Who can replace the beard(Xabi)

[trucker]

Given that this is likely to go through in the next week or so, who shall we try and get to replace him with the £30m, discuss.

[fermoyred80]

Fantasy world would be drop Gerrard back and bring in Augero.

Real world will prob be still drop Gerrard back and Silva and Negrado could be brought in with the money and as part of the deal

[Paddser]

Given that this is likely to go through in the next week or so, who shall we try and get to replace him with the £30m, discuss.

Are we not signing you from Munich? ;):p

[ianomccabe]

Fabregas could do a super job for us, let the others go and play. Unfortunately don't think it will ever happen

[trucker]

Are we not signing you from Munich? ;):p

The state I ws in that day in Madrid that was a nice comparison:)

[graham]

Fantasy world would be drop Gerrard back and bring in Augero.

Real world will prob be still drop Gerrard back and Silva and Negrado could be brought in with the money and as part of the deal

I'm with you on this. Very long shot but nice to dream all the same

[trucker]

I personly think Lucas will play alot bigger role this season, there will be a replacement bought for Xabi alright maybe somebody like Mark Noble could make the step up to a top side, but I think Lucas will start the season as 1st choice, I really think we should be trying to get Snijder and £18m from Madrid, as it would give us alot more options.

[wertyu]

Xabi for Xavi

[GaryMc]

Rafa preferred formation is two holding midfielders, so assuming Masher stays and Alonso go, we defo need a top top player to replace him. Lucas is not up to it week in week out.

If we got 30 million for Alonso, then I would test Chelsea with a 30 million bid for Essien

He is the best box to box midfielder in the Premier League

[ianomccabe]

I personly think Lucas will play alot bigger role this season, there will be a replacement bought for Xabi alright maybe somebody like Mark Noble could make the step up to a top side, but I think Lucas will start the season as 1st choice, I really think we should be trying to get Snijder and £18m from Madrid, as it would give us alot more options.

He looks like he could go on to be a great player

[LFC_Mark]

its a very difficult situation, on the one hand im thinking rafa wont be tempted to change the formation back to 4-4-2 but realistically it could be his only option there are not many midfielders in the world that are close to xabi's quality at keeping games ticking over.

i also dont like the idea of stevie moving back as i think his perfect position has been found behind the striker.

one name that was mentioned to me yesterday and the more i taught of it the more sense it made as i think he could be got for a nice price - mikel arteta?

[Captain_Morgan]

I personly think Lucas will play alot bigger role this season, there will be a replacement bought for Xabi alright maybe somebody like Mark Noble could make the step up to a top side, but I think Lucas will start the season as 1st choice, I really think we should be trying to get Snijder and £18m from Madrid, as it would give us alot more options.

Good shout that, i dont agree with you on lucas playing a bigger role i just dont think he can step up to the plate, one other who i think could do a job for us but it will never happen is mikel arteta

[fermoyred80]

If it is Lucas and Masch in the centre would the midfield not be extra defensive and like last season we wold lack that final ball in midfield to open defenses like Hull, Stoke etc.

[D-Red]

A good few of you of the same opinion on this thread and Each to their own, but I'd like to think we would be aiming a bit higher than Mark Noble!

[The Pernicious One]

If it is Lucas and Masch in the centre would the midfield not be extra defensive and like last season we wold lack that final ball in midfield to open defenses like Hull, Stoke etc.

Same two lads who manned the midfield in the old trafford massacre.
But we would need something extra on the wings for the games against stoke/hull etc.

[RedWally]

A good few of you of the same opinion on this thread and Each to their own, but I'd like to think we would be aiming a bit higher than Mark Noble!

+1

[Captain_Morgan]

A good few of you of the same opinion on this thread and Each to their own, but I'd like to think we would be aiming a bit higher than Mark Noble!


just think he has the potential to be a top player, if we were looking for a player similar to xabi there aint too many around, arteta, cana off marseilles, dafour from liege.

If you were looking for a 1 year stop gap if rafa cant get his top target then maybe marcos senna or gilberto silva

[Captain_Morgan]

Does anyone think Viera would be worth a punt??

[scousepaddy]

anyone know anything about javi martinez?i read he was the "next alonso" a while ago and that we were after him? Arteta wont come to us and noble is not the class of player we need. cambiassos names is getting thrown about a bit

[D-Red]

just think he has the potential to be a top player, if we were looking for a player similar to xabi there aint too many around, arteta, cana off marseilles, dafour from liege.

I know where you're coming from mate, but "potential" isn't really worth a damn if we're going to win the league this year, we need to get this right and it has to be a player who can live up to Xabi's pedigree straight away. I'm not saying I have the answer, but I expect Rafa does. And it won't be Mark Noble (please God!)

[Ron1892]

Lads ive seen us been linked with Cambeassio of Inter..Never really seen him play..Hes about 28 too so just a year old than xabi..

[The Pernicious One]

Mark Noble = Potential.
Doesnt Rafa constantly get stick for buying potential.

[eoinlfc101]

i think viera would be worth a punt but who knows saying that i belive negredo cattermole and silva will be the end product however i would love javi martinez ribery and silve but that is fantasy, the reality is who knows, rafa has surly got plans in order, problem is if we recieve a high amount of cash for xabi i belive other teams will increase there prices,as for mark noble there definitly is potential but i doubt he can fill the gap and i could see the pressure been to much for him

[Ron1892]

Think Viera is too old for us myself...

Also i dont think he would justify the huge wages he is looking for.

Also replacing a 27 year old with a 33 yr old even if it is just for one season is not right as this is the season to make a impact so we need players with fresh legs who can last the full season and i dont think Vieria would be able for that.

[Captain_Morgan]

Think Viera is too old for us myself...

Also i dont think he would justify the huge wages he is looking for.

Also replacing a 27 year old with a 33 yr old even if it is just for one season is not right as this is the season to make a impact so we need players with fresh legs who can last the full season and i dont think Vieria would be able for that.

Gary mac?????

Just saying he has experience and knows what it takes to win a league, im not saying he should be a first choice replacement its only if rafa cant get his 1st choice replacement IF xabi goes

[dfunk]

Mentioned on another site but what about Scott Parker? Still a regular for England and decent midfielder who could be picked up from <£10mil. Just got voted West Hams player of the season too.

[Gerry]

Dont shoot the messenger but there was talk of us having an interest in catemole or whatever wat you spell his name, i will be honest and say i have not seen to much of him!

