800m runner has been asked to take a gender test

[zed]

South African 800m star Caster Semenya has been asked to take a gender test, according to athletics' governing body.

BBC link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8210471.stm)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46231000/jpg/_46231695_semenya.jpg

[carpe diem]

pmsl :D:D

[LUCAN RED!!!]

pmsl :D:D

what does that stand for?

[MrsPepe]

what does that stand for?


Pi55ing my self laughing:D

[LUCAN RED!!!]

oh right

[carpe diem]

Pi55ing my self laughing:D

phew, thought i got it wrong by his reaction,am still newish to this internet talk :D:D

[D-Red]

what does that stand for?

Pity Miss Semenya's Lover

;)

[LUCAN RED!!!]

its ok i used to be like that!!!!

[LUCAN RED!!!]

pity miss semenya's lover

;)

:d:d:d:d:d

[Ron1892]

Hahahah the shame off it....The poor "THING"...

[LUCAN RED!!!]

Hahahah the shame off it....The poor "THING"...

the poor "it"

[zed]

http://af.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20090816&t=2&i=11249087&w=450&r=2009-08-16T091122Z_01_AJOE57F0PJ000_RTROPTP_0_OZASP-ATHLETICS-WORLD-WOMEN-800-20090816

[Ron1892]

the poor "it"

i live in the country side,moved here about 6 years ago and there is one here..Its not allowed to piss in the mens or womens toilets as neither gender want it in the toilet with them..

[NiallD]

Wonder who'll be brave enough to post her in the "unconventially attractive thread".

[LUCAN RED!!!]

i live in the country side,moved here about 6 years ago and there is one here..Its not allowed to piss in the mens or womens toilets as neither gender want it in the toilet with them..

is that a true story

[south]

Wonder who'll be brave enough to post her in the "unconventially attractive thread".

haha :D

[RedWally]

She won her Gold tonight.

[JMurray#8]

That has to be a dude!:eek:

[Ron1892]

is that a true story

certaintly is mate...when we moved down here i went into the garage to buy something and i noticed this what i thought was a woman walking around in her bare feet..little did i no what it was..its got the body of a woman and it has had the op..has the boobs and the whole works..appartnely it was born a man but had some womens organs..he is treated ok around the country as thats where its from..

[LUCAN RED!!!]

certaintly is mate...when we moved down here i went into the garage to buy something and i noticed this what i thought was a woman walking around in her bare feet..little did i no what it was..its got the body of a woman and it has had the op..has the boobs and the whole works..appartnely it was born a man but had some womens organs..he is treated ok around the country as thats where its from..

sorry for doubting you

[Ron1892]

sorry for doubting you

nah man,its kind of hard to believe tilll you see it..but its lived here all its life so its accepted..

[Monty]

This is a load of balls....;)

[Beanokelly]

Thats very disrepectful to her/him that the whole world no they are doing a gender test the should do the test on williams sister in tennis

[AnfieldAura]

The poor "thing"?? The poor "it"?!

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Are you children or adults?

[Ali]

Thats very disrepectful to her/him that the whole world no they are doing a gender test the should do the test on williams sister in tennis

:(:eek::D

[Paddser]

Thats very disrepectful to her/him that the whole world no they are doing a gender test the should do the test on williams sister in tennis

Mauresmo came under scrutiny at one stage didn't she?

[elvis]

Mauresmo came under scrutiny at one stage didn't she?

Dont you mean Manesmo. A few people have, its outrageous really. Theres probably no truth in any of it.

[Liverpool-law]

Wasn't there an East German "female" athlete as well way back? I think she was genuinely a she but had taken so much steroids that she started becoming a he

[elvis]

Wasn't there an East German "female" athlete as well way back? I think she was genuinely a she but had taken so much steroids that she started becoming a he

Yeah the whole female Olympic team was injected with steroids and other stuff was given to them to "counteract" the effect of the steroids. There was a big scandal and a documentary done about it, some of them died really young because of it, and the rest had their lives ruined.

[titti]

if u had to take one for the team to find out would u , take the bullet ,

[Liverpool-law]

By the looks of it you'd be taking one alright

[titti]

maybe thats the batton for the 4x4 wo,,,mens race she has down her pants

[Paul]

The poor "thing"?? The poor "it"?!

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Are you children or adults?

