go ahead and do it but stop influencing your views in this thread your views are inaccurate because there is no official boycott of any other media.

My opinion is if anyone paying respect to the memorial and buys the rag knowing the history you are a c**t sorry I won't dress it up any other way a grade a c**t!

[galwayred]

And watching Sky (same owner), and BBC (you know who) isn't??

As I have already highlighted, if you're going to ban the Sun, then you must also boycott the media networks associated with it. The fact that they're not newspapers, makes no difference. It's a case of all or nothing on this matter.

I pay my respects to the victims when I visit the Memorial. It's an obligation for every Liverpool fan when at Anfield, imo.

Then why did you say earlier that it's ok to read the Irish S*n but unwise to read The S*n if in Liverpool. So you won't buy or read it in Liverpool, but it's fine to do so here? That's hardly all or nothing.

And before you say it's so as not to offend people, can you just clarify if you think all those in Liverpool (or elsewhere) who boycott it are wrong, and if so, why? Can you see where those who boycott it are coming from?

Also, regarding you saying there are no 'preconditions' to supporting Liverpool, to me there is one precondition above all others: educating yourself about Hillsborough. If after doing that you still cannot comprehend or agree with the reasons for the boycott then I, for one, am baffled.

[Dub13]

Ok I have tried to stay out of this so far but things are heating up.

MyPost has some views on this that are not the norm for most supporters,he is perfectly entitled to them.We let him air his views on the site even if they proved understandably very unpopular.We could have gone down the road of deleting his posts,alot of other forums would have done this but I am a firm believer in letting people have there say even if I don't agree with them.

In saying that I don't want this forum to turn into a anything goes type of place.IrishKop have a policy of educating people not to buy the sun and supporting the Justice Campaign,if Mypost or anybody else feels these do not merit their support thats fine its your choice.We will let you have your say,but you will have to understand this is a very emotional issue and things get heated very fast.It would be counter productive to the Irishkop policy of supporting these campaigns if we turn a blind eye to members here pushing another agenda.

So for the greater good of the site I am asking all to stop this current discussion,I could close the thread but we are all adults here and I feel there is no need for that.Nobody is going to change there view on this so I think its time we all agreed to disagree.

Dub13

[kop75]

[ Some of it here is much stronger than I have seen on such threads on the .tv forum. And I've been reading them for years.[/QUOTE]

and there lies your problem
.tv forums has a higher ratio of clueless reds as ive seen anywhere.
to compare sky or even the bbc to the sun is ridiculous(and i'd use stronger wording but those posts always seem to be deleted by liamo ;) )
all the families of the victims have ever called ofr is a boycotting of the sun newspaper,nothing else.if you fail to understand that ,well...

[south]

well said Dub13

[mypost]

Just to address 2 other questions raised:

And before you say it's so as not to offend people, can you just clarify if you think all those in Liverpool (or elsewhere) who boycott it are wrong, and if so, why? Can you see where those who boycott it are coming from?

Yes, I do see where they are coming from, and no, I don't think they are wrong to boycott it. You can't open a book, or watch a DVD/video of the history of our club, without finding a piece on Hillsborough. That is in my eyes, adequate education. Fans are able to make up their own minds on the disaster, and what happened afterwards themselves.

regarding you saying there are no 'preconditions' to supporting Liverpool, to me there is one precondition above all others: educating yourself about Hillsborough.

Again, I repeat that there are no preconditions to supporting Liverpool FC. We all support the same team, and share the same goal. We may not always agree on everything, and not many share my opinions on this, but that's the way it is. We are all equal and welcome Liverpool FC fans regardless.

IrishKop have a policy of educating people not to buy the sun and supporting the Justice Campaign,if Mypost or anybody else feels these do not merit their support thats fine its your choice.We will let you have your say,but you will have to understand this is a very emotional issue and things get heated very fast.

I understand that it is an emotional issue, and unlike certain other posters, who should know better, I am expressing my views in a calm and respectful manner. Hillsborough is along with Heysel, the saddest chapters in our history, and the club, the city, and it's people have had to take an awful lot of pain for many years, both personal and collective, not just on a football level, but on a social level also. The JFT96 battle is of many forms, is not restricted solely to one issue here, and a cause that I continue to support.

In saying that, it's important that posters read posts fully, before replying and labelling fellow reds, as one poster has attempted to do. I did not say here that I buy or indeed read the Irish Sun, (I have already stated that I usually buy another one) what I did say, is that I have not imposed a personal ban on it. I have explained very clearly the reasons why twice, which are valid reasons, imo. If others don't agree with them, that's fine.

I agree that views are not going to change on this issue, so I will leave it alone now. I have nothing more to say on it.

mypost

[galwayred]

I can see your point to an extent , but I can't agree with it. Now I know you haven't said you buy or read the rag, but you don't condemn Irish Reds who do so.

The fact is that in 1989 The S*n (and plenty of other publications) made up shocking lies, sensationalised them, and stuck them on front pages of newspapers for one basic reason, to sell more newspapers, ie make more £££. It is reasonably safe to assume that the papers carrying those headlines sold way more copies than they would on your average Wednesday or whatever. Every newspaper bar one later apologised and retracted what they had said. The S*n didn't, and still haven't, making a poor effort at an apology 3 years ago which basically turned into another snide attack on Scousers.

Therefore to me, the boycott is a simple but highly effective way of hurting The S*n where they feel it most: in the pocket. In 1989 The S*n used the death of 96 football fans (maybe 95 or less at the time) as a tool to make more money with absolutely no regard for the dead, their relatives, or survivors. Instead of hailing survivors who through pure bravery saved many other lives, they basically accused these survivors of pickpocketing and pissing on those they had actually done all they could to save.

Put yourself in their shoes, returning from a game after witnessing at close quarters all those deaths. Maybe drawing some small crumbs of comfort from having done all they could. Now imagine 3 days later seeing all those headlines, basically seeing yourself accused of this. Knowing that by merely saying you were there, many people associated you with pissing on dead bodies.

Now, armed with all this knowledge, please explain to me how you can buy the S*n, or how you somehow excuse fellow Liverpool fans for doing so. That it's okay for Liverpool fans to buy or read the rag, despite the insensetivity and downright evilness it displayed towards fellow Liverpool fans in 1989, which it has never apologised for.

Yes Mackensie was the instigator behind it all. Yes he appears on the BBC now. Yes Murdoch owns the 'corporation' owning the S*n or whatever, yes most of us watch Sky Sports. The arguement of all or nothing doesn't wash for me. Some people may choose to boycott all the above products. Some extend it to other products; I myself won't touch the NOTW. But it just keeps coming back to that front page headline, which as far as The S*n newspaper is concerned still stands, it is a valid front page which has never been retracted. What they did was scandallous, but they are unwilling, or unable to apologise, even with the benefit of hindsight, The Taylor Report, etc.