[Ron1892]

Gary mac?????

Just saying he has experience and knows what it takes to win a league, im not saying he should be a first choice replacement its only if rafa cant get his 1st choice replacement IF xabi goes

Think Gary Mac was a except to the rule..

My preception of Vieria is that he is all about money and this is going to be his last move i reckon..

But your are right in a sense that yes he has the experience to win the league which could be vital to us, but id rather rafa save a few pound and buy some one around the same age or younger than Xabi.

[LFC_Mark]

Dont shoot the messenger but there was talk of us having an interest in catemole or whatever wat you spell his name, i will be honest and say i have not seen to much of him!

I heard this aswell mate and im in the same boat as yourself i havent seen enough of him so couldnt say how good or bad the chap is, i did read he done well for engerland in the u21's euros

[scousepaddy]

viera would hardly be a replacement tho, he does not at all play in the same manner as xabi! we need someone to pull the strigs in there and spread the ball about, i dont know what cambiasso is like but i dontthink anyone else metioned can do what xabi does for us

[fermoyred80]

Dont shoot the messenger but there was talk of us having an interest in catemole or whatever wat you spell his name, i will be honest and say i have not seen to much of him!


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Dunno about him, Id prefer to have Lucas than Cattermole. Another average English player imo

[Pimboli]

Gary mac?????

Just saying he has experience and knows what it takes to win a league, im not saying he should be a first choice replacement its only if rafa cant get his 1st choice replacement IF xabi goes

Gary Mac actually is a perfect example of the type of player we would need to replace Alonso (but younger and actually still playing naturally) but he was a one off, Viera to me is a cross between Masch and Gerrard and I cant see him hacking the EPL pace anymore to be honest even for a season.

[eoinlfc101]

to be honest the only player i think is like alonso is martinez but adapting to england could take time and i believe he could cost in the region of 20 million sterling, to me he is the only like for like player out there, we have been linked with cattermole and cambiasso and mark noble nothing there to spread fear into an opposing team cambiasso is to old for pl and has a defensive mind set

[Rover 609]

Of no addition i know but Diego who played with Bremen but gone go Juventus looked the ****in business.No idea who we could get at this stage should Xabi go,its a bad situation 4 weeks before ko.

[wertyu]

Think the player himself should come out with a statement to clear this up!

[byrnetred]

gerrard back in the middle with villa up front

[megager]

Not sure. Arteta springs to mind but obviously not a like for like. Id hope Alonso will stay but unlikely. If alonso goes Negredo will come in.

[SUPERFAN]

gerrard back in the middle with villa up front

i like your thinking...;)

[graham]

I think if we brought in Villa or Aguero and pushed Gerrard back into mid field. What do you all reckon our chances would be of signing either of those players if we got a good revenue from the Alonso deal?

[titti]

youth i would go for delph off the leeds and main target would be johnson off middlesbourgh, two great prospects ,

[djdwainec]

I think if we brought in Villa or Aguero and pushed Gerrard back into mid field. What do you all reckon our chances would be of signing either of those players if we got a good revenue from the Alonso deal?

+1 , im sure if we made a serious bid villa would consider moving, what better way to go into a world cup year than to be partnered with your striker for a full season, also torres probably talked to him during the confederations cup.

personally id like to see aaron lennon come in and maybe dirk kuyt up frot sometimes.

[GaryMc]

4-2-3-1 is Rafa's formation and the last two season he has dabbled in 4-4-2 with mixed results. When it came down to at the business end, he reverted back to 4-2-3-1 and we steam rollered teams. Gerrard played the best football of career and Nando plays better in the lone front man role. It was noticable in Euro 2008 that he was not as effective in 4-4-2.

I think an experienced international is much better than gambling on English Potential or indeed a promising foreigner

No one has mentioned Trosten Frings of Germany. He looked good in both WC 06 and Euro 08, although I aint seen much of him at club level.

If we are going all out, then lash a bid in for the likes of Cambiasso, Di Rossi, Toure of Barca or one of the Diarras from Madrid.

[graham]

4-2-3-1 obviously works well, but I think its too limited to win both the champions league and the premier league which I think is what we could be aiming for. I also think we may need more hitmen like the 2 I mentioned to take out the smaller teams. I agree that 4-4-2 has been mixed... but I think it would work with Aguero or David Villa being played off Torres. Those 2 in particular

[Ron1892]

Lads i going to be shot for saying this one, But what about Stephen Ireland..

He had a cracking season last season, and i no he is one of Citys best players and they wont let him go, but he could be worth a punt..

[graham]

Lads i going to be shot for saying this one, But what about Stephen Ireland..

He had a cracking season last season, and i no he is one of Citys best players and they wont let him go, but he could be worth a punt..

Good player, I don't think they'd let him go though. They're not short a few bob

[Ron1892]

Good player, I don't think they'd let him go though. They're not short a few bob

No harm in testing them..Maybe we could do with madrid done and try unsettle him although it is not very professional..But with the chance of pplaying champs league footie and a chance to win the league why wouldnt he want to come i think..

[F@ces]

Why do people want to change from our best formation, that which has allowed us to beat the best in Europe? The optimal position for Gerrard is the current one, and with Torres ahead of him that is one of the finest attacks in the whole of Europe (and on it's day, both match fit and playing week in week out - I'd argue THE best).

Never mind the Andy Gray "Gerrard is better in the centre" nonsense.

Thankfully Rafa will be thinking likewise. Unless I'm seriously mistaken he will not break up this partnership. Why, if we've lost a (granted, exceptionally important) player would Rafa add further disruption by changing his whole system?

If Alonso goes, and we sign no-one else, Lucas will be stepping up to the plate. Like it or not. We're not going to sign David Villa's or anything like that, not to sit on the bench, and not because Rafa is going to change a winning system.

So as Trucker put it - "who can replace the beard". I'm stuck for any real suggestions to be honest (barring Sneider but I worry about the guys stamina). However lets not think that Xabi going means the entire system has to be changed, or indeed that Rafa will do so.

[bobby benitez]

I agree with Faces - we dont change the top 2 no matter what. Is Aguero,Villa or Negado (dont even know his name) better than Torres or Gerrard? Answer is clearly no.

I'd go for Defour from Liege as direct replacement or spalsh the cash on Ribery and give Lucas a run. My perfered option would to ignore Alonso and tell him he is staying for 1 more year.