Exaxtly, poor girl getting treated like she has beem by IAAF is a disgrace really :mad:

[LFC_Mark]

In fairness though she's a very masculine 18yr old girl

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2009/0/4/19-08-09-image-1-890062799.jpg

:eek:

[zed]

http://www.morethanthegames.co.uk/files/morethanthegames/semenya.jpghttp://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00478/Didier_Drogba_478675a.jpg

[LFC_Mark]

http://www.morethanthegames.co.uk/files/morethanthegames/semenya.jpghttp://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00478/Didier_Drogba_478675a.jpg

brothers maybe :D

[JOE]

This is clearly a situation of the media blowing a story out of all proportion, pure and simple innuendo...we see this tripe everyday in the redtops and this story is nothing different...The situation here at worst is that she is a hermaphrodite, meaning that she was born with both male and female reproductive organs. The parents decide at birth which sex they want the child to be and surgery is performed...

Alternatively, it could be a genetic dissorder whereby too much testosterone is released...this has occurred in many female athletes and in sydney olympics 1 in 423 female suffered with this condition...

Either way, these "complex tests" the media speak of were banned in sydney as they are not conclusive due to the condition named above...

The sporting authorities should be condemned for how they have handled the situation...

A simple case of the media latching onto a story and demoralising a young girl at her greatest hour...

I stand to be corrected pending the outcome...

[Rover 609]

This one here BBC correspondent in Afghanistan is a little dodgy too!!!

Caroline Wyatt

http://www.journalism.co.uk/staging/assets/4/6//Wyatt-publicity-pic.jpg_resized_x_300.jpeg

[elvis]

http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/148ea2e1d994d8.jpg

This is a dude as well. :eek:

[Juan]

http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/148ea2e1d994d8.jpg

This is a dude as well. :eek:

No way.

[elvis]

No way.

Yes indeed, shocking I know. I dont know if you remember a programme on SkyOne a few years back or not called There's Something About Miriam? Well thats Miriam, and the something about her was the crown jewels, and there was loads of lads competing for her love, and in the end she revealed she was a dude, and the "WINNER" of the show nearly died of heart failure, the clip is really funny, as all the other lads who were gutted they didn't win can be seen in the back round saying to each other yeah I knew i did't want to win etc.

[CrazyHorse]

Wasn't there an East German "female" athlete as well way back? I think she was genuinely a she but had taken so much steroids that she started becoming a he

Yeah, remember reading something a while back about this very story...

S(He) was breaking all sorts of records and slaughtering the other competitors.
*Insert gag here*

Cant remember the name though...
Its going way back though, the 70's at the least

[elvis]

Yeah, remember reading something a while back about this very story...

S(He) was breaking all sorts of records and slaughtering the other competitors.
*Insert gag here*

Cant remember the name though...
Its going way back though, the 70's at the least


Birgit Boese
Heidi Krieger - Now called Andreas Krieger
Two of the more documented cases.

http://www.rediff.com/sports/2004/nov/01dope.htm


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/26/sports/othersports/26STER.html?ei=5007&en=bc039fed4c6ea23a&ex=1390453200&adxnnl=1&partner=USERLAND&adxnnlx=1188821023-mkTUAdpu3eK9XBdTS61TEQ&pagewanted=1


http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/03/sports/olympics-coaches-concede-that-steroids-fueled-east-germany-s-success-in-swimming.html?sec=health


http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web2/naimzadeh2.html

Thats just a few of the many articles on it.

[NiallD]

Got embarrassing near the end................sad.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/06/FIREMAN_narrowweb__300x557,0.jpg

[Juan]

http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/148ea2e1d994d8.jpg

This is a dude as well. :eek:

How could you say no to that? if you did say no,you'd have to be gay.
**scratches head**:)

[stamullen red]

see that it was female athletes that first raised the doubts about caster semenya,they said that the hairs on her chest went all the way down to her bollocks and when asked to give a urine sample she could not get her mickey into the bottle

[redabbey]

The European Lpga golf tour don't seem to have a problem with Miane Bagger. I probably helps that he/she is not a winner.

http://femalemuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/29_1244712370O5zr.jpg

[Benbecul97]

This is clearly a situation of the media blowing a story out of all proportion, pure and simple innuendo...we see this tripe everyday in the redtops and this story is nothing different...The situation here at worst is that she is a hermaphrodite, meaning that she was born with both male and female reproductive organs. The parents decide at birth which sex they want the child to be and surgery is performed...

