Liverpool vrs Everton [Archive]

Beano

09-10-2007, 12:11 PM

Pimboli

09-10-2007, 12:54 PM

we really need to come through the internationals with a clean bill of health and hit the blue noses hard

hopefully Alonso will be back to tidy up the midfield

I'd welcome Dagger back too - really suprised with both the spurs goals - Hypia been beaten to a header on both occasions.

What do you guys think about throwing Stevie out on the right (dropping pennant) and playing alonso and Masher in the middle ??

To be fair for all his pace problems Hyppia is commanding in the air so im 100% certain Agger wouldnt have done any better and the goals were conceeded because of Keane being lost in the box twice which wasnt Hyppias fault.

Id agree with your midfield selection, and you never know, the only thing we can be certain of with Rafa selections is that our team will never match his one that gets put out

trevufc

09-10-2007, 03:54 PM

we really need to come through the internationals with a clean bill of health and hit the blue noses hard

hopefully Alonso will be back to tidy up the midfield

I'd welcome Dagger back too - really suprised with both the spurs goals - Hypia been beaten to a header on both occasions.

What do you guys think about throwing Stevie out on the right (dropping pennant) and playing alonso and Masher in the middle ??

agger takes the ball better and distributes it better than sami. that said sami has done well since he came in.

and yep time for stevie to hit the right midfield spot...the only problem would be alonsos match sharpness.

Steve

09-10-2007, 04:51 PM

I 'm waiting for a great result at goodison.

Beano

09-10-2007, 05:38 PM

To be fair for all his pace problems Hyppia is commanding in the air so im 100% certain Agger wouldnt have done any better and the goals were conceeded because of Keane being lost in the box twice which wasnt Hyppias fault.

Id agree with your midfield selection, and you never know, the only thing we can be certain of with Rafa selections is that our team will never match his one that gets put out

I agree with your comment - i wasn't slating Hypia
He commands the high balls in every game - but as i said i was suprised Berb beat him to both headers to set up Keane who did his usual trick against us.

Fowler's God

09-10-2007, 08:18 PM

Hyypia is superb when the ball is played in front of him which is why it was uncharacteristic that the 2 goals we conceded on sunday were they way they were. Thats why Rafa was so annoyed as he understands where Sami's strengths are.

As for the Everton game a must win. Good news that Alonso and the Dagger could be back. Major boost for us if that comes to fruition.

carramagic

11-10-2007, 01:07 PM

The problem with the spurs goals were that both balls were played towards Carragher, Hyppia moved across to head them and Robbie was left free. Carragher should have been going for both of those headers. Regardless of who won the headers the defending of the 2nd ball was awful

Wicklow Red

11-10-2007, 05:26 PM

in fairness to Sami, Berbatov is a quality striker, very intelligent and good in the air, i'd question what Finnan and Carragher were at for the goals but you only have to think back to Goodison last year when the reliables had a 'mare but then went on a great run, our defence is quality and will be alright again, i predict we'll pip the Toffees 1-0 with a Fernando special :)

Kopite

12-10-2007, 02:30 PM

I just hope they dont out battle us and knick a win. Arteta is the real quality they have, he could conjure something, jesus they are always a big game but if we are having designs on the title we have to win it.

Trevinem

16-10-2007, 11:57 AM

I think a win against the blues would do a lot for confidence and at the moment we need it! I reckon 2-1 to the Reds. Kuyt and Gerrard

sean

16-10-2007, 01:26 PM

A result akin to the 3-0 win 2 years back when Crouch was in great form would be nice. To be honest I'd take any kind of win out of this game to get our season right back on track.

RedMurph08

16-10-2007, 01:57 PM

I really think this game could kick us on again. Agger and Alonso back, Torres eager to be fit, its gonna be one big week for LFC! YNWA!

Terry Conlon

16-10-2007, 08:17 PM

I have a funny feelin that we are going to batter the blue sh**e on saturday. "There only a small club" anyway!

maloneavic

16-10-2007, 08:49 PM

depends on what team he picks, is agger back? hyppia would get destroyed out there, sissiko sholdnt start either.

harrybosch

17-10-2007, 01:10 PM

i really think that we need a good convincing win to focus the minds again. Cmon the redmen

redeagle

17-10-2007, 07:37 PM

Been holding off on giving my opinion for ages.