[graham]

Why do people want to change from our best formation, that which has allowed us to beat the best in Europe? The optimal position for Gerrard is the current one, and with Torres ahead of him that is one of the finest attacks in the whole of Europe (and on it's day, both match fit and playing week in week out - I'd argue THE best).

Never mind the Andy Gray "Gerrard is better in the centre" nonsense.

Thankfully Rafa will be thinking likewise. Unless I'm seriously mistaken he will not break up this partnership. Why, if we've lost a (granted, exceptionally important) player would Rafa add further disruption by changing his whole system?

If Alonso goes, and we sign no-one else, Lucas will be stepping up to the plate. Like it or not. We're not going to sign David Villa's or anything like that, not to sit on the bench, and not because Rafa is going to change a winning system.

So as Trucker put it - "who can replace the beard". I'm stuck for any real suggestions to be honest (barring Sneider but I worry about the guys stamina). However lets not think that Xabi going means the entire system has to be changed, or indeed that Rafa will do so.
Because we need more options than just that 1 formation. We're currently nailing the big games, but we need more firepower for the smaller teams and to cover injuries too. There's so many games in the season for Liverpool with the Champions League and The Premier League that we need another options too. Signing another world class striker doesn't mean we will never ever play the current system again. It depends on the fitness situation of our attacking players and the opposition we're up against

[F@ces]

Because we need more options than just that 1 formation. We're currently nailing the big games, but we need more firepower for the smaller teams and to cover injuries too. There's so many games in the season for Liverpool with the Champions League and The Premier League that we need another options too. Signing another world class striker doesn't mean we will never ever play the current system again. It depends on the fitness situation of our attacking players and the opposition we're up against

And we have other options; Rafa has already spoken of the possibility of using 5 at the back and playing with attacking full backs, for example. If we suffer from injuries, or players are rested, then Rafa may be left with no alternative than to field a 4-4-2 or similar.

The question, at least to me, is asked in reference to how we can replace a player in our best/first team, the team of players that will play the most and the very crucial games (injuries aside). To highlight this further, as implied above by bobby benitez, why would Rafa buy a player to replace either/or of Gerrard and Torres up front? Sure, Stevie can move back into the centre, but in that fell swoop we've decreased his effectiveness.

We do need to sign a striker in my opinion. But not for the first team; as a backup; a further option. The question regarding Alonso is how do we replace a first team player.

I'll put it one final way - if Alonso goes, then I'd rather spend say (if we had the moola) £30-£40m on a direct (and good enough) replacement (one of course being available), than spend it on Villa or whatever. Overall, that decision would provide the best possible improvement to the first team (which is crucial now, whatever about squad building).

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Lads,Xabi is a playmaker-therefore if he goes we HAVE to replace him with another player who can get on the ball and make things happen from deep,dictate our play and control the tempo of the game.The likes of Viera,Cambiasso,Cattermole etc. are too defensive to do this for us.

Personally,I think bar Xavi,Iniesta,Pirlo(who I dont want),Fabregas and to a lesser extent Sneijder I can't think of too many people who can do Xabi's job anywhere near as well as he can.None of those except Sneijder are available/realistic so I think we need to go for a young player who will be able to make an immediate impact but (while no means guarenteed)will have the potential to grow into a player of Xabi's standards.

I'm a fan of Mark Noble-like his attitude and style of play,but I dont think he's maybe improved as much as he should have over the last 18 months.I haven't seen enough of Javi Martinez to comment so I wont,but he's another option.I really like Michael Johnson from Citeh.He's been left out in the cold because of injury and a falling out but he'd be young,cheap,hungry and he has great vision and an eye for a pass.Another player is Miguel Veloso from Sporting Lisbon.I don't watch him too often but I remember seeing him when he first came onto the scene and he used to sit deep,win the ball back and use an amazing range of long passing.Takes an excellent free kick aswell.The fact that he doesnt start in an average Portugal midfield and was linked to Bolton doesnt fill me with confidence though!

My preference,as BobbyBenitez suggested would be Steven Deffour from Liege.Class act.

[F@ces]

"Life after Xabi Alonso: How Liverpool can fill Spaniard's void" from the Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/5825215/Life-after-Xabi-Alonso-How-Liverpool-can-fill-Spaniards-void.html)


By Rory Smith
Published: 12:05PM BST 14 Jul 2009

First, denial that he would want to leave for European football’s great circus. Then anger, at the Spanish club’s endless Marca-driven pursuit. Followed by bargaining, perhaps considering the players they may receive in exchange. That, in turn, is replaced by depression, the thought that losing their Basque heartbeat may cost Rafa Benitez’s side a shot at the title. Now, acceptance. Anfield knows Alonso wants to leave, and he has told his manager as much. It is only a matter of time.

They have come to terms with their grief. The only question that remains is how Liverpool can move on.

Benitez’s first act must be to secure the future of Javier Mascherano. The Argentinean international captain is, perhaps understandably, tempted by Barcelona, but there is a growing acceptance among his advisers that Liverpool will not part with both of their first-choice central midfielders, and it is thought Alonso’s persistence in outlining his desire to leave has made him the more likely to be sold.

Mascherano is still only 25, with at least six years of top-level football ahead of him. Liverpool would, in all probability, have to offer him a new, improved deal to persuade him to resist the lure of playing alongside his close friend Lionel Messi at Camp Nou, for the time being at least. It is not an ideal solution for a player who wishes to leave, but Benitez simply cannot countenance losing both of his central midfielders.

The greater task, though, will be replacing Alonso, Liverpool’s creative fulcrum for half a decade, adored by the Kop for his metronomic presence deep in midfield and the man who sets Liverpool’s tempo. Last season, when Alonso played badly, so did Liverpool. The worry is what happens if he does not play at all. Alternatives of his calibre are not plentiful, and, indeed, it may seem easier for Benitez to tweak his system than to attempt to plug such a gaping hole.

That could mean withdrawing Steven Gerrard into a central midfield role and bringing in an attacking midfielder – most likely Valencia’s David Silva – or a striker to slot in behind or alongside Fernando Torres, but that seems unlikely. Liverpool possess the best strike partnership in the Premier League, and breaking it up would only double Benitez’s worries.