Remember that they set out to grab your attention with that headline, in an effort to make you pick it up and buy it. They wanted your cash that day, why despite being aware of their sick lies do you give them your cash nowadays? Imagine their glee to see Reds reading their paper.

How can anybody somehow not condemn buying the S*n with that image of the front page headline in their minds?

[liamo3]

^^^^^^

What he said and he said it very well top post Eoghan

http://www.anfieldroad.com/images/stories/hillsborough/sun_the_truth.jpg

[sean]

Ya, great post.

[stamullenredmen]

lads just dragging this up to be respectful to liamo and make a point.was sat in work today on a break three liverpool fans and a villa fan.im always banging on about stuff like the boycott that and next thing one of the redmen produces the rag.i said who bought that,and he goes i did.staying suprisingly calm i go did you not hear of the boycott and hillsborough and all that??then the villa lad goes yeah hes right its bad form you bought that and we all had a word but hes insisting a paper is a paper.

on that note i want to print off some of the stories to bring in to him,if this is a problem im sorry but under these circiumstances i hope you understand

[stamullenredmen]

maybe im like a dog with a bone but what i posted above was wrecking my head been surfing a bit more on it and found the final proof to blow that its an irish paper bollix outta the water,lifted off rawk

Being a shitbag runs in the family, then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/02/sun.pressandpublishing
Guardian Unlimited
Friday November 2 2007

Craig MacKenzie, the deputy editor of the Irish Sun, has been suspended after a number of allegations were made against him.

MacKenzie, brother of the Sun columnist and former editor Kelvin, was suspended earlier this week, MediaGuardian.co.uk can reveal.

MediaGuardian.co.uk understands that several allegations have been made against MacKenzie but that they do not involve any financial impropriety.

"We don't comment about staffing issues," a spokesman for the Sun said.

The Sun is investigating the allegations while MacKenzie is suspended and a formal disciplinary procedure could result once the process is concluded.

MacKenzie joined News International in November 2004 to work on the Irish edition of the Sun.

Three months previously he was made redundant from his post running Trinity Mirror's titles in the Republic and Northern Ireland after eight years with the company.

The allegations are understood to relate to management of staff and were made after MacKenzie was recently put in charge of the Dublin office for a short period.

[SUPERFAN]

How can anybody somehow not condemn buying the S*n with that image of the front page headline in their minds?

xxxxing quality Post Mate but that last Line sums it up for me...

[liamo3]

This post below was posted on another forum by a Manc yes a seaon Ticket holder at Old Trafford Manc fair play to him and I rarely have anything nice to about these rats but this is one I have respect for


"Whilst im no scouse sympathiser, the heysel disaster has been done and dusted on here and im sure some of the scouse posters on here know the disaster would have happened if they didnt charge.

Hillsborough is a different story. Cannot believe that the majority on here, time served lads in the 80's know what it was like being penned in like sardines into a small section of the ground.

Are we all Sun readers.

I was always of the opinion that thousands of s were smashed and forced the gates to be opened, leaving the OB no option. Oh yes, I read the sun.

Was it reported that there were severe delays on the roads coming over the snake and woodhead passes? no.

Hundreds of coaches were pulling in at 2-2.30 pm carrying thousands of fans. They were dropped off outside the Leppings.

Was it reported that 25,000 Liverpool fans had to get through 23 turnstiles? no.

Was it reported that 11,000 liverpool fans at the leppings were directed through THREE gates and SEVEN turnstiles? No.

So you have thousands getting off coaches trying to get into the ground in 45 minutes.

Now I remember the buzz of the semi final. Having a good drink and such, the gettin to the ground with 15 mins to go and getting in. yeah there was always a fair few without tickets but nothing major.

The police made too many mistakes that day. And they tried to cover their ineptness up. For that, I cannoty believe there are posters who are over 35 who will still like to believe the popular myth it was the fans who caused this.

I cannot comprehend being a parent and being told by the police that my son died at 3.16 only to be told by an eyewitness he was still alive at 4pm. Why did they lie? to cover the whole thing up.

I despise Liverpool football club and everything about it but by ****, its hard to believ people on here who will still believe the sun newspaper and the police.

96 fellow football fans died in the most despicable circumstances. IF the same happened to fans of your club, im sure you would never let it drop until the truth came out"

[buddy999]

Took about two hours to read all that but it was worth it"Sun never again"

[liamo3]

Hi Buddy great first post mate can I ask did you read it before today or were you aware of the boycott before today mate you can pm me the answer if you don't want to post it openly?

[carragherisgod]

A Manc said that? Fair f*@ks to him!!

[Gerry]

Took about two hours to read all that but it was worth it"Sun never again"

Good to hear that mate, its when you see this it makes you realize for one reason or another not everyone knows about the boycot and it is a testament to the the likes of liam from here who put the most work into this education thread and bif thanks to the people who allowed use to use thier stories and poems in here !

JFT96 !

[WexRed]

Education JC, education. There may be many a piece in books and DVDs about Hillsborough but I doubt most have the scope to go into the depth of the injustice of it and its fallout. No way does standard fare go close to "covering" the issue. Education is needed especially for lads who purely because of their age may have an idea about what happened but not why or what happened afterwards.

I just hope that those who refuse to take on the boycott when its explained properly are just stubbornly saving face and really a bit embarassed that they didn't know about it in the first place. So don't want to be seen as being an unknowledgable fan rather one that doesn't philsophically accept the ban anyway. Hopefully they'll see the light when they do actually become more knowledgable fans and realise The Truth.

Great post by galwayred, says it all.

[buddy999]

Hi Buddy great first post mate can I ask did you read it before today or were you aware of the boycott before today mate you can pm me the answer if you don't want to post it openly?

buddy told me about it ,but not really the facts,great to see it in black and white,not embarrassed to say i didnt know fully the facts,because of the post i know exactly why im not buying the sun,YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE

[wickla_mucker]

Recently bought 'Hillsborough - The Truth'... heavy going but so far a very good account.
Similarly i always thought the documentaries previously done were good - although very emotional.
Hope more of the fans take the opportunity to learn more about it when the opportunity is there.
Was only a young lad when it happened but remember well the sunny day i was sat in front of the box watching it unfold...

[stamullenredmen]

printed off some of the bits here for that lad in work and he took them home to read.the measured educate approach seems to work ill let you know how he reacts when i get back in there tomorrow

[carragherisgod]

Oh man. I couldn't believe it. I took my car to a friends garage for a pre NCT test Friday morning. I know this guy for years ans we often went to the bar to watch Liverpool play. He's a Liverpool "fan" too. He actually know everything, and I mean EVERYTHING about LFC. Anyways, dropped my car in, said my hellos and went home while he was working on the car. Three hours later he called my on my phone to tell me the car was ready. So I go to collect it. He was on his lunch break sitting at a table in his office ... READING THE S*N!!!!