Alternatively, it could be a genetic dissorder whereby too much testosterone is released...this has occurred in many female athletes and in sydney olympics 1 in 423 female suffered with this condition...

Either way, these "complex tests" the media speak of were banned in sydney as they are not conclusive due to the condition named above...

The sporting authorities should be condemned for how they have handled the situation...

A simple case of the media latching onto a story and demoralising a young girl at her greatest hour...

I stand to be corrected pending the outcome...

+1
The IAAF have handled this very badly

[CrazyHorse]

see that it was female athletes that first raised the doubts about caster semenya,they said that the hairs on her chest went all the way down to her bollocks and when asked to give a urine sample she could not get her mickey into the bottle

Priceless!!

N1 Stamullen...

[Paul]

http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/148ea2e1d994d8.jpg

This is a dude as well. :eek:

Not anymore by the looks of it :eek:

[Liverpool-law]

Not anymore by the looks of it :eek:

At the time of the show "she" was pre-op anyway, don't know if the show paid to finish the job... in the picture, note her hand, I'd say she parts to the right...

[titti]

see that it was female athletes that first raised the doubts about caster semenya,they said that the hairs on her chest went all the way down to her bollocks and when asked to give a urine sample she could not get her mickey into the bottle

this one made my day ,super stuff , :D

[JOE]

At the time of the show "she" was pre-op anyway, don't know if the show paid to finish the job... in the picture, note her hand, I'd say she parts to the right...

Good spot...haha

[elvis]

At the time of the show "she" was pre-op anyway, don't know if the show paid to finish the job... in the picture, note her hand, I'd say she parts to the right...

She's still pre-op according to Wikipedia. Or he is anyway.

[zed]

PP are actually taking bets on the outcome of the Gender Test

Female.................1/10
Hermaphrodite.......11/2
Transgender..........20/1
Male....................25/1
Other...................50/1

[elvis]

PP are actually taking bets on the outcome of the Gender Test

Female.................1/10
Hermaphrodite.......11/2
Transgender..........20/1
Male....................25/1
Other...................50/1

They would take bets on anything, even if you win that bet, they probably wont pay out. They're some shower. My money would be on other,. What is other?

[RedWally]

Reported to have 3 times the normal testosterone for a woman. Saw her interviewed on TV this morning - sounds very male.

[MrsPepe]

I personally think the way this has been handled by the media is shocking

[RedWally]

I personally think the way this has been handled by the media is shocking

Not surprised at the way the media has acted - they're normally wetting themselves as stories like this emerge. The IAAF screwed this up big time.

[stamullen red]

up until recently caster semenya only claim to fame was that she could grow a full beard,moustache and sideburns quicker than the merchandise united full back the ever charming gary neville

[fitzpatrickgary]

'Caster Semenya' = 'Yes, a secret man'

[fitzpatrickgary]

Gender tests on South Africa's 800m world champion Caster Semenya have revealed that she has an inter gender condition

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8249948.stm

[Shay]

Gender tests on South Africa's 800m world champion Caster Semenya have revealed that she has an inter gender condition

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8249948.stm

So she's got a poon & a peener

[fitzpatrickgary]

they officials got suspicious when they asked he/her for a gender test ater a race and she replied ask me b*ll*x:p

[Venom1983]

So will it be banned or what?

[CHRIS1892]

The experts said she had internal testes, & high levels of testosterone, but no womb or ovaries, so your guess is as good as mine!

[titicamara]

I'd like to see the media leave this girl alone, she's obviously had to deal with a lot so far in her life and she's become a successful athlete.

I for one say fair balls to her.

[megager]

Probably chromosomally male but phenotypically female. Such conditions as Androgen insenitivity syndrome or 5 alpha reductase would do this. The former are chromosomally male, but the receptors for Testosterone dont work at all. In fact they have really high levels of testosterone (higher than pheotypic men as the pitutary tries to kick start the system).


Alternatively she could have an adrenal problem (congenital adrenal hyperplasia).

Anyway I think it is a disgrace the way the media and the IAAC have treated this girl. She has been reared as a girl, she should be allowed compete. The extra androgens maybe conferring an advantage, but it is an advantage of nature, not pharmacological. It is to my mind no different to the Kenyas training at altitude and having a higher haematocrit, therefore conferring an advantage for long distance running.