Instead, he may seek to add an extra attacking dimension from deep. Alonso and Mascherano worked perfectly together as the former thought and the latter acted, one orchestrating, the other hunting. Their weakness, though, was goals. Alonso scored three last season – two penalties, one free kick – and Mascherano none. A goalscoring midfielder may have won Liverpool the title.

Since he will not find such a perfect foil for Mascherano – the only available option to match Alonso’s passing, crazy as it sounds, is David Beckham – he may choose to change the nature of Liverpool’s midfield, adding more cutting edge by employing Mascherano to hold and deploying Alonso’s replacement further forward.

The names mentioned so far in dispatches indicate that may be the case. Javi Martinez, of Athletic Bilbao, is a traditional box-to-box midfielder, but he remains raw. Esteban Cambiasso, of Inter Milan, would be another to add more energy to Liverpool’s play, though the best option – ruled out thus far by Benitez – would be Real Madrid’s excellent Wesley Sneijder.

The likes of Joao Moutinho, at Sporting Lisbon, and Raul Meireles, of FC Porto, would seem to fit the bill, although there is no reason to believe Benitez has considered them. Mathieu Flamini, at AC Milan, would add steel, if not creativity, to a tenacious midfield. Mark Noble is the best English option, Roma’s Alberto Aquilani and Udinese’s Gaetano D’Agostino the best Italy can offer. Marek Hamsik, at Napoli, is highly rated and plays for a club who could do with the funds.

A talented bunch, but none, of course, can match the emotional tie Liverpool fans have to Alonso. The Kop, though, will come to accept them, in time. If Benitez can produce the right replacement, stage six may yet be excitement.

[Fowler's God]

Defour has being touted. If Alonso does go it will take 10-15 million to get him much like Everton paid for Felliaini.

We just have to wait a see, personally I think Rafa is working on something that will shock the foundations of English and European football.

[scousepaddy]

Defour has being touted. If Alonso does go it will take 10-15 million to get him much like Everton paid for Felliaini.

We just have to wait a see, personally I think Rafa is working on something that will shock the foundations of English and European football.

is there any reason your thinking that ?

[RedRuairi]

"Life after Xabi Alonso: How Liverpool can fill Spaniard's void" from the Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/5825215/Life-after-Xabi-Alonso-How-Liverpool-can-fill-Spaniards-void.html)

interesting read...lets hope whoever it is, is brought in sooner rather than later and is up to the level we expect to see at Anfield

[Fowler's God]

is there any reason your thinking that ?

There was a lot of rumours about the lad at the end of last season. Villa are interested in him as well.

[vincenzo]

I personly think Lucas will play alot bigger role this season, there will be a replacement bought for Xabi alright maybe somebody like Mark Noble could make the step up to a top side, but I think Lucas will start the season as 1st choice, I really think we should be trying to get Snijder and £18m from Madrid, as it would give us alot more options.

I think thats the best option at the moment,although i saw Pellegrini on the news this morning talking up Snijder so maybe its not a definite that he'll leave.

[The Pernicious One]

There was a lot of rumours about the lad at the end of last season. Villa are interested in him as well.

Well, who is he then?

[graham]

I think Sneijder is class and would be a brilliant replacement. He's young enough, a great player and he seems like a sound enough lad. There would probably be some money left over then to add to his current kitty. Could get maybe David Silva/Juan Mata and one other. Happy Days

[scousepaddy]

There was a lot of rumours about the lad at the end of last season. Villa are interested in him as well.

is there a reason your making me guess? i havent a clue mate

[F@ces]

interesting read...lets hope whoever it is, is brought in sooner rather than later and is up to the level we expect to see at Anfield

Hope so - pray to whatever God you worship! :)

[travis]

Any of ye ever hear of this fella to replace Xabi he might be worth a punt,

Dani Agger , sweet left foot , has good vision, lots of tattoos , tough fcuker but not as tough as Martin. you'd never know

[Fowler's God]

Well, who is he then?

is there a reason your making me guess? i havent a clue mate

http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2009/06/15/steven-defour-liverpool-to-beat-aston-villa/

Video(albeit via You Tube) - was impressed by him in both legs against us last season for Liege.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=SZE2UUedbuA

[scousepaddy]

http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2009/06/15/steven-defour-liverpool-to-beat-aston-villa/

Video(albeit via You Tube) - was impressed by him in both legs against us last season for Liege.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=SZE2UUedbuA

you think signing him will rock english and european football or whatever you said?

[graham]

Any of ye ever hear of this fella to replace Xabi he might be worth a punt,

Dani Agger , sweet left foot , has good vision, lots of tattoos , tough fcuker but not as tough as Martin. you'd never know
I always thought Agger was more of a footballer than a defender. Thats a very interesting suggestion

[Fowler's God]

you think signing him will rock english and european football or whatever you said?

Didn't say he would now bud, but he was linked with us recently that is all I was saying(note: I wasn't referring to him as the one that will rock english and european football)

What I am referring in that regard is to someone to play in the attacking third of the pitch to complement the side.

[scousepaddy]

Didn't say he would now bud, but he was linked with us recently that is all I was saying(note: I wasn't referring to him as the one that will rock english and european football)

What I am referring in that regard is to someone to play in the attacking third of the pitch to complement the side.

hahahah and are you goingto tell me who that is or are you just hoping that happens? i dont know much about the lad from liege but ive heard he is quality

[Fowler's God]

hahahah and are you goingto tell me who that is or are you just hoping that happens? i dont know much about the lad from liege but ive heard he is quality

Just like getting Alonso and Torres which no one expected, I am confident you will see someone come in that will make the world stand up and take notice.

[travis]

Just like getting Alonso and Torres which no one expected, I am confident you will see someone come in that will make the world stand up and take notice.

I share your positivity mate.. watch this space. :D

[scousepaddy]

Just like getting Alonso and Torres which no one expected, I am confident you will see someone come in that will make the world stand up and take notice.


I hope to jaysus your right mate! id be happier to keep the team we have tho

[RedRuairi]

Hope so - pray to whatever God you worship! :)


On my knees for the last couple of days!!!:D

[Fowler's God]

http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2009/07/14/hernanes-rafa-to-replace-alonso-with-brilliant-brazilian/

Another rumour...

[graham]

http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2009/07/14/hernanes-rafa-to-replace-alonso-with-brilliant-brazilian/

Another rumour...
Never heard of him.