I lost the plot with him!! I asked him why he was reading that and his excuse was "It was the only paper left in the shop"!! Bullsh*t I said. We had a very heated conversation about it for 10 minutes until I had enough. I payed him and walked out. I felt insulted and embarrassed because of him. I thought this guy knew better.

[stamullenredmen]

that lad i printed off the stuff for is still insisting on reading the sun.theres no helping some people.but i have a plan that involves getting my hands on some dont buy the sun stickers

[stamullenredmen]

just to highlight the sheer crassness and lack of respect that rag has for anyone.today most of the redtops i seen had the katy french story on the front.most had katy in a coma,20% chance of survival etc etc.now its hard enough for that girls family to see that in the circumstances.the sun leads with gardai know katys dealer.now that was lowas good as saying shes in hospital because she took something.

[Fowler's God]

In all fairness like why bring a story out like that when it is such a difficult time for the family. They are some shower, scum and low of the low. Time and time again they come out with stories with no facts. Boycott should spread further, if society just woke and smelled the crap coming from that paper, it's adios The S*n....

JTF96

[stamullenredmen]

exactly five for keeps they were at it again today which given further developments this evening makes it look even worse.its engaging the lowest common denominator and i really question the morals/iq of its readership

[GaryMc]

exactly five for keeps they were at it again today which given further developments this evening makes it look even worse.its engaging the lowest common denominator and i really question the morals/iq of its readership

RED TOP RAGS = Scum

[SUPERFAN]

just Listened to this.it's only about 5 Mins long but it's very good.
the Description of the Gymnasium is Heartbreaking.
never Heared the Pat Nevin Interview before,you forget that at that time both Semi Finals Kicked Off at the same Time...
click on Thursday and Fast Forward to 1 Hr 46
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/fivelivesport.shtml?focuswin

[DonHutchison2]

Reading all of the messages in here has actually been a help. I still can't talk about 15th April 89 without crying. Tears reading the messages, tears writing this. Images that never go away. Friends that never come back. I sing for Justice, but deep down I know we will never get it. The only thing is I know we did no wrong. Anyone who was there in 88 and 89 knows why it happened. Seeing the list of names brings back memories of them being read out on Radio City on my way home from work the Monday after and just stopping the car in the middle of the road. Memories of going into work on the Monday morning and seeing your mates who had been there aswell, and grinning at each other for some reason.
Memories of that rag being burnt on Breck Road on the Wednesday.
I still carry my ticket for that day in my pocket to this day. To the 96 and their families, and all the people affected by that day, you will never be forgotten and you will certainly never walk alone

[kdevitt]

Am glad to see this posted on an Irish forum - am always embarrassed flying over to games and seeing lads in Liverpool jerseys walking around with that rag in their hand.

[liamo3]

We will Never buy this rag ever WE ARE LIVERPOOL FC!!!

[Monty]

This is why i love fourms.... My heart starts thumping when i read these stories..

ynwa.

[sean]

This is why i love fourms.... My heart starts thumping when i read these stories..

ynwa.

From a medical point of view I would have hoped your heart was always thumping :p

Know what ya mean though, some inspiring stuff within this thread.

[Monty]

From a medical point of view I would have hoped your heart was always thumping :p

Know what ya mean though, some inspiring stuff within this thread.

My missus would disagree that i have a heart...lol

[SUPERFAN]

must be a quiet Day on blueandwhiteshite.com,all it's Members are on here today....:D

[liamo3]

Thread is now open again

[marathonman]

The amount of fans reading it today and yesterday was unbelievable.I tackled 1 lad in the airport this morning.His reply was that he had his sticker on last night that he got in HJC shop but he liked the headline on the back page this morning.Where do we get them.I'm alright Jack syndrome.
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

[SUPERFAN]

The amount of fans reading it today and yesterday was unbelievable.I tackled 1 lad in the airport this morning.His reply was that he had his sticker on last night that he got in HJC shop but he liked the headline on the back page this morning.Where do we get them.I'm alright Jack syndrome.
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
fair play to you for Saying something MM.
there was a Bloke Reading the Rag in Blackpool Airport yesterday,had a Lpool Scarf Wrapped around his Neck.i was xxxxxx fuming!
he was older than me and should know better.
winds me up no end....

[Paul]

The amount of fans reading it today and yesterday was unbelievable.I tackled 1 lad in the airport this morning.His reply was that he had his sticker on last night that he got in HJC shop but he liked the headline on the back page this morning.Where do we get them.I'm alright Jack syndrome.
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

I know where i'd love to shove that sticker!
We have some dopes from ireland following Liverpool now in all fairness.
Since the cup successes of this decade it's become a small bit embarresing being an Irish red travelling over.
The laugh we used have in the 90s is not the same anymore.
Whatever way you look at it we are frowned upon now.
If we can see lads like this you can be sure our the locals will as well. This is why we're now all being tarred with the one brush.I'm sure other people have seen the change in attitude towards the irish reds in the last 15/20 years.

[johnny j]

gr8 post 4 those of us who where unaware of the situation ! dont buy the sun !

[KOP Season Ticket Holder]

Why is this still going on? You are insulting scousers by buying this rag! :mad:

[Molby Is a Legend]

I would like to thank Peter Etherington for letting me post these
poems on his behalf.

The Sun's dead sound, it's got birds with big knockers."
Take them in work and decorate your lockers.
The sport in it's boss, especially the racin'.
And the 'oroscopes tell us the day we're all facin'".

"Don't you remember, you ignorant swine?
All the lies they told in eighty-nine.
Let me remind you just what they said.
We pissed on the bizzies and robbed our own dead."

"But the telly page's sound, they've got bingo and lotto.
And on one of the pages there's a nice little motto.
Anyway Evo I just didn't know.
It doesn't matter now it was so long ago."

"It does ****in' matter! It matters a lot.
People had children they've no longer got.
People had fathers they'll no longer see.
They said that I killed them, they said it was me!"

"Shut up will you Evo. You're always bangin' on.
Hillsborough and justice, all that carry on.
Anyway Evo get out of me face.
It's only a newspaper in any case."

"It's not a newspaper. A newspaper has news.
Not made up stories with which to abuse.
What they said was "The Truth" were all scurrilous lies.
We got no apology. What a surprise!"

"All right then Evo what should I buy?"
Tell me one, give me the reason why.
Which one do you think stands out from the rest?
The Mirror, The Echo, which one's the best?"