[Badman]

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Probably chromosomally male but phenotypically female. Such conditions as Androgen insenitivity syndrome or 5 alpha reductase would do this. The former are chromosomally male, but the receptors for Testosterone dont work at all. In fact they have really high levels of testosterone (higher than pheotypic men as the pitutary tries to kick start the system).


Alternatively she could have an adrenal problem (congenital adrenal hyperplasia).

Anyway I think it is a disgrace the way the media and the IAAC have treated this girl. She has been reared as a girl, she should be allowed compete. The extra androgens maybe conferring an advantage, but it is an advantage of nature, not pharmacological. It is to my mind no different to the Kenyas training at altitude and having a higher haematocrit, therefore conferring an advantage for long distance running.
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Exactly what i was thinking!!!

[marathonman]

the IAAF has told sex row athlete she can keep her medal after her dad, Fatima Whitbread confirmed she was a girl.

[RedWally]

the IAAF has told sex row athlete she can keep her medal after her dad, Fatima Whitbread confirmed she was a girl.

Good one.

[RedMurph08]

the IAAF has told sex row athlete she can keep her medal after her dad, Fatima Whitbread confirmed she was a girl.

Hahaha :D:D

[CHARMAC]

http://madnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/rio.jpg[/QUOTE]

Now this has to be questionable as well

[marathonman]

E-mails show South African officials covered-up gender tests on Caster Semenya
(John Giles/PA)
Caster Semenya won gold in the women's 800m
Fred Bridgland in Johannesburg 18 Comments
Recommend? (21) South Africa’s athletics authority carried out gender tests on the runner Caster Semenya before she travelled to Berlin last month, establishing that she had internal testes but withholding the findings.

According to e-mail exchanges published yesterday, officials at Athletics South Africa (ASA) were aware that a Pretoria clinic had found that Semenya had internal testes and produced abnormal amounts of testosterone for a woman. The matter was raised by Harold Adams, the ASA’s chief medical officer and team doctor, the Mail & Guardian newspaper reported.

Dr Adams suggested that the ASA carry out tests on Semenya, 18, because of her deep voice, muscular body and facial hair in case her gender became a subject of controversy at the world championships. She went on to win gold in the 800 metres.
One advised Dr Adams to begin his own gender tests on Semenya on August 5, ten days before the world championships. It appears that Semenya underwent the tests shortly thereafter.

However, before he had received the clinical report from the Pretoria clinic Dr Adams appears to have suggested keeping the results confidential until the South African team were in Berlin, and only once there to consider what to do about “these issues if they come up”.

One e-mail from Dr Adams to Leonard Chuene, the ASA president, and Molatelo Malehopo, its general manager, says: “Thinking about the current confidential matter I would suggest we make the following decisions. 1. We get a gynae opinion and take it to Berlin. 2. We do nothing and I will handle these issues if they come up in Berlin.”

Once the gender report was completed it triggered a further flurry of worried e-mails between top ASA officials.

When the Australian journalist Mike Hurst leaked a report by the IAAF, the world governing body for athletics, that Semenya was a hermaphrodite South African officials angrily denounced it and denied it had carried out its own tests.

The ASA also accused Hurst and other journalists of racism and insensitivity towards “our little girl”. Makhenkesi Stofile, the South African Sports Minister, lost his temper at a press conference and threatened to start a “third world war” if Semenya was banned from international competition by the IAAF because of her gender.

Wilfred Daniels, the former ASA chief coach, who resigned last week in protest at ASA’s handling of the Semenya saga, said that the ASA had duped Semenya into thinking the gender test carried out on her were routine drugs test.

He said that the runner was left “distressed and humiliated” by the examination during which her genitalia were photographed.

The Mail & Guardian said: “The betrayal of Caster Semenya at the hands of those who should have protected her must rank among the cruellest acts ever to dominate international attention for the wrong reasons.”




Fcukwit. How do these people get to be the in charge of anything?

[redabbey]

Athlete Caster Semenya free to compete

Semenya has been out of action since winning in Berlin

South African athlete Caster Semenya has been given the all-clear to return to competition by the International Amateur Athletics Federation.

The world 800m champion has been out of the sport for 11 months after undergoing gender tests.

"The IAAF accepts the conclusion of a panel of medical experts that she can compete with immediate effect," read a statement from the athletics body.

"Please note that the medical details of the case remain confidential."

More to follow (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8793668.stm).

[Shay]

Would ye?

[Con]

Would ye?

Ya filthy animal :D:D