[titti]

he delivers pizzas to my house now and again

[LFC_Mark]

he delivers pizzas to my house now and again

sweet, thats an in right there half price pizzas from now on so :D

[Fowler's God]

Never heard of him.

Was in the Brazilian Olympic side in Beijing.

[titti]

u are worst than real for wanting something half price,

[eoinlfc101]

im fed up with all of this speculation no one on this site knows who it will be end of story im annoyed we are losing one of our better players but losing xabi does not mean we wont challenge or hopefully win the league it just means that rafa and our scouts have some hard work to do, im sure our scouts and rafa have back up plans for every position, so i just think we should wait and see and to be honest im now more afraid of losing masch

[sean]

Not that I see it happening, but if your looking for a player who can match Xabi's defending, passing and creativity as well as being somoeone we could realistically target there would be no need to look beyond Andrea Pirlo.

Will be called naive by some for saying this but I don't think Alonso heading to Madrid is an absolute certainty yet. Wouldn't surprise me one bit at this stage if he was in the line-up against Burnley in September.

[gav003]

Not that I see it happening, but if your looking for a player who can match Xabi's defending, passing and creativity as well as being somoeone we could realistically target there would be no need to look beyond Andrea Pirlo.

Will be called naive by some for saying this but I don't think Alonso heading to Madrid is an absolute certainty yet. Wouldn't surprise me one bit at this stage if he was in the line-up against Burnley in September.

Don't think Pirlo would have the legs for a PL midfielder.

[sean]

Don't think Pirlo would have the legs for a PL midfielder.

Who needs legs with Mascherano and Stevie either side of you :p

[bryanod]

There is a thin line between the sublime and the ridiculous. This thread crosses over plenty with some of the names touted!

[gav003]

Who needs legs with Mascherano and Stevie either side of you :p

That's a fair point, I just think he would struggle at his age also. We defo need someone of proven CL and International quality if we need to replace Xabi.

[welshy1]

i heard danny murphy is out of contract this year, im not sayin he is the perfect replacement for Xabi, but he can still cut it for 25+ games a year and his passing is still premier league standard. would be great to have him as a squad player for 2 years A La Gary Mac and could be a great tutor to the younger lads.......

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

i heard danny murphy is out of contract this year, im not sayin he is the perfect replacement for Xabi, but he can still cut it for 25+ games a year and his passing is still premier league standard. would be great to have him as a squad player for 2 years A La Gary Mac and could be a great tutor to the younger lads.......

Had the same thought this morning.Would take him back in a heartbeat but only as a squad player-deffo not as a direct replacement for Xabi.His set-pieces could be crucial.Would never happen though.

[Captain_Morgan]

Not that I see it happening, but if your looking for a player who can match Xabi's defending, passing and creativity as well as being somoeone we could realistically target there would be no need to look beyond Andrea Pirlo.

Will be called naive by some for saying this but I don't think Alonso heading to Madrid is an absolute certainty yet. Wouldn't surprise me one bit at this stage if he was in the line-up against Burnley in September.

+1 sean, im of the opinion that rafa wont let him leave til he has a transfer agreed for a replacement so it could drag on a bit yet and if rafa cant find anyone suitable then he stays simple as that, look at what o neill done last year with barry, rafa must stand firm and only sell him on his terms

[dubit10]

+1 sean, im of the opinion that rafa wont let him leave til he has a transfer agreed for a replacement so it could drag on a bit yet and if rafa cant find anyone suitable then he stays simple as that, look at what o neill done last year with barry, rafa must stand firm and only sell him on his terms

This is the key for the whole deal i'd say. It HAS to be on Rafa's terms. We can't be fu<ked over again.

[LFC_Mark]

This is the key for the whole deal i'd say. It HAS to be on Rafa's terms. We can't be fu<ked over again.

i cant see rafa letting that happen this time, he will hold out for the best possible deal, he knows how close we came last year, its just a pity xabi seems to be ignoring that an wants to leave after five years of trying to win it why leave after we have just finished a couple of points away from it i will never understand :confused:

[Juan]

Has Jimmy Tarbuck put any names forward yet?

[LFC_Mark]

Has Jimmy Tarbuck put any names forward yet?

gerry taggart :D

[fitzpatrickgary]

if alonso is to leave then we have to replace with with another midfield player rather than spending the cash on a striker
gerrard and torres are the best strike partnership in the league and moving stevie back into the heart of midfield just doesnt make sense to me
Who is good enough to replace xabi that i dont know
Sneijder is quality and if madrid offer cash plus players i think he would be a good option. Id take old horseface to as a back up striker too.Sneijder is not the same player as alonso ,his range of passing and tackling are not as strong so if he came i think we could do with adding another midfielder with defensive qualities to the squad.
Pirlo has the range of passing but his best days are behind him as are Veira s
Noble is a good player but not good enough
Defour i havent seen enough to comment

Personally id like to see alonso stay but also in rafa i trust

[megager]

The way I see it Real want alonso and want rid of Sneider, so I think a deal of Alonso for sneider and 10-15 million (at best) is workable. we pack all the aces here. End of story, if we dont want to sell, then madrid have to meet our valuation. As good as alonso is, I think an offer of 30 million plus, considering our current plight should be accepted, this represetns a profit of 20 million on a player many were happy to sell for 18 million last year (not me).

This Defour fella is meant to be amazing but I cannot comment. I still think it will be negredo that forms the makeweight in a deal for alonso, but to get both (Negredo, alonso and cash) though not ideal, would not be a disaster.

[Raven136]

The way I see it Real want alonso and want rid of Sneider, so I think a deal of Alonso for sneider and 10-15 million (at best) is workable. we pack all the aces here. End of story, if we dont want to sell, then madrid have to meet our valuation. As good as alonso is, I think an offer of 30 million plus, considering our current plight should be accepted, this represetns a profit of 20 million on a player many were happy to sell for 18 million last year (not me).

This Defour fella is meant to be amazing but I cannot comment. I still think it will be negredo that forms the makeweight in a deal for alonso, but to get both (Negredo, alonso and cash) though not ideal, would not be a disaster.

Negroda is meant to have a new deal on offer from madrid and 3 other clubs chasing him.A lot of people reckon he is the real deal.

15m and robben or sneider would be a good deal imo.

If madrid dont meet our valuation then we dont sell,its time we as a club took a leaf out of Lyons book.
Also Lucas might get to play his more natural attacking instincts with Xabi going,fully expect a big season from him and he could well be very important.