"Don't buy the Sun. It's fit only to burn.
Don't buy the Sun. There's nothing you'll learn.
I'll say it once more and then I'll be done.
Buy what you want but DON'T BUY THE SUN."
--------------------
I BELIEVE IT. DON'T YOU?

We all turned up late, without tickets and bladdered,
even a ten-year-old boy, well that's what I gathered.

We forced open a gate and started to push
Towards the front of the pen, caused the terrible crush.

Two girls at the front, screamin' and cryin'.
"Open the fence! There's people here dyin'!"

"Get back in there, you bloody Scouse yobs!"
South Yorkshire Police just doing their jobs.

Then they all realised something was wrong.
Scousers stopped singin' their favourite song.

That poor Scouser Tommy who took the King's shilling.
That poor Scouser Tommy who was ready and willing.

That poor Scouser Tommy who fought in the war.
Gave his life for his country. I wonder what for?

Brave bobbies put up with so much that day.
Even got peed on, that's what they say.

It was us! It was our fault! We killed our mates!
A manslaughter charge surely awaits.

But hey, don't worry! We won't go to jail!
We'll do a deal with the Judge; British justice won't fail.

How do I know all this is true?
It said in the Sun. I believe it - don't you?

Peter Etherington.

NINETY-SIX DEAD: NO-ONE TO BLAME

"THEY ROBBED THEIR OWN DEAD. WHAT A TERRIBLE SIGHT."
"THE TRUTH," SAID THE SUN, SO IT MUST BE RIGHT.
"DRUNKEN SCOUSE YOBS FORCED OPEN A GATE!"
SCREAMED THE BILE FROM THE SCUMRAG WE ALL HATE.
"YOBS PEED ON BOBBIES TRYING TO SAVE THEIR MATES LIVES."
HOW MUCH MORE WILL THEY TWIST THEIR KNIVES?
NO SCOUSER ON EARTH SHOULD EVER BE SEEN
WITH THAT PIECE OF DIRT, THAT RAG SO OBSCENE.
NINETY-SIX LIVES, NINETY-SIX GONE.
YET THE PEOPLE TO BLAME STILL CARRY ON.
EVERTON, LEEDS, SPURS AND UNITED
EVERY CLUB'S FANS WANT TO SEE THE WRONGS RIGHTED.
"IT COULD HAVE BEEN US," EVERYONE SAID
"WHOSE FANS WERE LEFT CRUSHED, INJURED AND DEAD."
WE ONLY WANT JUSTICE, WE DON'T WANT REVENGE.
WE ONLY SEEK ANSWERS, NOT TO AVENGE.
ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG (IT'S NOT TOO LATE)
IN GIVING THE ORDER TO OPEN THE GATE.
NINETY-SIX DEAD, "NO-ONE TO BLAME"
SAID A JUDGE UP IN LEEDS: BRITISH JUSTICE IN SHAME.
"THE TRUTH" WAS ALL LIES AND DISGRACED OUR GOOD NAME.
NINETY-SIX DEAD. NO-ONE TO BLAME.
NO POLICEMEN CONVICTED, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERED.
NINETY-SIX FAMILIES LEFT BROKEN AND SHATTERED.
NINETY-SIX LIVES LOST WATCHING A GAME.
NINETY-SIX DEAD. NO-ONE TO BLAME.

Evo (Peter Ethrington)
--------------
WE'LL NEVER HEAR THOSE WORDS

Thirteen years later. Thirteen years on.
We've all cried for justice but we've had none.
We've had platitudes, condolences and "Never mind dear"
But we've never heard the words we so long to hear.

"We were wrong. It was our fault. We shouldn't have opened the gate."
We'll never hear those words no matter how long we wait.
"We didn't have enough ambulances, stewards or men."
We're not hearing it now and we didn't hear it then.

"Okay, we were wrong. You should have had the big end."
They'll never take the blame for our 96 friends.
"We didn't want a mix of Forest and Scouse."
They're all throwing stones from their big glass house.

"People WERE alive at six minutes past three."
They'll never admit it but they'll always be free.
"Well I can retire now. I've got a nice fat pension."
Said the horrible pig whose name I can't mention.

"We should have delayed the kick off, even if it was for an hour."
We'll never hear those words from their Ivory Tower.
"We know it wasn't your fault. We shouldn't have called you drunks."
We'll never hear those words from the reprehensible skunks.

What they're really saying is, "Yes, it was your fault, you trouble-causing Scousers.
Drunken and thieving you moaning mickey mousers."
They don't give a toss about us and our kind.
I wish they could have the demons in my mind.

Brilliant. If that doesnt educate people nothing will. Not ashamed to say it brought a tear to my eye while i was reading these poems.

[SUPERFAN]

just been Looking at this Site,HILLSBOROUGH FOR DUMMIES..
http://www.hfdinfo.com/

[reddave]

just been Looking at this Site,HILLSBOROUGH FOR DUMMIES..
http://www.hfdinfo.com/


good informative site.

JUSTICE FOR THE 96...

[Gerry]

Was in westport at the weekend and met a few lads in a boozer wearing liverpool t-shirts reading that filthy rag, got talking to them and was asking why they read it and one of them was un-aware of what was written and the boycott and one said he just baught it out of habbit

BY the end of it they both were saying they would never consider buying it again as did a manc who was sitting with them,

They said they are both going to join the site so if your reading this lads, welcom to the site and have a good read of this thread !

Also heard on 98fm this morning an ad for the rag saying ot is ireland number one selling daily tabloid :eek:

This is not good enough we all need to make sure we are getting the word out there to people when we see them with that rag, not saying you have to attack anyone or get into a row but we need to remind everyone about the lies they printed !

[Dub13]

Good work.

[AthloneScouser]

Jft 96!

[reddave]

don't believe that any Liverpool fan would not know or have the interest to read up about Hillsborough. Even the younger fans have to have heard of the disaster..and surely as a fan you would be interested and do a bit of research on it.
Google hillsborough and wikipedia is on the first page. this site even mentions in detail the coverage by the sun and the fact that shops and fans were boycotting the paper. I'm sure any site or people you ask about hillsborough that know even the slightest about it would tell you about the sun's involvement..

think its a disgrace that as a fan you cant boycott a paper (theres plenty of other options to read) when there is such a good reason and also that as a fan people say the didn't know..! don't understand..!

[jaza]

YNWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yckdP8mOftg&feature=related

[RastaRed]

One of the lads off RAWK send me a copy of Jimmy McGoverns Hillsborough on DVD, I remember watching on the TV when it first came out when I was a youngfella but after watching it the other night, it blew me away, powerful stuff. If anyone wants a copy, let me know

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

those poems are brilliant.its true that a lot of younger fans dont know about the boycott.i had to convince a few of my friends to stop buying it a couple of years ago.we were about 16 and they didnt know.theres a brilliant 13 page account of that day on the echo's website told from a survivors point of view:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/04/14/hillsborough-a-survivor-s-story-100252-20763104/

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

makes me sick to the core to see anyone with that rag on the bus or whatever,regardless of whether they are reds fans or not........glad to see more and more of the jft96-'NEVER BUY THE SUN NEWSPAPER' stickers appearing on the lampposts around cork city recently.