I think the return of alonso is great but will he last the full 90? Think gerrard had a bad game with engeeerland tonight..seems somewhat out of form.

Hopefully torres will be fit but non of that matters if we cant muster up a good performance in the cm area.

COME ON!!!!

Kopite

17-10-2007, 09:42 PM

COME ON REDS, I wish it was friday night

reder

18-10-2007, 10:07 AM

I will say no more other than 'Remember this'.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51F37SG1GML._SS500_.jpg

Liverpool-law

18-10-2007, 01:40 PM

Does anyone actually enjoy these bl**dy Derbies??!! Unless we're about 3-0 up I'm just sick watching it, same with the Scum games! But nothing is better than beating them on their home turf!;)

trucker

18-10-2007, 02:52 PM

I'd say Rafa is gona play 4-5-1 saturday as the blueshite usually just come for a battle, Gerrard behind Torres could be the way to go with masch and alonso behind Babel and Yossi on the wings, saying that as much as I hope he plays masch is on his way back from south america so Rafa might leave him out with our trip to Turkey midweek.

redeagle

19-10-2007, 07:58 AM

oohh...so near.. can't wait for it.

Jockser

19-10-2007, 12:07 PM

cmon redmen!!!

Aido82

19-10-2007, 08:45 PM

tight to call but 2-1 to the reds

tack

20-10-2007, 10:31 AM

any teamnews as of yet?

StevieGisMyIdol

20-10-2007, 10:44 AM

gonna ask d same question

Aido82

20-10-2007, 10:56 AM

Fernando Torres misses out on this afternoon's Merseyside derby at Goodison, with Andriy Voronin partnering Dirk Kuyt up front for Liverpool.
Neither Torres or Xabi Alonso are in the squad to face Everton at 12.45pm despite hopes earlier in the week they might be fit.

The team in full is:
Reina,
Riise, Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher,
Benayoun, Mascherano, Gerrard, Sissoko,
Voronin, Kuyt.

Subs: Itandje, Crouch, Pennant, Babel, Lucas.

Strange one, lets hope it pays off.

Momo and Masch is the centre ???

BornaRedLass

20-10-2007, 12:28 PM

How the hell did Hyypia score that? Need to get back into this now before the break.

YNWA

20-10-2007, 12:37 PM

tight to call but 2-1 to the reds

Lets hope your right!;)

Have to say that was an hilarious og by Sami!

Westlake

20-10-2007, 01:00 PM

Penalty!

Westlake

20-10-2007, 01:01 PM

Kuyt scores, one one! His first goal of the League season!

BornaRedLass

20-10-2007, 01:01 PM

On our way to that 2-1 prediction :D

Westlake

20-10-2007, 01:21 PM

WTF? Stevie off, Rafa's quickly climbing the ladder to becoming the best comedian on TV

Westlake

20-10-2007, 01:39 PM

C'mon, Kuyt with his second penalty! 2 -1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BornaRedLass

20-10-2007, 01:39 PM

GO ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2-1 spot on :)

YNWA

20-10-2007, 01:40 PM

tight to call but 2-1 to the reds

:D

Aido82

20-10-2007, 01:42 PM

tight to call but 2-1 to the reds

Happy days

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

JOE

20-10-2007, 01:42 PM

We were very luck with those penalties...Everton could have had one at the end...

carragherisgod

20-10-2007, 01:43 PM

Phew

BornaRedLass

20-10-2007, 01:43 PM

Yeah did look like Jamie had a nice hug on lescott but so what. Decisions go against us all the time. yayyyyyyy :)

JMurray#8

20-10-2007, 01:50 PM

Sheer Delight!!! Bring on the Gunners.

stevieg

20-10-2007, 01:50 PM

Happy Days

Thought we robbed it - swings and roundabouts i guess (Chelsea game)

Lescott should have had two peno's imo.

Defenders shouldnt be allowed put their arms near the opposition player in box.

Anyway great 3 points, really needed it.

Rafa is a happy man after subbing Gerrard!

SUPERFAN

20-10-2007, 01:51 PM

a 2-1 win over the Bitters shouldn't feel like this.
am i the only one that doesn't even feel like celebrating after that?

Dub13

20-10-2007, 01:59 PM

a 2-1 win over the Bitters shouldn't feel like this.
am i the only one that doesn't even feel like celebrating after that?

