View Full Version : Souness for Ireland?
Bren100
24-10-2007, 09:09 AM
I know O'Leary's name has been tipped for the Ireland job but with Souness making it clear he doesnt want the Bolton job - does he have the Ireland job in mind?
Money permitting, would you be happy with Souness as the new Ireland manager? Would you take him?
Bren100
24-10-2007, 09:14 AM
The fact that he is an ex- Rangers player and Manager makes no difference to me what so ever .... Id take him as the new manager if Delaney would release the funds to get him in and Id take Sammy Lee as his assistance/head coach but that is only a dream, Sammy is a very good coach, just not managment quality-yet anyway.
Gerry
24-10-2007, 09:18 AM
One of the best players we ever had, but as a manager and a person i dont like him and would not like to see it happen, cant forgive him for selling his story to the s*n after his heart operation !
Bren100
24-10-2007, 09:23 AM
True, I suppose he also sold every Irish player he had on his books except Duffer at Blackburn - but still we're not going to attract high profile managers though?
liverbird!!
24-10-2007, 09:24 AM
Lads lets face it, we need better than a premiership manager if we have any ambitions to win any european championship or greater.
We need a good german coach or someone that has a proven record in international games and a motivator that can actually
get players to believe they can win and not always except second best!!
fitzpatrickgary
24-10-2007, 09:36 AM
dont think souness is the answer
dont really rate him as a coach we need some one with a proven track record
Fowler's God
24-10-2007, 09:41 AM
No way, has failed miserably as a manager...we need someone with proven international credentials...good motivator and organisation wise and has a style of football that make us proud...
Bren100
24-10-2007, 10:24 AM
Getable suggestions? Plus keeping the peanuts Delaney will offer ...
Getable suggestions? Plus keeping the peanuts Delaney will offer ...
First choice for me would definitely be Paul Jewell. Failing that I'd settle for David O'Leary.
As for the money they'll be offered, story is the new manager will get €6m over 4 years, at 30k a week that ain't too shabby!
paddyb
24-10-2007, 10:51 AM
Jewell would be a good choice, maybe Houllier too
harrybosch
24-10-2007, 10:52 AM
Souness is not good enough...FACT.
Look at his record as a manager..ruined us and newcastle
poorscousertommy
24-10-2007, 11:22 AM
Nah, every club he's managed at the players have hated him, last thing we nedd is for the few decent players we have not showing up due to 'injuries'
Jafar
24-10-2007, 11:27 AM
Paul Jewell would do nicely but why would any half decent manager want the job with such a limited supply of decent players and such an obnoxious attitude in the press and the stands, at least the England job comes with a decent pool of players. Stans not too blame what did we expect from a total novice.
I thought Souness "disliked" Irish players, he has certainly sold a number over the years
paddyb
24-10-2007, 11:56 AM
Jewell might be intetested as it is part time which would suit him if he still has health issues
Souness is not good enough...FACT.
Look at his record as a manager..ruined us and newcastle
Ruined Newcastle:rolleyes:How so?
WexRed
24-10-2007, 12:22 PM
Nah, every club he's managed at the players have hated him, last thing we nedd is for the few decent players we have not showing up due to 'injuries'
Don't we have that already !!!
I dunno maybe we need a manager that will knock some heads together (I'm thinking Stephen Ireland and Robbie Keane here), get Doyle and Keane to to actually form a partnership, get Reid to run a few laps and play our best players in their best position i.e. Finnan at right back and not O'Shea and Joey O'Brien in the middle. The shitesters won't like a tough manager coming in but the players that don't have their heads up their arses (Hunt, McShane, Dunne.....) should respond to him. The softly, softly approach hasn't worked and won't. We've lost the one thing we always had and that was our passion, workrate and endeavour. Look at what Toshack has had to put up with Wales, mediocre players complaining about their 5 star luxury hotel whilst playing shite on the pitch. I bet if he had it to do again he'd go in much harder with much less of the kids gloves approach.
If some players don't like the fact its not a little holiday for them anymore then they can fcuk off and we'll end up with a team of players that do want to play and perform for their country.
Have to admit when Souness turned down any Bolton interest I thought it was fairly likely that he fancied the Ireland job. Whatever about the supposed pressures of it its nothing compared to that of trying to keep a poor team with poor support up in the Premiership. We're not world beaters but we have enough decent players to qualify for Championships ala Scotland (maybe) if not more so. All he has to do is organise them right over a two year period and he's a hero.