[Tilly]

wen im getting paper in the morning i always cover up the crap rag wit a hand full of other papers so no one can c it or buy it......:):):)

[RastaRed]

good idea, gonna start doin that myself

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

wen im getting paper in the morning i always cover up the crap rag wit a hand full of other papers so no one can c it or buy it......:):):)

haha thats what i always do aswell or when im in easons buying LFC Magazine I always strategically place copies over the utd and blueshite mags..........also hid Beckhams autobiography under about 10 copies of Tommy Smiths!

[AthloneScouser]

Ha like it.:D

[jaza]

just watched a documentery called alexei sayles liverpool about a man from and the history of liverpool. it showed to this day liverpool and everton declining to take a free copy of the sun and anyone that did either tore it up or burned it outside the shop . it was very good to see it put a smile on my face anyway

[Gerry]

Seen a member of the site quoting the filthy fcuking rag today, not impressed !

[Dub13]

Seen a member of the site quoting the filthy fcuking rag today, not impressed !


He will not be around for a few days.

[Martin88]

Seen a member of the site quoting the filthy fcuking rag today, not impressed !

Posters on Liverpool threads of other forums quote the Sun and tabloids on a fairly regular basis. Seems a bit strange to be honest.

[dubit10]

It's ****** disgusting thats what it is. As a poster on other forums i hate to see supposed "fans" mention that rag but to see it on here is an absolute disgrace.

[Paul]

Posters on Liverpool threads of other forums quote the Sun and tabloids on a fairly regular basis. Seems a bit strange to be honest.

The *** and tabloids are 2 totally different things though!

[jaza]

yeah one over exagerrates stories and one completely lies and makes up stories

[liamo3]

Posters on Liverpool threads of other forums quote the Sun and tabloids on a fairly regular basis. Seems a bit strange to be honest.

Which Liverpool forums quote Sun links without other members kicking up?

[Martin88]

It's ****** disgusting thats what it is. As a poster on other forums i hate to see supposed "fans" mention that rag but to see it on here is an absolute disgrace.

I put it down to people 'following' a club with only a passing interest. They'll wear the shirts and watch the odd CL game in the pub but will rarely know much about the history and heritage of the club. I don't know would I describe it as a 'disgrace'. It's 'wishy-washy' support and a lack of knowledge or understanding maybe. You'll see it often enough on other threads but rarely on ones like this, where there's a higher concentration of life-long fans. If a few lads on here starting referencing the Sun I'd start to get worried though.

[liamo3]

Any Liverpool fan who reads it knowing the lies it told regarding Liverpool fans at Hillsborough are a disgrace! And imo are not Liverpool fans at all and that goes for the Irish sun and its websites

[Rover 609]

Which Liverpool forums quote Sun links without other members kicking up?

id love to know the answer to that one meself! liamo3.

[Dub13]

I would say Martin88 was referring to general football forums were some Liverpool fans may post as I cant see any Liverpool forum standing for this.

[Martin88]

I would say Martin88 was referring to general football forums were some Liverpool fans may post as I cant see any Liverpool forum standing for this.

It's a popular website with a general football sub-forum. I'm not prepared to name it, for the simple reason that it's otherwise of very good quality. I certainly won't tarnish other true Liverpool supporters with the same brush. The Liverpool section can be accessed and contributed to by fans of all teams. For that reason, it looks strange seeing 'the Sun' appearing in the Liverpool thread. But because of the wider readership any likely reaction will be diluted down. In other words, very passionate Liverpool fans would be in the minority and their reaction wouldn't carry much weight amongst the mainstream. I dislike 'Sun' posts but they certainly wouldn't be tolerated in a full Liverpool forum where posters would know about the club heritage, and rightly so.

[marathonman]

Large number of new members on board. Just want to bring this to the fore again.
For anybody who hasn't read this thread. It is well worth your while.
Cheers.

[denashpot]

Fantastic Post Mate

[Molby Is a Legend]

Large number of new members on board. Just want to bring this to the fore again.
For anybody who hasn't read this thread. It is well worth your while.
Cheers.


Fantastic Idea Marathonman, I was just wondering as the website grows and gets new members im sure by the day. Also im sure some of these new members are either of the younger generation or just uneducated on the whole reasons behind the S*n Boycott and how they printed such lies. Would it be possible to link each new registration directly to this thread? It would be great if it could be done?

[RastaRed]

Fantastic Idea Marathonman, I was just wondering as the website grows and gets new members im sure by the day. Also im sure some of these new members are either of the younger generation or just uneducated on the whole reasons behind the S*n Boycott and how they printed such lies. Would it be possible to link each new registration directly to this thread? It would be great if it could be done?

+1

Great idea, let them learn about it before they want to regard themselves as a Irish Red, theres still a lot of ignorant fools out there

[hairflick]

new here 2day, excellant posts here folks, have tears in me eyes after watching link posted by 'jaza' 'fcuk that rag mag' hate the site of it

[D-Red]

Great post.

All young Kopites should read this thread.

[jaza]

new here 2day, excellant posts here folks, have tears in me eyes after watching link posted by 'jaza' 'fcuk that rag mag' hate the site of it

its a tough clip to watch alright

[NewbridgeRed]

Hi all, I'm new to this site, I've been looking around for a good website for Irish Reds for ages.

I just chose to post here because the lack of knowledge of alot of Liverpool fans about the Sun is amazing. I can only speak for people in my area, but not alt of them were aware of the boycott. Any ide of how I could raise awareness?

[marathonman]

Hi all, I'm new to this site, I've been looking around for a good website for Irish Reds for ages.

I just chose to post here because the lack of knowledge of alot of Liverpool fans about the Sun is amazing. I can only speak for people in my area, but not alt of them were aware of the boycott. Any ide of how I could raise awareness?

Welcome aboard mate.Nice first post.
Let them know the strength of feeling that we all have towards it and tell them the facts.
If that doesn't work you can do whatever you like to them.

[Gerry]

Hi all, I'm new to this site, I've been looking around for a good website for Irish Reds for ages.

I just chose to post here because the lack of knowledge of alot of Liverpool fans about the Sun is amazing. I can only speak for people in my area, but not alt of them were aware of the boycott. Any ide of how I could raise awareness?
welcome to the site
some ways to raise awareness

Talk to people about it
print off some of the stuff from this thread
get some stickers from the hjc and plaster them all over the place
wear some of the great stuff they sell in the hjc so as people can see it !
get people to look on here
http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/

[wickla_mucker]

Hi all, I'm new to this site, I've been looking around for a good website for Irish Reds for ages.