[gav003]

Think we shoiuld be asking 25m sterling minimum plus a player if Rafa is interested in any of them.

[eoinlfc101]

the mirror has us linked with a 16 million move for Aquilani.today haven seen enough of him to comment

[titti]

lads if mancity want him too it will bunt up the price ,i know he only wants madrid but if madrid see that city want him too ,it only means beter deal for us , i still would like to see rafa investing in johnston off middlesbourgh , lets hope alonso stays

[megager]

Michael Johnson of Man City? He had a curious "pelvic" problem that kept him out all of last year. I also heard he is fond of a tipple. If fit, he could be worth a gamble.

Would you consdier Deco on a free (considering his wages are probably astronomical)?

[titti]

Michael Johnson of Man City? He had a curious "pelvic" problem that kept him out all of last year. I also heard he is fond of a tipple. If fit, he could be worth a gamble.

Would you consdier Deco on a free (considering his wages are probably astronomical)?

no the youngster from middles adam johnson , u21 england international , deco would be good buy but will want too much money , i would like benjani off man city as cover for torress ,

[graham]

Deco does nothing but moan. He'd upset the apple tart

[Ron1892]

Deco does nothing but moan. He'd upset the apple tart

Agree with you totally mate..Dont rate him, never have and i wouldnt let him near the reserves being honest..

[legend24]

The way I see it Real want alonso and want rid of Sneider, so I think a deal of Alonso for sneider and 10-15 million (at best) is workable. we pack all the aces here. End of story, if we dont want to sell, then madrid have to meet our valuation. As good as alonso is, I think an offer of 30 million plus, considering our current plight should be accepted, this represetns a profit of 20 million on a player many were happy to sell for 18 million last year (not me).

i was also tinkin that we shud def look to take a player plus money! its gonna be hard to find a quality player to replace xabi,but i remember not so long ago madrid had sneijder in the 50mill bracket! hes lethal on set pieces too,an if he can find his form again he wud be ideal playmaker! plus wi some cash as well we could move for another forward! i wud consider taking robben as well, hes very creative from wide,but we would need to get rid of either babel or albert to accomadate cos no point in having 3 left widemen

[stevieg05]

Deco cant make the chelsea team so why wud he be good enuf for us? And benjani......are u for real? We aren't too bad up front with kuyt, ngog and babbel as back up for torres. If alonso leaves we are screwed tho, especially if it means lucas playin even more games!!! A replacement from abroad wud prob take time to adapt to the pace and physicality of the premiership, dont think we can afford to give them time. Every point will b vital this year. Im prayin alonso stays, he's one of our most important players......and i put €120 on him at the start of the summer @5/6 that he wud still b a liverpool player by the start of next season :-(

[legend24]

Im prayin alonso stays, he's one of our most important players......and i put €120 on him at the start of the summer @5/6 that he wud still b a liverpool player by the start of next season :-(

good luck with that :eek:
def would stay away from deco too,ur rite there! just cant hack it at premier pace!

[bono]

I think we need to look in the premiership for a player to replace him someone who would be used to the faster paced,tougher tackling sides of the game S.Parker, N.kranjcar or M.Noble Maybe.
I would`nt like to see Gerrad pushed back he gets more goals up front imo

[JMurray#8]

It would be a hugh step down if we were to let alonso go and replace him with the likes of scott parker, niko kranjcar or mark noble, none of which are good enough to get into our starting 11. We need to replace xabi with someone more than just a squad player if he leaves.

[graham]

It would be a hugh step down if we were to let alonso go and replace him with the likes of scott parker, niko kranjcar or mark noble, none of which are good enough to get into our starting 11. We need to replace xabi with someone more than just a squad player if he leaves.

I agree. If he does go, I reckon it will be Javi Martinez, Id be happy with him or Sneijder

[mascherIANO]

says today that aqualiani off roma will be xabis replacement.

what do youse all think?

[Paddser]

says today that aqualiani off roma will be xabis replacement.

what do youse all think?

:confused:

[bono]

It would be a hugh step down if we were to let alonso go and replace him with the likes of scott parker, niko kranjcar or mark noble, none of which are good enough to get into our starting 11. We need to replace xabi with someone more than just a squad player if he leaves.

Who then?

In fairness there is`nt anyone out there who`s as good as him at what he does my own choice would be Pirlo but time is against us in finding a replacement.
Anyone coming in from anywhere outside the premiership is going to need time to settle in to the style of the premiership we`ve seen it time & time again.

Rafa should keep him for another season & let him get on with it.

[megager]

Ive said it before but the only player I think could make a seamless transition if alonso goes is Fabregas. No chance tho. I agree on peoples opinions of Deco. However, if alonso goes it is likely we will change the way we play. Maybe Cattermole in, Lucas getting more time and maybe Spearing, Negredo in as part of Alonso deal and then Silva. This would mean Rafa would change tactics a bit in that we would play more from the wings than through the middle. Or he could sell Alonso and just buy Aguero. Dont care what people say, Aguero would be a super signing.

I dont think Alonso going will make too much differnece against weaker teams as if we spend wisely, Silva etc may provide the ammunition we need to break them down. Alonso dominates the big games though. He destroyed Chelsea and United last year, and it is in those games, where we dominated possession we will miss him.

If he goes I dont think rafa will go like for like. Expect a system change. If alonso goes it will hamper our chances sure, but United are weaker (especially if they dont buy anyone else, which I doubt), Chelsea have IMO a dodgy manager and Man city are like dolly Parton, top heavy, but their backs will give way.

[vincenzo]

It would be a hugh step down if we were to let alonso go and replace him with the likes of scott parker, niko kranjcar or mark noble, none of which are good enough to get into our starting 11. We need to replace xabi with someone more than just a squad player if he leaves.

Agreed, I'd have Danny Murphy back before any of them.

[MutantNinjaSkrtel]

Hernanes.He's been brilliant the 3 or so times i've seen him.Give him a google.

[graham]

Ive said it before but the only player I think could make a seamless transition if alonso goes is Fabregas. No chance tho. I agree on peoples opinions of Deco. However, if alonso goes it is likely we will change the way we play. Maybe Cattermole in, Lucas getting more time and maybe Spearing, Negredo in as part of Alonso deal and then Silva. This would mean Rafa would change tactics a bit in that we would play more from the wings than through the middle. Or he could sell Alonso and just buy Aguero. Dont care what people say, Aguero would be a super signing.