I'm not saying I want him as the next manager but I just don't want O'Leary or any other ex Ireland player to be very honest.
WexRed
24-10-2007, 12:29 PM
I thought Souness "disliked" Irish players, he has certainly sold a number over the years
Well if he takes the job he obviously doesn't. Betcha he dislikes lazy, dishonest prima donnas as do an awful lot of fans. Betcha he'll love the energy and endeavour of the likes of Hunt and actually start him as do/would an awful lot of fans. Betcha he'll think playing the best players in their best position isn't half a bad starting point as do an awful lot of fans. Betcha he'll think coaching our best two forwards to link up isn't a.............you get the idea, we could do worse basically and have been.
SUPERFAN
24-10-2007, 12:40 PM
would it be an absolutely ridiculous suggestion for the FAI to sound out Paco Ayesteran for the Job?
don't know if he has any ambitions to be a 1st Team Manager at some stage but if he has now is as good a time as any on the back of the great work he's done with Rafa.
homer1
24-10-2007, 01:49 PM
I have mixed feelings on Souness to be honest
One of the best midfield players we have ever had, disastrous time as manager - hated him for his S#n story but he has grown on me the past few years and seems to have mellowed of late
He has a lot of experience, good and bad it has to be said but he is a real footballing man, talks a lot of sense & won't put up with crap or primadonnas
I'd take him over O'Leary in a heartbeat, that's for sure
Fowler's God
24-10-2007, 01:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foppe_de_Haan - here is one of the candidates - has a proven track record for nurturing young players and good coach
I have mixed feelings on Souness to be honest
One of the best midfield players we have ever had, disastrous time as manager - hated him for his S#n story but he has grown on me the past few years and seems to have mellowed of late
He has a lot of experience, good and bad it has to be said but he is a real footballing man, talks a lot of sense & won't put up with crap or primadonnas
I'd take him over O'Leary in a heartbeat, that's for sure
Agreed but could you imagine the Bigots as soon as we have a poor run of results. It would be nothing compared to the abuse poor Stan got. I certainly don't want David O'Nearly :eek:
Bren100
24-10-2007, 02:10 PM
[QUOTE=sean;13555]First choice for me would definitely be Paul Jewell. Failing that I'd settle for David O'Leary.
QUOTE]
Paul Jewel is a very interesting point, never thought about him. He has the experience of over achieving with a 'weaker' side (lets be honest FIFA ratings will prove we are a weaker side)
Having said that all he has done is winning League 1 and the Championship - then the other argument is he would be more qualified than the last 3 or 4 managers - Mind you he understands the concept of playing a right full in a right full position.
Wouldnt mind Paul Jewel in the hot seat myself.
The Kopfather
24-10-2007, 03:27 PM
would it be an absolutely ridiculous suggestion for the FAI to sound out Paco Ayesteran for the Job?
don't know if he has any ambitions to be a 1st Team Manager at some stage but if he has now is as good a time as any on the back of the great work he's done with Rafa.
now you're talking, but doesn't paco still have that large garden to look after
KOP Season Ticket Holder
25-10-2007, 10:55 AM
I can't understand on anybody can have mixed feeling about Souness, the man is a living legend for us. I am a Liverpool fan first and while this may P**S some of you i am not a Celtic supporter at all i actually follow Rangers. I am Glad the Merseyside clubs never turned out like the two in Glasgow ones as they seem to have played on the religious divide up there, while the Reds and Blues have not which is why we have as many fans who would say they follow Celtic as Rangers as their team in Scotland.
I think the Irish should give this Reds legend the Job or at least consider him seriously for the position.
Aido82
25-10-2007, 11:00 AM
i know what your saying mate, but is sousness good enough to work with a national team. remember there is no buying and selling of players here, i think we need a manager that can work with the limited resources we have. Paul jewell did the business for bradford and wigan with no resources, i would welcome him before sousness to be honest
KOP Season Ticket Holder
25-10-2007, 11:07 AM
Paul jewell would be a decent manager for the Irish team, do you think he may walk out if one of the big clubs came looking for him ? Souness was no bad manager himself maybe a little big headed alright but there is no point not considering him because of his Rangers connections. We should support his choice if he gets it i know i will and i am English !
Bren100
25-10-2007, 11:26 AM
Just looking at the names in the Hearld Am -
Brady -- NO!!!
fitzpatrickgary
25-10-2007, 11:32 AM
on bbc gossip page the mirror has mentioned Terry Venables for the ireland job
corkkopite
25-10-2007, 11:40 AM
Paul jewell would be a decent manager for the Irish team, do you think he may walk out if one of the big clubs came looking for him ? Souness was no bad manager himself maybe a little big headed alright but there is no point not considering him because of his Rangers connections. We should support his choice if he gets it i know i will and i am English !