I just chose to post here because the lack of knowledge of alot of Liverpool fans about the Sun is amazing. I can only speak for people in my area, but not alt of them were aware of the boycott. Any ide of how I could raise awareness?

alrite mate

i got married last jan and for the favours for the men i had bought the eternal flame pins from the HJC shop at Anfield... went down well
on each of the tables i also had a brief explanation about what it was about including a bit on McKenzie...
a nice little way to educate the masses!

[D-Red]

alrite mate

i got married last jan and for the favours for the men i had bought the eternal flame pins from the HJC shop at Anfield... went down well
on each of the tables i also had a brief explanation about what it was about including a bit on McKenzie...
a nice little way to educate the masses!

Fair play mate!

[kingofkop]

This Is One The Best Threads Of Read On This Site Being A Liverpool Fan I Knew Of The S*n Protest But I Was Only 4 When It Happened But This Thread Has Educated And Inspired Me So Id Like To Say Thanks Alot Y.n.w.a Cheers

[trucker]

Hi all, I'm new to this site, I've been looking around for a good website for Irish Reds for ages.

I just chose to post here because the lack of knowledge of alot of Liverpool fans about the Sun is amazing. I can only speak for people in my area, but not alt of them were aware of the boycott. Any ide of how I could raise awareness?

Know how you feel mate seen a bloke (about 27) reading the S** with our jersey on him when i said it to him that it was more or less banned in Liverpool he looked at me with a big stupid head saying "Why", you could'nt make it up half the time!

[MrsStevieG]

alrite mate

i got married last jan and for the favours for the men i had bought the eternal flame pins from the HJC shop at Anfield... went down well
on each of the tables i also had a brief explanation about what it was about including a bit on McKenzie...
a nice little way to educate the masses!


You obviously had no mancs or bitters at your wedding, otherwise I could see them being used as missiles!.
Ah no seriously, that's actually a really good idea. Fair play...

[marathonman]

Know how you feel mate seen a bloke (about 27) reading the S** with our jersey on him when i said it to him that it was more or less banned in Liverpool he looked at me with a big stupid head saying "Why", you could'nt make it up half the time!

Bit of contradiction there mate.Impossible to educate a s** reader.That was tried at school and when they couldn't read anything else they gave them the rag.
An educated answer from the reader with a three letter word.Dumb Fcukers.

[NewbridgeRed]

Thanks very much for all your advice. I know the majority of Irish reds are just as much in the know about the Sun as thefans on Mersyside, but there is a minority of Irish fans going around wearing jerseys reading the Sun, and these are the fans giving the rest of us a bad name.

I tried many times to educate people when I see them reading it, but sometimes, as unbelivable as it sounds, they brush it aside. UNBELIVABLE!

[stamullenredmen]

seen a "liverpool fan" reading it in work today was gonna say something only he got up and left his pool jacket on the back of the chair.a manc fan picked it up and put it in the bin with the crest sticking out so he could see it.actually tought it was deserved under the circumstances

[LOU2]

over the past few weeks in work ive had to educate a few so called reds fans they were continously reading the rag, took me a while to get through to them after printing off different info and stuff for them made them watch the dvd etc. finally got through to them and 2were over at the boro game and said they'd gone into the hjc shop and even bought a few things. drove me mad then to see one of them pick up the rag today until the other girl told her to cope on.

some people never learn or they are just thick sh**s

[paddypower111]

dirty lieing dicracefull newspaper ill say no more .

[The Faith Healer]

The Boycott is not just on Merseyside

Boycott The S*N & The Irish S*N they are the same no Red should ever buy this rag.

If you are presently un-aware of the boycott, after reading this thread you won't be!!!


HJC Don't buy the Sxn stickers and leaflets can be obtained from:

The Hillsborough Justice Campaign
178 Walton Breck Road
Anfield
Liverpool
L4 0RG

Tel / fax : 0151 260 5262

email: hjcshop@tiscali.co.uk

Photocopy the leaflets and pass them around your mate going mates, if anyone could put a PDF file of the leaflet, it would also help.

[titti]

i will never buy that s h i t again ,

[Murph]

Here is a pic of the new Don't Buy The Sun waver flag that made its debut on the march from the Liverpool Supporters Club, fantastic flag this.


http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2285/sunbannerra9.jpg


Looks well better when carried and getting waved like.

[SUPERFAN]

Here is a pic of the new Don't Buy The Sun waver flag that made its debut on the march from the Liverpool Supporters Club, fantastic flag this.


http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2285/sunbannerra9.jpg


Looks well better when carried and getting waved like.

wasn't there something similar to that down the Anny Road end in front of the PSV Fans on Wednesday Murph?

[Murph]

Yes, thats the same one I think.

[Judas Souness]

Judas Souness writes for the Sun, when he isnt on RTE talking shite about us.

[bobby benitez]

I am new to this forum. Just spent a couple of hours reading about "the s*n".
I honestly taught I was fairly up to speed with the hatred of the rag. Just learned so much more, never considered the guilt those at the back wrongly felt. I was 9 at the time watching it live on RTE, so I can honestly say I have never put a penny into their filthy pockets and never will.

I was never arsed before about asking anyone why they read that rag, couldnt be bothered with the hassle of explaining the reasons. I will taking the time in future to spread the word.

Watched the youtube clip of Milan's Minute Silence. Never knew about that before. Respect to Milan 2nd best club in Europe. You'll Never Walk Alone.

[Dub13]

Great first post mate thats what we like to see new members educating themselves.

Welcome on board.

[liamo3]

Judas Souness writes for the Sun, when he isnt on RTE talking shite about us.

After what he did when he gave the interview back in the nineties I doubt it very much mate think your wrong on that one.

[kopfan77]

Id be embarrassed to even mention that i wipe my ar$e with that rag!!

[richie_lfc]

Hear hear , Kelvin McKenzie , scum of the Earth !

[Judas Souness]

After what he did when he gave the interview back in the nineties I doubt it very much mate think your wrong on that one.




http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/oct/08/liverpool.rangers




If you're going to have a blot on your managerial CV, you may as well make it a big disfiguring one. So how about the wanton and systematic destruction of the most successful club set-up English football has ever known?

In the 18 seasons before Graeme Souness became manager of Liverpool Football Club, the red men had only finished outside the top two places in the First Division once. In a year which saw them lift the European Cup. Compare and contrast with the help of my lovely italics: exactly 18 months after Souness took charge, Liverpool, having finished a lowly sixth in their new manager's first full season, found themselves languishing in 16th place in the league.