No I am the same,we need a major improvement to even keep in touch at the top never mind win it outright.

redeagle

20-10-2007, 02:02 PM

difficult match really..especially after a international break on which most of our players were away on duty.

Think we need alonso back asap get our passing game going.

Though lescott fell over a little easy at the end..didnt look as if carra did that much to him.

I think we deserved it..

1 big match down.. two more to go.

Westlake

20-10-2007, 02:03 PM

Yeah did look like Jamie had a nice hug on lescott but so what. Decisions go against us all the time. yayyyyyyy :)

Chelsea... :mad:

Hopefully Bolton will beat Arsenal and next week we should have Alonso and Torres!

SUPERFAN

20-10-2007, 02:04 PM

Rafa said the reason he took Gerrard off was because "we were playing with the Heart and sometimes you need to play with the Brain."
what the xxxx was Momo Sissoko playing with?how he lasted 85 Mins and Gerrard was taken off is beyond me.
i really like Rafa and don't want to say a bad Word about him but he was SO close to it today.
if Lpool had been 2-1 up when he took Gerrard off it would've been a massive gamble but to take him off at 1-1 when they're chasing a winner against 10 Men is playing Russian Roulette in my opinion........

Gerrard85

20-10-2007, 02:05 PM

cant believe we nicked it! thought we deserved it towards the end but still cant get over gerrard coming off, doubt he has either! fair play to kuyt. not my favourate player but stepped up cooley to slot the penos away. glad to see neville get the red as well, nice 3 match ban coming up for him! lucas looks like a class act. well done to the lads. 3 points at the end of the day, great stuff!

marko

20-10-2007, 02:05 PM

Phew!! 3 points in the bag

Did we deserve it? Not sure but its about time we got some luck,have to use this result to kick on now

Garrett

20-10-2007, 02:07 PM

No I am the same,we need a major improvement to even keep in touch at the top never mind win it outright.

Agree, big time ...

typical us at this time of year mind you, if you look back over the past 3-4 years we've always been poor around Sept-Oct time of year.

I can't understand how Rafa felt it was appropriate to take Gerard off, playing with his heart rather than his brain ? ... I'd have thought we'd want all our players playing with their hearts in a derby Rafa ?

And as for Sisoko .... bring on the January transfer window quick and lets be rid of him please.

Very happy to see neville sent off I must admit, serve him right for being a former Manc alone :D

I felt for poor old Sammy today, awful OG for him, particularly after he'd clearly been working very hard to get his place back with age now going against him, lack of pace etc. Sadly, this is the faith of all great players though, they get old and end up looking bad on occassion as a result of lack of pace etc, before eventually retiring. I'd say Sammy could be a great defender coach for us in years ahead.

2 well taken shots by Kuyt, have to say I was pleased with his confidence etc and particularly for a derby match to get 2 penos scored was great going. I seriously think some of us underrate this lad, I'm a fan !

redeagle

20-10-2007, 02:17 PM

think you have to put in context.

momo and masch in the as a cm pairing is pretty rigid..

I think rafa got in right in taking off gerrard, hes played two international games in quick succession and then has a derby match..

he also doesnt track back as much as the other two..it was a compromise and we got away with it in the end..but deservingly so. Think lucas looked good and composed and its a shame he didnt get his goal.

everton just blasted the ball long during the second half.

IMO..its a great result after a dreaded international break...

Garrett

20-10-2007, 02:23 PM

Hi mate,

While I agree with you about Lucas coming on looking good, Im sorry I can't agree with you on Sisoko, the guy has useless ball control, is a bad shot taker etc. Not LFC quality imho.

I've mixed views on the general arguement about resting players etc, personally I think they are on a high when they are playing well, winning matches etc and as such, keep playing well and don't need to be rested too often. Lets face it, the get paid a lot of dosh to be fit etc.

...Mind you, based on Rafa's comments I don't think this was the reason for Rafa substituting Gerard, I think Rafa felt Gerard was playing with too much emotion and perhaps was not focused on tactics enough or something. I'm not sure he was right, I'd feel in derby games you need emotion to be running high and Gerard is a game winner, someone we need on the pitch (certainly did today).

