I havent a clue, all i seem to know is that the country is messed up. But i dont know about this Treaty to decide. And nobody seems to be telling us young lads. I know we should probably research it a bit , but then again the Gov shouldnt be just saying we need a yes.
This seems to be the case for me too. The Gov are banking on getting the treaty passed purely on the basis that the economic situation is so bad here now that we are better off to "be in Europe" and are frightening people into voting yes rather than informing them why they should. The economy is the big difference between now and the first referendum in June 2008. (In fact today is the anniviersary of the collapse of Lehman Brothers). The main reason people abstained in the first referendum was a lack of understanding/knowledge of the treaty (46%). To me the information been given by the Gov is as bad now as it was prior to the first referendum in June 2008 and they could get a kicking at the polls on October 2. I have tried (and failed!) to read and fully understand the treaty but from what I can figure out am leaning towards a yes vote.
Basically im voting NO. And thats because its a joke,. we voted NO once, so why should we vote again, the whole point of a democracy is we get a vote to have OUR say, and when we choose what the government dont want they come back again,. If its a NO vote this time, will we have to vote on Lisbon a 3rd time? Probably, but it'll probably be called something else. Anyway thats just my opinion and thats where my vote is going,.
lads unfortunitly we need europe and we need this treaty to go through also it going through we lose a little bit more of our independance but we are in the same boat there as every other european state i just think the negatives to it are completly outweighed by the positives.
Can you tell me what these so called positives are? Because I am yet to hear about them,. And also saying NO doesn't mean we are not in Europe. We stay in the EU regardless.
it's only a matter of time before we're all screwed even more by this govt,the only reason they haven't done it yet is cos they don't want to rock the boat any more until this treaty is passed. i think people will vote yes this time out of fear and it will be passed but personally,i'll be voting no again. i remember a while ago when the local elections were on,i was watching vincent brown's show on tv3 one night and maurice ahern (bertie's brother) was on it.the subject of lisbon came up and 1 of the other people on the panel asked him had he read the treaty and he replied that he didn't know anyone that had read it.that was only 3 months ago. the fcukers are just trying to confuse people in to submission,people don't know if they're coming or going with NAMA,Snip Nua,Lisbon etc.they'll probably succeed this time but i hope to fowler they don't...
Will be yes,if were doomed might as well be with the rest of Europe cos if its a no vote we'll just be doomed quicker.At least as part of the EU we stand a chance,we've none if were outside it.
Lads I just noticed I never received my polling card,. And my parents did,. So what do I do now? Also I agree with what SUPERFAN said, the clowns dont know whats in the treaty, and they dont know whats going to happen if its passed,. Minimum wage goes down for one, and no one is safe from a pay cut, how could you feed a family on the wage thats suggested. This so called government of ours will be the debt of us. (pun intended)
Yes - maybe Voting yes as it seems to be the stance taken by most of the mainstream parties. Haven't time to research it.
We are part of the EU, and that wont/cant change. Unless they all decide to make a new group and exclude the countries who vote NO, but that would take years to do.
i have spent hours trying to research it, i still have no idea what its about, why cant they just tell us what happens if we do and what happens if we dont, like a pros and cons of the treaty? there are no sites that are impartial, it is so annoying
Because people would know whats going on,. and once that happens, the government has no control over the voting, this way they do, because they are promoting the 'good' points not the bad. Sorry lads, im just a very opinionated person. My apologies in advance.
http://www.euronews.net/2008/01/05/pros-and-cons-of-the-lisbon-treaty/ The video on this site, is as close as I can find too a treaty pros and cons,. Might be of interest to people,.
There are flyers in every door from the independent commission giving the pros and cons in simple language. They point you to the website if you need more info. I am not going to tell you which way to vote but it's up to you to inform yourself. Why will no-one take responsibility for their own actions?? This matters to you, one way or the other. Even if you read nothing else, read the basic three page leaflet. It's frankly pathetic if you're old enough to vote but blame the government for not informing you. (Public money paid for those leaflets by the way, so that is the government informing you, you're just not reading it). The government, and the opposition and the farmers and the employers organisations and the trade unions. FF, FG, Labour, The Greens. What fcuking conspiracy theory is this about? What is the problem? We voted on divorce more than once. We voted on abortion more than once. That is within our own country, nothing to do with europe. So those votes are undemocratic too?? Sorry man, that's bullshit. Setting something in stone for ever more once it's been voted on once is actually the opposite of democracy, not democracy. Think about what you're saying for a minute. I am not going to tell anyone how to vote, my vote is yes but it's up to you to decide. My real problem is people who don't inform themselves, don't make up their own mind. This is not about the fcuking government, it's about the future of the country. What the fcuk about being in Europe for the past 40 years has been so harmful to us that this treaty brings so much to fear? I want to be very clear that I am not attacking anyone here, just think about this carefully and don't make a decision based on hatred for a government or just for the sake of it. Read up on it and make a decision based on what you think is best for the country. I don't know how people can disregard every party, every trade union, these people represent you...
This should help: http://www.lisbontreaty2009.ie/lisbon_treaty_your_decision.html Taken from the Home page above: The role of the Referendum Commission is to encourage you to vote and to explain, as factually and clearly as possible, what you are voting on. We would urge you to see this website as an independent and unbiased account of the Treaty content. It is required by law to be impartial and factual, and that is what it is.