Agreed, out of all names mentioned so far I think he would be our best bet.
on bbc gossip page the mirror has mentioned Terry Venables for the ireland job
No no and Never.
As for Souness well he has sold 4 irish players
1. Liverpool if you remember at the time the 3 foreigner rule was in place and it was liverpools first season back in Europe. He though he had just a good a left full in David Burrows as Staunton (even Dalglish couldn’t decide between the two of them) so he got rid of Staunton. A decision which he has admitted he got wrong. Houghton was a strange one but Houghton was getting ichy feet at the time and Big ron was sniffing around also he was the wrong side of 30. Again souness has admitted he would have liked to keep him. He didn’t sell Ronnie Whelan did he? No Evans did. As for Destroying Liverpool IMO its too easy to say he ruined Liverpool. Ok he had a part in it but Dalglish has to take his share of the rap to. He left knowing there was nothing coming through and look at his last two signings David Speedie and Jimmy Carter. OK Souness made one huge error by trying to change things too quickly, but he has admitted that.
2. At Blackburn with Duff. Chelsea came in with a bid of 17 million and he let McAteer go at the end of his career
3. At Newcastle Given? Also didn’t he try to sign Roy Keane?
Ive never seen him as anti irish just circumstances dictated he sold Houghton and Staunton and then people add the rangers thing into it. If he was anti Irish he wouldn’t work for RTE nor when he was manager of Blackburh would he have allowed them to sign a deal with the DDSL. Yes he was stupid to sell his story to the sun but he knows he did wrong there. I dont think any Liverpool fan will forgive him for that.
He is a good experienced manager who dosent suffer fools gladly and knows his football.
YNWA
JUZ
REDHEART
25-10-2007, 10:45 PM
souness no way.i think coppell would be a better bet than jewell.knows some of the irish lads well.gets the best out of limited players.i'd like to see o leary given a go.or failing that we need someone with experience at this level.there's manager's out there who would take the job,who have brought the countries to big tournaments. e.g. roy hodgson,troussier.horses for courses.:)
I can't understand on anybody can have mixed feeling about Souness, the man is a living legend for us. I am a Liverpool fan first and while this may P**S some of you i am not a Celtic supporter at all i actually follow Rangers. I am Glad the Merseyside clubs never turned out like the two in Glasgow ones as they seem to have played on the religious divide up there, while the Reds and Blues have not which is why we have as many fans who would say they follow Celtic as Rangers as their team in Scotland.
I think the Irish should give this Reds legend the Job or at least consider him seriously for the position.
Couldn't give a fying f**k about Celtic or Rangers.
I only support/follow one club team.
stephenocall
26-10-2007, 08:34 AM
i would prefer jewell to souness,i think he would do a far better job!!
one things for sure tho,no body can do any worse,we can only get better!!
To be honest I wouldn't be against the idea of Souness as manager - he comes across as the kind of manager who would be a great motivator, something we really need after the last campaign. Jewell is and will remain my first choice though.
Incidentally, Jack Charlton was saying he think Ron Atkinson would be an ideal choice - wonder what peoples opinions on that would be.
I wouldn't like Jewell to be honest, i think we should go with someone who's proven at international management.
fitzpatrickgary
27-10-2007, 12:24 PM
To be honest I wouldn't be against the idea of Souness as manager - he comes across as the kind of manager who would be a great motivator, something we really need after the last campaign. Jewell is and will remain my first choice though.
Incidentally, Jack Charlton was saying he think Ron Atkinson would be an ideal choice - wonder what peoples opinions on that would be.
yeah i heard the rumour of big ron in my opinion he is not the man for the job not a bad manager in his day but never great and i feel we need someone wit a proven track record and wit a hunger to achieve something i think it would just be a paycheck for big ron
rumours in the star newspaper yesterday where suggesting houllier
any opinons on him getting the job i think he could do well
clarni
27-10-2007, 01:49 PM
No no and Never.
As for Souness well he has sold 4 irish players
Totally agree, he was only in the job and couldn't wait to get rid of the Irish players. Can't see how he would have any passion for the national team.
What about Kenny??
Alex Raisbeck
28-10-2007, 09:26 AM
Totally agree, he was only in the job and couldn't wait to get rid of the Irish players. Can't see how he would have any passion for the national team.