Anyway, in the end we've gotten away with it today, but I really feel we were lucky and relying on penos to win games is not the way to be going.... hence, I say we were lucky today, but I'm sure not complaining about it ;)

James

20-10-2007, 02:32 PM

Dreadful performance and its hard to take anything out of the game. ......... except the 3 points that is :D

Aido82

20-10-2007, 02:36 PM

i thought that sissoko proved once again, he is not up to the class of a liverpool player,he was dog muck today and has been since we got him, cant wait for alonso to come back

galwayred

20-10-2007, 02:45 PM

a 2-1 win over the Bitters shouldn't feel like this.
am i the only one that doesn't even feel like celebrating after that?

I know a load of things were bad about that game today, which I might have a think about when i settle down a bit, but at the moment I am absolutely buzzing, that was fing great! :D:D:D

Ifithadntabeenfor blah blah blah

Thing is, they can't say refs favour big players and big clubs because they are such a massive club themselves!

marathonman

20-10-2007, 03:00 PM

That was ridiculous.the space that the bluenoses gave us up front was unbelievable and no one up front had a clue.Kuyt runs his heart out but never will make a striker.everton were very poor thankfully.
i thought when he took of stevie that he must have another job lined up and was looking for the sack and some compo.
i cant make head nor tail of his decisions anymore.there is no improvement and pako or no pako we need a coach to get this team to play as a unit and not the shambles that we are currently watching.
win anything,playing like that we will be lucky to qualify for champions league.
very frustated.

REDHEART

20-10-2007, 03:40 PM

would like to see the highlights to see everton's 2 shouts for peno's.looks like they were robbed tbh.did'nt like what stevie g done to get the lad sent off.and was it a peno.

personally i think we tried to get the ball down and play.broke down a little too easily in the final third tho after some decent approach play.game got a bit scrapy in the first half for about 15 mins.everton as usual looked dangerous from set peices and high balls into the box.

i actually trusted rafa when he took stevie g off.got a bit of a shock tbh but i gave him the benefit of the doubt.and if you analyise it,it allowed Mascherano to move into the middle and dictate the game from then on which he done imo.we showed some decent patience just did'nt take the chances we created which was a worry.what was sissoko up to with his effort.:eek:

anyways from 1-0 down at the half we will take it.and yes a vast improvement needed.:p

Yoko

20-10-2007, 03:55 PM

We beat the bitters. We got a bit of luck. Both of these things have been a while coming

Fowler's God

20-10-2007, 05:08 PM

We missed Torres badly our finishing was woeful. Sissoko was awful again. Rafa could have had questions to answer if we didn't win, dragging Gerrard off was a mistake, Sissoko should have been dragged off at Half Time. Delighted by the performance of Lucas Leiva when he came on was very impressive made a good impression on his derby debut and was unlucky to not score only for Phillis Neville.. Poor ould Crouchie is never going to get a game

Jockser

20-10-2007, 05:42 PM

i almost couldnt celebrate this as i was very disappointed with some decisons. I was screaming for pennant to come on for sissoko the whole second half and then gerrard comes off and momo stays on, to keep more possession according to Rafa. I was baffled!!!
I was impressed with Lucas though. Kept things simple and was solid in the tackles........note i said almost above!! :D

marathonman

20-10-2007, 06:27 PM

[QUOTE=avidmerrion;13134]Rafa said the reason he took Gerrard off was because "we were playing with the Heart and sometimes you need to play with the Brain."
Never heard such rubbish.thats the problem with footballers they dont have the passion and heart that he has.
Wonder he didnt take off Carragher as well and put Kewell on.
baffled.
sorry ,I forgot Pennants got a great brain.:confused:

SUPERFAN

20-10-2007, 07:25 PM

Yoko

20-10-2007, 07:53 PM

they are ace

sean

20-10-2007, 07:56 PM

on a lighter note,just nicked these 2 Chants off RAWK....

Follow, follow, follow
Will you follow the shite to tesco
Kenwright said lets go and move in with tesco
And its out of the city you ggooooooooo
----------------------------------------------------
The City's all ours,
The City's all ours,
XXXX off to Kirkby,
The City's all ours

Their class enough they are!