By that time, Souness had sold his best player, Peter Beardsley, to rivals Everton. He had replaced £900,000 Ray Houghton with £2.3m Paul Stewart. And most idiotically of all, he had doltishly offended all of Merseyside by selling the story of his heart bypass operation to a certain tatty smear rag on the third anniversary of Hillsborough.


So, if he isn't a Judas, he is at the very least THICK

[liamo3]

I'm talking about the present day you said while he's not working for RTE he writes for the Sun Scum I don't think he does but then again I don't read it but it would be all over the place and he would be destroyed

[Judas Souness]

I'm talking about the present day you said while he's not working for RTE he writes for the Sun Scum I don't think he does but then again I don't read it but it would be all over the place and he would be destroyed

Well you have a point, the question is when do you decide when a guy "writes" for a newspaper or has "written" for a paper. I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Alex Raisbeck]

Well you have a point, the question is when do you decide when a guy "writes" for a newspaper or has "written" for a paper. I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Sorry if I am being pedantic, but, I dont think he "wrote" for them (as in a columnist), from my recollection he gave them an exclusive interview (a once off). But he was 100% in the wrong.
As he has said since, it was down to his own ignorance, and should have resigned there and then when he realised the impact of his actions.

On another note, I went into my local shop today and picked up the Herlad to do my usual trick of placing over the bundle of sh!te that is the stack of s*n newspapers so the ignoramus's who purchase it cannot find it.
But when i looked, they were nowhere to be found, until I realsied with an immense source of pride that someone had already done my trick.
Well in fellow Redman, whoever you were.

[beardo81]

Im new to this also, wasnt aware of the digusting lies, im guilty of buying that gutter trash rag in the past but Ive learned to never again.
And ill urge every1 i know to boycott 4 ever!!

[liamo3]

Im new to this also, wasnt aware of the digusting lies, im guilty of buying that gutter trash rag in the past but Ive learned to never again.
And ill urge every1 i know to boycott 4 ever!!

And you my friend are the reason I started this thread.

[Judas Souness]

Sorry if I am being pedantic, but, I dont think he "wrote" for them (as in a columnist), from my recollection he gave them an exclusive interview (a once off). But he was 100% in the wrong.
As he has said since, it was down to his own ignorance, and should have resigned there and then when he realised the impact of his actions.

On another note, I went into my local shop today and picked up the Herlad to do my usual trick of placing over the bundle of sh!te that is the stack of s*n newspapers so the ignoramus's who purchase it cannot find it.
But when i looked, they were nowhere to be found, until I realsied with an immense source of pride that someone had already done my trick.
Well in fellow Redman, whoever you were.


Ahhahaha...thats hilarious!!!! I must do that the next time I am in the local newsagent. I never thought of that...imagine all the lads in from their stint at work looking for the Sun!!!:D:D:D

My local in Greystones usually has his Sc*n in a proper upright stand so it might work even easier!

[oobydooby]

On another note, I went into my local shop today and picked up the Herlad to do my usual trick of placing over the bundle of sh!te that is the stack of s*n newspapers so the ignoramus's who purchase it cannot find it.
But when i looked, they were nowhere to be found, until I realsied with an immense source of pride that someone had already done my trick.
Well in fellow Redman, whoever you were.

Haha classic. Well I'll be doing that from now on anyways. Save you or somebody else the bother. Will cover it with a regional paper or Alive or something that probably won't sell to quickly.

[builderscraic]

Well you have a point, the question is when do you decide when a guy "writes" for a newspaper or has "written" for a paper. I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

We're on thin ice here lads,bottom line is if he does write for it then he's only a dirtbird but there's only one way to find out for sure and none of us want that so lets drop it.

[SUPERFAN]

for as long as i can remember there's been a Family run Shop where i Live.the Father Died about 15 Years ago and his Son took over the Shop.he's a big Lpool Fan and from that Day to this he has never stocked the XXX,not sure about the Sunday version.
i've always had a lot of Respect for him for that.....

[MrsStevieG]

for as long as i can remember there's been a Family run Shop where i Live.the Father Died about 15 Years ago and his Son took over the Shop.he's a big Lpool Fan and from that Day to this he has never stocked the XXX,not sure about the Sunday version.
i've always had a lot of Respect for him for that.....

Fair play to him, pity there aren't more like him.

I love Istvankozma's trick! I'm definitely going to be doing that from now on;)

[pdesmond1404]

New to this forum also but great to see people are still so aware of the sh*te that rag wrote. The greatest slur ever by a newspaper. I heard only this year that McKensie was still refusing to apologise on the issue. The guy is the lowest of the low. Proud to say I've never bought the rag. Great to see people are still so active in the boycott. Justice to the 96!

[Andrew]

I love Istvankozma's trick! I'm definitely going to be doing that from now on;)

I've done that a few times now over the past few weeks in my local shop.

[sultana]

New to this forum also but great to see people are still so aware of the sh*te that rag wrote. The greatest slur ever by a newspaper. I heard only this year that McKensie was still refusing to apologise on the issue. The guy is the lowest of the low. Proud to say I've never bought the rag. Great to see people are still so active in the boycott. Justice to the 96!

Couldn't agree more just wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed to the thread I knew very little about it before and to be honest the only reason I never bought it in the past is because it is a shocking newspaper even among the tabloids. Now I have an even bigger more personal reason to be disgusted by such a grotesque publication.

[kingkenny07]

Cant believe anyone who calls themself a red would buy or read this rag, no excuse for people not knowing about the boycot, make sure you have a word with people you see reading it in airports or on ferries goign to game's , no good saying nothing and then putting it on forums afterewards !

JFT96 ! NEVER FORGIVE NEVER FORGET

[Kopace80]

great thread.. its good to be knowledgeable in what hurt the sun newspaper has brought the people of liverpool
i have this saved on my computer which makes for interesting viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca52fsOZjAU

[Yoko]

My other half said a guy in work had this rag yesterday and mentioned the name of the Page 3 girl. Poppy! How tacky can you ever be>

[kopfan77]

Was in prague this week with work....was in the toilets in the airport and popped in to one of the cubucles....and to my sheer delight the 3 walls and the door were plastered in stickers dedicated to the cause of justice for hillsborough and urging the boycott of the rag. Great to see the campaign is not limited to just ireland and uk.

[jaza]

Was in prague this week with work....was in the toilets in the airport and popped in to one of the cubucles....and to my sheer delight the 3 walls and the door were plastered in stickers dedicated to the cause of justice for hillsborough and urging the boycott of the rag. Great to see the campaign is not limited to just ireland and uk.

prague . Strange place to see it but good stuff

[IrishRed1892]

Was in prague this week with work....was in the toilets in the airport and popped in to one of the cubucles....and to my sheer delight the 3 walls and the door were plastered in stickers dedicated to the cause of justice for hillsborough and urging the boycott of the rag. Great to see the campaign is not limited to just ireland and uk.

i thought you were gonna say "to my sheer delight there was a copy of the rag in there to wipe my arse with!"