What about Kenny??
Incorrect.
Souness only sold 2 irish players.
Staunton in his first year and Houghton after his first season.
Aldo was already gone sold by Kenny , and Whelan was kept and later moved on in Evans reign.
Incorrect.
Souness only sold 2 irish players.
Staunton in his first year and Houghton after his first season.
Aldo was already gone sold by Kenny , and Whelan was kept and later moved on in Evans reign.
Thats some memory mate!
flashm
29-10-2007, 04:14 PM
souness has publicly said he would be interested in the job,and would relish managing for such a great country, he would be alot better than some of the names mentioned in the papers
Bren100
30-10-2007, 11:07 AM
Mind you he didnt get rid of Carr and Shay at Newcastle ... then again Shay is, top 5, best premiership keepers there has ever been. He couldnt attract a better keeper to Newcastle.
Incorrect.
Souness only sold 2 irish players.
Staunton in his first year and Houghton after his first season.
Aldo was already gone sold by Kenny , and Whelan was kept and later moved on in Evans reign.
I meant he sold 4 players in his management career. Staunto Houghton Duff and McAteer
YNWA
JUZ
Trevinem
01-11-2007, 03:37 PM
at least hes not affraid to throw his weight around and be a man. Staunton wasn't big enough to be a manager of a National team
Trevinem
01-11-2007, 03:49 PM
we should get Tony Cascarino to Manage Ireland! Sure he didnt even qualify to play for us and he won lots of caps...he'd have brazillians lining out for us!!!
Not exactly major or ground breaking news, but the FAI released this statement this evening. Looks like they are going to keep the public onside from the word go and inform them of everything going on, and absolve themselves of any blame if it all goes belly up.
The Football Association of Ireland’s Board of Management met today to discuss the senior international team manager position. Several people, with considerable football experience in the professional game, will now be approached to assess their willingness and availability to participate in the recruitment process and make a recommendation to the Board of the Association.
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2579
Pimboli
02-11-2007, 08:19 AM
I dont know about Sourpuss he does seem to have a habit of falling out with players whatever club he manages.
It would be interesting if he took it how Dunphy wont react to losing his boyfriend on the RTE panel
Bren100
02-11-2007, 11:31 AM
Im very impressed my first ever thread has managed to make 3 pages!! ;)
:D
RedNip
02-11-2007, 02:11 PM
I dont know about Sourpuss he does seem to have a habit of falling out with players whatever club he manages.
This would be the one major question mark over Souness getting the Ireland job falling out with players at International level has far bigger consequence on how the team performs than it would have at club level
I'm with the majority on here & believe Paul Jewel would be the best man for the job after that Venables is not a bad second option.
Im very impressed my first ever thread has managed to make 3 pages!! ;):D
:D Nice one mate! maybe you should start more
mickey29
02-11-2007, 10:21 PM
i am not sure on him i would like to see paul jewell have a go at it he done a great job when he was at wigan but who ever they go for they will be going chaep and wont give the big money to a good manager
pmaharaj
04-11-2007, 07:26 PM
i just hope the fai don't buckle and hire the first cowboy that comes along, we need some one with plenty of experience.
Digger88
05-11-2007, 02:42 PM
Wigan just sacked their manager - Souness is favourite with bookies...reckon he'll go there if offered and interested in
the job. No idea who the next Ireland manager should be -
hopefully someone that will unite everyone and get the
fans and media behind him....sick of nonsense over last
few years with McCarthy (after Saipan), Kerr (although
to lesser extent) and Staunton where media are looking
for blood after only a few games.
liverbird!!
06-11-2007, 10:34 AM
LIAM BRADY
I bet they will take him on!
kingdomkop
06-11-2007, 12:58 PM
will this rule him out in taking the job (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/wigan/article2814029.ece) I think so
Bren100
06-11-2007, 02:30 PM
LIAM BRADY
I bet they will take him on!
Apparently the FAI are creating a minimum requirment (like any employer should) for the role and Brady/O'Leary are not experienced enough.
Having said that - that doesnt mean that Delaney, the gold fish, will stick to his criteria .... gimp.
mypost
09-11-2007, 01:06 AM
Apparently the FAI are creating a minimum requirment and Brady/O'Leary are not experienced enough.
These are the guys who hired Staunton, remember. :D
Wouldn't like to see Souness as Irish boss. 3 years of having to put up with the painful plonker was more than enough. He's had about 10 jobs, and bar Rangers, he's been sacked in all of them. Enough said.
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