As for the game today, did we get away with that or what. So close to not getting away with it but thems the breaks I suppose. Had we not gotten that spotter at the end Rafa would have been lambasted left, right and centre. But we did, so he won't, and I'm happy :)

SUPERFAN

20-10-2007, 08:09 PM

Had we not gotten that spotter at the end Rafa would have been lambasted left, right and centre. But we did, so he won't, and I'm happy :)

i'm obviously happy with the result too,mainly because,as you said,Rafa would've been slaughtered.he took a massive gamble and got the rub of the green.
would Rafa have made that comment about playing with the Heart and not the Brain if they hadn't won?i don't think so.
no one knows what goes on in Rafa's Head at the best of times but i've been trying to read in to that Statement all Day and can't come up with anything(if i was Steven Gerrard i'd certainly be trying to read in to it).he could've easily just said he took Gerrard off cos he'd been away with England and needed a rest but he chose to make that Statement.
there's a method to his madness,what exactly it is i do not know.

galwayred

20-10-2007, 10:22 PM

i'm obviously happy with the result too,mainly because,as you said,Rafa would've been slaughtered.he took a massive gamble and got the rub of the green.
would Rafa have made that comment about playing with the Heart and not the Brain if they hadn't won?i don't think so.
no one knows what goes on in Rafa's Head at the best of times but i've been trying to read in to that Statement all Day and can't come up with anything(if i was Steven Gerrard i'd certainly be trying to read in to it).he could've easily just said he took Gerrard off cos he'd been away with England and needed a rest but he chose to make that Statement.
[B]there's a method to his madness,what exactly it is i do not know.

I'm actually beginning to doubt there is tbh

Anyway cheer up a bit lads, we just beat the bitters, after an international break. Rewind 12 hours I'd say not 1 person on here would have complained about playing averagely and coming away with an injury-time winner.

Yes it was messy, but it was a Derby, they generally are. It sets us up nicely for our next few games, if we had dropped 2/3 points today it would have been a huge blow, especially with everyone around us winning.

tosullivan

21-10-2007, 07:26 AM

You'd think being an ex manc he wouldn't be gifting us with so many goals but didn't he score a cracking og header a few seasons ago at Woodison?

dubit10

21-10-2007, 11:05 AM

Nice picture:DDelighted with yesterdays result.Team played rubbish but we are unbeaten and only 6 points off the top:)so you know what they say about championship winning teams playing badly and winning.Papers are full of doom and gloom about Rafa today as usual.Now murren is gone from Chelsea they will hound him until we prove them wrong and win the league.Beggers belief really.Makes 3 subs yesterday Babel,pennent and lucas and lord and behold babel passes to pennent then to lucas and he would of scored if not for neville southall(phil neville) fantastic save.Funny how the papers and T.V . left that out of there reports.Best thing of all is with the injurys we have we are still in touch with the leaders.I for one have questioned rafa's tactics in the past but the man has said all year that if we are in touch by the new year then we are in with a shout.Lets not forget that his game was an early kick off after an international break which we have usually lost in the past.Momo apart i think he got it right yesterday despite everybody getting in a huff over the gerrard subbing.Gerrard is NOT bigger than the club.Role on Arsenal

SUPERFAN

21-10-2007, 11:08 AM

neville southall(phil neville)

:D:D

Jockser

21-10-2007, 11:46 AM

what was the song the blue noses were singing about Gerrard to the tune of 5 times?

Aido82

21-10-2007, 11:48 AM

It would have been funny if the liverpool fans started chanting "Englands No1, Englands, Englands No1" to phillis as he left the pitch

SUPERFAN

21-10-2007, 01:35 PM

what was the song the blue noses were singing about Gerrard to the tune of 5 times?

"The Baby's not yours."

flashm

21-10-2007, 03:32 PM

its always great beating them but this negativity of rafas is doing my head in, the bitters went down to ten men and still played two up front which rafa could learn from, just go for the throat man and stop letting sh*te teams look good..

tosullivan

21-10-2007, 04:36 PM

It would have been funny if the liverpool fans started chanting "Englands No1, Englands, Englands No1" to phillis as he left the pitch

excellent :D

Alex Raisbeck

21-10-2007, 04:40 PM

Should we be getting so carried away over beating a small club??
O feck it lets be over the moon about this one.