I dont think Alonso going will make too much differnece against weaker teams as if we spend wisely, Silva etc may provide the ammunition we need to break them down. Alonso dominates the big games though. He destroyed Chelsea and United last year, and it is in those games, where we dominated possession we will miss him.

If he goes I dont think rafa will go like for like. Expect a system change. If alonso goes it will hamper our chances sure, but United are weaker (especially if they dont buy anyone else, which I doubt), Chelsea have IMO a dodgy manager and Man city are like dolly Parton, top heavy, but their backs will give way.
I agree. I think Ferguson is gonna buy Aguero on the final day of the transfer window if we don't. He'll be their main man next season. It's just a feeling I have

[megager]

I agree. I think Ferguson is gonna buy Aguero on the final day of the transfer window if we don't. He'll be their main man next season. It's just a feeling I have

Im certain he will too. To see him in a United shirt would kill me

[graham]

Im certain he will too. To see him in a United shirt would kill me

+1

[fermoyred80]

Who then?

In fairness there is`nt anyone out there who`s as good as him at what he does my own choice would be Pirlo but time is against us in finding a replacement.
Anyone coming in from anywhere outside the premiership is going to need time to settle in to the style of the premiership we`ve seen it time & time again.

Rafa should keep him for another season & let him get on with it.

Who says times against us? For all we know Rafa has someone lined up already and just waiting for madrid to pay what he wants. None of us know and this guessing of replacements is getting boring with a fair few strange suggestions been mentioned.

[bono]

Who says times against us? For all we know Rafa has someone lined up already and just waiting for madrid to pay what he wants. None of us know and this guessing of replacements is getting boring with a fair few strange suggestions been mentioned.

Only time will tell if any of us on here is right or not.

Hope your right about Rafa having someone lined up if Xabi goes & tbh i`m bored too.

[trucker]

Negroda is meant to have a new deal on offer from madrid and 3 other clubs chasing him.A lot of people reckon he is the real deal.

15m and robben or sneider would be a good deal imo.
If madrid dont meet our valuation then we dont sell,its time we as a club took a leaf out of Lyons book.
Also Lucas might get to play his more natural attacking instincts with Xabi going,fully expect a big season from him and he could well be very important.

Graham Hunter was on radio today, he said we've refused £15m and Snijder, Rafa wants the cash as he has targets.

[graham]

Graham Hunter was on radio today, he said we've refused £15m and Snijder, Rafa wants the cash as he has targets.

If thats true then I pray to God he has some special targets. £15 + Sneijder isn't a bad offer

[legend24]

If thats true then I pray to God he has some special targets. £15 + Sneijder isn't a bad offer
thats a good deal imo who else is there out der thats of much better quality that we can afford? arteta wud be good signing,but would cost alot from that lot!

[GaryMc]

thats a good deal imo who else is there out der thats of much better quality that we can afford? arteta wud be good signing,but would cost alot from that lot!

Sorry man, Arteta is not even an International and does not play in same position. Decent squad player at best.

[revolver87]

scott parker is a quality player.. proper tough tackler.. could do a lot worse.. Not saying much but everytime he played for newcastle or west ham he stood out.. Never really got a fair shot at chelsea.. not sure but think another guy from standard leige looks quality.Think his name is defour .. They gave us a right going over last year for the cl qualifiers and he was quality.. Actually felt sorry for them after 2 legs.. On looking at the cl afterwards they were better than a lot of sides and were hard done by not making it..

[trucker]

thats a good deal imo who else is there out der thats of much better quality that we can afford? arteta wud be good signing,but would cost alot from that lot!

Have to say I never really rated him when he played in the middle seems to do ok for that lot when playing on the right though.

[robbie st leger]

scott parker is a quality player.. proper tough tackler.. could do a lot worse.. Not saying much but everytime he played for newcastle or west ham he stood out.. Never really got a fair shot at chelsea.. not sure but think another guy from standard leige looks quality.Think his name is defour .. They gave us a right going over last year for the cl qualifiers and he was quality.. Actually felt sorry for them after 2 legs.. On looking at the cl afterwards they were better than a lot of sides and were hard done by not making it..

playing at his correct level mid table team - he is a crab - passes sideways and backwards need to think bigger than that i reckon

[bryanod]

Martinez or Defour.

With Silva or Hamsik as an added bonus in the attacking third from the leftovers.

Hope we hold out for £30million though, or else make him hand in a transfer request if we have to accept less.

[graham]

thats a good deal imo who else is there out der thats of much better quality that we can afford? arteta wud be good signing,but would cost alot from that lot!
I doubt they'd let Arteta go to Liverpool. I don't think money is an issue as such in this case

[eoinlfc101]

lads what would yous make of danny murphy coming back it could have the same reaction as gary mac arriving and for big games against the big 4 he would definitly be up for the challenge now i know it will prob never happen and hes fullhams top man but he could be got for around 3 million and rotating him with spearing and lucas will allow the kids to matue into finer players,now before people start giving out this remember its only a suggestion,i for one would love to see him back because he plays with committment and id rather he wore our number 10 to voronin

[graham]

I thought Spearing ran the show last night. I'd love to see him get a run out next season in CM. He's always impressed when given his chance in the first team

[eoinlfc101]

i tauht he was very impressive as well i hope he does as well but is he a bit small for cm

[graham]

i tauht he was very impressive as well i hope he does as well but is he a bit small for cm

I think his smallness and low centre of gravity are what make him what he is. I don't think he's knocked over too easily

[megager]

I thought Spearing ran the show last night. I'd love to see him get a run out next season in CM. He's always impressed when given his chance in the first team

He was fair, but I still think he gives the ball away too much. He will imrpove though

[SUPERFAN]

I thought Spearing ran the show last night. I'd love to see him get a run out next season in CM. He's always impressed when given his chance in the first team

i was watching the '84 european cup final yesterday and it reminded me just how good a player sammy lee was.he's the player spearing reminds me of the most.he can only be a good influence on spearing and if he keeps improving he could eventually make the breakthrough...