:D:D

[Gerry]

Seen this on another site, fair play to the lad, pity a few of our "fans" did not have the decencey he has !

Statement from Vegard Heggem

"It's been brought to my attention that the S*n has printed a story with quotes from me. I want to state that I am aware of the history between the S*n Newspaper and Liverpool FC, and I would never give an interview to this newspaper. I gave an interview to a journalist from the Swedish newspaper "Dagens nyheter" on Wednesday where I commented on Steven Gerrard, and the quotes are taken from this interview. I am very sad that this has happened, and I hope that Liverpoolfc.tv: Official Web Site
will assist me in getting a message out to the fans of Liverpool FC that an interview with the S*n never took place.

Thanks.

Vegard Heggem"

[fitzpatrickgary]

fair play to vegard heggem great to see that he wouldnt let himself be mis-quoted to have any association with the rag

[Rover 609]

Fair play to him,would love them cnuts there to know he said that.Im sure it il get back tho.

[D-Red]

ah fair play to the lad for coming out and saying that, goes to show how aware he is of our situation, total respect to the lad.

welll done Vegard!

[Ray2007]

Kopace80

Thanks for the youtube clip - had not seen it before - lump in my throat

Anger, anger ........ what a rag the S*n

Justice will be done - what goes around comes around - sometimes it takes a while, but the man above gets even!!

Slá,

R

[James]

I was going to start a thread about Heggem but I'll leave it up to the mods. Either way the guy is a gent and a proper red. Im nearly sure hes involved with AFC Liverpool. Was a cracking player too until the Anfield injury jinx struck :mad:

[D-Red]

As keanefornando said, this probably is worthy of its own thread really, but the fact that it draws more attention to this thread is good, so please keep it here.
Also to quote the above poster "the guy is a gent and a proper red", Well said mate.

How much I wish all our players, past and present, showed such empathy and understanding with our most important cause.




also In my opinion this is by far the best, most important and most impressive thread on this whole site, so well done to everyone who has actively contributed. All nonsense aside, this is our heart-beat.

[duffer]

may be some day with the help of god the sc*m that call themselves reporters will be brought to justice for the lies and false truths that for so many years they have hid behind,they should be made accountable for the hurt they have caused the families of the 96...Least we forget never buy or read this rag..Justice for the 96...YNWA

[Gerry]

d red and james I put the post in here as it is relevant to the s*n, and also to keep this most impotant thread active and to bring newbies attention to it !

[D-Red]

That makes perfect sense JC23. Always good to see this thread getting as much attention as possible.

[dking]

Fair play to him,would love them cnuts there to know he said that.Im sure it il get back tho.


what you need is another paper to pick it up and run it nationwide but unless it was Stevie ,Carra ,Nando or a Rafa saying it they probably wouldn't .

Well in Vegard .
It gives me hope in the era of sly sports that honerable people still excist in football.

[jamsieboy86]

I was going to start a thread about Heggem but I'll leave it up to the mods. Either way the guy is a gent and a proper red. Im nearly sure hes involved with AFC Liverpool. Was a cracking player too until the Anfield injury jinx struck :mad:

Yeah he is a club patron for AFC Liverpool.

[m.vat red]

Cant believe anyone who calls themself a red would buy or read this rag, no excuse for people not knowing about the boycot, make sure you have a word with people you see reading it in airports or on ferries goign to game's , no good saying nothing and then putting it on forums afterewards !

JFT96 ! NEVER FORGIVE NEVER FORGET
to right pal,after finishing the tour of anfield on a sat before a sunday game i seen a guy sitting on shankly,s statue reading that rag,:mad:i informed the lad about this paper in what it had put l.f.c.fans through,i also explained the dangerous situation he had put himself in by reading that rag there,he saw sence in quickly binned it....

[James]

d red and james I put the post in here as it is relevant to the s*n, and also to keep this most impotant thread active and to bring newbies attention to it !

No problem, I just wanted to start a Vegard appreciation thread!!

[bobby benitez]

Fair play to the bloke. I think the man is just a ordinary decent fella. I think he is a fisherman now.

[Rover 609]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162339081201-1615.htm


Link from official site relating to Vegard Heggems rebuttal that he did NOT give that rag an interview.

[F@ces]

Fair play to the bloke. I think the man is just a ordinary decent fella. I think he is a fisherman now.

Only reading this stuff on Heggem now. What a feckin legend.

Hope u have many a big catch out on the high seas my friend :D

[Paul]

Fair play to the bloke. I think the man is just a ordinary decent fella. I think he is a fisherman now.

He's a bit more than a humble fisher man.
He's the owner and manager of a salmon fishing business so he needn't worry about getting lost at sea ;)
He is also an Official Patron of AFC Liverpool, still a regular at anfield and was in Istanbul.
Some of our local hero's could learn a thing or two from this OOT ;)

[Paddser]

He's a bit more than a humble fisher man.
He's the owner and manager of a salmon fishing business so he needn't worry about getting lost at sea ;)
He is also an Official Patron of AFC Liverpool, still a regular at anfield and was in Istanbul.
Some of our local hero's could learn a thing or two from this OOT ;)

I seem to remember seeing pictures of him in Istanbul wearing a Liverpool tracksuit he'd kept from his playing days!? :D

[mrpotatohead]

He's a bit more than a humble fisher man.
He's the owner and manager of a salmon fishing business so he needn't worry about getting lost at sea ;)
He is also an Official Patron of AFC Liverpool, still a regular at anfield and was in Istanbul.
Some of our local hero's could learn a thing or two from this OOT ;)

Fair play to Heggem, he obviously really has and interest in the club and its fans, and he done well to have this statement out to clarify his position before any mud was slung.

[F@ces]

Lads, found a contact email for Vegard through his salmon fishing business, and decided to drop him a mail to thank him.

He replied with a simple thanks, and that he appreciated my comments :D

Diamond bloke.

[Rover 609]

Lads, found a contact email for Vegard through his salmon fishing business, and decided to drop him a mail to thank him.

He replied with a simple thanks, and that he appreciated my comments :D

Diamond bloke.

Post the address up and a few of us can thank him.

[F@ces]

Post the address up and a few of us can thank him.

I dunno if I should do that? :confused::):confused: All I'll say is the name of his Salmon farm is Aunan Lodge. Google is your friend :)

[reddave]

just mailed him aswell..

have 2 friends that are Liverpool fans but always buy the sun. have just spent 2 hours arguing with them about this..how do you get people to kop on.