REDHEART

21-10-2007, 07:06 PM

"The Baby's not yours."

maybe partly why rafa took him off early:confused:

pidd5

21-10-2007, 07:32 PM

was thinkig that myself yesterday.i cant come up with anything else cos he was acually starting to get into before he took him off.it was a strange one but thought lucas did well when he came on.very tidy player

Aido82

21-10-2007, 08:46 PM

wickla_mucker

21-10-2007, 09:27 PM

hmmmm interesting reading on here.... a few dividing viewpoints.

personally, i was delighted to win - lucky or not but you gotta take the breaks as they come...

actually surprised that a reds fan would actually be disappointed with stevie reminding the ref that hibbert had to go.

as for the performance, i thought we were solid enough. lacked a little creativity in the first half (cannot wait for xabi to return)!! Sami was so unfortunate with the og.
was happy enough with the second half and created a lot of good opportunities. pity voronin had an off day. still think he shows more intelligence with his runs and play than kuyt.

as for the last minute pen call.... think it was but felt that lescott was too theatrical.

looking forward to the arsenal game - confidence should be up and with the torres and xabi back its looking good.

oh and highly rate lucas. has great composure and really gets around the pitch!

REDHEART

22-10-2007, 07:36 AM

remember we have two big games coming up this week maybe that was on rafas mind

mmmmmmmmmmm.is 1-1 in a derby when the opposition down to ten men not big enough.

callyno3

22-10-2007, 08:29 AM

All those tesco bags in the crowd were funny as f#ck :).
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=196671.0;attach=12 6213;image

stephenocall

22-10-2007, 08:30 AM

At the end of the day 3 points is 3 points.
we are still unbeaten in the league!
if we can manage two big results against besiktas and arsenal then our seasons back on track!

carragherisgod

22-10-2007, 08:37 AM

I can't understand all this negativity about the performance. I mean really. We got three points and didn't play very well. How is it when other title contenders don't play well and win it's a sign of a "winning" team. As I said, we didn't play to our best but we still got three points (penalties or not it's still a win) so why all the negativity? We should be supporting our lads not ridiculing them. It's obvious we had our confidence hit for the last few games but I think this is just what we need to get back on track. As for Gerrard coming off, it's like what Andy Grey said in commentary, Rafa left the door wide open for major criticism by taking Gerrard off. I respect his decision to take him off. It was a gutsy move. I honestly can't think of any other manager that would have the nuts to do that in a derby game. We still won the game so power to you Rafa.

On a side note, I just loved Carras celebration. T'was great to see that kind of emotion from him after the torrid game he had last season. If anybody deserved to be on the winning side it was him (and Hyypia. He's getting to much negative press about his lack of pace for my liking).

Kopite

22-10-2007, 09:01 AM

No I am the same,we need a major improvement to even keep in touch at the top never mind win it outright.

Just take every game as it comes. 3 points was vital, 3 points is what we got. We will improve..

dougal

22-10-2007, 09:38 AM

oh and highly rate lucas. has great composure and really gets around the pitch!

Got to agree with you there - he plays the simple ball and also looks to have an eye for the killer pass.

I was gutted his shot didn't go in at the end - a last minute goal would have done wonders for his confidence and he could really start pushing for a place in the team.

fitzpatrickgary

22-10-2007, 09:57 AM

not a great preformance but if u said to me before the game we would win 2:1 against the blue noses in goodison i would have taken it .
at the end of the day the 3 points was the most important thing and thats wat we got

LOU2

22-10-2007, 10:15 AM

Think saturdays win was partly down to luck if they had of been given the penalty in the last minute of overtime we couldve drawn only but LUCKILY they didnt.
Still cant beleive momo was left on for so long he hasnt got the pace and half the time he messes up his passes, gerrad really seemed to be getting into the game just before rafa takes him off.
We gotta start playing alot better up front, we couldnt finish things off really missed torres hes always right in the middle for crosses and corners. fingers crossed all are back and well for wed and esp for sunday.
All in all tho we got 3 points so happy days bout that :)

carragherisgod

22-10-2007, 10:19 AM

gerrad really seemed to be getting into the game just before rafa takes him off

True but let's be honest, we only saw more of Gerrard after the first red card.

LOU2

22-10-2007, 10:22 AM

True but let's be honest, we only saw more of Gerrard after the first red card.

agree with u totally it was like he suddenly really wanted to win the game, instead of getting a usual draw

carragherisgod

22-10-2007, 10:25 AM

Yarp. I thought he was very ordinary until the red card. This substitution might actually help his form in my opinion. If we can win a game of this magnitude without him he may think "wow, I really need to up my game after this". Again, I think it was a great move by Rafa.

reder

22-10-2007, 10:32 AM

gerrad really seemed to be getting into the game just before rafa takes him off.