[eoinlfc101]

in a nutshell our remaining budget is about 15 million that includes money left from robbie keane,and rafa has also indicated that he had cash remaining withoiut selling also hopefully the 30 million for xabi would leave us with 45 so lets break it down to where this can be best spent:
DANNY MURPHY:3 MILLION
DAVID SILVA:22.5 MILLION
JAVI MARTINEZ:15 MILLION
TOTAL 40.5 MILLION
4.5 REMAINING
SELL DOSSENA 4 MILLION
VORONIN 3 MILLION
BABEL 12 MILLION
ARBELOA 6 MILLION
REMAINING 25 MILLION
I WOULD LOVE AGUERO VILLA AND THE LIKE BUT THIS WONT HAPPEN
WHAT IS LIKELY
TUNCAY 4 MILLION
A LEFT BACK 5 MILLION
NOW WE ARE LEFT WITH 16 MILLION ON A STRIKER
POSSIBLE PLAYERS:
NEGREDO 11 MILLION
CROUCH 14 MILLION
BENT 8 MILLION
JONES 15 MILLION
so i believe there can be many players to replace xabi lets see how it unfolds

[graham]

in a nutshell our remaining budget is about 15 million that includes money left from robbie keane
Where are you getting this from?

[eegorbishcan]

who does aleft back play for? is he any use?

[megager]

in a nutshell our remaining budget is about 15 million that includes money left from robbie keane

I think that was used to fund Johnson deal, I could be wrong tho. I reckon we have 0 budget now, any funds will be from player sales, ie whatever we get for alonso

[fermoyred80]

I think that was used to fund Johnson deal, I could be wrong tho. I reckon we have 0 budget now, any funds will be from player sales, ie whatever we get for alonso

Did Rafa not say a few weeks back that we can sign one more player without selling anyone?

[Niall]

Did Rafa not say a few weeks back that we can sign one more player without selling anyone?

Correct he did indeed.

[Niall]

in a nutshell our remaining budget is about 15 million that includes money left from robbie keane,and rafa has also indicated that he had cash remaining withoiut selling also hopefully the 30 million for xabi would leave us with 45 so lets break it down to where this can be best spent:
DANNY MURPHY:3 MILLION
DAVID SILVA:22.5 MILLION
JAVI MARTINEZ:15 MILLION
TOTAL 40.5 MILLION
4.5 REMAINING
SELL DOSSENA 4 MILLION
VORONIN 3 MILLION
BABEL 12 MILLION
ARBELOA 6 MILLION
REMAINING 25 MILLION
I WOULD LOVE AGUERO VILLA AND THE LIKE BUT THIS WONT HAPPEN
WHAT IS LIKELY
TUNCAY 4 MILLION
A LEFT BACK 5 MILLION
NOW WE ARE LEFT WITH 16 MILLION ON A STRIKER
POSSIBLE PLAYERS:
NEGREDO 11 MILLION
CROUCH 14 MILLION
BENT 8 MILLION
JONES 15 MILLION
so i believe there can be many players to replace xabi lets see how it unfolds

Take into account the Yanks will use some of the cash from the Alonso sale to pay off certain debts.

[eoinlfc101]

yes rafa did and its 15 million so it is

[megager]

Did Rafa not say a few weeks back that we can sign one more player without selling anyone?

true, but remember we were linked with Distin so maybe we have 1-2 million. Really dont think there is a warchest though

[graham]

I'm totally bored.... I've thought all along he has £35 or so.. £15 from Keane and his usual £20. I think he agreed some transfer funds when signing his contract regardless of the financial situation of the club that the media went wild with. He said we have enough money for one more player but I don't believe anything he says about enough for one player or ten players. He's far too clever to give that type of information away. So I reckon he spent £10 in cash for Johnson, which leaves him with about £25 + his bits and bobs from the likes of the Leto deal and that type of stuff. So my best guess is that he has about £30. I try to be optimistic :)

[dking]

who does aleft back play for? is he any use?

Class.
He's so good, his parents even called him after the position he plays !!!



I hate putting peoples suggestions down ,when I dont have one myself ....BUT
Danny Murphy is being mentioned and as much as I like Dan I think that would be a panic buy . He has improved/matured but he's too static and your granny could go past him , Masch would have twice as much work to do (if he's still here :eek:) to protect the back four.

[D-Red]

Would agree with DKing (print that out and frame it!! :D )

no point bringing back Danny. Id rather give spearing a shot at it

[fermoyred80]

Did I read it somewhere that Rafa origionaly got rid of Murphy to try and break the hold the senior players had over the team at the end of GH time. I doubt he'd take him back plus IMO its a step back.

[dking]

Would agree with DKing (print that out and frame it!! :D )

no point bringing back Danny. Id rather give spearing a shot at it

on the wall already. :)

[KK07]

Beckham anyone?

As a stop gap.

He can play CM,pass as well as Alonso,better on set pieces,as mobile as Alonso and the marketing value alone makes sense.

[fermoyred80]

Beckham anyone?

As a stop gap.

He can play CM,pass as well as Alonso,better on set pieces,as mobile as Alonso and the marketing value alone makes sense.

and you can then put this up at Melwood:

777

That muppet has more baggage than his missus and its nothing but a media circus when he is about. No thanks

[eoinlfc101]

well aquiulianis agent has rubbihed claims he will go to liverppool just on skysports plus rafa has said voronin will get a chance to fight for a place within the squad

[armaghred]

well aquiulianis agent has rubbihed claims he will go to liverppool just on skysports plus rafa has said voronin will get a chance to fight for a place within the squad


Who?what?

[dking]

well aquiulianis agent has rubbihed claims he will go to liverppool just on skysports plus rafa has said voronin will get a chance to fight for a place within the squad


Who?what?

:D

you left out
Where ?

[robbie st leger]

Beckham anyone?

As a stop gap.

He can play CM,pass as well as Alonso,better on set pieces,as mobile as Alonso and the marketing value alone makes sense.

sweet jesus no -
when has he played effectively as CM???

[Phil!]

11.36 Roma are willing to consider offers for Italian playmaker Alberto Aquilani, who is reported to be on the radar of Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez.

SkySports.com

[LFC_Mark]

11.36 Roma are willing to consider offers for Italian playmaker Alberto Aquilani, who is reported to be on the radar of Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez.

SkySports.com

didnt his agent say he was goin nowhere yesterday :confused:, the sooner the better this is all finished

[Phil!]

didnt his agent say he was goin nowhere yesterday :confused:, the sooner the better this is all finished

Ya know the way it is...hard to know whats happenin til deal done and dusted