I beg to differ. As always Andy Gray & Co. and even the beeb tried to stir-up the whole Gerrard substitution.

Fact is aside from being faster than Hibbert on one counter attack he did nothing besides give the ball away and unbalance the team by wandering around whereever he wanted.

Dub13

22-10-2007, 10:51 AM

I think its great that Rafa is not afraid to substituted any player at any time,a lot of lesser managers would not have even remotely considered making such a move.

Yoko

22-10-2007, 11:27 AM

If we can win a game of this magnitude without him he may think "wow, I really need to up my game after this". Again, I think it was a great move by Rafa.

Not the first time we've won the derby with himself off the pitch is it?

carragherisgod

22-10-2007, 11:37 AM

No it's not but what I'm saying is it might get him (Gerrard) thinking and we may finally see the best of him this season. It might be the kick up the backside he needs. He's not been up to his best at all this season.

Fish2

22-10-2007, 12:21 PM

If Liverpool are going to win the title, they will need some luck along the way. Should never had got to that late to score a winner and shouldn't have needed to have an extra man either. Should have been one up from the 4th minute. Creating plenty of chances but not taken them. I don't know the stats but reckon have a low percentage of genuine chances converted.

Gerry

22-10-2007, 12:43 PM

I see the bitters are starting a petition about the ref on saturday
http://clattenburg.epetitions.net/

I dont recall them doing that last season after cahills two blatant fouls for thier goals , maybe i just didnt see that petition !!!!

Malzheimer

22-10-2007, 03:57 PM

What a win. These are the games we have to come away with 3 points to become serious challengers. Rafa is an abolute genious. He had me swearing blindly when he took off Stevie, I couldn't understand it for the life of me. But now in hindsight it was the right move as it balanced the team more and took maximum advantage of having the extra man, by stretching Everton with our passing from wing to wing. That's why he's the top manager in the world he has a total football brain and is so quick to spot things like this.

As for the ref whats the point in getting involved in these debates any more, over the course of the season it evens itself out, they are only human. Swings and roundabous

Bring on Besitkas and Gunners

vodkacolly

23-10-2007, 02:58 PM

Was anyone else a bit dissapointed at Gerrard going down like a sack of spuds at the slightest of touches instead of smashing the ball into the back of the net? He did the exact same thing in Istanbul and it annoyed me to see him do it again. Surely he should have the confidence to go for goal and uphold his legendary status instead of bottling it, looking for a penalty and letting someone else take it. On Saturday he tried and succeded to get Hibbert sent off and I can never condone a player doing this. Hibbert barely tugged his shirt (hardly what you would call 'denying a goalscoring chance') and Stevie dropped to the floor just like Drogba, Ronaldo and the rest of those muppets would do. I would have loved to see him blast the ball home after that run and prove his class. Instead he looked for the easy way out and looked like just another prem player.

Yoko

23-10-2007, 03:09 PM

he clipped his heels

carragherisgod

23-10-2007, 03:18 PM

Was anyone else a bit dissapointed at Gerrard going down like a sack of spuds

Nope.

Would you rather we lost one nil ans was the score at the time?

And it WAS a penalty (well, not really as it all started outside the box in my opinion). He was clipped as well as getting his shirt tugged.

By the by, the ref won't be reffing a game this weekend after that performance. Bless him. He deserves a weekend off :cool:

Liverpool-law

23-10-2007, 04:07 PM

It was definitely a penalty. Stevie G was going full tilt and Hibbert didn't clip his heels, he put his knee into Gerrard's thigh which is a defender's trick and a professional foul. He knew exactly what he was doing and should've been sent off.

At the time when Gerrard was substituted I was going nuts too, but not because I think Gerrard has a divine right to stay on the pitch but because we were a man up and we left two defensive midfielders on the pitch. He could still have brought Lucas on without taking Gerrard off. But we got the result which is the main thing. ;)

carragherisgod

23-10-2007, 04:48 PM

flashm

23-10-2007, 05:35 PM

Nope.

By the by, the ref won't be reffing a game this weekend after that performance. Bless him. He deserves a weekend off :cool:

apparently clattenburg was never going to ref this weekend as he had booked a holiday....

Paul

24-10-2007, 04:18 PM